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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

CloakNNNdagger said:
Dabo Swinney on Deshaun Watson: “We are disappointed to see his name in the news and all that is going on”



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Without casting judgement, an acute rush of money has a way of changing some people.
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Sex crimes are often about power & control ..... Watson's probably always been in control (gotten his way) going back to that high school period Dabo is referring to being recruit to these major universities. He's likely never been told NO , you cant do this or that ..... He's used to things going how he wants. This is just an extension of that .... expecting never to be told No.
 
maverick512000 said:
Florio is trying to CYA, he was the one that "broke" the story of Watson wanting traded and how bad everything was with the Texans. Now its looking like his inside sources left a few things out so he's trying to still spin it back on the Texans and Buzbee.
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OK that's fine, and yea it's well known that Florio has never been a fan of the Texans.
But anyway, do you have any ideas why there are no other lawyers coming in for what could be a big payday ?
 
Texansballer74 said:
www.espn.com

Watson lawyer responds to lawsuits; 16 now filed

With 16 lawsuits now having been filed against Deshaun Watson, his attorney said "any allegation" that the Houston Texans quarterback "forced a woman to commit a sexual act is completely false."
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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On the one hand I assume Buzbee knows he doesn’t have evidence to support a conviction, which imo is why he filed civil cases.

On the other hand I can’t imagine him going down this road with a he said she said argument.
 
IDEXAN said:
OK that's fine, and yea it's well known that Florio has never been a fan of the Texans.
But anyway, do you have any ideas why there are no other lawyers coming in for what could be a big payday ?
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Why would the women go to another lawyer? You’re not going to find one better than Buzbee and at this point I’d say he’s taking the case pro bono, or more likely he gets paid if they get paid, so you don’t have to have money up front. He’s already tied to the case and has the largest suit now so if you are someone that is looking for a pay day then you are more likely to get it through him or if you are looking for Watson to be punished again adding your case to whatever the count is up to now means it’s stronger than if you went in alone.

Also other lawyers maybe staying away from it for fear of attacks or bullying on them or their families. Buzbee and his family are personally set up in a way your average lawyer wouldn’t be. By the same token most lawyers wouldn’t want to go against Hardin, Buzbee is one of the few that would and enjoy it

Likewise there is no guarantee of this supposed big pay day. As of right now there is no big pay day as they have only sued for the court required minimal. Now will there be, yeah most likely, but there is nothing now or for the foreseeable future.

I actually could keep going with other reasons but you get the idea.
 
Corrosion said:
Sex crimes are often about power & control ..... Watson's probably always been in control (gotten his way) going back to that high school period Dabo is referring to being recruit to these major universities. He's likely never been told NO , you cant do this or that ..... He's used to things going how he wants. This is just an extension of that .... expecting never to be told No.
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And that's probably why he was (even though it appears it may not be about this anymore) so bitchmade when he was told that his input will be listened to but not the be all end all.
 
There's to much smoke here for there not to be a fire, except that no one's seen any real fire yet. Just the smoke. I keep waiting on something big to hit, like actual criminal charges being filed or a grand jury being seated. Wait, wait, wait.

It seems like that's all Texan fans ever do is keep waiting for something to happen.
 
amazing80 said:
Want to see more of Watson defending himself.
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Rusty is just getting started. He will slowly shred each individual case. You can start to see it if you read his entire statement.

Buzbee is playing with fire. I have no idea of his background, but I know Rusty Hardin has a reputation like a pitbull. He never backs down from a fight.
 
Corrosion said:
Sex crimes are often about power & control ..... Watson's probably always been in control (gotten his way) going back to that high school period Dabo is referring to being recruit to these major universities. He's likely never been told NO , you cant do this or that ..... He's used to things going how he wants. This is just an extension of that .... expecting never to be told No.
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This ^^^
And wait for the Clemson girls to come forward.
 
maverick512000 said:
Why would the women go to another lawyer? You’re not going to find one better than Buzbee and at this point I’d say he’s taking the case pro bono, or more likely he gets paid if they get paid, so you don’t have to have money up front. He’s already tied to the case and has the largest suit now so if you are someone that is looking for a pay day then you are more likely to get it through him or if you are looking for Watson to be punished again adding your case to whatever the count is up to now means it’s stronger than if you went in alone.

