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Lucky said:
How is “all objectivity “ out the door? Mills has only one season as a starting QB and multiple injuries in his career. Those are objective reasons. Personally, I think I saw enough in that limited amount to take the risk. But there are legitimate reasons to not like the pick.
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He’s not being objective because he doesn’t like the young man. My thing is you have to at least give the kid a shot first. That shot hopefully won’t be here until 2022. Right now let him sit and learn. And it’s ok to dislike whatever pick, but at least talk about both sides of the coin verses only keying on the part that fits your agenda.
 
Texansballer74 said:
You and I very well know some games the opposing defense will not get any pressure. We’ve seen that pretty much all of last season with our very own Texans defense. So why are we nitpicking or cherry picking one aspect. If you don’t like the kid just say so.
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Give the guy a chance. Sheesh.
 
Dejaview said:
What happened to Mahomes‘ play making skills in the SB? Thought your idea of a playmaker was being able to overcome critical situations. Einstein? Oh you said studying in college was about finding answers for yourself. the Texans play maker wasn’t studying at all it seems. My reference to a 40+ Brady was a subtle reference to his age and still winning the SB. seems like his type is more successful than those that try to run themselves out of tight situations. I guess to me a play maker is a quick read, intelligent QB that can run an offense, knows how to quickly get the ball out of his hands while seeing the whole field. It’s also being smart enough to execute this prototype without falling back on the physical ability to run away...which could be called controlled panic. I’m really interested in seeing what Kelly, Pep and Culley do with our QB’s. Taylor recently said he loves this O because it allows him to get the ball out of his hands quickly. He will use all of his O tools on the field, not just one slow opening WR.
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Brady is both the playmaker and experienced savant extraordinaire.
 
Texansballer74 said:
He’s not being objective because he doesn’t like the young man. My thing is you have to at least give the kid a shot first. That shot hopefully won’t be here until 2022. Right now let him sit and learn. And it’s ok to dislike whatever pick, but at least talk about both sides of the coin verses only keying on the part that fits your agenda.
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You really need to go back and reread all of my posts.
 
76Texan said:
There are plenty of scouting reports on Mills as well as a number of videos from football coaches dissecting his plays.
How's that for objectivity?
Heck, isn't the fact that he was the 8th QB drafted enough to tell that he's a project, not a great prospect.

And I had stated many times that he's a very good prospect for the third round.

But I don't even want good Tannehill or good Schaub.
I want more.
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Where he was drafted has no true bearing at all. I can name players in which the media and their fan base was bitter about a certain pick. That particular team indeed up winning the SB. That particular player was darn good for them.

I can also post video clips of some the media heads loving the pick as well as saying Mills would’ve went in top 10 in next years draft. So what I’m getting here is it lines up with your take, it golden. But if it doesn’t, you’re not posting those type of clips.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Where he was drafted has no true bearing at all. I can name players in which the media and their fan base was bitter about a certain pick. That particular team indeed up winning the SB. That particular player was darn good for them.

I can also post video clips of some the media heads loving the pick as well as saying Mills would’ve went in top 10 in next years draft. So what I’m getting here is it lines up with your take, it golden. But if it doesn’t, you’re not posting those type of clips.
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I'm not talking about media heads.

Oh yes, where he's drafted does bear meaning.

There's no rag to rich stories in modern day NFL QBacking.
 
Texansballer74 said:
And Mills showed he can be a play maker in college (small sample size). Didn't watch none of his high school games but I'm sure plenty of colleges wanted him because of the things he was able to do. In high school the kid threw for 6290, 66 Touchdowns and only 10 interceptions . He also ran for 23 touchdowns, 898 rushing yards on 172 carries with 1 fumble. These stats shows he was a play maker in high school.
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OMG!! Are we seriously bringing up HIGH SCHOOL stats again to justify this dude??? That is so freaking weak.
 
76Texan said:
I'm not talking about media heads.

Oh yes, where he's drafted does bear meaning.

There's no rag to rich stories in modern day NFL QBacking.
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And I CAN POST SOME MEDIA HEADS WHO SPOKE HIGHLY OF THE YOUNG MAN.

Russell Wilson was drafted where and behind who good sir?
 
Texansballer74 said:
It’s very clear that 76 doesn’t like this youngster for whatever reason. Therefore there’s nothing to talk about because objectivity is out the door.
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He should atleast give Mills a couple of yrs before making a judgement.

That's what I did with the pervert. In fact I waited until the middle of yr 3.
 
