Again, I don’t want to trade him. I’m not going to trade him unless I get what I want. It’s going to have to get a lot uglier than it has so far.
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Should we trade Watson?
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SnakeEyes
Under NRG
That's true, I just tossed in some numbers that would indicate just how tied up in Houston he is. That is if we don't trade him.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
No question, even if traded we are going to see some very messy things happen. Back stabbing and saying you want traded are just the start.
You think the situation is salvageable??
Texansballer74
The Marine
This is why I believe this crap was staged Maverick ahead of time. Watson and his agent are full of it and I’m surprised the talking heads in the sports world hasn’t caught on to it. Joe and Brett are the only two who has spoken up for the NFL and called Watson out on it. And in my community quite a few are saying these two are wrong and this is not the old NFL and they need to embrace change.
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I tend to agree about the involvement thing being overblown.. certainly in terms of the idea that Watson is upset he didn't get his personal pick of GM or HC.
Just how I've heard/see/read the info it appears the front office - Cal in particular - had gone to DW and asked for his 2 cents on the direction of things this offseason, probably ranging from all manner of things like the GM search, the HC search, the culture, etc. DW was told he'd be kept in the loop and up to date on these things, unlike finding out about the DHop trade through social, and the last he'd heard was they were looking into the Korn Ferry list - a list I'm just guessing Watson may have found promising. Next thing he knows the Texans have hired a new GM and it's no one from the list, and he found out once again through social, and it's a guy connected at the hip to the guy he's seen as the culture problem throughout this last horrific season.
'Some things never change..'
Should that be enough to say to hell with this I'm out? Idk, it may not be for some, for some it might. But for this one in particular, who's been as connected as anyone on the planet to the situation, it appears it was.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I agree,
I'm not surprised the talking heads haven't caught on or if they have they aren't speaking about it because young, hotshot QB vs the billionaire team owner hiring his friends makes a great underdog story. Plus these different sports casters want to be in good with the players so they can get them for interviews and "inside scoops" they know the teams are always going to toe the line so they have to get dirt from the players.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I see your point and do agree with you but I also see a couple of contradictions. Pancakes said that Korn Kerry was told to keep Caserio off the list because Cal already knew everything he needed to know and was just covering all his bases. Now someone might not believe pancakes and that is completely fair but it does make sense why he was left off the list. Caserio was more qualified than all but one of the canidates on the list so either they are really bad at their jobs or they left him off on purpose. Assuming its the latter I find it hard to believe Watson was shown the list and told "this is who we are looking at" with no mention of Caserio. As far as him finding out on social media he went down to Cabo and from what I read no one could get ahold of him so what were the Texans suppose to do, freeze operations until he could get back? I'm honestly not even sure I buy that he has a problem with Easterby since, as Double Barrel put in his sig, he thanked him by name. Why do that if you have a long term issue with the guy? Though to be fair he named a lot of people that he apparently has an issue with so I don't know what to believe.
All I know that as great a talent as Watson is his current actions are doing more harm than good and its hard to buy the "he's sticking up for the team" narrative, I know you aren't saying that but members of the media are, when nothing he is doing will help the team in anyway.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Maverick you’re spot on here. He needs to take a page from Rodgers. He came out publicly last season to express his frustration with the Packers. Once he got it off his chest, he went to work and his team went deep into the playoffs. When the media started spewing Rodgers displeasure after the playoffs loss, he quickly came out and refuted their nonsense. Watson needs to be a freaking man and stop hiding behind social media and his agent.
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I'm arriving at the same conclusion regarding the September 2020 contract being just part of an bigger picture strategy. It makes sense when you consider the agent and his history.
Deshaun was simply not sincere about it, IMO. This franchise was already stupid before he signed the contract. Nuk had been shipped off earlier in the year. Easterby was already spewing platitudes in the locker-room by that point. They had already given O'Brien the GM job. Multiple first round picks were already given away for Tunsil to cover their mishandling of Brown. The list goes on and on.
I think the talking heads are ultimately self-serving. They love this drama in the off-season, to the point of feeding nonsense and injecting pure babble into the story. Then they regurgitate each other's takes while offering nothing new or substantial to the mix. Guys like Mike Florio are all about getting clicks and views, so he continues to ramble on with this nonsense like he's got insider sources - easy to hide your opinion behind "anonymous sources" - and there is no integrity or accountability in modern media. The media is now the fat man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz.
