austins23
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The Chiefs Oline has THREE rookies starting. Mahomes is gonna have to do lots of improvising the rest of the season.
Having said that Mahomes tries to do too much a lot of the time.
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Having said that Mahomes tries to do too much a lot of the time.
I never wished for him to fail. What I said, was you cant win a SB with his style of play. I was hoping he would be able to learn and change his style of play. Fat chance of that dumbazz doing that, so I'm glad he's gone.
I never wish for anybody to get injured. If the dumbazz wasn't going to change his style of play BOB should've let him do his thing and when he got hurt so be it. BOB spent way too much time trying to develop this POS in a guy that could read defenses and play the QB position the way championship QB's play the position. For this rightfully BOB paid with his job. He put all of his chips in the Sexual Predators basket and paid the price for that decision.
Lately this has been the case. Although he only made 1 really bad throw yesterday.
sandman
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Everyone knows Steel hates DW4. Always has since Day 1. And that's cool. Everyone gets their opinions and their heroes/heels to root for/against. I don't know that he ever openly rooted against Watson, but he definitely has never supported him other than to say he wanted the Texans to win ergo Watson had to win. And he has been outspoken in his critiques of Watson that he defends with other QB's, namely Mahomes. The sexual assault allegations and trade demands solidified his opinions on who he thought Watson was as a QB and has basically been crowing about it for the last 6 months. So yeah... pot/kettle.
sandman
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And yet, Mahomes went to two straight SB's with the same style of play.
What was the difference? Coaching and being surrounded by talent.
You can't have an issue with Watson's style of play and continue to defend Mahomes and call him great.
Mahomes and the Pervert have nowhere near the same style of play. Look at yesterday's game and tell me how many deep shots Mahomes threw? (BTW, I'm not against looking for the deep throws. I'm against that being the staple of the offense.) How many sustained drives did the Chiefs have vs deep throws and compare that to the Perverts brand of ball.
Simply put Mahomes is not only more talented but the much smarter QB and trying to compare the 2 QB's games is laughable.
Mahomes and the Pervert's games really aren't all that similar.
Pointing out the truth is now crowing in your eyes.
The truth is the truth, his on field play style carried over to his personal life. This is something you will never have to worry about with Mahomes. BTW, are you saying the Pervert would play in 2 SB's and 1 AFCCG (Losing in overtime, when he didn't have a chance to get the ball) in his 1st three yrs as a starter in the league? Because if that's what you're trying to say, then that's homerism at its finest.
sandman
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Mahomes this season has sure looked a lot like the Watson you say can't be a winner. I wonder what the difference could be...
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I've never stated that they were equally talented. Having the same style doesn't mean they have the same talent. I think Mahomes is more talented than Watson, but it isn't the chasm of difference you make it out to be. You are quite possibly the only person on this MB who thinks that they don't have the same playing style.
So far their record is 1-2.
They lost on a CEH fumble in the last minute and played a very good Chargers team to almost a draw. Like Reid said, stop turning the ball over and that includes fumbles and tipped balls in addition to one bad throw Mahomes has made in each game. I'm think Mahomes cleans this up (as he has every season.) and the Chiefs will be SB contenders again. Problem is the Chargers and Chiefs are just as talented as the Chiefs, maybe even moreso on the defensive side of the ball.
The chasm has to do more with intelligence than talent. Even though the gap in talent is also wide. Better arm/throws with accuracy and anticipation/ better at reading defenses etc...
Did you go back and look at yesterday's game to see the contrast in the 2 QB's games and yesterday was far from one of Mahomes best games.
So we went from Mahomes was better to they're basically the same but Mahomes has more talent around him? This is true, but it's also true Mahomes has more athletic ability and has much more going on upstairs than the Pervert ever will have.
TexansBull
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Strong accusations.
Do you have a quote of him wanting Watson to get injured prior or post to the sexual assault allegations?
Saying Watson will fail based on his play is different than wanting him to fail.
I don’t care for Steel’s constant drumming on certain subjects, and have disagreed in the past, but let’s be fair to him if you are going to call him out as a guy who wants players injured.
Quote a post of his or correct yours.
Not a good look for you.
banned1976
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I wonder if the conversations between the powers that be in the Texans org re:Watson are as interesting and heated as the ones on this board? To be a fly on the wall...