Also other lawyers maybe staying away from it for fear of attacks or bullying on them or their families. Buzbee and his family are personally set up in a way your average lawyer wouldn’t be. By the same token most lawyers wouldn’t want to go against Hardin, Buzbee is one of the few that would and enjoy it

Likewise there is no guarantee of this supposed big pay day. As of right now there is no big pay day as they have only sued for the court required minimal. Now will there be, yeah most likely, but there is nothing now or for the foreseeable future.

I actually could keep going with other reasons but you get the idea.
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You say you could go on with other reasons ?
OK that's fine because so far I've found every you've said very unconvincing.
 
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Double Barrel said:
Rusty is just getting started. He will slowly shred each individual case. You can start to see it if you read his entire statement.

Buzbee is playing with fire. I have no idea of his background, but I know Rusty Hardin has a reputation like a pitbull. He never backs down from a fight.
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Buzbee is to, he’s almost at the level of Hardin. Thing is both of them win, a lot. What Buzbee has going for him though is that Hardin can’t shred each case if he doesn’t know the details of each case and in a civil case an accused does NOT have the right to face their accusers. Even in this one Hardin posted about he has no proof or way to know for sure it’s the same person.
 
Double Barrel said:
Rusty is just getting started. He will slowly shred each individual case. You can start to see it if you read his entire statement.

Buzbee is playing with fire. I have no idea of his background, but I know Rusty Hardin has a reputation like a pitbull. He never backs down from a fight.
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All they have to do now is counter-sue.
This will allow them to discover the identity of the particular accuser concerned.
When that happens, many of the cases will fall away and stop more being filed. Or greatly reduce them.
Watson may have used his fame to get so many women to jump at the chance to massage such a high profile person but that they jumped is not his fault.
By claiming that there was consensual sex involved in some of the claims is hardly surprising - one wonders what his girlfriend thinks of that though..🤔
 
Texansphan said:
All they have to do now is counter-sue.
This will allow them to discover the identity of the particular accuser concerned.
When that happens, many of the cases will fall away and stop more being filed. Or greatly reduce them.
Watson may have used his fame to get so many women to jump at the chance to massage such a high profile person but that they jumped is not his fault.
By claiming that there was consensual sex involved in some of the claims is hardly surprising - one wonders what his girlfriend thinks of that though..🤔
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Who would they counter sue if they don’t know the identity of the women filing? Also what would the sue for?
 
maverick512000 said:
Buzbee is to, he’s almost at the level of Hardin. Thing is both of them win, a lot. What Buzbee has going for him though is that Hardin can’t shred each case if he doesn’t know the details of each case and in a civil case an accused does NOT have the right to face their accusers. Even in this one Hardin posted about he has no proof or way to know for sure it’s the same person.
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I can believe that. However, I doubt Buzbee wants any of these women to be cross examined by Rusty. I doubt it gets that far in any of these cases.

This is why I think Watson is now admitting sexual relations with some of the women and then exposing one of them as a clear extortionist. They want to make the other plaintiffs start to feel a little nervous.

Best case scenario (for Texans fans) is Watson is exonerated and Caserio immediately trades him for a number of first round picks. Dust off and move on.
 
Corrosion said:
I remember them being all up and down Jensen ..... literally from end to end.

Several other places around town too ....


I think they have all (most) moved to social media rather than walking the streets now days.
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Yeah that’s one my old stumping grounds. Grew up around. Now after 75 years they’re closing one of my favorite meat markets Burts Meat Market and Cajun Foods.

They use to hanging out on Crosstimbers and Airlines.


Most definitely, a lot of people are trying hustle over the net. There’s a bunch of women tweaking on there.
 
ColeThornton said:
That is correct with the DA, but there is a huge difference between criminal and civil. In a criminal trial it must not only be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but you have to get a unanimous decision. In a civil trial I'll stop short of saying anything goes, but the prove beyond a reasonable doubt does not apply. If you can convice a jury your client deserves to be paid that's what's going to happen. And get this, you only have to convice part of the jury, it doesn't have to be unanimous. So even if a dozen women can't "prove" something, they would probably have more influence on a jury than one would in a civil trial. So as the dominoes continue to fall it gets worse and worse for DW.
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Civil cases have to meet an standard of "the preponderance of the evidence" whereas a criminal case has a much higher standard, which is "beyond a reasonable doubt." This is the reason that OJ Simpson was found guilty in his civil trial, and not in his criminal trial.

thunderkyss said:
On the one hand I assume Buzbee knows he doesn’t have evidence to support a conviction, which imo is why he filed civil cases.

