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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

This is why we are looking at a civil case currently and not criminal. Also, the case filed with HPD has not yet been linked to the other cases. It is still unknown if it is a different case or tied to the civil case.

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Additionally, the burden of proof also is lower in a civil court than in a criminal prosecution. Civilly, the victims have to show only a preponderance of evidence, but in criminal cases, authorities have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the assault happened.

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It’s unknown whether the complainant is one of the 21 plaintiffs who have sued Watson in civil court. Watson’s lawyer, Rusty Hardin, chided Buzbee on Thursday for his position that evidence won’t be provided to the Houston Police Department, based on concerns of bias relating to Buzbee and to Hardin.
 
SnakeEyes said:
This is why we are looking at a civil case currently and not criminal.
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Dude... if you're going to read this board, please read the board & stop posting the same drivel like it's something new. The "reasons" you've extracted have already been debated in this thread.

Don't get me wrong. I love your enthusiasm & desire to contribute. But if you're reading this thread, even casually, you'll know we know what you're presenting as new.

& if you have no desire to read what we've written & discuss our opinions, just stop. Stop posting repetitive junk.
 
SnakeEyes said:
This is why we are looking at a civil case currently and not criminal. Also, the case filed with HPD has not yet been linked to the other cases. It is still unknown if it is a different case or tied to the civil case.

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Additionally, the burden of proof also is lower in a civil court than in a criminal prosecution. Civilly, the victims have to show only a preponderance of evidence, but in criminal cases, authorities have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the assault happened.

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It’s unknown whether the complainant is one of the 21 plaintiffs who have sued Watson in civil court. Watson’s lawyer, Rusty Hardin, chided Buzbee on Thursday for his position that evidence won’t be provided to the Houston Police Department, based on concerns of bias relating to Buzbee and to Hardin.
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Those articles are from April 2 and April 1.
 
Thorsson said:
The Chiefs cut their star running back, Kareem Hunt, immediately for kicking a girl. I just don't see the Texans cutting Watson until this matter is settled. They can trade him, but who would want him until after the two dozen cases are settled?
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The Browns signed Hunt just a couple of months after he'd been cut. I have no doubt at all that at least one team will want Watson and will work a deal after the dust settles.

Winning games seems to cause memory loss by fans.
 
thunderkyss said:
Dude... if you're going to read this board, please read the board & stop posting the same drivel like it's something new. The "reasons" you've extracted have already been debated in this thread.

Don't get me wrong. I love your enthusiasm & desire to contribute. But if you're reading this thread, even casually, you'll know we know what you're presenting as new.

& if you have no desire to read what we've written & discuss our opinions, just stop. Stop posting repetitive junk.
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On that note, all of this has to be driving down his trade value, right?
 
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SnakeEyes said:
Things are getting worse...as if they weren't bad enough. You have some normal fans tossing hate at both Watson and the woman who is accusing him. Then you have a chance of one or more of them being legit crazy people who may harm either of them. Even if Watson settled today he may well have set himself up to leave town for safety. As for the accusing party, I hope she has some type of protection. Crazy people do crazy things. With no true way to know if any threat is more than just that...she has the right to some form of protection.
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What percentage of threats made online, through social media etc... do you think are actually played out? My guess is somewhere below .00001 percent.
 
ColeThornton said:
What percentage of threats made online, through social media etc... do you think are actually played out? My guess is somewhere below .00001 percent.
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Even if the number is that low, that's .00001 percent too much if it happens at all. Social media outlets are all the rage censoring political views. Anybody know what they do in regards to death threats?
 
maverick512000 said:
You're mostly right, personally I don't think the DA will take it to the grand jury because I don't think the DA will want the political storm that this case would be. The grand jury is basically just a chance for the DA to do a trial run with how strong their case is. The defense is even there and has no chance to speak so the prosecution can present their case and evidence to a grand jury without any counter. The grand jury afterwards can either recommend pursuing the case or not but it doesn't determine any guilt or innocence. It just lets the DA take a few practice swings and see if they could get a jury to buy what they are selling and if its even worth making the sales pitch.
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Unless it's changed since I was on a grand jury, the DA doesn't have a choice as to whether or not it goes to a grand jury. Every person with felony charges has their case brought before a grand jury. The grand jury is a protection for the accused, not a vehicle to accuse people. You are right they can not be found guilty, they would be indicted and sent on for trial if the grand jury felt the charges were warranted. The grand jury can however no bill the person and while it is not a declaration of innocence it might as well be. It means the grand jury has decided the charges were not warranted to begin with and the charges are dropped. On rare occasions a DA could go to a different grand jury if they didn't get what they wanted but that never happened with the hundreds of cases I was involved with. It is not accurate to say the defense is there. The accused can request to address the grand jury but they have to do it alone without council. We had less than 2% request to address us and all of them were welcomed. The judge whose grand jury I served on summed up our purpose as an important step to protect the innocent from unwarrarted prosecution.
 
