DW4 staying or going?

[maverick512000]

Antagonist reply:

That sounds great but in the same token, this is MY career and I have proven that I am willing to do everything within me to help this team win. So far the management has failed to do their part. The decisions that have been made have not worked, so I have no faith or trust that anything will be different with new people because the root of the decision making is the same.

Management wants to regain trust and show good faith? It starts with removing JE from the organization. Coaches always have good intent and we as players follow instruction as given so Culley is not a factor in my decision.

I'm not enthused about a rebuild, talk to me about how you're going to fix the personnel issues on the team.

Here are the list of teams I willing to waive my no trade clause to facilitate a trade, you can negotiate max value with them.

Future communications are to be made through my agent.

Answer.

You signed a contract, we are trying to put the best product we can on the field but no where in your contract does it say anything about winning a championship or even games.

It’s not your business or place to dictate who is and is not in the front office, if you have issues or concerns we have resources and methods to address those and none of them are Twitter or failing to meet your contractual obligations.

I don’t think you understand what waiving your NTC means. If you give us a list of teams that’s not waiving your NTC so either you truly waive it and we will see what market is, you fulfill your contractual obligations, pay all fine as required by the CBA or we can take this to court. I suggest before you choose that last one you consult with an actual lawyer and not your agent about what your legal recourse actually is.

Understand also even if you do waive your NTC the Texans are under no obligations to trade you if we feel we are not getting sufficient value.

Last thing DeShaun as a friend I would suggest you think long and hard about something. You’re right it is your career and not your agents. He’ll get his cut no matters what happens but if this gets nasty you will be the one out all the money and if it gets really nasty then it will be your career that circles the drain. You don’t want that, we don’t want that but if you keep forcing our hand that’s how this will end.

 

[powda]

Answer.

You signed a contract, we are trying to put the best product we can on the field but no where in your contract does it say anything about winning a championship or even games.

It’s not your business or place to dictate who is and is not in the front office, if you have issues or concerns we have resources and methods to address those and none of them are Twitter or failing to meet your contractual obligations.

I don’t think you understand what waiving your NTC means. If you give us a list of teams that’s not waiving your NTC so either you truly waive it and we will see what market is, you fulfill your contractual obligations, pay all fine as required by the CBA or we can take this to court. I suggest before you choose that last one you consult with an actual lawyer and not your agent about what your legal recourse actually is.

Understand also even if you do waive your NTC the Texans are under no obligations to trade you if we feel we are not getting sufficient value.

Last thing DeShaun as a friend I would suggest you think long and hard about something. You’re right it is your career and not your agents. He’ll get his cut no matters what happens but if this gets nasty you will be the one out all the money and if it gets really nasty then it will be your career that circles the drain. You don’t want that, we don’t want that but if you keep forcing our hand that’s how this will end.

To standoff'ish.

I can see the Texans doing something absolutely ridiculous being as how its valentines day. Easterby will probably send dw a heart shaped box of chocolates.

 

[maverick512000]

To standoff'ish.

I can see the Texans doing something absolutely ridiculous being as how its valentines day. Easterby will probably send dw a heart shaped box of chocolates.

Honestly, and many won’t believe this and maybe it’s wishful thinking but I get the impression that Caserio might have sat Easterby down. Just the story is to hot and horses to far from the barn to stop it now.

 

[TheMatrix31]

Wow that Deshaun Watson seems like a swell dude.

 

[badboy]

He might head back to Mexico to avoid cold. Plus this winter weather is bad also.

 

[KoolAid Sipper]

While I agree, I think this hard line approach will further alienate him. It all seems silly to me, but I think NFL players have started to smell themselves (a saying of my grandma). It can loosely be seen with Ramsey, Watson, Stafford, Wilson, etc. Their contract situations may be/have been different but players are wanting to get a lil too involved in things that are the responsibility of others.

@maverick512000

You signed a contract, we are trying to put the best product we can on the field but no where in your contract does it say anything about winning a championship or even games. No where in my contract does it say I have to give my best to the team either.

It’s not your business or place to dictate who is and is not in the front office, if you have issues or concerns we have resources and methods to address those and none of them are Twitter or failing to meet your contractual obligations. I have brought my concerns to leadership and nothing has changed. First to the HC/GM and he was fired but the team still sucked and then to the CEO who lied to me.