Yep. By all accounts and understandable, Rodgers was pissed last year when they picked a QB in the first round. But he expressed his thoughts, and then moved on and got to work for the 2020 season. That's a professional. He had a lot more beef for that situation than butthurt feelings about being left out of a GM search and some emails to mama from preacher man.
I could certainly see Cal not even mentioning Caserio to Watson. For one - it's Cal, for two - he may have just been placating Watson. Not saying either are absolutely true, just that I don't think it's all that unlikely that Cal was just wanting to keep his star qb feeling important and managed to not cover all of his bases, mostly because he doesn't know where all the bases are kept.
As far as finding out on social I doubt DW was blocking texts or personal messages from Cal, just not answering or returning calls. If they sent Watson a message saying it was urgent and about the GM search and he still didn't return anything and they then announced the hiring then fair enough on them and he shouldn't be upset about that. But I don't find it hard to believe with this bumbling (dis)organization that they just went ahead and announced because der da der.
The Easterby in the thanks thing I don't take a ton of stock in. He just received a huge deal and was being generally polite. And if it's to be really read into I don't think a lot of the Easterby/Rasputin stuff was becoming heavily apparent until OB was given the boot.
Ultimately I don't like what's happening just like everyone else, I just know that DW has been as chill as can be and done his job to a tee while the organization has bumbled just about everything it's touched, besides him, until now. I won't judge Watson too harshly at least until I hear him actually speak while the org. has done nothing to earn anything resembling benefit of the doubt.
I appreciate your feedback. I also haven't weighed in much on this until this back and forth, and I respect your reasonable approach, but I'm gonna just sit back and watch/wait for a while so if you put a bow on this by all means be my guest. Cheers, bud.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Agreed its all speculation and much of it is colored by our individual points of view and personal feelings regarding Cal, Watson, Easterby and the Texans as a whole. I don’t think that Watson is doing right by being silent but then I’ve never been in the national spot light either so maybe he is.
Regardless unless they get this worked out one way or the other soon I don’t see there being any real winners. Watson could take a big hit financially and get a black mark in the NFL and the Texans are getting dragged through the mud and their new GM, HC and entire coaching staff can’t do much planning for next season when they don’t even know if they have a QB or not.
I actually hope the reports of Watson not even taking their calls are untrue because nothing can be resolved when talking isn’t even on the table.
In the end all we can do is wait and as Tom Petty said that’s the hardest part.
Texansballer74
The Marine
But why the bleep do they have to send a message saying it’s urgent. That makes no freaking sense whatsoever. Your employer is calling you, therefore, you should freaking know it’s important/urgent. So answer the darn phone.
Watson knew they we’re going to hire a GM soon. He knew they’ve been going after Caserio for what 3 years. He knew as soon as he became available, he was going to be the Texans guy/GM.
Like I said this crap was planned and staged by Watson and his agent. This was the perfect time because the sports world already knew this organization was a skit show. The way they traded away Hopkins, then firing O’Brien four games into the season. Mind you both of these guys are like family to Watson. So him and his agent put a nasty plan together in attempt to get him out of Houston. The negative paint is already on the wall so the media is not going to blast off on them. They’re going to continue to pile of the negative paint on the Texans wall.
Watson knew they we’re going to hire a GM soon. He knew they’ve been going after Caserio for what 3 years. He knew as soon as he became available, he was going to be the Texans guy/GM.
Like I said this crap was planned and staged by Watson and his agent. This was the perfect time because the sports world already knew this organization was a skit show. The way they traded away Hopkins, then firing O’Brien four games into the season. Mind you both of these guys are like family to Watson. So him and his agent put a nasty plan together in attempt to get him out of Houston. The negative paint is already on the wall so the media is not going to blast off on them. They’re going to continue to pile of the negative paint on the Texans wall.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Well said, and as always, a very reasonable perspective.
I don't put a whole lot of stock in his specific thank you's on social media except for the optics of it all. Not just thanking Jack, Cal, etc., but getting over-emotional and when you read the entire thing, it's like he's in his own little Disney story come true.
How to go from all that to "I refuse to even take calls" a few months later is a disconnect that just leaves a void that the human mind wants to fill.