Speedy said:
OMG!! Are we seriously bringing up HIGH SCHOOL stats again to justify this dude??? That is so freaking weak.
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I actually like the mills pick as a hedge and I'm a fan of the team taking a shot. The highlights look mediocre to me but that's OK considering how little experience he had starting.

See a lot of throws where he drops the ball in a bucket over a db's shoulder. Looks good I guess but I suspect nfl dbs will be looking back more. Those tight windows you see him throwing into will be tighter in the nfl.

He's overconfident in his arm and he'll have trouble early with ints I think. I hope his Stanford pedigree means he's smart enough to evolve and learn the offense inside out.

I hate to pile on @Texansballer74 but High school stats are meaningless and serve no purpose.
 
Texansballer74 said:
And you would miss the point. And dude you brought up what Watson did in High F School. Shoots a lot of us did. So please stop the nonsense.
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Show me ONE time where I EVER brought up someone's high school. NEVER HAPPENED...dude. Get your shit straight.

And the nonsense is trying to make an argument for someone bringing up what they did in ******* high school. Seriously?? EVERYBODY in the NFL dominated in high school. Talk about nonsense. So how about YOU stop it. That'd be great. Thanks.
 
steelbtexan said:
He should atleast give Mills a couple of yrs before making a judgement.

That's what I did with the pervert. In fact I waited until the middle of yr 3.
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Did you? Did you really?

Lol. Dw was never Moses parting the sea but you didn't wait 3 1/2 years to say it.
 
Speedy said:
Show me ONE time where I EVER brought up someone's high school. NEVER HAPPENED...dude. Get your shit straight.

And the nonsense is trying to make an argument for someone bringing up what they did in ******* high school. Seriously?? EVERYBODY in the NFL dominated in high school. Talk about nonsense. So how about YOU stop it. That'd be great. Thanks.
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Typical response with a freaking attitude. Lol moving right along. You most definitely wasn’t saying this when Watson high school accomplishment were brought up.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Typical response with a freaking attitude. Lol moving right along. You most definitely wasn’t saying this when Watson high school accomplishment were brought up.
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Typical response from someone talking out of his ass with no ******* clue about anything. And again, either show me where I said anything about HS shit, or quit your damn lying about me.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Typical response with a freaking attitude. Lol moving right along. You most definitely wasn’t saying this when Watson high school accomplishment were brought up.
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Didn't read back far enough to see what's what.

Don't care.

Let's have a civil back and forth. With an open mind and some fact, maybe one of you can adjust your perspective? Or agree to disagree and part ways amicably?

(Me: hello pot this is the kettle)
 
powda said:
Didn't read back far enough to see what's what.

Don't care.

Let's have a civil back and forth. With an open mind and some fact, maybe one of you can adjust your perspective? Or agree to disagree and part ways amicably?

(Me: hello pot this is the kettle)
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Exactly but as you can see a certain someone has to take it to another level. I wasn’t even talking to that dude. I posted those stats saying the reason why Stanford recruited him because he was a play maker. 76 wants a play maker but won’t let the young man prove himself to be one on this level. I also posted videos of him making plays with both his arm and feet in COLLEGE.

But instead of actually reading the entire conversation, this dude only read high school stats and as you can see flipped out. Lol
 
Texansballer74 said:
Exactly but as you can see a certain someone has to take it to another level. I wasn’t even talking to that dude. I posted those stats saying the reason why Stanford recruited him because he was a play maker. 76 wants a play maker but won’t let the young man prove himself to be one on this level. I also posted videos of him making plays with both his arm and feet in COLLEGE.

But instead of actually reading the entire conversation, this dude only read high school stats and as you can see flipped out. Lol
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Often in a written format things get lost in translation. Most people wouldn’t speak to one another in person the way they do anonymously.

I think if you both take a step back and rehash you initial opinions it could help.

The ignore option should be last resort.

(Geez, when I'm the guy trying to mediate you just know ground zero is torched.)
 
Texansballer74 said:
And I CAN POST SOME MEDIA HEADS WHO SPOKE HIGHLY OF THE YOUNG MAN.

Russell Wilson was drafted where and behind who good sir?
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Russell Wilson was a playmaker in college.

Teams were concerned about his height back then.
After he proved them wrong, teams began not to overlook the shorter guys.
His draft slot would have been totally different today, especially now that rules make it harder for defenders to get to / hurt the QB.

At any rate, Wilson was already a proven play maker in college
 
76Texan said:
Russell Wilson was a playmaker in college.