I don’t think you understand what waiving your NTC means. If you give us a list of teams that’s not waiving your NTC so either you truly waive it and we will see what market is, you fulfill your contractual obligations, pay all fine as required by the CBA or we can take this to court. I suggest before you choose that last one you consult with an actual lawyer and not your agent about what your legal recourse actually is. I'm negotiating on my no trade clause, I'm not going to abandon it completely for you to gain increased leverage.

Understand also even if you do waive your NTC the Texans are under no obligations to trade you if we feel we are not getting sufficient value. Best believe if I negotiate provisions of my no trade clause it will include that I will be traded within X time. Arbitration as per the new CBA can intervene even if the commissioner disapproves the terms.

Last thing DeShaun as a friend I would suggest you think long and hard about something. You’re right it is your career and not your agents. He’ll get his cut no matters what happens but if this gets nasty you will be the one out all the money and if it gets really nasty then it will be your career that circles the drain. You don’t want that, we don’t want that but if you keep forcing our hand that’s how this will end. Fine me you if you wish, but my agent has told informed me that my signing bonus is not in jeopardy because it was earned when I signed the extension and the new league starts in March (nothing to be fined for at this point)...as per the new CBA salary earned can't be forfeited. As far training camp and the season, those fines are paid by my forfeitable salary allocation.

 

[FireBOB]

we are trying to put the best product we can on the field

This fallacy is likely why we are where we are. I suspect if that was truly the priority, Watson and DHop would be suiting up as Texans.

I don't like the way Watson is handling this one bit, but he wouldn't be doing it if we were run like a competitive NFL franchise rather than a weird happy-clappy club that values cultural obedience above talent.

 

[maverick512000]

While I agree, I think this hard line approach will further alienate him. It all seems silly to me, but I think NFL players have started to smell themselves (a saying of my grandma). It can loosely be seen with Ramsey, Watson, Stafford, Wilson, etc. Their contract situations may be/have been different but players are wanting to get a lil too involved in things that are the responsibility of others.

Agreed but he is taking a hard line approach so what else can they do. I agree NFL players are getting to full of themselves, I blame the NBA personally.

No where in my contract does it say I have to give my best to the team either. You’re right it doesn’t but it’s your legacy and your career and there are penalties hat can be levied on a player failing to play to standards. Ask yourself this as well, what team will trust a QB that that throws a game no matter how talented?

I have brought my concerns to leadership and nothing has changed. First to the HC/GM and he was fired but the team still sucked and then to the CEO who lied to me. You weren’t lied to, Cal asked for your input and he considered it just like he considered all other input he received. I’m sorry if there was a misunderstanding about the meaning of input. As far as the team “sucking” ,as you put it, we can’t control what happens on the field once the game starts. Fuller and Roby being suspended put us all on the back foot. Besides need I remind you DeShaun you didn’t want any of the current team traded. We can’t magically make players more talented and we have replaced the entire coaching staff minus he one person you praised. What more could we have done?

I'm negotiating on my no trade clause, I'm not going to abandon it completely for you to gain increased leverage. Then that ties our hands because we can’t get proper value except from very few teams and even then for an unprecedented amount. We have to think of the team as a whole and what you are basically asking is that we sink the entire team for the next 5 years so you can have a great career. How is that fair to Culley, Kelly, Lovie or any of your team mates. You realize this will be Culley’s one chance to finally be a HC after being held back for 27 years and now you want to sink that for him?

Best believe if I negotiate provisions of my no trade clause it will include that I will be traded within X time. Arbitration as per the new CBA can intervene even if the commissioner disapproves the terms. We have to agree to take it to arbitration and not the courts. This is typically done to not create a media circus and quietly handle things. So tell me DeShaun what do we have to lose by taking to the courts seeing as we are already being dragged through the mud.

Fine me you if you wish, but my agent has told informed me that my signing bonus is not in jeopardy because it was earned when I signed the extension and the new league starts in March (nothing to be fined for at this point)...as per the new CBA salary earned can't be forfeited. As far training camp and the season, those fines are paid by my forfeitable salary allocation. Might want to get a different agent then, you’re not yet on the new contract you are still on your rookie contract. Your new contract takes affect after the new CBA does. It’s also not just the fines we can and are required to levy you also lose an accrued season on your retirement. Again DeShaun we may, at worst, take a one year hit but you could end up losing out on the vast majority of your contract. I again suggest you talk to an actual lawyer without your agent.

 

[maverick512000]

This fallacy is likely why we are where we are. I suspect if that was truly the priority, Watson and DHop would be suiting up as Texans.