Speedy said:
Even if the number is that low, that's .00001 percent too much if it happens at all. Social media outlets are all the rage censoring political views. Anybody know what they do in regards to death threats?
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I would hope anyone making a threat on any forum would be banned permanently. I just think these kind of threats should be taken for what they are. You reach a point where if you worry about everything you can never leave the house.
 
Dejaview said:
Physically, not mentally.
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I feel sorry for someone who is mentally damaged by anything they read online. I think most people are strong enough and intelligent enough to realize what kind of drivel is out there and know it is no reflection on them. Of course the "mental" damages is exactly where the big bucks will be in this case.
 
ColeThornton said:
Unless it's changed since I was on a grand jury, the DA doesn't have a choice as to whether or not it goes to a grand jury. Every person with felony charges has their case brought before a grand jury. The grand jury is a protection for the accused, not a vehicle to accuse people. You are right they can not be found guilty, they would be indicted and sent on for trial if the grand jury felt the charges were warranted. The grand jury can however no bill the person and while it is not a declaration of innocence it might as well be. It means the grand jury has decided the charges were not warranted to begin with and the charges are dropped. On rare occasions a DA could go to a different grand jury if they didn't get what they wanted but that never happened with the hundreds of cases I was involved with. It is not accurate to say the defense is there. The accused can request to address the grand jury but they have to do it alone without council. We had less than 2% request to address us and all of them were welcomed. The judge whose grand jury I served on summed up our purpose as an important step to protect the innocent from unwarrarted prosecution.
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First mistake, this is not a felony. It could become a felony since he crossed state lines but as of right now any criminal charges would be state of Texas.

www.dallasjustice.com

Grand Jury Proceedings in Texas: Indictment and Defense - Dallas Justice Blog

Grand Jury Proceedings in Texas: Indictment and Defense - Dallas Justice
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ColeThornton said:
I feel sorry for someone who is mentally damaged by anything they read online. I think most people are strong enough and intelligent enough to realize what kind of drivel is out there and know it is no reflection on them. Of course the "mental" damages is exactly where the big bucks will be in this case.
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Someone posts that they are going to kill you and your family and then post your address and maybe even your kids school, both very easy to get, are you saying it wouldn’t make you jumpy even if logically you know it’s most likely an Internet tough guy?
 
maverick512000 said:
First mistake, this is not a felony. It could become a felony since he crossed state lines but as of right now any criminal charges would be state of Texas.

www.dallasjustice.com

Grand Jury Proceedings in Texas: Indictment and Defense - Dallas Justice Blog

Grand Jury Proceedings in Texas: Indictment and Defense - Dallas Justice
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Well if it's not a felony issue the grand jury isn't involved to begin with, the DA doesn't take lesser charges to the grand jury.
 
maverick512000 said:
Someone posts that they are going to kill you and your family and then post your address and maybe even your kids school, both very easy to get, are you saying it wouldn’t make you jumpy even if logically you know it’s most likely an Internet tough guy?
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Unfortunately doxing is a common tool for these low lifes. The main point I would make is that if they can ruin your life with the post itself, that is exactly what they want. Unfortunately its the world we live in now and in my opionion it's better to continue to live your life instead of giving them what they want. I'm not trying to make it sound easy, it's got to be rough on a lot of people. I wish more was done to track down these creeps.
 
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I would hope anyone making a threat on any forum would be banned permanently. I just think these kind of threats should be taken for what they are. You reach a point where if you worry about everything you can never leave the house.
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You take them for what they are? What is that exactly? A threat is a threat.