Teams were concerned about his height back then.
After he proved them wrong, teams began not to overlook the shorter guys.
His draft slot would have been totally different today, especially now that rules make it harder for defenders to get to / hurt the QB.

At any rate, Wilson was already a proven play maker in college
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So you're making his argument for him.
 
texanswire.usatoday.com

Texans rookie QB Davis Mills says he has 'learned a lot so far'

Houston Texans rookie quarterback Davis Mills has acknowledged he has learned many things since joining the team in offseason workouts.
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I feel like I’ve done pretty well so far,” Mills said Saturday via Aaron Wilson of SportsTalk 790. “Obviously, it’s a new experience for me. Being in Houston, meeting all of the new teammates and coaches, I’ve definitely learned a lot so far. They’ve kind of thrown a lot at us pretty fast, so I’ve had to pick it up fast, at least what I could.”

He’s been doing a good job,” Taylor said on a Zoom call with Houston media on June 3. “Of course, all three quarterbacks, myself, Jeff Driskel and Davis, we’re all learning the system for the first time. I think each and every day, guys are doing a good job of just keeping the communication open and pushing each other on the field.”

We all kind of know this is the period where we’re all getting back into shape and really getting the feel of our teammates and route timing and the feel of the offense,” said Mills. “It’s been great so far.”
 
powda said:
Did you? Did you really?

Lol. Dw was never Moses parting the sea but you didn't wait 3 1/2 years to say it.
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I actually thought I was wrong his rookie season and had great hope. His 2nd season I took as an extended rookie season, but became worried about his all or nothing style of play. By the middle of yr 3 I knew you couldn't win a championship with the pervert.
 
Texansballer74 said:

The young man making plays with both his legs and arm on this highlight reel
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But does he throw from multiple arm angles? Effortlessly off his back foot? Or while laid out horizontally before his knee touches down?

I mean I’m sure Culley/Pep can develop a top 16 QB, but they have to have something to work with.
 
cuppacoffee said:
We'll see see if Belichik is great without Brady. I tend to doubt it.

Pretty sure the Patriots greatness plays in Tampa now.

:coffee:
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Again, Tom was/is great, no doubt. But a lot of the Patriot magic I remember was their defense taking away what the other team did best.

Not taking anything away from Brady. But Belichick not too shabby.
 
TheRealJoker said:
It’s been decades so people tend to forget but Brady started out as a “game manager” when he entered the league. It took him 7 seasons as a starter to break 30 td passes (the 16-0 regular season when he went from a career high 28 to 50) and he only had one 4000 yard season in that stretch.
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Do you think Belichick has enough time left to do it again?

I think he’s looking for short cuts, trying to find another Brady. Mac Jones, pfftt
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
Doug Flutie should have squashed concerns in regards to shorter Qb's.
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I don't think so.
www.nfl.com

Doug Flutie still flustered by discrimination against short QBs

Doug Flutie says the NFL is biased against short QBs, and he doesn't understand why. The ex-Pro Bowl pick hopes rookies Russell Wilson and Kellen Moore get a fair shake, Ian Rapoport writes.
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It doesn't help that he was 0-2 in the playoffs.
The first game was just bad.
The second game, hệ put up great numbers, but had 3 turnovers.
 
Texansballer74 said:
It’s very clear that 76 doesn’t like this youngster for whatever reason. Therefore there’s nothing to talk about because objectivity is out the door.
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Because there’s nothing special about him.

He refers to Matt Schaub as his comp, & right now, that’s about what I see. He is going to need play makers to win, since he is not one.

Not yet anyway.
 
76Texan said:
And I had stated many times that he's a very good prospect for the third round.

But I don't even want good Tannehill or good Schaub.
I want more.
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I agree on all the above. But, Schaub & Tannehill didn’t have to stop developing where they did. Tannehill is a product of a bad Miami team that didn’t know how to win... maybe didn’t want to win.

Schaub was just gutless.

I preferred they not take a QB at all in this draft. Taylor, Finley, Driskel would have served well enough IMO for the next couple of years.

But they did it. Hopefully, they work extremely hard to get him ready to be a game manager, & let him grow into something better than Schaub & Tannehill.
 
76Texan said:
I don't think so.
www.nfl.com

Doug Flutie still flustered by discrimination against short QBs

Doug Flutie says the NFL is biased against short QBs, and he doesn't understand why. The ex-Pro Bowl pick hopes rookies Russell Wilson and Kellen Moore get a fair shake, Ian Rapoport writes.
www.nfl.com www.nfl.com

It doesn't help that he was 0-2 in the playoffs.
The first game was just bad.
The second game, hệ put up great numbers, but had 3 turnovers.
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If you look at his total body of work he far exceeded any expectations or lack thereof throughout his whole career. He had a hard time getting a fair shake in the NFL due to his small stature.