On the other hand I can’t imagine him going down this road with a he said she said argument.
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You may already know this, but private attorneys don't prosecute defendants in criminal matters. The district attorney of the jurisdiction (here, Harris County) brings criminal charges against people.

Like everyone accused of inappropriate sexual conduct, I will wait until he has his day in court before I decide how I feel about Watson. Even the biggest piece of **** is afforded the right of due process. This is what makes this country different than almost every other country in the world and it's really scary that a portion of our society wants to move away from it. You can't just pick and choose who gets due process based on if you like them or not.

I've seen a trend in society over the last 10-20 years in media and social media that excoriates people without trial because "you must believe all women." I'm here to say "No you don't." Some women that accuse men definitely lie, but this does not mean that because some or most women in these situations lie...that all of them are liars. Sexual assault/Rape/etc. definitely happens and is under reported and the sick f***s that do that to them deserve to be punished if found guilty in a court of law. It's terrifying that women have the power to destroy (usually) men's lives about baseless accusations because maybe they have "buyers remorse" about having sex with a man or because the way he treated them afterwards.

Having said that, the pattern that is shown in all this encounters is really troubling for the Team Watson. Some or all of them may be consensual, but maybe he took it further than they wanted which is definitely sexual assault. I don't do a whole lot of criminal law, but I have some experience. Let me tell you that sexual criminals usually have a pattern to their crimes. Whether Watson really did something wrong, it looks awful for him. I have no evidence outside of what the facts are in the pleadings, but in my experience, more often than not, the same pattern of facts means the defendant got some sort of sexual gratification from having power or control over people or a situation. This does not mean he's guilty, I'm just saying this is usually how guilty people act.
 
Buzbee’s response to Hardin

Buzbee on Tuesday said Watson and Burney "repeatedly insisted that Jane Doe sign" a non-disclosure agreement, and that she refused to do so. Buzbee also questioned whether Watson could "keep track of" all his massage sessions.

"There are many facts here, that we will put in public filings, that Mr. Hardin might not be aware of," said Buzbee, who added that he hoped to provide additional details by Friday.
 
Texansphan said:
Hardin said they figured out this particular woman.
If they counter-sue Buzzbee, won't he be forced to reveal the accuser?
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Again counter sue who and for what? You can’t just do a blanket suit and Hardin is trying to put a seed of doubt to counter all the media attention but he hasn’t shown and proof that it’s the same woman or that even even knows who the woman was. The 6th amendment right to face your accuser does not apply to civil cases.
 
I just now got on this thread, and have no intention whatsoever of going back and reading it all from post 1.

But does anyone besides me find the timing of this just a little suspect? I mean, here we have Deshawn signing a huge contract extension, and then later saying he doesn’t want to play here anymore (and who blame him), with the new GM saying that trading him is not going to happen.

And this sex assault lawsuit business pops up. NOW!!!???

Anyone find that just a little too co - incidental?

(apologies if this is all been previously batted around)
 
Marcus said:
I just now got on this thread, and have no intention whatsoever of going back and reading it all from post 1.

But does anyone besides me find the timing of this just a little suspect? I mean, here we have Deshawn signing a huge contract extension, and then later saying he doesn’t want to play here anymore (and who blame him), with the new GM saying that trading him is not going to happen.

And this sex assault lawsuit business pops up. NOW!!!???

Anyone find that just a little too co - incidental?

(apologies if this is all been previously batted around)
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It has been batted around. Some find it strange and some find it strange that the Texans, who are apparently all idiots, are supposedly now able to come up with a conspiracy that would make a Hollywood movie proud.

Ask yourself this also, do you really think that the McNairs, Caserio or even Easterby are so evil to destroy a person’s life like that and so stupid to destroy all value of their franchise QB?

Watson worth absolutely nothing to the Texans right now. No team will trade for him, assuming the NFL would even allow it, and there is a very good chance that guilty or innocent the NFL suspends him anyway.
 
maverick512000 said:
It has been batted around. Some find it strange and some find it strange that the Texans, who are apparently all idiots, are supposedly now able to come up with a conspiracy that would make a Hollywood movie proud.