I don't know what kind of threats these women are getting, or Watson for that matter, or what platform is being used to make those threats, but as far as message boards are concerned, I've been apart of one that went full blown nuclear meltdown before, where the moderators/admins not only allowed it to happen, they took part in it and were basically the reason for the meltdown. Home addresses were found and posted all over, jobs were lost because posters contacted employers informing them of the sick things they were posting on company time, people frightened that their home addresses were being made public, so much so I know of a guy who up and moved himself and his family because of it.

So, I don't know what it is you take it for, and yeah, I understand the likelihood of something actually happening is probably quite low, but again, a threat is a threat. Now, I don't believe there were ever death threats in the meltdown I just talked about. If so, I never heard about any. But a lot of **** still happened there that you wouldn't believe came from people just like here, talking sports on a message board. And this was 18 years ago or so. The social media we've had since then has stripped people's compasses completely. People used to hide in anonymity in chatrooms and such 20 years ago and say things they'd never say to you in public. After 2 decades of talking like that, it's starting to spill over into the real world. There's just zero care or accountability any more. This world is full of sick useless fucks stealing air from the rest of us, and all social media has done, is show us that truth.

So yeah, if somebody threatens me, I probably don't think too much of it, but I'm not doing anything to anybody. I don't have a lawsuit going on. If I did, maybe I take it a little more seriously. And with the way fans are so stupid about their teams and players, I don't blame these women at all for being concerned, if not fearful, for any kind of threats they're getting.
 
Speedy said:
You take them for what they are? What is that exactly? A threat is a threat.

I don't know what kind of threats these women are getting, or Watson for that matter, or what platform is being used to make those threats, but as far as message boards are concerned, I've been apart of one that went full blown nuclear meltdown before, where the moderators/admins not only allowed it to happen, they took part in it and were basically the reason for the meltdown. Home addresses were found and posted all over, jobs were lost because posters contacted employers informing them of the sick things they were posting on company time, people frightened that their home addresses were being made public, so much so I know of a guy who up and moved himself and his family because of it.

So, I don't know what it is you take it for, and yeah, I understand the likelihood of something actually happening is probably quite low, but again, a threat is a threat. Now, I don't believe there were ever death threats in the meltdown I just talked about. If so, I never heard about any. But a lot of **** still happened there that you wouldn't believe came from people just like here, talking sports on a message board. And this was 18 years ago or so. The social media we've had since then has stripped people's compasses completely. People used to hide in anonymity in chatrooms and such 20 years ago and say things they'd never say to you in public. After 2 decades of talking like that, it's starting to spill over into the real world. There's just zero care or accountability any more. This world is full of sick useless fucks stealing air from the rest of us, and all social media has done, is show us that truth.

So yeah, if somebody threatens me, I probably don't think too much of it, but I'm not doing anything to anybody. I don't have a lawsuit going on. If I did, maybe I take it a little more seriously. And with the way fans are so stupid about their teams and players, I don't blame these women at all for being concerned, if not fearful, for any kind of threats they're getting.
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Speaking only of this MB I do not understand why so much anger develops and personal attacks occur. Disagreement is interpreted as a kick to the crotch. Ego may be part of DW's makeup but same can be said of some here also.
 
Speedy said:
The social media we've had since then has stripped people's compasses completely. People used to hide in anonymity in chatrooms and such 20 years ago and say things they'd never say to you in public. After 2 decades of talking like that, it's starting to spill over into the real world. There's just zero care or accountability any more. This world is full of sick useless fucks stealing air from the rest of us, and all social media has done, is show us that truth.
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I'm sure there are cases that fall into the small percentage. But you're right about the world we live in so what can you do? I just think these threats have become so ubiquitous it would be like not going anywhere because you might be in an auto accident. I guarantee there are thousands of more auto accidents than people following through on online threats yet people understand the odds. I just think they should understand the chances of these threats ever coming to fruition too and live their lives accordingly. These jerks main goal is to scare people and I want the victims to know the reality of the chances to help them.
 
ColeThornton said:
I feel sorry for someone who is mentally damaged by anything they read online. I think most people are strong enough and intelligent enough to realize what kind of drivel is out there and know it is no reflection on them. Of course the "mental" damages is exactly where the big bucks will be in this case.
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actually I was referring to mental anguish after receiving a death threat. If you received a death threat wouldn’t you take precautions and worry about that person you thought was looking at you funny? bTW I believe a death threat IS a reflection on a person and their actions.
 
