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Yes, there would be a dead money hit if he's traded, especially if he's traded before June 1. You can play with various scenarios here - https://overthecap.com/player/deshaun-watson/5596/Lucky explained to me in another thread why the Texans are in no position to trade l. Tunsil, which is because a trade would accelerate the recognition of future cap hits because of restructuring of tunsils contract for which we have inadequent current cap space.
My question is ? Do we any such constraints regarding dw4s contract if we had an opportunity to trade him ?
I've been saying for a while that it feels like Caserio knows he's getting at least some relief from Watson's cap hit this seasonI may be 100% wrong.....if Watson is suspended for the 2021 season, then his cap hit is removed which gives the Texans the room to complete the signing of Taylor and the re-working of Tunsil's contract. Maybe Caserio is planning on no Watson for the 2021 season.
At this point I think the FO knows it’s over. Watson won’t be traded and will probably be suspended for a year anyways and HOU has zero high picks. I think we all need to accept that this is a lost year and Caserio will slow roll this rebuild into next year when he dumps Watson and can draft a QB and start over.I may be 100% wrong.....if Watson is suspended for the 2021 season, then his cap hit is removed which gives the Texans the room to complete the signing of Taylor and the re-working of Tunsil's contract. Maybe Caserio is planning on no Watson for the 2021 season.
What are the implications of him going on the exempt list and he is subsequently cut? I'm trying to understand what happens to the Texans' cap in that scenario. Also, if he is cut can he be signed even if suspended? Let's say he is cut and the allegations bring a 6 to 8 game or year long suspension, he is free to sign with whomever and the Texans get nothing right?NFL needs to place him on the exempt list so we can cut him.
Nah.At this point I think the FO knows it’s over. Watson won’t be traded and will probably be suspended for a year anyways and HOU has zero high picks. I think we all need to accept that this is a lost year and Caserio will slow roll this rebuild into next year when he dumps Watson and can draft a QB and start over.
I’d love for him to trade up into the top 4 this year, but they have nothing to offer other than future picks and I don’t think he’s got the nuts to do it as a new GM.
And now that SF is up at 3, I think it’s over.
That’s some good hopium, right there.Nah.
Watson settles. Gets 6 weeks suspension from the league.
FO trades Watson on draft day to Miami.
So I dunno that doesn't look good but looks like any trade involving DW4 right now is very problematic because of his cap structure ?Yes, there would be a dead money hit if he's traded, especially if he's traded before June 1. You can play with various scenarios here - https://overthecap.com/player/deshaun-watson/5596/
If traded before Jun 1, we're looking at ~$16MM in dead money. I don't think there is any way to get around that.So I dunno that doesn't look good but looks like any trade involving DW4 right now is very problematic because of his cap structure ?
I think you're looking at the wrong column. If traded before June 1st Watson dead money that we have to eat is 21.6 million. His cap hit if he remains as is is approximately 16 million.If traded before Jun 1, we're looking at ~$16MM in dead money. I don't think there is any way to get around that.
$21.6MM dead money - $5.66 cap savings = ~$16MM net dead money effect on the capI think you're looking at the wrong column. If traded before June 1st Watson dead money that we have to eat is 21.6 million. His cap hit if he remains as is is approximately 16 million.
We save 10 million after June 1st.If traded before Jun 1, we're looking at ~$16MM in dead money. I don't think there is any way to get around that.
That's not how it works$21.6MM dead money - $5.66 cap savings = ~$16MM net dead money effect on the cap
$21.6MM dead money - $5.66 cap savings = ~$16MM net dead money effect on the cap
I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it works, but if you know better why don't you enlighten us.
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Actually, I take all this back. I think this site already does the math for you.After Jun 1 the Texans only save $5MM because the $5.4MM prorated bonus will still count this year. The rest of that column will count next year.
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I wasn't looking at the wrong column, I was just making it more complicated than it was.I think you're looking at the wrong column. If traded before June 1st Watson dead money that we have to eat is 21.6 million. His cap hit if he remains as is is approximately 16 million.
