whodknee
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Should we trade Watson?
- Thread starter theCATALYST
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They had been in contact with EB weeks before , as I said then , I'm completely shocked that they didn't get hit with tampering charges not long after OB was canned.
Yes , he did have a virtual interview yesterday.
Silly man.You are a silly man/woman/person/[insert gender], Member 56723.Wanna' be friends? lol
I'm surprised, as well, but I think the historic loyalty to the Texans has become a thing of the past and someone is eventually going to write a book at some point. You can only contain this much drama for so long before someone decides to capitalize on it.
I've read a couple of good books over the years about Bud Adams and his antics. The Texans are reaching that level of intrigue.
Of course we could be friends.
whodknee
Working Class Hero
The Agent can talk
Who said anything about an agent ?
whodknee
Working Class Hero
I just did Agents can talk about trades all day any day..and they do
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
In addition to the draft picks you have listed. the Cowboy's also got a slew of players that were contributors to their playoff runs
whodknee
Working Class Hero
The Cowboys wound up selecting running back Emmitt Smith, defensive tackle Russell Maryland, safety Darren Woodson and cornerback Kevin Smith, among others, to help build a solid core of young players that won three championships, beginning with a blowout victory over Buffalo in Super Bowl XXVII in January 1993.
Sure, but that's not what he said. He said 'in addition to the draft picks..'
The draft picks became those guys. We all know that. There was no 'in addition to'.
Decim8
Veteran
I think @Mollywhopper talking about if players were included in the trade
Texian
Hall of Fame
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Exactly.
whodknee
Working Class Hero
The Cowboys used their stockpile of draft picks to move up in subsequents drafts or in player trades with teams like the Pittsburgh Steelers, New England Patriots, Atlanta Falcon, Houston Oilers and San Francisco 49ers. Those picks resulted in:
- *Emmitt Smith, NFL’s all-time leading rusher
- DT Russell Maryland, a Pro-Bowler in 1993
- S Darren Woodson, a five-time Pro-Bowler
- CB Kevin Smith, an All-Pro in 1996
- FB Alonzo Highsmith
- CB Stan Smagala
- CB Clayton Holmes
Norg
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i guess i was low balling it Watson is worth (5) 1st round picks at least plus extra sprinkles
that would mean starting 2022 we would have 2 first round picks for four years straight years and alot of high chips to move up or down and rebuild this team in 2 years
but anywho i hope they have a come to jesus meeting and watson stays in houston
that would mean starting 2022 we would have 2 first round picks for four years straight years and alot of high chips to move up or down and rebuild this team in 2 years
but anywho i hope they have a come to jesus meeting and watson stays in houston
There was
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
CB Issiac Holt (4 year starting CB for the Cowboys)
OLB Jesse Solomon (1990 Starting Cowboy OLB)
LB David Howard (1990 Backup LB. Trade to New England as part of a package to move up to the 1st pick in the 1991 NFL Draft to select Russell Maryland)
DE Alex Stewart
These 4 players, the 3rd and the 6th just about make up the value difference between the three 2nds that were traded and the value of three 1sts.
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
Ok, I missed the part where the Cowboys gave back the two 3rds and a 10ths to keep the players. So Mollywopper is correct, the Hershal Walker trade did not in fact net the Cowboy's back the equivalent of six 1st round draft picks. it was more like five 1st rounders and a 2nd or 3rd.
But as to the Deshaun situation, as I said in the my earlier post.
I do not think the Texans will get much of anything back for Deshaun because of the "No Trade Clause" our buddy Jack put into Deshaun's contract.
Deshaun has all the leverage in the world to make the Texans get nothing in return on a trade.
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The Texans have the leverage to decide if he ever gets paid to pay pro football anymore..
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
Actually they do not if Deshaun plays it smart and stays within the rules:
The issue is two fold:
1) What is Deshaun's motivation for asking to be traded?
He is not looking for money, his contract is set. What he wants is what Patrick Mahonnes already has. A team that can win now, and has a good chance of being a contender every year for the the foreseeable future. What he wants, is to play for a Dynasty.