I don't like the way Watson is handling this one bit, but he wouldn't be doing it if we were run like a competitive NFL franchise rather than a weird happy-clappy club that values cultural obedience above talent.

Funny considering without Hopkins Watson has his best career year ever. You blame the current coaches and GM for what the previous ones did. How about giving Caserio and Culley a chance before saying they aren’t trying.

Oh by the way Watson signed that new contract after Hopkins was traded.

 

[FireBOB]

Funny considering without Hopkins Watson has his best career year ever. You blame the current coaches and GM for what the previous ones did. How about giving Caserio and Culley a chance before saying they aren’t trying.

Oh by the way Watson signed that new contract after Hopkins was traded.

Culley is blameless in this, and I wish him well. The problems have been latent since the team's inception but took a significant wrong turn in April 2019. The full ramifications of Cal falling under Easterby's spell didn't materialize until the Caserio hiring, which coincides with Watson's meltdown.

 

[maverick512000]

Culley is blameless in this, and I wish him well. The problems have been latent since the team's inception but took a significant wrong turn in April 2019. The full ramifications of Cal falling under Easterby's spell didn't materialize until the Caserio hiring, which coincides with Watson's meltdown.

And what ramifications are those? The firing of Gaine which was for HR reasons? The making OB GM which was a bad move but far from the only bad GM hire in NFL history. The trading of Hopkins which was mainly bad because of the compensation we got for him. The hiring of a guy that on paper is one of the most qualified GM candidates in the NFL and by far the most qualified Texans have ever had. Which ramifications do you mean?

 

[FireBOB]

And what ramifications are those? The hiring of a guy that on paper is one of the most qualified GM candidates in the NFL and by far the most qualified Texans have ever had.

That they value cultural fit over talent. Easterby's eleventh hour intervention in the Caserio hiring is well documented elsewhere on this forum, and I see no point in regurgitating it.

I wish Caserio well, let's hope he turns out to be a decent GM.

 

[steelbtexan]

Antagonist reply:

That sounds great but in the same token, this is MY career and I have proven that I am willing to do everything within me to help this team win. So far the management has failed to do their part. The decisions that have been made have not worked, so I have no faith or trust that anything will be different with new people because the root of the decision making is the same.

Management wants to regain trust and show good faith? It starts with removing JE from the organization. Coaches always have good intent and we as players follow instruction as given so Culley is not a factor in my decision.

I'm not enthused about a rebuild, talk to me about how you're going to fix the personnel issues on the team.

Here are the list of teams I willing to waive my no trade clause to facilitate a trade, you can negotiate max value with them.

Future communications are to be made through my agent.

I would also add that DW4 also could add in my GF wants to become a model and since I'm being lead around by my pecker she said she's got better career opportunities in NY/Mia. Plus the marketing opportunities are better there.

 

[maverick512000]

That they value cultural fit over talent. Easterby's eleventh hour intervention in the Caserio hiring is well documented elsewhere on this forum, and I see no point in regurgitating it.

I wish Caserio well, let's hope he turns out to be a decent GM.

It’s also been debunked elsewhere in this forum.

 

[FireBOB]

It’s also been debunked elsewhere in this forum.

I'd like to see that, could you point me in the right direction please?

 

[SnakeEyes]

As I've said elsewhere, April 5 will determine a lot.

Your right. And I don't know but I'm pretty sure that they have not traded him yet for a single reason. That they are waiting for the draft to IMO get a better haul.

 

[SnakeEyes]

I'd like to see that, could you point me in the right direction please?

For one, Bob McNair was after Nick before he passed. Then last year the team got hit with tampering charges... going after Nick. Easterby actually has very little if anything to do with it. Nick also is/was one of the top 2 maybe 3 best personal guys available. And could possibly be a top 5 GM IF he gets a chance with Cal and Easterby staying out of the choices he makes. Will they is the only thing to wonder about...

 

[SnakeEyes]

Delete double post

 

[maverick512000]

I'd like to see that, could you point me in the right direction please?

There’s a search function, just look under those “well documented” posts you talked about. It’s been debunked both by members on here and Pancakes talked about it to. Even the national media has dropped that talking point.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

I’d sit him down, acknowledge his issue & tell him he’s got every reason to be upset. But explain it’s a new day, I’m (Nick Caserio) here.