Watson's cap number $15.96 M for 2021. If traded there is $21M dead money resulting in an additional cap hit of -$5.66MI'm pretty sure that's exactly how it works, but if you know better why don't you enlighten us.
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Yeah, I got it eventually. Was making it more complicated that it was.Watson's cap number $15.96 M for 2021. If traded there is $21M dead money resulting in an additional cap hit of -$5.66M
See the parentheses?
So I dunno, but looks like that 16M DM # prohibits a trade of DW4 prior to June 1 ?If traded before Jun 1, we're looking at ~$16MM in dead money. I don't think there is any way to get around that.
I would not pay Garoppolo 25 million for this season. His salary of 24 + his roster and per game bonus.Probability he plays for Texans ever again. 0.001%
My Boy Nicky needs to get real here. Every team know watson's kink so were not at fault if they willingly trade at this point.
Watsons agent needs to get to Miami and reassure them of his value.
Then Nick needs to turn some of that draft pick for Garrapolo......... Destiny fulfilled
We could be competitive day 1
Texans will not let the dead money stop them from making a trade if that's what they want to do.So I dunno, but looks like that 16M DM # prohibits a trade of DW4 prior to June 1 ?
JimmyG?!?! Really?!?!Probability he plays for Texans ever again. 0.001%
My Boy Nicky needs to get real here. Every team know watson's kink so were not at fault if they willingly trade at this point.
Watsons agent needs to get to Miami and reassure them of his value.
Then Nick needs to turn some of that draft pick for Garrapolo......... Destiny fulfilled
We could be competitive day 1
I agree. If they can get this clown out of town and end this fustercluck, I think they will just take whatever they can get and be done with it. And if they can somehow manage to get up to 6 it would be a miracle.Texans will not let the dead money stop them from making a trade if that's what they want to do.
Texans will not let the dead money stop them from making a trade if that's what they want to do.So I dunno, but looks like that 16M DM # prohibits a trade of DW4 prior to June 1 ?
Interesting, why would the NFL stop any trade for Deshaun?I agree. If they can get this clown out of town and end this fustercluck, I think they will just take whatever they can get and be done with it. And if they can somehow manage to get up to 6 it would be a miracle.
But I don’t think the league will allow any trade involving Watson anymore.
JimmyG?!?! Really?!?!
Great, HOU goes from a perv to a guy who nails pornstars.
I guess its a step up....
I agree with you. Watson screwed up his own trade request. In 2022 teams may offer an amazing deal, same as the rumors this year. You have to be right about not being able to trade him this year. Otherwise, you know Easterby is calling and texting Cal daily. Saying to get rid of him. Cal might not be 100% wants to trade Watson. However, he is blinded by Easterby and he has to know offers would be great. I am fairly certain that the NFL alone has ordered the Texans not to trade him until after the issues are over. It's a "fair play" type thing I remember correctly seeing something about it. Basically, you are stuck with the player until the situation is over. That way if he is sent to jail or only suspended you have to deal with it not another team. Next year Watson will likely have to go to the team the Texans want. As I am pretty sure that the situation (if even 1 case is legit) will void the NTC as well as the parts of the contract about "ethics, morals, conduct and etc."Unfortunately, this fiasco has all but eliminated moving Watson via trade this season. 2022 will be a wait and see as to what the damage was this season and what his value could be next off-season. This will inevitably be a costly lesson to Watson.
I think the Texans organization was fully aware of Watson's upcoming issues based on the signing of Taylor (QB1) and Finley (QB2) for the 2021 season. They were preparing themselves for the worst possible scenario......sound move Caserio.
Yeah there’s a little hope but if he’s convicted of a crime and goes to jail. Well they’re kinda screwedLet's not forget that 2 teams have good assets in 2022-2023 drafts - Eagles and Lions. That could possibly allow the current mess with DW to be resolved.