So if he is traded to a team that is forced to give up all their future draft capital, or key players to the Texans as fair compensation, he will have defeated his entire purpose in asking for a trade in the first place.
2) You ask how could Deshaun stop the Texans from getting fair compensation (ie 6 1st Round Draft Picks or their equivalent).
Well our good buddy "Jack Easterby" handed his that ability when he gave him the "No Trade Clause" in his contract.
All Deshaun has to do is:
A) Refuse to show up for OTA's, "But does show up for Mandatory Mini Camp"
B) Refer to Cal McNair as "Tommy Boy" at every news conference or in every Tweet. "In an ambiguous sort of way that Deshaun is very good at"
C) Have a "Back Injury" in training camp, so he cannot practice or play in games. "Back Injuries are perfect in that they are so hard diagnose or dispute (see Jalen Ramsey)"
He does this and the Texans are forced to trade him at any price.
Deshaun with his "No Trade Clause" can then nix any trade that the Texans propose that has his new team giving up anything more than say a 3rd or 4th Round draft pick back as compensation to the Texans.
I know everyone is going to say this is a crazy "Conspiracy Theory", but this is a unique situation. This course of action, is the only path forward that meets Deshaun's goals, and Deshuan absolutely has the legal leverage to make this happen.
Deshaun is a very smart man, and is utterly ruthless in order to achieve his goals. This path is the only one that achieves what he desires, so why would he not do it.
If I were Deshaun, and crossed the Rubicon and decided to demand a trade, this is what I would do. I do not expect anything less from Deshaun.
If Deshaun leaves, he will will not play nice and show mercy to the Texans. He will stick a dagger in the Texans heart to give his new team the best chance he can to be the Dynasty he is looking for.
I don't think it's just his say..
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
The texans can not trade him with out his approval. He has complete veto power, so yes basically it is up to just him.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
It doesn’t work that way. Watson can’t just say “My back hurts I can’t play” he has to be examined by the club physician and yes he can a second opinion but that second opinion has to communicate all medical records, examinations and recommended treatments. Here’s the CBA so you can dig through it yourself.
Believe me Watson faking an injury and the Texans playing hard ball would not end well for Watson. Wouldn’t for the Texans either but long term Watson would suffer more.
If he holds out it will cost him $40,000 per day in fines.
Those fines can no longer be waived as they were commonly forgotten in the past , the new CBA changed that. Teams just can't forgive it anymore.
If he holds out and doesn't show up for the regular season , his contract is frozen and he is also on the hook for the bonus money he's already received.
He has little leverage in this situation .... the league / franchise holds the cards.
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
The Cowboy's got significant value from:
CB Issiac Holt (4 year starting CB for the Cowboys).
OLB Jesse Solomon (1990 Starting Cowboy OLB).
LB David Howard (1990 Backup LB. Trade to New England as part of a package to move up to the 1st pick in the 1991 NFL Draft to select Russell Maryland).
DE Alex Stewart was the only player that was released and did not contribute.
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
The "Back Injury" work just fine for Jalen Ramsey. He got paid and forced a trade from the Jaguars to the rams.
HouSportsWriter
SIAB
Get as many draft picks as you can for him
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i would hope if the texans are smart enough to know if watson intends to sit for like 4 years then there just not going to activate him for any games from now to like 2026 LOL
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
He does not have to hold out.
All he has to do is show up to what ever he is contractually required to show up for, (ie Mini Camp and Training Camp) and half ass go thru the motions (Did anyone not see the BS James Harden just pulled to force a trade) and they can not fine him.
If he makes subtle ambiguous insults towards Cal McNair, or refer to Cal as "Tommy Boy" (justly deserved) on Twitter and in press conferences, and Cal will get royalty pissed off and they will trade him for anything they can get.
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
As I said in my earlier post: Because of Deshaun's "No Trade Clause" he has the leverage, and the motivation, to keep his new team from having to give up anything more than say a 3rd or 4th Round draft pick back as compensation to the Texans. Basically the Texans could end up with nothing in return.
