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My choices for HC/OC/DC

Based on the time of year and all the other top coaching prospects coming off of the board, I expect EB to be our new head coach. I would say the probability of it is somewhere north of 75%.
 
We made a tremendous mistake in not getting Robert Saleh. I see the Jets fighting for superbowls in the near future. We still dont know Easterby's role. Till he gets fired 3 years from now. :D
 
SeriousShizzle said:
We made a tremendous mistake in not getting Robert Saleh. I see the Jets fighting for superbowls in the near future. We still dont know Easterby's role. Till he gets fired 3 years from now. :D
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And people think Caserio is going to be a savior and he never requested an interview with Saleh. Tea leaves/Handwriting on the wall, Caserio is only interested in a head coach who is familiar with and can run the Bill Belichick Offense and Defense systems. Because that's all Caserio knows. Also why Bienemey was originally overlooked. We don't want no stinking WCO in this building.
 
Texian said:
And people think Caserio is going to be a savior and he never requested an interview with Saleh. Tea leaves/Handwriting on the wall, Caserio is only interested in a head coach who is familiar with and can run the Bill Belichick Offense and Defense systems. Because that's all Caserio knows. Also why Bienemey was originally overlooked. We don't want no stinking WCO in this building.
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Absolutely agree with this. The WCO would seem to be a superior offense for DWs skill set. Unfortunately DW himself seems sold on staying in this EP crap. I suppose is all fine and dandy IF you seem to know what you’re doing which for however many years now we occasionally show signs we do. I hate it
 
Texazan said:
Absolutely agree with this. The WCO would seem to be a superior offense for DWs skill set. Unfortunately DW himself seems sold on staying in this EP crap. I suppose is all fine and dandy IF you seem to know what you’re doing which for however many years now we occasionally show signs we do. I hate it
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WCO have principles as with all the schemes. Andy Reid is running a version of it, but not the same version he ran with Philly or the one he learned under Holmgren.
 
thunderkyss said:
I disagree. Owners have been saved by coaches & players throughout the history of the league.

Rams, Patriots, Cowboys, Arizona. You get lucky & a coach plus player (specifically QB) & you look like a genius even though you do the same crap crap owners do.

With DeShaun, Caserio, & a good coach, Cal could’ve looked like a genius.
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But with Easterby...Cal will look stupid. Seeing I believe I saw Easterby got promoted...
 
Texazan said:
Absolutely agree with this. The WCO would seem to be a superior offense for DWs skill set. Unfortunately DW himself seems sold on staying in this EP crap. I suppose is all fine and dandy IF you seem to know what you’re doing which for however many years now we occasionally show signs we do. I hate it
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The Patriots run a multiple set offense. Including the WCO. Every single team runs versions of it. Some just use it more than others. Same with the RPO style. Watson might be able to run a simple WCO but not the Walsh type system. He is already not amazing with choice of ball placement at times. Getting to remember 3+ routes per WR on every snap may be a bit of a stretch to ask. But, the WCO is good I think running game to set up the pass and pass to set up the run is good as well. Many teams have used it to win q titles.
 
DocBar said:
I couldn't care less about his wiki page or any youthful transgressions. Look at his his teams offensive (in more ways than one) production when he was an OC who actually had to game plan and call games.
2011 Colorado Buffaloes football team - Wikipedia
2012 Colorado Buffaloes football team - Wikipedia
In a day and age where college football scores more closely resemble basketball, EBs offenses appeared to be playing baseball.
From everything I have read, he's pretty much OB II without the bad attitude and HC experience.
I absolutely do not want a HC hired based on ethnicity, regardless of said ethnicity. I want the best HC for the Houston Texans hired.
If EB is hired as the next Texans HC, I hope he is the next BB and lets his coordinators coordinate their respective sides of the ball and he is more of a director than hands on coach.
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Well, then you aren't going to get what you want. EB will be hired strictly because of his ethnicity. Why? Because that's what DW4 wants. DW4 is essentially running the team and we will have another 6 or so yrs of the lost decade left. As a Texans fan I hope to see the day that this team is run correctly.
 
steelbtexan said:
Well, then you aren't going to get what you want. EB will be hired strictly because of his ethnicity. Why? Because that's what DW4 wants. DW4 is essentially running the team and we will have another 6 or so yrs of the lost decade left. As a Texans fan I hope to see the day that this team is run correctly.
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I disagree, I don't think Watson wants EB because of ethnicity...I think he wants him because of the offensive success displayed by the Chiefs. EB's past is his past, it seems most of those against the hire have not considered that EB has been learning from Andy Reid in the 7 years he has been there.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
I disagree, I don't think Watson wants EB because of ethnicity...I think he wants him because of the offensive success displayed by the Chiefs. EB's past is his past, it seems most of those against the hire have not considered that EB has been learning from Andy Reid in the 7 years he has been there.
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So do you think it's happenstance that 3 of the 4 finalists were minority candidates?