Good faith. The NFLPA I think puts a hold on trades during legal issues. Only due to the fact that trading a guy who is prison bound or is going to be suspended. The "new" team won't have to deal with it unless by choice.Texans will not let the dead money stop them from making a trade if that's what they want to do.
Interesting, why would the NFL stop any trade for Deshaun?
Because there’s still a chance of criminal charges.Texans will not let the dead money stop them from making a trade if that's what they want to do.
Interesting, why would the NFL stop any trade for Deshaun?
I dunno what are the consequences ofTexans will not let the dead money stop them from making a trade if that's what they want to do.
"A week or two" ! Your dreaming Snakeeyes. A month or two maybe if DW4 is real, real lucky.Meaning I think if everything is over in say a week or two (unlikely). We could then trade him. His new team would be aware of the suspension if it happens (jail time we are stuck). And then they can plan for it and it would also probably reduce trade partners.
Pretty much spot on.I dunno what are the consequences of
"A week or two" ! Your dreaming Snakeeyes. A month or two maybe if DW4 is real, real lucky.
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So let me see if I've got this right ?
Management & ownership got wind of DW4s "lifestyle" involving a wide array of
masseuses, and it's likely that DW4s good buddy D-Hop introduced him to that lifestyle, therefor the Texans expedited Dw4s bad influence
out of town by accepting a deal with shitty terms from the Cards. And the Texans continued to bug DW4 about his lifestyle further alienating our incredibly foolish and stupid young superstar when all they were trying to do was save him from getting mired in the quagmire he now finds himself hopelessly stuck in.
Ahhh, my comment was an example not a legitimate time tableI dunno what are the consequences of
"A week or two" ! Your dreaming Snakeeyes. A month or two maybe if DW4 is real, real lucky.
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So let me see if I've got this right ?
Management & ownership got wind of DW4s "lifestyle" involving a wide array of
masseuses, and it's likely that DW4s good buddy D-Hop introduced him to that lifestyle, therefor the Texans expedited Dw4s bad influence
out of town by accepting a deal with shitty terms from the Cards. And the Texans continued to bug DW4 about his lifestyle further alienating our incredibly foolish and stupid young superstar when all they were trying to do was save him from getting mired in the quagmire he now finds himself hopelessly stuck in.
He can claim that it's legal in his religious beliefs. Score points with Easterby maybe seeing it's a religious thingBecause there’s still a chance of criminal charges.
Its 26 women now.
It's become a little tricky. I try to have a little patience, and give the post a chance to settle. It may seem like the post didn't go through, but it usually does in time.Second time the post button has double posted
Hope you're right.Watson is going to be incentivised to settle as he wants to give Texans incentive to trade him.
If Texans have had communication with Miami and like their proposal, then sooner rather than later will be ideal. Strike while the iron is hot.
There is no way I am going to give a huge discount allowing for suspension - I probably would downgrade a high first down a little but not a whole first.
I am thinking we may see a settlement in the next 2-3 weeks.
Yes it seem to be cleared up for a brief time but has reverted back to duplicate posts. Sometimes the refresh button works and sometimes it does not. Patience is a virtue that I am trying to obtain LOL! It just gets frustrating when you're in a flow of conversation on two or three different threads and slows down the thought process when you have to wait for the system to catch up.It's become a little tricky. I try to have a little patience, and give the post a chance to settle. It may seem like the post didn't go through, but it usually does in time.
I think the discount was dropping from 1.3 to 6 pick as it allowed Miami to push round ones into the future and those could be San Francisco picks; possibly allowing Miami to keep their own. Two round ones and two round two in the top 50 this draft would be excellent as things stand, anything extra would be gravy for the chicken.Watson is going to be incentivised to settle as he wants to give Texans incentive to trade him.
If Texans have had communication with Miami and like their proposal, then sooner rather than later will be ideal. Strike while the iron is hot.
There is no way I am going to give a huge discount allowing for suspension - I probably would downgrade a high first down a little but not a whole first.
I am thinking we may see a settlement in the next 2-3 weeks.