You are so wrong it's not worth discussing. You need to read the new CBA
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Jags didn’t push it because they were rebuilding anyway and they got 2 1sts for Ramsey. Rams met their price so yeah they traded him. Plus there is a big difference in a cornerback and a franchise QB.
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
Is it really? But Deshaun would probably not even not fake a "Back Injury". All he would need to do is half ass it like James Harden, and make makes subtle ambiguous (or not so subtel) insults towards Cal McNair, and they will trade him for what ever he agrees to. Remember his "No Trade Clause" gives him veto power on any trade he doesn't like.
So you’re saying if Watson wants to go to the Jets & the Texans negotiated for three 1st, two 2nds, & two thirds, Watson would enforce his NTC & tell them to work out a deal for less?
I’m thinking if Watson says he wants to be traded, Caserio says, “Here, sign this waiver.” Otherwise no trade.
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Go back and read several threads talking about the difference in NFL and NBA contracts. The Harden type deal literally can’t happen in the NFL under the new CBA.
Teams don’t have to take a players word for it that they can’t play and yes a team doctor will say “There is nothing wrong with him”. I haven’t read through all the new CBA but under the old one if there was a dispute between the team doctor and the players doctor it went to a neutral third party doctor who was not allowed to know anything about previous examinations nor really even what the complaint was just the general area they were to examine.
You keep bringing up the Jags and Ramsey but again he didn’t force a trade Rams offered a kings ransom. You want a better example look at Williams and the Washington team. They said we’re not trading him, he said yes you are and low and behold they didn’t trade him till they were ready.
Texian
Hall of Fame
DW4 can say yes or no, he does not get negotiate the deal. All the Texans have to do is ask DW4 for a list of teams he would except a trade. At that point it is out of his hands.
BTW it was DW4 and his agent who put the No Trade in the contract. Jack had to accept it if he wanted to get DW4 under contract.
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
Remember:
Watson is not looking for money, his contract is set.
What he wants is what Patrick Mahonnes already has. A team that can win now, and has a good chance of being a contender every year for the foreseeable future. What he wants, is to play for a Dynasty.
So if he is traded to a team that is forced to give up all their future draft capital, or key players to the Texans as fair compensation, he will have defeated his entire purpose in asking for a trade in the first place.
And yes because of the veto power that "No Trade Clause" gives him, he can dictate what the his new team gives the Texans back as compensation.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
What makes you think him insulting Cal would make Cal demand a trade? For all we know it would make Cal dig his heels in more. Also if he phones it in then depending on how bad he dies he actually could run the risk of being investigated for throwing a game. The other factor you are forgetting is the NFL owners as a whole don’t like when players start getting uppity with them. Watson is a great talent but he could also find himself frozen out. Kap was even though there were a multitude of teams that he would have been an upgrade for.
As far as his no trade clause he can’t just say “no I don’t like that deal” all he can do is say which teams he prefers and then the Texans make the deal they want for if it’s not good enough they say we’re not trading you.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
You really don’t have any idea how contracts, the CBA and NFL rules in general work do you? Believe me Watson does not have near the power you think he does. Go back and look at all the hold outs and everything else. Almost universally it ended badly for the player.
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
Actually it is not. All he has to do is refuse to sign the waiver until he knows exactly who he is potentially being traded to and how much they are giving up.
As far as forcing the Texans to trade him all he has to do is keep subtly taking shots (not enough to be fined or suspended for, but enough so everyone gets what he is saying) at Cal McNair andCal will blow up and trade him for a song.
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
He does not have to hold out.
All Deshaun has to do is:
A) Refuse to show up for OTA's, "But does show up for Mandatory Mini Camp"
B) Refer to Cal McNair as "Tommy Boy" at every news conference or in every Tweet. "In an ambiguous sort of way that Deshaun is very good at"
C) Show up for training camp and have ass participate.
Deshaun is a very smart man, and is utterly ruthless in order to achieve his goals. This path is the only one that achieves what he desires, so why would he not do it.