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Speaking only of this MB I do not understand why so much anger develops and personal attacks occur. Disagreement is interpreted as a kick to the crotch. Ego may be part of DW's makeup but same can be said of some here also.
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I agree with you. I'm always amazed how quickly things are escalate on message boards.
 
Dejaview said:
actually I was referring to mental anguish after receiving a death threat. If you received a death threat wouldn’t you take precautions and worry about that person you thought was looking at you funny? bTW I believe a death threat IS a reflection on a person and their actions.
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My comment was it was not a reflection on the victim of course, it says everything about the person making the threat.
 
ColeThornton said:
I'm sure there are cases that fall into the small percentage. But you're right about the world we live in so what can you do? I just think these threats have become so ubiquitous it would be like not going anywhere because you might be in an auto accident. I guarantee there are thousands of more auto accidents than people following through on online threats yet people understand the odds. I just think they should understand the chances of these threats ever coming to fruition too and live their lives accordingly. These jerks main goal is to scare people and I want the victims to know the reality of the chances to help them.
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Understood, but like I said, if somebody made a threat to you right now on my behalf, you likely think nothing of it. There's no history there. Neither one of us has done anything to the other. But if I was this awesome nightclub entertainer and you were suing me which would threaten my nightclub career, and then someone who worships my awesomeness who might not ever get to see me again, threatens you on my behalf, then you probably think a little differently, yes? You aren't locking yourself up in a basement by any means, but you're keeping an eye on that car behind you all of a sudden. Pumping gas wondering if that's the same guy you saw at the restaurant you just came from.

And of course there's more auto accidents than death threats carried out. That's really apples and oranges. Tell me how many death threats are made vs. how many are carried out. That would be more applicable. A lot of murders in this world so don't discount that threats weren't made there.
 
Speedy said:
Understood, but like I said, if somebody made a threat to you right now on my behalf, you likely think nothing of it. There's no history there. Neither one of us has done anything to the other. But if I was this awesome nightclub entertainer and you were suing me which would threaten my nightclub career, and then someone who worships my awesomeness who might not ever get to see me again, threatens you on my behalf, then you probably think a little differently, yes? You aren't locking yourself up in a basement by any means, but you're keeping an eye on that car behind you all of a sudden. Pumping gas wondering if that's the same guy you saw at the restaurant you just came from.

And of course there's more auto accidents than death threats carried out. That's really apples and oranges. Tell me how many death threats are made vs. how many are carried out. That would be more applicable. A lot of murders in this world so don't discount that threats weren't made there.
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I posted earlier in this thread that the envelope left on your porch with a threat is much more dangerous than something online. This has not been about face to face threats that led to murders so I will discount those as that has not been what we were discussing. The auto accident example is merely to put into perspective the danger involved in any event. Some won't go swimming because of sharks. You point out good examples of instances that up the odds, but I still think they are very low from an annonymous poster online, even when celebrities are concerned. Everyone can decide for themselves how much concern to have for different issues. If someone threatened me online I would be much less concerned than if I opened my mailbox and saw a letter with the return address IRS, and that would be before I even opened it.
 
ColeThornton said:
I posted earlier in this thread that the envelope left on your porch with a threat is much more dangerous than something online. This has not been about face to face threats that led to murders so I will discount those as that has not been what we were discussing. The auto accident example is merely to put into perspective the danger involved in any event. Some won't go swimming because of sharks. You point out good examples of instances that up the odds, but I still think they are very low from an annonymous poster online, even when celebrities are concerned. Everyone can decide for themselves how much concern to have for different issues. If someone threatened me online I would be much less concerned than if I opened my mailbox and saw a letter with the return address IRS, and that would be before I even opened it.
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That’s what I mean. When it becomes a point where you know somebody has your address, then it gets your attention. In my post about that nuclear MB, people were actually finding out people’s real names, finding their addresses, where they worked, and posting that info on the board. When it gets there, there’s got to be some concern.

JoeBlow84581 just shooting his mouth off somewhere, no, you probably don’t have to worry about that. But when he lets you know some info he’s got on you, an address, your real name, what kind of car you drive, now we might have a much more serious problem.