I dont.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
Who are these "finalists", it seems like every other day I read of interviews the Texans have conducted.
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From what I've read and heard pretty consistently on the radio:
EB
Frazier
Eberflus

and whichever of these three get chosen (or anyone else for that matter) Mike Kafca would be my choice for OC.
 
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wildroot said:
Mike Kafca would be my choice for OC.
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Only way that happens is if we don’t hire Bieniemy & our new HC can talk Kafka out of Bieniemy’s shadow.

Because if we hire Bieniemy, word is Kafka will be KC’s OC.
 
thunderkyss said:
I heard they did a 2nd interview with Caldwell Friday. So far he’s the only one who has had a 2nd interview.
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Caldwell or Frazier would be fine. I'd have both pitch Bieniemy on becoming their OC where he would have complete control of the new offense being implemented. I think Frazier could attract the right DC to mentor.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Wait... wasn't Josh signed as a player a few weeks ago?

www.google.com

Texans interview QB McCown, Caldwell for HC job

The Texans interviewed QB Josh McCown and Jim Caldwell for their head coach opening, the team announced Friday.
www.google.com www.google.com
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My dad was asking me about this yesterday. I thought he was BS'ing me. This organization is doomed. Josh MCcown and Jim Caldwell interviewed for head coach? What a f'ing joke.
 
steelbtexan said:
Well, then you aren't going to get what you want. EB will be hired strictly because of his ethnicity. Why? Because that's what DW4 wants. DW4 is essentially running the team and we will have another 6 or so yrs of the lost decade left. As a Texans fan I hope to see the day that this team is run correctly.
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Are you simply going to ***** and moan about who "runs" the team until the McNair's finally give in and hire you? I would say ethnicity plays a part in DW4 wanting EB, but I would also say it's vastly more likely that DW4 sees the offensive powerhouse that is the Kansas City Chiefs and wants an offense similar to it. I doubt DW4 has done much research past watching game film and reading the reading headlines and stat lines.
 
michaelm said:
The first was pre Caserio I think. Maybe it's as simple as Caserio wanting to interview him first hand
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So he didn’t want to interview the others they interviewed before he got here. Yeah, it’s that simple.
 
DocBar said:
Are you simply going to ***** and moan about who "runs" the team until the McNair's finally give in and hire you? I would say ethnicity plays a part in DW4 wanting EB, but I would also say it's vastly more likely that DW4 sees the offensive powerhouse that is the Kansas City Chiefs and wants an offense similar to it. I doubt DW4 has done much research past watching game film and reading the reading headlines and stat lines.
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You mean there are other ethnically divers HC candidates out there that Watson isn’t endorsing?
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
I disagree, I don't think Watson wants EB because of ethnicity...I think he wants him because of the offensive success displayed by the Chiefs. EB's past is his past, it seems most of those against the hire have not considered that EB has been learning from Andy Reid in the 7 years he has been there.
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Don't bother, some people have a clear agenda. For some reason, his is pinpointing all of the Texans failures on Deshaun Watson. Why? I have no clue.
 
DocBar said:
Are you simply going to ***** and moan about who "runs" the team until the McNair's finally give in and hire you? I would say ethnicity plays a part in DW4 wanting EB, but I would also say it's vastly more likely that DW4 sees the offensive powerhouse that is the Kansas City Chiefs and wants an offense similar to it. I doubt DW4 has done much research past watching game film and reading the reading headlines and stat lines.
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So he wants Bieniemy because he wants what KC has, but he wants to keep Kelly too? Sounds to me like Watson just needs to stay in his lane and play QB.
 
Speedy said:
So he wants Bieniemy because he wants what KC has, but he wants to keep Kelly too? Sounds to me like Watson just needs to stay in his lane and play QB.
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He doesn’t want Kelly because of his offensive system, he wants him because he’s a good coach.
 
