Texansballer74
The Marine
What input does Mahomas have over there in Kansas City? I never heard he had input on who can be hired when it comes to office management personnel.
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What input does Mahomas have over there in Kansas City? I never heard he had input on who can be hired when it comes to office management personnel.
Yep. Caserio has options here. Because I believe the public opinion on Watson will actually begin to change if he threatens to sit out because he has yet to explain what he was promised, he has others speaking for him. Now, if the Texans find a trade they like, and Watson vetoes it, best believe that will become public ASAP. Watson is getting bad advice.
I didn't say he had input over office personnel. I was reading the posts regarding Watson and O'Brien's relationship, remembered this conversation about drafting Edwards-Helaire and speculated if this is the type of dialogue, collaboration or whatever that Watson felt he lost when BoB was fired and Easterby gained more control/influence.
Jack Burton
Veteran
It’s nice when you just won the SB and you’ve got a luxury pick and the QB says to his offensively minded coach that Clyde would be cool. It’s not a real stretch that they both just so happen to like him. Who wouldn’t in that situation.
Do you really think that if Reid didn’t draft Clyde after saying he’s probably going to, that Mahomes would be demanding a trade and to get off the team? Winning cures all issues.
Did you miss the part where I posted that if they didn't pick Clyde, they probably would communicate why another player would be a better fit? It's all about communication, roles/responsibilities and leadership. For the last time, that clip was an example of the HC, GM and QB communicating and getting feedback from one another and wondering if this is the type of thing Watson covets with the Texans and doesn't feel he will get it.
If you disagree, fine. I'm not going to get drawn into a debate where I have to take the side of defending the nonsense at NRG.
Jack Burton
Veteran
I’m simply saying that teams who win SBs usually are communicating anyways as a team and a coaching staff, so again, it’s not surprising or an amazing situation when they take a luxury player that they all probably liked and wanted anyways. I don’t think Mahomes had to do much selling to Reid on Clyde.
I would be more impressedif if it was a bad team and they were all communicating and on the same page about a draft pick.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I agree. You or someone should have told the same to Cal.
See though that’s shows Watson's immaturity if true. So what if Cal did say he would have input, unless he flat out said “We will not make any personal changes hiring or firing until we have consulted with you and then you’ll have final say.” then he did nothing wrong.
At my job they recently hired a new manager who is my direct supervisor. The regional manager before he made the hire asked my opinion on the candidates then hired the person I said would be a bad fit. I didn’t get mad, didn’t think they broke my trust, didn’t refuse to work with the person or anything else. Only thing I did in regards to it was laugh when they started having the exact problems I said they would but overall it was just business.
Doesn’t matter that my work place is a chemical plant and Watson’s is an NFL team maturity is maturity and Watson is acting like a spoiled brat.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I think what will make this interesting and a bad deal for everyone is Watson and his agent have forced Caserio into a corner. We’re talking about a guy who has been in BB’s shadow and waited 20 years for the right opportunity to sit the the GM chair. Now he gets it and first thing he is dealing with is a butt hurt, diva QB and he’s got all of the NFL’s eyes on him. Caserio screws this up he might as well quit because his GM career is over before it even began.
Jack Burton
Veteran
I don’t think Caserio is in a corner. I think he’s in a bit of a delicate spot, but he’s not hemmed in. His resiliency is the key. If he balks, then yeah, what your saying is true.
Caserio has a lot of options even though the media would have us think otherwise.
And it is good that Caserio comes from NE. That’s really the best trait I see in this whole thing that might allow for an amicable solution.
Jack Burton
Veteran
I don’t think Caserio is in a corner. I think he’s in a bit of a delicate spot, but he’s not hemmed in. His resiliency is the key. If he balks, then yeah, what your saying is true.
Caserio has a lot of options even though the media would have us think otherwise.
And it is good that Caserio comes from NE. That’s really the best trait I see in this whole thing that might allow for an amicable solution.
TripleTap
Dead Wood
Remind me why Casario is sure to be a great GM? How much responsibility (decision making) did he really have/do at NE? Was he just another flunky doing whatever BB told him to do? And he’s a big pal of EasterBunny—doesn’t that say something about him? I’m not sure why everyone thinks Casario is our hero.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
So NC is in a DW instigated corner Because DW wants to leave his contract. Odd that NC could not leave his contract to come to the Texans awhile back. League rules. Truly the lunatics are trying to run the asylum.