And it really doesn’t take much to get people to willingly give up some of that information. A thread about what kind of car you drive seems innocent enough, but now you’ve willingly put that out there. Going to the ballgame tonight, sitting in the Crawford Boxes. Yeah I get my smokes at that cigar store all the time. Well that must be you at the cigar store because you’re getting into the car you told everybody you drive. Now all JoeBlow has to do is follow you. And just that easily, he knows where you live or work. And it’s all info you’re freely giving away.

In the case of these women in the Watson case, they’re running a business, and once their names are made public, it’s not hard to find out about them. And if you are getting a death threat, you just never know in that instance.
 
ColeThornton said:
I feel sorry for someone who is mentally damaged by anything they read online. I think most people are strong enough and intelligent enough to realize what kind of drivel is out there and know it is no reflection on them. Of course the "mental" damages is exactly where the big bucks will be in this case.
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I'm sorry, but it becomes much different when they know the name and addresses of those they threaten online..................when one side is anonymous, hidden behind a keyboard........... and the other fully exposed to that one sociopath that just may choose to temporarily leave the sanctity of his refuge, hoping to remain anonymous while acting out his psychopathy.
 
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A lot of women too. Quite a few that I know says it's a money grab.
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1 or 2 is a money grab.

With this number of women and the number of others DW's lawyer brought forward, DW has a serious problem.

Most people with money will hire a personal masseuse, just like a personal trainer. Find one you like and put on your staff.
Trolling through Instagram for one, two, three or 40 signifies a problem. He is a good looking guy with lots of money, there are lots of women who would give him what he wants, why is he going through the fabrication of looking for a massage?

He needs to be suspended - indefinitely, new contract voided, and put on the commissioner's exempt list - indefinitely. I hope he never plays another game for the Texans or any other NFL team. Sexual assault needs to be taken seriously.

Side note - think this should have happened to Big Ben also. Just because a guy is above average in atheletic abilities, should not mean that we just brush this kind of behavior under the table and forget what has happened because he is a "franchise QB".
 
Houston Chronicle finds errors on both sides of Deshaun Watson cases
April 16, 2021, 7:23 PM EDT

The 22 lawsuits against Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson eventually will play out in a court of law. For now, the cases have been playing out in the court of public opinion. The Houston Chronicle has found that the effort to win hearts and minds of the average person has resulted in mistakes, on both sides.

As it relates to the statements of support from 18 massage therapists, the Chronicle determined: “Names were spelled incorrectly. Licenses couldn’t be found for some. At least one woman’s massage therapy license has been expired since before Watson graduated from college. Giving a massage without a license is a misdemeanor in Georgia, where this woman works.”

The Chronicle attempted to contact all 18 woman. In most cases, the Chronicle was unsuccessful. (One of them, Jasmine Brooks, spoke at length last week to KHOU-11.)

Mistakes also have occurred on behalf of the 22 plaintiffs. Per the Chronicle, attorney Tony Buzbee “misspelled the name of an esthetician who worked with Watson in November 2020.” The Chronicle also couldn’t find evidence of a massage therapy license for a woman who claimed to be licensed.

These issues most likely will have no relevance to the merits of the cases or Watson’s defense in court. As the jurors in the court of public opinion continue to process information and to reach conclusions, however, little things like these could become a factor.
 
This feels like it has been the longest off-season in recent memory. Both 2020 and now 2021 has absolutely sucked for Houston Texans fans. This Watson thing can't end fast enough.

I happened to be listening to 610 yesterday afternoon and they're still talking about potential Watson trade scenarios. Unless Watson finally fires his entire management team, this thing is going to court. At this point he is untradeable. I don't think the NFL would allow a trade involving Watson right now. If I'm wrong about that, I do like the idea of a trade of Watson with built-in contingencies as referenced in a post zshawn made earlier. Trade Watson for three 1st round picks. If he is suspended 6-8 games, the Texans forfeit one of the first round picks back to the trade partner. If he's suspended for a year, the Texans surrender two of those picks back to their partner. If he's suspended indefinitely, the Texans get nothing and lose control over Watson; but, they don't have to pay his salary.