Guest Post: Doug Flutie Was A Great Quarterback (footballperspective.com) <---Just one sports writers opinion but I think much of it is quite valid. I don't agree with where he places Flutie among the best Qb's in history but outside of that I think he makes some valid points.

Doug Flutie was good enough to disspell the negative opinions many so called experts had in regards to shorter Qb's. Shorter Qb's in pro football nowadays really do need to thank Doung Flutie. He far exceeded expectations at a time when it was really hard for shorter Qb's to gain acceptance. No Doug Flutie is not a member of the NFL Hall of Fame, nor will he ever be, but he was a trail blazer who made it possible for Russell Wilson and other smaller in stature Qb's to make a name for themselves in pro football.
 
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thunderkyss said:
But does he throw from multiple arm angles? Effortlessly off his back foot? Or while laid out horizontally before his knee touches down?

I mean I’m sure Culley/Pep can develop a top 16 QB, but they have to have something to work with.
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Yes I’ve seen him throw from multiple arm angles. As far as the rest only a few can do that.

They do have something to work with that’s why they drafted him.
 
I don't get the tone of the disagreement in regards to Davis Mills. I did not realize a kid who has yet to play one down in the NFL could be so polarizing. It seems to be more personal than it should be simply judging if he has any real potential or feeling he lacks it. So much seems to be known by so many about a kid that has not had a lot of experience or started very many games in college.

I know very little about the kid based on his body of work up to this point. What I do know is some people are saying the kid has some real potential. He may be lousy but nobody can swear to that and if they do they are wrong. If he ends up being avg or less than that, so be it.

However, I don't get the firey exchanges on this forum over him. You would think people know him personally and like or hate him based on that. Disagree if you will but whether he will be good or bad, none of us knows either way. Most QB's drafted are not anything special. Many highly touted Qb's coming out of college do not live up to their billing. Davis Mills is in the mix whether we want him to be or not. All I can say is give the kid a chance. If you don't like this kid for whatever reason that is fine but it just seems that the disagreements in regards to him seem to be getting too personal and it should not get to that point.
 
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TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
I don't get the tone of the disagreement in regards to Davis Mills. I did not realize a kid who has yet to play one down in the NFL could be so polarizing. It seems to be more personal than it should be simply judging if he has any real potential or feeling he lacks it. So much seems to be known by so many with a kid that has not had a lot of experience or started very many games in college.

I know very little about the kid based on his body of work up to this point. What I do know is some people are saying the kid has some real potential. He may be lousy but nobody can swear to that and if they do they are wrong. If he ends up being avg or less than that, so be it.

However, I don't get the firey exchanges on this forum over him. You would think people know him personally and like or hate him based on that. Disagree if you will but whether he will be good or bad, none of us knows either way. Most QB's drafted are not anything special. Many highly touted Qb's coming out of college do not live up to their billing. Davis Mills is in the mix whether we want him to be or not. All I can say is give the kid a chance. If you don't like this kid for whatever reason that is fine but it just seems that the disagreements in regards to him seem to be getting too personal and it should not get to that point.
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That’s all I’m saying is give the young man a chance verses saying he won’t be a good player because of where he was drafted. The small sample size I saw showed a kid with potential.
 
thunderkyss said:
Because there’s nothing special about him.

He refers to Matt Schaub as his comp, & right now, that’s about what I see. He is going to need play makers to win, since he is not one.

Not yet anyway.
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How fast is Mills compared to Schaub?

How strong is Mills are compared to Shaub?

The question is, is Mills going to be able to read defenses as well as Schaub and deliver passes as accurately with anticipation as Schaub did? If Mills can do this he will be a franchise QB. He's got much more arm strength and athleticism than Schaub ever had.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree on all the above. But, Schaub & Tannehill didn’t have to stop developing where they did. Tannehill is a product of a bad Miami team that didn’t know how to win... maybe didn’t want to win.

Schaub was just gutless.

I preferred they not take a QB at all in this draft. Taylor, Finley, Driskel would have served well enough IMO for the next couple of years.

But they did it. Hopefully, they work extremely hard to get him ready to be a game manager, & let him grow into something better than Schaub & Tannehill.
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For the record Tannehill is pretty darn good.

You will see this yr with Julio and AJ.
 
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