DocBar said:
Are you simply going to ***** and moan about who "runs" the team until the McNair's finally give in and hire you? I would say ethnicity plays a part in DW4 wanting EB, but I would also say it's vastly more likely that DW4 sees the offensive powerhouse that is the Kansas City Chiefs and wants an offense similar to it. I doubt DW4 has done much research past watching game film and reading the reading headlines and stat lines.
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Pointing out the issues with Cuck and his org isn't bitching.

The last sentence is exactly why DW4 should have no say in who's hired. He's just going off of what Mahomes has told him. He probably knows nothing about how bad EB's offenses were when EB was at Colorado.
 
If Caldwell makes it through without a HC gig, my money is that he goes to Colts as OC and they bring in Stafford. AFC South is going to get tougher. We need a HC that can make Watson want to stay and knows what the hell he's doing from day one. I still want Sean Payton.
 
Speedy said:
So he wants Bieniemy because he wants what KC has, but he wants to keep Kelly too? Sounds to me like Watson just needs to stay in his lane and play QB.
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The truth is none of us have any idea who DW truly wants. If you ask DW about any coach, he's going to talk highly of that person. It wasn't too long ago he was raving about BOB.

He's not having press conferences and announcing, "This is what I want...". People are asking him, "What do you think of this person?" Of course he's going to talk highly of his coaches or potential coaches. For some reason, people interpret that as, "oh, that's who DW wants"
 
Speedy said:
So he wants Bieniemy because he wants what KC has, but he wants to keep Kelly too? Sounds to me like Watson just needs to stay in his lane and play QB.
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Apparently if he is not included enough for his taste he may or may not do that. And if the "list" of teams he would like to go to is legit. It doesn't matter if he is involved.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Wait... wasn't Josh signed as a player a few weeks ago?

www.google.com

Texans interview QB McCown, Caldwell for HC job

The Texans interviewed QB Josh McCown and Jim Caldwell for their head coach opening, the team announced Friday.
www.google.com www.google.com
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Why would they, after the fiasco of having a person with zero personnel experience promoted to be their GM, consider a guy who's a career backup who has nothing more than a few years experience at the high school level in coaching to be their next NFL franchise HC?


idonno:
 
Mollywhopper said:
Why would they, after the fiasco of having a person with zero personnel experience promoted to be their GM, consider a guy who's a career backup who has nothing more than a few years experience at the high school level in coaching to be their next NFL franchise HC?


idonno:
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And letting Easterby run the show with Watson picking the people he wants or gets butt hurt.
 
Im tempted to nuke the thought process of the 'must be minority' and the use of "minority" in regard to.. well..... everything.

Hire the best option.

Agenda for the sake of selfish short-sightedness is deeply insecure and weak.
 
I don’t get why Todd Bowles isn’t getting any mention. His D is legit, and I’d be fairly happy to keep Tim Kelly as OC, I’ve seen some teams having seperate running and passing coordinators, I think we need a run game coordinator to shake that up.

I’ll be watching the super bowl with interest, our path is looking to go through the Chiefs for years to come, much like it has gone through the Patriots for the last 2 decades.

Can Todd Bowles slow down Andy Reid’s offence? I’ve not been convinced by the Bucs O through the season, I think that D is underrated.

Bowles HC/DC
Keep Kelly as OC but bring in a seperate running game coordinator and get better on the ground.
 
welsh texan said:
Can Todd Bowles slow down Andy Reid’s offence? I’ve not been convinced by the Bucs O through the season, I think that D is underrated.

Bowles HC/DC
Keep Kelly as OC but bring in a seperate running game coordinator and get better on the ground.
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My guess....and according to many who state this as a basis for past, current, and future....Mahomes 2022 payday will toss his figure over the 13.2% threshold which will doom the Chiefs much quicker than any DC's style of defense. I wonder if Reid has planned for this eventual situation?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
My guess....and according to many who state this as a basis for past, current, and future....Mahomes 2022 payday will toss his figure over the 13.2% threshold which will doom the Chiefs much quicker than any DC's style of defense. I wonder if Reid has planned for this eventual situation?
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True,

But if anybody can beat the odds it will be Mahomes and Reid.

I'm very interested who they let go this offseason. I will bet you they le guys like Watkins/Robinson/Bell etc... go. They've got to find a way to replace them.

I'm betting Veatch can do this. He's a great talent evaluator and isn't hamstrung by the Not Texans Worthy BS.
 
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