I think the thing that is making me trust at least a little in Caserio, is we aren’t hearing any leaks since he got there, not from Easterby, not anything. Which has to cause anxiety in the Watson camp. I don’t see Caserio budging. He will do what is best.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I’m not sure what your point is but yes Watson trying to leave his contract could blow up in his face like Caserio did with the Texans. At the time NE said “We’re ready to get nasty about this so do you really want this fight?” Texans decided to just wait it out till his contract ended. Now Texans can do the same to Watson but it would be much harder for Watson to wait it out. Basically he can only “wait it out” by playing.
He's working for McNair's. He'll have plenty of opportunities to "fix" his career.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Need not look any further than Casserly, RS, and OB.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
So if he fails enough do you think the McNairs will just make him the owner?
I would say possibly...
... but given OB's level of incompetence and they didnt make him owner..... I wouldnt hold my breath
He would have to be so incompetent that his failure would be legendary. Like movies that are so bad, they are good.
Scientists would marvel at his ability to suck harder than the closest black hole.
Doctors would be astounded at his ability to survive at any level above a single celled organism with such a lack of brain function.
In short, it would certainly be an improvement in current ownership.... but we wouldnt be so lucky.
... but given OB's level of incompetence and they didnt make him owner..... I wouldnt hold my breath
He would have to be so incompetent that his failure would be legendary. Like movies that are so bad, they are good.
Scientists would marvel at his ability to suck harder than the closest black hole.
Doctors would be astounded at his ability to survive at any level above a single celled organism with such a lack of brain function.
In short, it would certainly be an improvement in current ownership.... but we wouldnt be so lucky.
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What other hope does a Texans fan have ?
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think Watson wants to take his contract with him wherever he goes he just wants to leave the Houston Texans.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
I never finished my point. my fault. If Texans are boxed into a corner over this trade it is because of the NFL rules. There are specific rules for front office personnel to protect teams when a member wants to leave a contract. I think the NFL can stop future headaches like this DW thing by changing the rules of this NTC. It gets leveled against 31 teams with the stroke of a pen when signed into a contract. If a player requests a trade later the NTC should be removed the same way. It should be waived against all teams when a request to be traded is made to prevent cherry picking and manipulation by the player. It just seems like an unequal clause right now.
The problem isn't the NTC, it's Watson and his agent being dicks. There does need to be a clause that if a player demands a trade within XX months of signing contract the NTC and all guarantees are voided
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Two issues with that, first front office contracts are determined by the teams themselves with some oversight rules from the NFL. Player contracts are bound not just by NFL rules but also the CBA and players union so there are a lot more ways to fight/get out of a contract. Which brings us to the second issue in that such a change to the NTC as a whole would have to be agreed upon in the next CBA and there is no way at all players agree to that because it takes a lot of power away from the NTC. There is actually a much simpler way to deal with future issues of what Watson is using his NTC for and that is simply don't allow a player to have a NTC. I think this is more the direction teams will go, Watson is poisoning the waters for a lot of future players on several things.
This is just another reason why Watson's demands are "bad for everyone" (except Watson & Mulugheta).
An NTC is generally to protect the player from being traded away from a place he's happy / content.
With Mulugheta weaponizing the clause , front offices are are going to be much more leery of giving them out .... that's not going to sit well with other players.
I really hope they find some other solution than trading him .... its just bad for the league.
Hell if Watson holds out , I hope they do suspend him and not let the contract toll and he eventually comes to his senses and honors the contract and as a result fires his agent for giving him such poor financial advice .... and that owners refuse to sign his clients resulting in him being pushed out of the league..
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Your elimination rule would be simpler but I think the players would reject that idea as a loss of power. In my idea the team is protected but so is the player. Turning this around if the Texans instigated a desire to trade and found a partner DW could accept it or simply decline it just like he can do now. But since he put the demands on the team fine, Texans could honor his request or reject, just like now but they would have a broad field to make a trade. Edit. neither side could cherry pick...or either side could depending on which side made the trade request
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Exactly
Every Texans fan should want Caserio to succeed. Unfortunately some would rather be right than see him succeed.
Maybe O'Brien gave Watson that type of influence? I could see it. Watson always defended O'Brien, and it felt like more than just defending status quo. He had a real connection with O'Brien over the years.
And maybe now Watson realizes that he will have no voice with Easterby & Caserio, even though Cal is a half-wit that promised him something or another.
Just speculating. Something is deeper here than what we've read in the tea leaves, IMO.
Hope can sometimes be a suckers game. . .
“Don't confuse me with those who cling to hope. I enjoy describing how things are, I have no interest in how they 'ought to be.' And I certainly have no interest in fixing them. I sincerely believe that if you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem. My motto: **** Hope!”