The scenario I see most likely playing out, Watson reports to camp but is placed on the commissioners exempt list before the season begins as the NFL continues their investigation. Watson still has no intention on playing for the Texans ever again but if he reports to camp the Texans have to pay him even while he's on the CEL. That's probably the worst case scenario for the Texans but I believe that's where this thing is headed.

Now if the ownership of the Texans knew about this abhorrent (allegedly) behavior going on within their organization and failed to address it properly, they're getting what they deserved. Considering they've been talking "cultural change" since before Easterby (the supposed cultural savior) came on board, I feel like they knew something was rotten at the core.

If I remember correctly, as soon as Clowney hit Houston he was making it rain in the strip clubs and Hopkins was flashing his own dick picks around on his first day in the NFL. Maybe that was just a precursor of things to come and the "corruption" throughout the fabric of the team was inevitable. I don't know. But what I do know is that Watson became a big part of the problem, or at least it very much looks like it right now.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Houston Chronicle finds errors on both sides of Deshaun Watson cases
April 16, 2021, 7:23 PM EDT

The 22 lawsuits against Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson eventually will play out in a court of law. For now, the cases have been playing out in the court of public opinion. The Houston Chronicle has found that the effort to win hearts and minds of the average person has resulted in mistakes, on both sides.

As it relates to the statements of support from 18 massage therapists, the Chronicle determined: “Names were spelled incorrectly. Licenses couldn’t be found for some. At least one woman’s massage therapy license has been expired since before Watson graduated from college. Giving a massage without a license is a misdemeanor in Georgia, where this woman works.”

The Chronicle attempted to contact all 18 woman. In most cases, the Chronicle was unsuccessful. (One of them, Jasmine Brooks, spoke at length last week to KHOU-11.)

Mistakes also have occurred on behalf of the 22 plaintiffs. Per the Chronicle, attorney Tony Buzbee “misspelled the name of an esthetician who worked with Watson in November 2020.” The Chronicle also couldn’t find evidence of a massage therapy license for a woman who claimed to be licensed.

These issues most likely will have no relevance to the merits of the cases or Watson’s defense in court. As the jurors in the court of public opinion continue to process information and to reach conclusions, however, little things like these could become a factor.
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I can fully understand why errors are in the 18 who support. And the article has all but said it. We know that of the 18, some of them are strippers and in an article I saw yesterday, Watson was told flat out they didn't have a license. The case filed with HPD in her statement that is on the forum. She said she was not a massage therapist but rather someone who worked with oils. I don’t remember what it's called. Watson still set up an appointment saying that didn't matter. She brought oils and he made her use Baby oil. Stating he didn't like any of the oils she brought.

In other words: It appears to me that he was going with whoever he liked. The only thing that stays the same is they all used oil and likely are listed under "oils" or "massage" on Instagram. If you put in massage therapist you can see for yourself that 3/4ths are almost no question not massage therapists.
 
banned1976 said:
This feels like it has been the longest off-season in recent memory. Both 2020 and now 2021 has absolutely sucked for Houston Texans fans. This Watson thing can't end fast enough.

I happened to be listening to 610 yesterday afternoon and they're still talking about potential Watson trade scenarios. Unless Watson finally fires his entire management team, this thing is going to court. At this point he is untradeable. I don't think the NFL would allow a trade involving Watson right now. If I'm wrong about that, I do like the idea of a trade of Watson with built-in contingencies as referenced in a post zshawn made earlier. Trade Watson for three 1st round picks. If he is suspended 6-8 games, the Texans forfeit one of the first round picks back to the trade partner. If he's suspended for a year, the Texans surrender two of those picks back to their partner. If he's suspended indefinitely, the Texans get nothing and lose control over Watson; but, they don't have to pay his salary.

The scenario I see most likely playing out, Watson reports to camp but is placed on the commissioners exempt list before the season begins as the NFL continues their investigation. Watson still has no intention on playing for the Texans ever again but if he reports to camp the Texans have to pay him even while he's on the CEL. That's probably the worst case scenario for the Texans but I believe that's where this thing is headed.

Now if the ownership of the Texans knew about this abhorrent (allegedly) behavior going on within their organization and failed to address it properly, they're getting what they deserved. Considering they've been talking "cultural change" since before Easterby (the supposed cultural savior) came on board, I feel like they knew something was rotten at the core.