Idk bud, I've also read that Cal has apologized to Watson privately since the reports first came out of DW giving the team the cold shoulder..
That's why I'd personally prefer to take a wait and see what really shakes out approach over the lose my mind emotional sports fan approach.
But I also enjoy all this sports stuff more that way generally speaking anyway. Weeping just ain't a good look.
Texian
Hall of Fame
If he hadn't said all those things and been effuse with appreciation after receiving $100 million he would have been rude.
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leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Pot calling the kettle black. Favre said either they're going to trade me or give me my hat after he waffles on retirement. Then after 2 yrs, they wouldn't trade him in division and sent to the Jets. He's the last person who should be critical
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I'm testing his resolve and not trading him.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Yeah way after spending 20 years there, a Superbowl, two MVP seasons and a host of records. Dude didn’t want to be the backup either.
wildroot
Veteran
Maybe I'd just as soon let things move as they are, since we haven't heard from Watson yet, if he doesn't show up when he's supposed to, well the fines kick in. Let him sit, I wouldn't placate him. He signed on the dotted line, he needs to be here for the next 5 years. Let his ass sit! I'm about done with his prima-donna ass! We'll make do with the players we have, just like the Rockets are doing. He can sit and watch while the rest of the NFL plays, and those in charge can decide if they really want this guy...cause God forbit they have a down year! You know what, he cost us a 1st round pick, same as Jim Everette. We recovered from that. NFL is watching us right now, are we going to give in or hold our ground? I say hold our ground. Last thing I want to see is him go somewhere else and have success. He can stay here and be successful. If not, I want your 1st 3 rounds of players from round 1 thru 3 and your first born! If we trade him what's going to stop any other player from doing the same? Maybe it's for a reason other than we didn't ask their permission on our GM hire! Maybe they want to work closer to home...Maybe they want east coast, west coast? We don't need to open this door, we'll never get the genie back in the bottle if we trade him.
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wildroot
Veteran
So a no-trade clause...Its' not a "you can trade me or you can't trade me, but you get to dictate where you get traded?
I can understand allowing a player to have a NTC in their contract (for a price), But to me if you wave the NTC, you don't get a say in where you go. The choice is, you stay where your at or if you wave the NTC, we trade you where we get the best return. Dumb to allow the player to dictate where you can trade him to.
I can understand allowing a player to have a NTC in their contract (for a price), But to me if you wave the NTC, you don't get a say in where you go. The choice is, you stay where your at or if you wave the NTC, we trade you where we get the best return. Dumb to allow the player to dictate where you can trade him to.
So many assumptions here.
Watson told he would be kept in the loop... that was speculation. That he was upset because he found out about Hopkins through social media was assumed in the assumption that he was upset about whatever. I mean the Texans acted like there was no such agreement.
Watson was under the impression the hire would come from the Korn Ferry list. Why wouldn’t they have told Watson what they told McClain, that KF list was insurance if they didn’t get the guy they wanted.
Watson sees Easterby as the cultural problem. I believe there was a time when he did believe that.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not faulting you or the media, we have nothing else to go on. But some of these assumptions have come to be taken as fact & to me, it doesn’t make sense.
Reminds me of the hundreds of movies we’ve seen where the cops start with a suspect & tries to make the evidence fit.
But from my perspective, nothing makes sense. To be ok with Easterby at the signing of his contract a few weeks after being mad at Easterby for trading Hopkins.
So mad to “force your way out” instead of holding your ground like Dak is doing, like Cousins did.
This seems far more personal.
Cool bro..
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Yup. Everything we're being told is speculation. What we do know as fact is the action taken...
Cal has apologized.
Watson wants out.
I believe it would take a helleva lot more for things to get to this point then just not notifying dw caserio is the new gm. There's a f ton more about this we don't know.
I dunno if that fits your cops trying to make evidence fit narrative @thunderkyss ,but this escalated pretty damn fast. I dont buy the explanation.
I agree, over the course of the entire history of the Texans. But since 2011 they’ve been doing more things right than not, compared to their peers.
even more so since drafting Watson. First & foremost this is a business & they know that. & trading Hopkins seemed to work out pretty well on the field.