Cal is Cal, he’s the boss. He’s got his vision for the team, you (Watson) have yours. My job is to make them work together. & that’s the way it’s going to be no matter where you go.

Here’s our HC, David Culley. He made an impression on me when I entered the league. You made an impression on me as well. The things you’ve said & done got me thinking about David Culley.

Like I said, great guy, great coach. But no one has ever given him a shot. This thing you talk about that’s so prevalent in our society, in the NFL has been an obstacle to men like him for a long time.

He’s a great coach, a great human being. Check him out. Listen to the coaches he’s coached with, the players he’s coached. He’s got a champion’s heart. He just needs a chance.

We need you to give him a chance.

.......or waive your NTC so we can get you the duck out of here. Maybe a little elevator music would help take some of the sting out of that statement. Nonetheless, Watson has to be 100% committed to the Texans or it's going to be a waste of everyone's time.

 

[thunderkyss]

I don't like the way Watson is handling this one bit, but he wouldn't be doing it if we were run like a competitive NFL franchise rather than a weird happy-clappy club that values cultural obedience above talent.

All NFL clubs have their issues.

There haven’t been any “character” addition/subtractions to the team since Hopkins was traded. Hard to believe that’s his problem when he signed after & there really hasn’t been a chance to show change since Caserio was hired.

Caserio has an opportunity to say, “I agree with you, these clowns are jacked. But I was hired to handle the things they’ve shown to be incompetent at.”

Yes, Palcic is gone, Rootes is gone, the equipment guy is gone... but none of that is about winning & losing games. None of that has got this team to a Super Bowl. So pay it no never mind. Keep our eyes on the football. Watch what Caserio does in the draft. Watch what he does in FA.

Bear in mind, there will be some cuts to the team. It won’t be about “character” it won’t be about “friends” it’s about business & putting the best team around Watson. (that should be part of Caserio’s pitch).

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Maybe it's time for Cal and Caserio to draw a line in the sand and put an end to this little hissy fit.

Since he doesn't want to pick up the phone and everything "Watson" is playing out in the media. Then via the media, the Texans should make an announcement that Deshaun Watson has until COB on, xx/xx/xxxx to arrive at the Kirby complex. The team will need to include in their public message, if you forgo the meeting then the team will be left no other course of action but to treat this as 'Conduct Detrimental To The Team" and sit you for the 2021 season with no pay. Then stick to the guns if he no-shows. A season out of football and no money coming in, while bills come each and every month, can quickly teach a young man what life could be like away from the financial security of playing football in the NFL.

If he does show and informs the team he'd rather sit for 2021 season than suit up for the Texans going forward......just a simple reply from Cal and Caserio should be, just waive your "No Trade Clause" and we'll have you out of here before you can pack your things. Then make it happen. No caving.....just business.

 

[thunderkyss]

I'm negotiating on my no trade clause, I'm not going to abandon it completely for you to gain increased leverage. Then that ties our hands because we can’t get proper value except from very few teams and even then for an unprecedented amount.

I’d also remind him of the $27M he was just given, & the $26M cap hit the Texans will incur to facilitate the trade. There’s no way we can invest that much without an equivalent return.

Watson’s play for the next 3 to 5 years, or substantial compensation from the team he’s being traded to. Makes me no difference. It’s business.

 

[thunderkyss]

I would also add that DW4 also could add in my GF wants to become a model and since I'm being lead around by my pecker she said she's got better career opportunities in NY/Mia. Plus the marketing opportunities are better there.

If she wanted to be a model, why isn’t she already in Miami, LA, or NY? Did she all of a sudden realize she was in the wrong place?

 

[Earl34]

Antagonist reply:

That sounds great but in the same token, this is MY career and I have proven that I am willing to do everything within me to help this team win. So far the management has failed to do their part. The decisions that have been made have not worked, so I have no faith or trust that anything will be different with new people because the root of the decision making is the same.

Management wants to regain trust and show good faith? It starts with removing JE from the organization. Coaches always have good intent and we as players follow instruction as given so Culley is not a factor in my decision.

I'm not enthused about a rebuild, talk to me about how you're going to fix the personnel issues on the team.

Here are the list of teams I willing to waive my no trade clause to facilitate a trade, you can negotiate max value with them.

Future communications are to be made through my agent.