TexansBull
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I hear that just as long as you don’t interrupt Cal while he is playing his video games or Easterby during his prayer sessions everyone gets along well.
OptimisticTexan
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I have no desire to see Mahomes fail. My point, to show you how even the finest NFL QB can be susceptible to certain failures if they don’t have a decent OL and running game. That doesn’t even take into consideration a bad HC and horrible offense.
After 12 years it’s nice to see what Mathew Stafford may be capable of doing in the NFL while playing with the right team.
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CloakNNNdagger
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The team reports that Reid is doing well, that hospitalization was just precautionary, and that he just suffered from some dehydration...............they are not sure if Reid will be coaching the next game.
If it were a matter of simple dehydration, there would be no question for Reid's availability for the next game.
sandman
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I've always been a Stafford fan. Texas kid. I'm a Ford guy. My stepdad grew up in Detroit. Always rooted for the Lions on Thanksgiving. They were my #2 team behind the Cowboys. Pissed that the Lions were wasting his career so extremely happy for him now.
Texansphan
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Yeah watched that game too. He has some nice weapons to throw to.
I'm happy for the man - it would be nice to see him win a ring - he has obvious talent.
So what do you think of the 8 games our defense gave up the lead with little or no time left on the clock?
People who have been here know what’s what.
Deep ball count, 2020.
Brady 83 attempts
Rodgers 72
Mahomes 66
Stafford 62
Herbert 61
Wilson 60
Watson 58
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So, who's playing hero ball?
Brady 83 attempts
Rodgers 72
Mahomes 66
Stafford 62
Herbert 61
Wilson 60
Watson 58
Who have been the best QBs at throwing long passes in 2020?
Which NFL quarterbacks are throwing them most often, connecting most often, and scoring touchdowns most often?
sportsinfosolutionsblog.com
So, who's playing hero ball?
Deep ball count, 2020.
Brady 83 attempts
Rodgers 72
Mahomes 66
Stafford 62
Herbert 61
Wilson 60
Watson 58
Who have been the best QBs at throwing long passes in 2020?
Which NFL quarterbacks are throwing them most often, connecting most often, and scoring touchdowns most often?
So, who's playing hero ball?
I don’t think throwing the deep ball is in itself the definition of hero ball.
But waiting on the deep ball completely ignoring the underneath throws.
That's where the "Time to throw" comes in.
Mahomes 2.89
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austins23
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Not trying to stir the pot or anything here…. Just legitimately curious….Deep ball count, 2020.
Brady 83 attempts
Rodgers 72
Mahomes 66
Stafford 62
Herbert 61
Wilson 60
Watson 58
Who have been the best QBs at throwing long passes in 2020?
Which NFL quarterbacks are throwing them most often, connecting most often, and scoring touchdowns most often?
So, who's playing hero ball?
Out of those “deep balls” how many of Brady’s, Rodgers, Staffords, and Herberts were from the pocket? Ie., designed deep shots.
TexansBull
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I think it's part of the perils of playing the all or nothing game.
Play the game this way and the defense is worn out by the end of the game.
We saw a little bit of this in the Packers/49ers game last night.
Quoted for truth
No flipping,
I've actually been quite consistent.
I dont think you can win a championship with the Perverts style of play.
You disagree, although I would like you to name a QB who's won with this style of play and no, Mahomes plays the game much differently than the Pervert does.
More like people will make stuff up and see what they want to see to fit their narrative.
Been here since 2006.
Exactly
You wont find a post that says I want him to get hurt. You also wont find a post that said I want him to fail. Although after these allegations you can bet your azz I want him to fail whether he's found guilty or not and if found guilty I want hiz azz to do atleast 5 yrs of QB play for the Mean Machine. Even though I doubt it, maybe that would humble his azz.
sandman
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So honest question here. If not Mahomes from a style perspective, who would you say his contemporaries are style-wise? Or maybe you can provide definitions of his style that you reference, because to me your argument that he and Mahomes play the game MUCH differently (your words) is basically arguing that the number 2.36 round up to 2.4 and the number 2.34 rounds down to 2.3
Most other than maybe Rodgers, he occasionally will roll out of the pocket and launch a deep throw. It's not a staple of what Rodgers does though.