If I remember correctly, as soon as Clowney hit Houston he was making it rain in the strip clubs and Hopkins was flashing his own dick picks around on his first day in the NFL. Maybe that was just a precursor of things to come and the "corruption" throughout the fabric of the team was inevitable. I don't know. But what I do know is that Watson became a big part of the problem, or at least it very much looks like it right now.
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I think Watson had the volume turned up after Hopkins left. He was doing more and not covering his tracks as well. Probably while Hopkins was here it wasn't as clear because they were both covering each other. With his wingman gone Watson became the tip of the situation not just a rumor of being part of said situation.
 
banned1976 said:
This feels like it has been the longest off-season in recent memory. Both 2020 and now 2021 has absolutely sucked for Houston Texans fans. This Watson thing can't end fast enough.

I happened to be listening to 610 yesterday afternoon and they're still talking about potential Watson trade scenarios. Unless Watson finally fires his entire management team, this thing is going to court. At this point he is untradeable. I don't think the NFL would allow a trade involving Watson right now. If I'm wrong about that, I do like the idea of a trade of Watson with built-in contingencies as referenced in a post zshawn made earlier. Trade Watson for three 1st round picks. If he is suspended 6-8 games, the Texans forfeit one of the first round picks back to the trade partner. If he's suspended for a year, the Texans surrender two of those picks back to their partner. If he's suspended indefinitely, the Texans get nothing and lose control over Watson; but, they don't have to pay his salary.

The scenario I see most likely playing out, Watson reports to camp but is placed on the commissioners exempt list before the season begins as the NFL continues their investigation. Watson still has no intention on playing for the Texans ever again but if he reports to camp the Texans have to pay him even while he's on the CEL. That's probably the worst case scenario for the Texans but I believe that's where this thing is headed.

Now if the ownership of the Texans knew about this abhorrent (allegedly) behavior going on within their organization and failed to address it properly, they're getting what they deserved. Considering they've been talking "cultural change" since before Easterby (the supposed cultural savior) came on board, I feel like they knew something was rotten at the core.

If I remember correctly, as soon as Clowney hit Houston he was making it rain in the strip clubs and Hopkins was flashing his own dick picks around on his first day in the NFL. Maybe that was just a precursor of things to come and the "corruption" throughout the fabric of the team was inevitable. I don't know. But what I do know is that Watson became a big part of the problem, or at least it very much looks like it right now.
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The guys on 610 are just stupid AF, there is no trade happening. They are so annoyingly dumb.
 
badboy said:
Speaking only of this MB I do not understand why so much anger develops and personal attacks occur. Disagreement is interpreted as a kick to the crotch. Ego may be part of DW's makeup but same can be said of some here also.
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Ktexan68 said:
The guys on 610 are just stupid AF, there is no trade happening. They are so annoyingly dumb.
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How do you know there is "no trade happening?" Not being argumentative but how do you know that? Is it just your opinion or can you provide link(s) to anything like the CBA for example? There are still links that say other teams are waiting for clarity on if and how this will resolve. If you cannot, it seems your are voicing your opinion rather than a fact? If so cool but that is exactly what 610 and two other Houston radio station are doing.
 
SnakeEyes said:
I can fully understand why errors are in the 18 who support. And the article has all but said it. We know that of the 18, some of them are strippers and in an article I saw yesterday, Watson was told flat out they didn't have a license. The case filed with HPD in her statement that is on the forum. She said she was not a massage therapist but rather someone who worked with oils. I don’t remember what it's called. Watson still set up an appointment saying that didn't matter. She brought oils and he made her use Baby oil. Stating he didn't like any of the oils she brought.

In other words: It appears to me that he was going with whoever he liked. The only thing that stays the same is they all used oil and likely are listed under "oils" or "massage" on Instagram. If you put in massage therapist you can see for yourself that 3/4ths are almost no question not massage therapists.
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When I read the Chronicle article earlier I thought it said errors on both sides including licenses?
 
KA4Texan said:
No, someone implied DW was soley responsible.for destroying this team...... not the same thing as blaming OB for DWs issues.... but okay.

DWs perversions doesnt make OB any less responsible for incompetent management or coaching decisions.
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Agreed

But DW4 has played a big role in why the team is where it's at today.

As far as on the field stuff goes, I dont even think DW4's what many on this MB think he is.
 
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