Looks like Joe Thomas who spent the majority of his career on terrible Browns teams agrees with your antagonist reply about management:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1357751667102515202

 

[thunderkyss]

Since he doesn't want to pick up the phone and everything "Watson" is playing out in the media. Then via the media, the Texans should make an announcement that Deshaun Watson has until COB on, xx/xx/xxxx to arrive at the Kirby complex.

no need to go through the media. They can tell his agent.

 

[TheMatrix31]

The "we value character over talent!!" crap is so far from the truth it's not even funny.

That's been a (dumb) criticism of the Texans organization since its inception, and one of the things Bill O'Brien ended up ruining WAS that whole thing. Since O'Brien was hired, our players started getting in dumb discipline-requiring situations, started getting involved in dramas and other garbage, and obviously what's been happening directly over the last couple years.

Maybe we SHOULD get back to valuing character. One of the reasons I DID fall in love with the team was because that they WEREN'T mired in the garbage that other franchises seemingly had to deal with on a constant basis. But then the Patriots garbage brigade came through and ruined all that. It's clear that picking up low character, cancerous, dumb, low IQ assholes just because they can ball out or because they have some sort of "management" or "character" reputation hasn't worked at ******* all.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

no need to go through the media. They can tell his agent.

Is his agent picking up the phone?

 

[OptimisticTexan]

The "we value character over talent!!" crap is so far from the truth it's not even funny.

That's been a (dumb) criticism of the Texans organization since its inception, and one of the things Bill O'Brien ended up ruining WAS that whole thing. Since O'Brien was hired, our players started getting in dumb discipline-requiring situations, started getting involved in dramas and other garbage, and obviously what's been happening directly over the last couple years.

Maybe we SHOULD get back to valuing character. One of the reasons I DID fall in love with the team was because that they WEREN'T mired in the garbage that other franchises seemingly had to deal with on a constant basis. But then the Patriots garbage brigade came through and ruined all that. It's clear that picking up low character, cancerous, dumb, low IQ assholes just because they can ball out or because they have some sort of "management" or "character" reputation hasn't worked at ******* all.

The next thing you know......ducking Easterby will one up the letterman jackets with the requirement of "Texans Purity Rings" at the signing of contracts and throw in a new baptism for good measure. Easterby will want to really drive home the message of, "girls are the debels!!!!!!"

 

[Mr teX]

Would you rather get trade him for pennies on the dollar before this yrs draft, or tank in 2021 and get a high pick of your own in 2022, then trade DW4 for a bounty and basically control the 2022 draft?

the only way the FO loses in this situation is if they succumb to the media pressure and trade him for peanuts...which will ramp up again more and more as the season approaches...that’s it. We were gonna suck with or without him anyway and picking at a minimum in the top 10 in the 2022 draft. And if we wind up trading him and we get close to getting what we should, we’ll be sitting prettier in the 2022 draft than we would without trading him. So for me it’s really simple for the FO.

If he doesn’t show up April 5th and it’s apparent that he won’t play then you really have to do what’s best for the org long term...& that’s not trading him for pennies on the dollar just to alleviate “the distraction” issue. At the very least, we have to get a good enough deal that’s somewhat close to his value...& we can’t let him dictate what that deal is either. Right now he’s basically been playing the silent game and not even communicating HIMSELF to the FO what his issues are and it’s easy to “stand your ground” when you’re not facing any consequences. The question is will his resolve remain as steadfast when he does begin to face consequences with his money and some of his prime playing years/time. The bottom line for me is if we’re gonna hurt, then he has to hurt some too.

if he doesn’t want to see any of those consequences, he can either suit up for the Texans....or he can start by waving his no trade clause and begin letting Caserio work the phones for viable deals.

 

[maverick512000]

Looks like Joe Thomas who spent the majority of his career on terrible Browns teams agrees with your antagonist reply about management:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1357751667102515202

And we care what Joe Thomas has to say because....? Look every player that was on a bad team is going to support Watson but none of them was willing to give up their big money, whatever that was at the time, contract to go to a championship team instead.

If the salary cap didn’t exist then yeah you can have big contracts and championships at the same time. Of course only the Panthers would have those championships.

 

[thunderkyss]

the only way the FO loses in this situation is if they succumb to the media pressure and trade him for peanuts...

They’ll have to suspend him. Find a reason that works in the CBA. Otherwise they run the risk of him playing hurt like Jalen Ramsey after putting in the minimum 6 games.

 

[steelbtexan]

If she wanted to be a model, why isn’t she already in Miami, LA, or NY? Did she all of a sudden realize she was in the wrong place?