~ George Carlin
Yep. Well said. This is a potentially terrible precedent for the NFL. And the league currently has two diva elite QBs pulling this nonsense.
Maybe we're just old school and this becomes the new way of the NFL. The media and fantasy football fans love it.
But, if it does become normal over the coming years, then Seinfeld's quote is even more applicable 20+ years later:
"Loyalty to any one sports team is pretty hard to justify, because the players are always changing, the team can move to another city. You're actually rooting for the clothes, when you get right down to it. You know what I mean? You are standing and cheering and yelling for your clothes to beat the clothes from another city. Fans will be so in love with a player, but if he goes to another team, they boo him. This is the same human being in a different shirt; they hate him now. Boo! Different shirt! Boo!"
~ Jerry Seinfeld
I'm here strictly for entertainment and the shared camaraderie of fans. I harbor no delusions that a Houston football team will never reach a SB, much less win one, while I am a fan of this city's football team.
I AM THE CURSE. lol
Like, Easterby texting Deshaun's mom that he's spending too much time with Hopkins and strippers? That might piss a guy off.
If this is true, do you think Watson told Culley about it during their Zoom meeting a couple of Fridays ago?
I think Watson asked Culley if he wanted a cheese steak and then told him that he wasn't playing for the Texans anymore.
Kyle doubled down on Jack. And here we are.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I AM THE CURSE. lol
Taking responsibility for dumpster fires can be rare these days.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Source?
Texansballer74
The Marine
It was also said that Watson’s mom called Janice about the wild stuff her son was doing.
Rumors
Have you given sources for your speculation?
Source?
Ask yourself if texting Watson's mother sounds like something Easterby would do? From the SI article, there are Texans who thought Easterby had a PI spying on them. And if Watson did find out about the texts, like after he signed the megadeal, wouldn't Kyle keeping Jack explain everything that has been going on? Maybe when Easterby's friend Caserio was hired (thus entrenching Jack), Watson might say something like "Some things never change."
Maybe not as weird as you might think.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Difference being I admit that mine is just speculation and my own thoughts. You state yours as facts.
The SI article was a joke that had no sources, literally one person could have written all of it without contacting anyone else because it was just “inside sources” and “league sources”. And if you are going to say something like “SI is a respected publication and wouldn’t make up things or not research and verify the sources.” I suggest you look up Rolling Stone and the Duke Lacrosse team.
By the way it was also floated around that Watson’s mother called Janice and mother to mother asked her to help get rid of the bad influences on her son AKA Hopkins and that had just as much credit to it as Easterby calling or texting.
Ask yourself this, if he did do those things why has Watson not shown the texts or even said anything about it. It would instantly get everyone on his side and back the Texans into a very bad corner.
When did I do that?
Everything that doesn't fit your narrative of Watson being a spoiled, unappreciative, over payed athlete has to be to a "joke", right. Can't be anything else? Keep your eyes and ears shut so you can believe exactly what you want to believe.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
My eyes and ears are wide open and what they see and hear is a player that signed a mega contract and less than 6 months later wants traded, wants to keep his signing bonus, wants to pick his team and wants that team to not have to give up much for him.
What they also see and hear is no one, including that player, actually give a reason for what caused him to do this just a bunch of cryptic tweets with song lyrics.
Sure it can be other things but there has been no verifiable proof that is anything else and as I have a REALLY hard time believing Watson is doing the Texans a favor by not releasing something. If he had dirt on them like that they would have already traded him.
You talk about me believing what I want to believe yet you post about all the things Cal, Easterby and the Texans in general have apparently done yet there is absolutely nothing to back it up even from the people who should want to sink them the most.
But yeah I’m the one with my eyes and ears closed.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The problem with your thought process here is that if this happened...and happened exactly the way it is told by those who leaked it........without any other details that could change how it is viewed right now,
Do you HONESTLY believe that it would've taken as long as it did to come out?
Do you think DW4 wouldn't have heard from his mom immediately after said incident happened?
Do you think that DW4 is sitting down with "Kyle" at dinner to discuss the future of this team if he knows this went down with 1 of McNair's trusted advisors?
Do you honestly believe that DW4's tweet that set all of this off of "some things never change" applies to this 1 incident?
Here are my answers:
No, that **** would've been on the ESPN bottom line ticker.........especially coming off that SI article & it involving Easterby.
No, I kinda think DW4 keeps in touch with his moms so its highly likely he would've heard of it almost immediately when it happened from her.