This is just another case of making stats say what you want them to say. Something that 76 has perfected.
You don’t see any parallels to these kind of excuses?
I agree with you. It wasn’t Mahomes style of play that lost those two games. Likewise it is not on Watson the number of games the Texans lost last season.
Here you are trying to explain away what you said. We can argue the true meaning of what was said, but this is all the proof we need that you did say something.
I would say Rodgers and Mahomes play the game very similarly.
Dak and Mahomes
Maybe Allen and Mahomes
Out of the young guns I would say Herbert/Mahomes.
Pervert/Murray play alot alike.
I said what I said in my post. I dont need to explain away anything. It's all there for all to read.
You're trying to twist my words around (Unsuccessfully) to fit a narrative.
If you can find those posts that say I wanted him to get injured/fail I would like to see them. (You wont find them.)
CloakNNNdagger
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Now the report is that he will be back in the next day or two.
Mahomes bad int contributed greatly to the Ravens loss. So yes he was a big part of the reason they lost but not the only reason they lost. Just like with the Pervert last yr. Success/Failure isn't all on one player, although the QB play is the greatest determining factor in W/L's in today's NFL.
TexansBull
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sandman
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Let me be more clear. Who does Watson play like, not who does Mahomes play like.
Any coincidence that the one comparison you make for Watson is the QB that now throws to DHop? The same DHop that you have continually referred to as Clemson trash?
Hard to be objective and not see a bias in some of your posts, but willing to listen to what are the ways you think they have similar to play to each other, but not to any of the other QB's you listed above. Because if Mahomes and Watson have much different styles, then Watson would have a much different style than Rodgers and Dak and Allen and Herbert. I'm genuinely curious here.
Murray/Pervert due to them both playing in gimmick offenses although Murray has a stronger arm and is much faster than the Pervert. Another guy that plays like the Pervert is Wilson. Runs around and makes plays out of the pocket just like the Pervert does. Why? because he's short and does this so he can see the field. (Kinda like Murray) Difference is Wilson is much more accurate with his ball placement and anticipation than the Pervert will ever be.
Mr teX
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lol, you make zero sense & it’s clear you have absolutely nothing to back up your b.s. logic. Mahomes dropped in the draft due to his hero ball, gunslinger way of playing qb…& that says a lot b/c he went top 10. The way he and DW4 play which is aggressive down field passing is identical. Mahomes just had more arm talent and talent in general around him to get away with what DW4 couldn’t last year.
But since you asked of qbs who play similarly and have won:
Mahomes
Big Ben
Favre
All these guys held and held onto the ball waiting for the big play to open up downfield. Hell There’s all kinds of video and audio of Holmgren getting in Favre’s ass b/c he liked to do that. You have effectively lost all credibility on the subject and you need to just stop dude, you sound really stupid at this point.
sandman
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Have you even watched a Chiefs game over the last three years? Andy Reid does not design a game plan that involves running around and making plays outside of the pocket, they have had a very good O-line, and yet there is Mahomes... running around and making plays outside the pocket.
I'm going to bow out of this particular conversation now because it is clear you have your own truths and they are immutable.
austins23
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You bring the beer, I’ll smoke the ribs!I've no idea.
Maybe we can watch the weekly highlight of each game?
Are you game?
badboy
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NnnOOOOO!!! ARGGGHI've no idea.
Maybe we can watch the weekly highlight of each game?
Are you game?
Sorry just a reaction..
badboy
Hall of Fame
Then both you and Mr OBeen here since 2006.
Know what TK means..
badboy
Hall of Fame
Not going to look for it but thought you had said exactly that then later apologized saying you were caught up in the moment..
You're right Mahomes can get away with this because he has a greater talent level. But if you really look at his game he runs as a last resort 4-5 times a game. Your Pervert doesn't play this way.
Ben and Favre style is not comparable to your Perverts and you know this.
BTW, Your Pervert and Favre have 3 things in common, they're both dumb as a box of rocks and both are Perverts at best. Favre had talent enough to win multiple SB's but he wouldn't change his playing style either.
I think we all know what Big Ben and Your Pervert have in common. Can you buy a vowel S-xu-l Pr-d-tors.
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