Difference between a wanna be vs I got this.

 

[steelbtexan]

the only way the FO loses in this situation is if they succumb to the media pressure and trade him for peanuts...which will ramp up again more and more as the season approaches...that’s it. We were gonna suck with or without him anyway and picking at a minimum in the top 10 in the 2022 draft. And if we wind up trading him and we get close to getting what we should, we’ll be sitting prettier in the 2022 draft than we would without trading him. So for me it’s really simple for the FO.

If he doesn’t show up April 5th and it’s apparent that he won’t play then you really have to do what’s best for the org long term...& that’s not trading him for pennies on the dollar just to alleviate “the distraction” issue. At the very least, we have to get a good enough deal that’s somewhat close to his value...& we can’t let him dictate what that deal is either. Right now he’s basically been playing the silent game and not even communicating HIMSELF to the FO what his issues are and it’s easy to “stand your ground” when you’re not facing any consequences. The question is will his resolve remain as steadfast when he does begin to face consequences with his money and some of his prime playing years/time. The bottom line for me is if we’re gonna hurt, then he has to hurt some too.

if he doesn’t want to see any of those consequences, he can either suit up for the Texans....or he can start by waving his no trade clause and begin letting Caserio work the phones for viable deals.

If I'm Caserio I stand my ground and take the heat from the media.

 

[Corrosion]

Fine me you if you wish, but my agent has told informed me that my signing bonus is not in jeopardy because it was earned when I signed the extension and the new league starts in March (nothing to be fined for at this point)...as per the new CBA salary earned can't be forfeited. As far training camp and the season, those fines are paid by my forfeitable salary allocation.

To this part - He hasn't "earned" the signing bonus money. Not a cent of it.

That's money earned over the course of his extension which .... begins in 2022. He's still playing out his first contract.

He'll give that $27m back if push comes to shove.

Also the team could suspend him for "conduct detrimental to the team" .... which would void ALL guaranteed money in the contract yet he'd still be under the terms of the contract.

Watson is playing with fire.

 

[Corrosion]

Maybe it's time for Cal and Caserio to draw a line in the sand and put an end to this little hissy fit.

Since he doesn't want to pick up the phone and everything "Watson" is playing out in the media. Then via the media, the Texans should make an announcement that Deshaun Watson has until COB on, xx/xx/xxxx to arrive at the Kirby complex. The team will need to include in their public message, if you forgo the meeting then the team will be left no other course of action but to treat this as 'Conduct Detrimental To The Team" and sit you for the 2021 season with no pay. Then stick to the guns if he no-shows. A season out of football and no money coming in, while bills come each and every month, can quickly teach a young man what life could be like away from the financial security of playing football in the NFL.

If he does show and informs the team he'd rather sit for 2021 season than suit up for the Texans going forward......just a simple reply from Cal and Caserio should be, just waive your "No Trade Clause" and we'll have you out of here before you can pack your things. Then make it happen. No caving.....just business.

I believe the max they can suspend him is 6 games.

This is critical should he sit out and show up at the last possible moment. The team can suspend him to prevent the accruement of the season if he tries to show up for games 11-16.

If he holds out , the team holds all the cards .... That agent of his is doing him a great disservice.

 

[Corrosion]

Looks like Joe Thomas who spent the majority of his career on terrible Browns teams agrees with your antagonist reply about management:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1357751667102515202

Then you'd have to write the impossible into contracts .... totally unrealistic in a league where there is one winner and 31 losers.

 

[Earl34]

If she wanted to be a model, why isn’t she already in Miami, LA, or NY? Did she all of a sudden realize she was in the wrong place?

Shh.. Don't let logic get in the way of a pointless narrative. I guess someone needs to tell Kate Upton living in Houston with Verlander will limit her modeling and acting opportunities.

 

[steelbtexan]

Shh.. Don't let logic get in the way of a pointless narrative. I guess someone needs to tell Kate Upton living in Houston with Verlander will limit her modeling and acting opportunities.

Big difference between when your trying to make it vs having already made it on the modeling scene.

 

[maverick512000]

Shh.. Don't let logic get in the way of a pointless narrative. I guess someone needs to tell Kate Upton living in Houston with Verlander will limit her modeling and acting opportunities.

Upton is at the level people come to her or at worst fly her to wherever is needed. To compare the two is laughable.

That being said I think it’s less his GF and more his agent. The guy is trying to set himself up as the Don King of football and Watson and/or the Texans will pay the price for it.