& HELL NO, he's not sitting down with Cal after the incident to discuss anything team related.
& that tweet doesn't even make sense when you apply it to the incident that was alleged to have happened the way it is said to have happened.
He didn't formally request a trade until sometime in the offseason AFTER he had dinner with Cal & BEFORE or during the time he was in Cabo. So we're talking what a few weeks to at most a month when he i guess had finally reached his tipping point?
I don care who or if Easterby called anybody.
DW4 is all of the things you listed. Only difference now is those wonderful crytic tweets, keep'em coming DW4.
I'm going to speculate that this happened after a great time in Cabo hanging out with his new hot GF.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I’m still thinking it’s the agent. For the sake of argument let’s say you are right about her. I still don’t see her pushing him to do this. In New York or Miami they would just be another celebrity couple and not even major ones if he’s QB for the Jets. In Houston the only competition for rock stars status they have would be Verlander and Upton.
Next if this blows up in Watson’s face then if she is the gold digger you claim she’s not very good at it because it would killing the golden goose then she has to find her next one to latch to and there aren’t that many left. She has a lot to lose and not much to gain.
His agent however has a lot to gain if this works and if it doesn’t Watson will be the one to lose it all. Agent might have to lay low awhile and kiss some backsides to get new clients but there are a lot young, dumb kids that just sign their first contract out of college that he could sweet talk. Watson, however, could be screwed for life.
banned1976
sleeper mode
I still believe this dust up between Watson and the Texans started with Easterby. I base this off of what Watson said in his last presser after his and the rest of the Texans ended, when he stated that there were people walking around the organization flaunting power that he didn't think they should have. The target of his frustration widened to include Cal when Watson came to understand (as we all did) that Jack was here to stay.
Probably if we just stuck with the "facts of the case" this would make sense.
Watson repeatedly stated he loved playing for Bill O'Brien.
Hopkins traded.
Watson signs new contract.
Bill O'Brien fired.
Watson tells the media at his season ending press conference that he felt the season was "dysfunctional" for team. He mentions the team needs a "cultural change" and "structure". He also said "there's too many people (in the organization) thinking they have all this power." Who was he talking about? https://www.houstontexans.com/video/deshaun-watson-press-conference-1-4-2021
Texans hire Nick Caserio, a well-known long time friend of JE.
There's a lot to left to speculate on. Only the players themselves know how the season was for them behind closed doors. But it's not hard to figure out it wasn't a cohesive environment when routinely players would complain about other players to the media. That's not good and JJ Watt couldn't wait to get out of that locker room.
I'm not going after Watson with both barrels blazing like some, although I have been a bit frustrated at Watson. But I don't know how bad it was and is in that organization. I believe it's a highly dysfunctional environment, just based upon the turnover and the things some of the players have said. NFL franchises are no different than any other organization in that when the culture goes sour, employees start looking for the exits.
Probably if we just stuck with the "facts of the case" this would make sense.
Watson repeatedly stated he loved playing for Bill O'Brien.
Hopkins traded.
Watson signs new contract.
Bill O'Brien fired.
Watson tells the media at his season ending press conference that he felt the season was "dysfunctional" for team. He mentions the team needs a "cultural change" and "structure". He also said "there's too many people (in the organization) thinking they have all this power." Who was he talking about? https://www.houstontexans.com/video/deshaun-watson-press-conference-1-4-2021
Texans hire Nick Caserio, a well-known long time friend of JE.
There's a lot to left to speculate on. Only the players themselves know how the season was for them behind closed doors. But it's not hard to figure out it wasn't a cohesive environment when routinely players would complain about other players to the media. That's not good and JJ Watt couldn't wait to get out of that locker room.
I'm not going after Watson with both barrels blazing like some, although I have been a bit frustrated at Watson. But I don't know how bad it was and is in that organization. I believe it's a highly dysfunctional environment, just based upon the turnover and the things some of the players have said. NFL franchises are no different than any other organization in that when the culture goes sour, employees start looking for the exits.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Well if he loved playing for Bill O'Brien then he's even more of a **** for brains loser than I thought and we'd be better off going in a different direction anyway.
And it's not up to him who "walks the halls with power they don't think they should have." If that's the case, the sense of entitlement is pretty strong.
And it's not up to him who "walks the halls with power they don't think they should have." If that's the case, the sense of entitlement is pretty strong.
My thoughts exactly. Cal was about as natural as Biden while reading the prompter. Wish the press had the power to demand a presser with Easterby, before players come to spring training. If not, he'll probably pull out his pipe and lead them down to Jonestown !