I believe Watson is mad. I just don’t think any of us know why. And without knowing why I can’t say if he’s justified or not. & it’s too easy to pile on the Texans for mistakes made going back 18 years. But Watson’s frame of reference is much smaller.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Let's be clear.........Watson was never told that he might even have input to the choice of GM, let alone any significant say in the matter. The subject at hand only related to his potential involvement/input in the choice of HC.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
Why did he get upset after the GM hire then? He tweeted "Some things never change..." after Caserio was hired. Was that just bad timing? Misunderstanding on his part? Was that tweeted in regards to something else? Just about all of us are guessing here, but it would be interesting to know what really broke the relationship. Something dramatic had to happen at some point.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Then tell his agent
Doesn't matter really.
Bottom line is that IF Watson wants to earn his living playing football , he's going to do so for the Texans , at least thru the current contract.
Take your pick , play football or sell insurance.
That guy's talking about a coach .... The blow up was caused by the hiring of a GM , not a coach.
Irrelevant.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
who played in a small market for how long?
Lmao, what athlete does that these days? Especially in the NBA?
Farve didn't hold anyone hostage.. they already got their guy. He simply held on too long.
Texansballer74
The Marine
His take was irrelevant indeed but Wiley was spot on.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
It wasn't about him being a backup, they drafted Rodgers because he was waffling on retirement. Then he wanted a trade to Vikings. Let me repeat, he wanted a trade to the Vikings to play under Brad Childress who was once the OC under Reid and was in GB under Holmgren. They didn't want to and traded him to the Jets and subsequently to the Vikings like he wanted.
Texian
Hall of Fame
DW4 did offer two names he wanted Texans to interview for HC, Saleh and Bienemy. Neither were initially contacted. He did not have any suggestions for GM. IMO DW4 agent saw a way to get foot in the exit door and took advantage. DW4 saw handwriting on the wall and said lets go. I'm not sticking around for another 2 -3 years of 4 -12.
They need to slam that door on the agents foot.
The lesson to be learned is ownership needs to be very careful in who they pay and when they pay them.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Texans organisation will lose a lot of revenue if they trade Watson - season ticket holders and merchandise sales will plummet.
Janice McNair is not about to let this franchise go down the gurgler.
Watson has no leverage and if he plays hard ball , he will lose a LOT of money.
If he sits out( which I don't think he will,) they can go after his $27m signing bonus and his value will nosedive.
He ain't going anywhere.
Janice McNair is not about to let this franchise go down the gurgler.
Watson has no leverage and if he plays hard ball , he will lose a LOT of money.
If he sits out( which I don't think he will,) they can go after his $27m signing bonus and his value will nosedive.
He ain't going anywhere.
I think you're going to be very disappointed.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I respect sbtexans opinion so I'm open to your idea of a scenario that would convince Texans to trade him.
The scenario that the team will be better with a total rebuild than hold onto DW4 with no draft picks/cap room to build around a good but not great QB.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I will have to disagree with your assessment of Watson. His stats rank him well inside the top few QBs last season.
Most of the blame for Texans poor showing can be laid at the feet of the defence.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
With all the rumors swirling around QB movement across the NFL, I wonder what the Texans strategy is? For sure I think they want DW4 to be their QB, however I hope they don't sit around and let the market shrink (teams with worthy assets) and this DW4 mess ends up in a missed opportunity for the Texans. March 17 is on the clock...
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
IF and that's a big if Watson gets traded, teams will be lining up in the hope of getting his services before the others and will bring their best deals - or else.
If I had to bank my house on it, my money would be on him remaining a Texan - very few teams will be willing to hitch their carts on one horse and have very little draft capital to bolster their roster for years to come.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
IF and that's a big if Watson gets traded, teams will be lining up in the hope of getting his services before the others and will bring their best deals - or else.
If I had to bank my house on it, my money would be on him remaining a Texan - very few teams will be willing to hitch their carts on one horse and have very little draft capital to bolster their roster for years to come.
Yes his stats do say this.
Hopefully there are a bunch of other teams out there that think like you do.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Market won’t shrink because reality is there are very few teams that can even pay the ante needed for a spot at the table. These teams signing QBs now were not in the running for Watson and they knew it. The two big players at the table, Jets and Fins, can afford to wait because even if they don’t get Watson they can draft a QB.