 

[Lucky]

Ok so then how would you fix it?

Fix this? I would have never had this happen in the first place.

The more I think of where this organization is, the more I think there needs to be 3 new hires. Yes, a new GM and HC. But above them, there needs to be a real head honcho. A buffer between the team and ownership. A real football guy that knows what he's doing and has the gravitas to lead a winning organization. Like a Tex Schramm was for the Cowboys back in the day.

Both the GM and HC report to Head Honcho. No power struggles. No politics. No interference from the McNairs. If the McNairs are serious about winning (and making $$$), and not using this franchise as a hobby, this is the way to go.

That was number 1. That was what Watson was referring to in his post season presser.

1. Say goodbye to Preacher Jack.
2. Hire Eric Bieniemy as HC
3. Make sure he can bring in any assistant he wants, regardless of cost
4. Overhaul the scouting department. If Dorsey doesn’t get a GM gig and bring him in to run personnel.
5. Let JJ find a trade he’s happy with. Need that cap space.
6. Say bye to the RBs Johnson.
7. Roby, Fulton, McKinney, Kelemete, Murray...happy trails.
8. Nick Martin, it’s been real. Just not real good.
9. Get on the phone and find deals in FA. Will have to backend some deals.
10. No vets on the backend of the roster. I need as many rookie contracts as I can get. Hit UDFA with a vengeance.
11. Get ready for mini camp and watch the waiver wire. With the # 3 priority on waivers, I should pick up a few guys that can play.

That was the next 11 steps.

Well, we're way past that, now. We have the 4 stooges in charge. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

 

[steelbtexan]

Fix this? I would have never had this happen in the first place.


That was number 1. That was what Watson was referring to in his post season presser.

That was the next 11 steps.

Well, we're way past that, now. We have the 4 stooges in charge. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

You forgot the 12th commandment.

Anything DW4 wants DW4 gets.

BTW, I agree with most of your points.

 

[Corrosion]

He'll sit out all but the last 6 games of the season just to make sure he gets season credit.

And then, in classic Houston sports tragedy fashion, he'll sustain a major injury thusly destroying whatever trade value he had.

If he tries that the team can suspend him .... and that suspension would come with the team being able to void the guarantees in his contract - he'd still be under contract and still be able to earn those former guarantees but if he got injured .... those guarantees aren't guaranteed anymore.

His agent is playing with fire.

I think he still forfeits his salary for games he sits out but would get credit towards the season eating away one year of his new contract.

Negative.

He not only forfeits salary for games missed but he has to be "available" for at least 6 games to accrue a season. If he sat out the first 10 the team can suspend him for up to 6 - each incident.

He won't get credit for a season by sitting out any length of time.

 

[Mr teX]

Fix this? I would have never had this happen in the first place.


That was number 1. That was what Watson was referring to in his post season presser.

That was the next 11 steps.

Well, we're way past that, now. We have the 4 stooges in charge. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

youre making the assumption that there was anything that COULD’VE been done to prevent it. I mean we don’t know what Cal actually told him other than he’d have input........on the HC hire & he did, but the rumor is all this was set in motion after THE GM hire. So why all of a sudden did he flip the switch over something so trivial that he wasn’t even expected to have a say in?

and even if the stories about Easterby contacting his mom are true...I believe that happened during the season. So again, why wait until after the Caserio hire to express displeasure and the desire to be traded? It’s just all too calculating imo.

 

[maverick512000]

Fix this? I would have never had this happen in the first place.


That was number 1. That was what Watson was referring to in his post season presser.

That was the next 11 steps.

Well, we're way past that, now. We have the 4 stooges in charge. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

So you want to go back to the RS, OB and McNair set up when you had a GM, HC and then someone over them. Ok, cool, personally I prefer the traditional set up of the GM is the head honcho and you don’t have a power struggle because he is the power.

On that note not sure why there would be a power struggle because Caserio hired Culley. I guess neither of them is a “real football guy” then? Odd considering Caserio has one of the best resumes of any GM candidate and Culley is a 27 year NFL vet working with some of the biggest names in the business. So what makes someone a real football guy?

To your other 11 points no they didn’t fire Easterby but if he’s not making any decisions who cares. If one person being there is enough for Watson to throw this kind of tantrum then even if they do fire him how long before his next temper tantrum?