Ask yourself this also, do you really think that the McNairs, Caserio or even Easterby are so evil to destroy a person’s life like that and so stupid to destroy all value of their franchise QB?

Watson worth absolutely nothing to the Texans right now. No team will trade for him, assuming the NFL would even allow it, and there is a very good chance that guilty or innocent the NFL suspends him anyway.
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The NFL is going to give him a hefty suspension for embarrassing the league like this
 
Double Barrel said:
Just for clarification, Mike Florio was a lawyer but gave up the profession to cover football. He is the founder and owner of PFT. You may already know this, but the way it reads I thought I'd offer some clarity.



I've watched Florio's coverage and he's just pointing out that it is odd to have all plaintiffs going through one lawyer. In past cases with other high profile defendants, there were multiple lawyers involved representing different plaintiffs. He's also not a fan of Buzbee's sensational style of media manipulation, but he figures that's about putting pressure on Watson to settle this out of court as soon as possible.

Florio has been very adamant that the Texans were not involved in any sort of conspiracy to smear Watson. It makes no logical sense and the potential penalties much too stiff to even consider such a tactic (plus I just don't see Caserio & Easterby doing something like that, all things considered).
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Here is Florio's long piece about DW4 today 3/23: Potential coordination between Texans, Tony Buzbee doesn't mean there was a conspiracy - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com)
 
Thorn said:
There's to much smoke here for there not to be a fire, except that no one's seen any real fire yet. Just the smoke. I keep waiting on something big to hit, like actual criminal charges being filed or a grand jury being seated. Wait, wait, wait.

It seems like that's all Texan fans ever do is keep waiting for something to happen.
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Clearly you're not as clairvoyant late in the day as you're in the early morn.
 
maverick512000 said:
It has been batted around. Some find it strange and some find it strange that the Texans, who are apparently all idiots, are supposedly now able to come up with a conspiracy that would make a Hollywood movie proud.

Ask yourself this also, do you really think that the McNairs, Caserio or even Easterby are so evil to destroy a person’s life like that and so stupid to destroy all value of their franchise QB?

Watson worth absolutely nothing to the Texans right now. No team will trade for him, assuming the NFL would even allow it, and there is a very good chance that guilty or innocent the NFL suspends him anyway.
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No, I don’t see how it would benefit the Texans by diminishing Watson’s trade value?

But still... the timing of this is just hard for me to believe the Texans are not involved in this in some way. I keep thinking there is some kind of morality clause they are looking at to get out of that contract. I mean bailing out after the contract extension has been signed??
 
Marcus said:
No, I don’t see how it would benefit the Texans by diminishing Watson’s trade value?

But still... the timing of this is just hard for me to believe the Texans are not involved in this in some way. I keep thinking there is some kind of morality clause they are looking at to get out of that contract. I mean bailing out after the contract extension has been signed??
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Or Watson demanded a trade because he knew of the allegations
 
amazing80 said:
Want to see more of Watson defending himself.
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Hardin defending DW4. DW4 may have screwed himself by initially claiming nothing happened.


maverick512000 said:
Florio is trying to CYA, he was the one that "broke" the story of Watson wanting traded and how bad everything was with the Texans. Now its looking like his inside sources left a few things out so he's trying to still spin it back on the Texans and Buzbee.
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Exactly

Florio asked why all 14 plantiffs went with Buzbee? Because he's the best at what he does.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Interesting thing here. Watson’s team is claiming he was blackmailed in mid January right. On one case. Yet, he didn’t hire a lawyer. He didn’t go to the police. He demanded a trade. Makes you wonder.
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Irony,

I dont believe in coincidences and I bet Buzbee wont either. This was Hardin's 1st attempt to throw crap against the wall and hope that it sticks.

This isn't going to turn out well for DW4.
 
steelbtexan said:
Irony,

I dont believe in coincidences and I bet Buzbee wont either. This was Hardin's 1st attempt to throw crap against the wall and hope that it sticks.

This isn't going to turn out well for DW4.
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Yep. It all makes sense now. Right around the trade request is when Easterby became a big problem and fire fire Jack campaign began. That came from Watson’s team. Pretty quiet on the Jack front now as well.
 
steelbtexan said:
Doesn't matter ownership knew what was going on to some extent and only took a half measure when it came to taking out the trash.
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Well if that’s the case, they’ve got the Darwin Award locked down tight. Not buying it though.
 
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