No they didn’t hire EB but guess what, neither has any other team for 3 years. I asked before if it was any other field where a guy can’t get a job at any company he interviews for is it because all those companies are wrong or is it because the candidate is wrong?

They did bring in any assistants Culley has wanted and assemble a very impressive staff actually. The only odd ball out is Kelly and guess why he’s still there. Something tells me scouting department overhaul is next.

Likewise they cut JJ to give him the best chance they can while helping the team best they can.

As for points 7-11 they might have done all this if there wasn’t a huge distraction they have to deal with right now.

Thing is though you didn’t answer my question. You said you would never be in this mess well frankly that’s BS. We don’t know what set Watson off and the best theories are all things that he has no business caring about.

So again I ask you how would you fix this mess considering you have a player that’s just signed one of the biggest contracts in history and now he won’t even take your phone calls.

 

[Corrosion]

Now imagine Watson does not agree to be traded to a team with a top ten pick in 2021.

Some guy came on 610 saying Watson has a list of teams he would consider. The Jets are definitely not on the list & Miami is not high on the list.

Many look at this with the best scenario in Houston’s favor. But reality is not going to be that way.

If Watson waves the NTC because he wants out, maybe we can see a trade before the draft. But if his preferred destination is San Francisco I wouldn’t expect that to happen.

If his preferred destination can't pony up the goods then the team won't trade him.

If he wants out , it's not going to be to a team of his choosing that can't offer up a competitive compensation package .... the franchise would be better off holding his feet to the fire than giving him up for any fraction of the potential return.

He can shove that NTC .... right up his keister.

 

[Mr teX]

So you want to go back to the RS, OB and McNair set up when you had a GM, HC and then someone over them. Ok, cool, personally I prefer the traditional set up of the GM is the head honcho and you don’t have a power struggle because he is the power.

On that note not sure why there would be a power struggle because Caserio hired Culley. I guess neither of them is a “real football guy” then? Odd considering Caserio has one of the best resumes of any GM candidate and Culley is a 27 year NFL vet working with some of the biggest names in the business. So what makes someone a real football guy?

To your other 11 points no they didn’t fire Easterby but if he’s not making any decisions who cares. If one person being there is enough for Watson to throw this kind of tantrum then even if they do fire him how long before his next temper tantrum?

No they didn’t hire EB but guess what, neither has any other team for 3 years. I asked before if it was any other field where a guy can’t get a job at any company he interviews for is it because all those companies are wrong or is it because the candidate is wrong?

They did bring in any assistants Culley has wanted and assemble a very impressive staff actually. The only odd ball out is Kelly and guess why he’s still there. Something tells me scouting department overhaul is next.

Likewise they cut JJ to give him the best chance they can while helping the team best they can.

As for points 7-11 they might have done all this if there wasn’t a huge distraction they have to deal with right now.

Thing is though you didn’t answer my question. You said you would never be in this mess well frankly that’s BS. We don’t know what set Watson off and the best theories are all things that he has no business caring about.

So again I ask you how would you fix this mess considering you have a player that’s just signed one of the biggest contracts in history and now he won’t even take your phone calls.

and although his situation is very different and he was likely going to be released anyway, JJ still did it the right way. He came in himself, sat down & actually talked with Cal & Caserio. He then took it a step further and addressed the fans via video.

DW4 to date has yet to do any of that and no one really knows what’s his deal. He’s been just sitting back and leveraging his popularity with the fans, former and current players and media..trying to exert pressure on the FO.

 

[Corrosion]

and although his situation is very different and he was likely going to be released anyway, JJ still did it the right way. He came in himself, sat down & actually talked with Cal & Caserio. He then took it a step further and addressed the fans via video.

DW4 to date has yet to do any of that and no one really knows what’s his deal. He’s been just sitting back and leveraging his popularity with the fans, former and current players and media..trying to exert pressure on the FO.

He's quickly losing that fan support .... ghosting the team is one thing , the fans is another.

 

[Thorn]

He's quickly losing that fan support .... ghosting the team is one thing , the fans is another.

At this point he either needs to come back, apologize, and swear allegiance to the Texans flag; or make a public statement about his position, one of the two. This keeping silent crap isn't going to work out well for him.

 

[Corrosion]

At this point he either needs to come back, apologize, and swear allegiance to the Texans flag; or make a public statement about his position, one of the two. This keeping silent crap isn't going to work out well for him.

Even guys like @Texansballer74 who has been his biggest defender have said .... screw that guy.