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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
What does that entail?
I don’t think his qualifications really matter. Mike Mayock, John Lynch & John Elway are GMs. Never been scouts. Never worked in personnel.
I understand they played the game & Mayock critiqued drafts for ever... but if that makes them qualified then ball boys ought to be qualified.
If he’s made up his mind he’s not coming back, let him sit out.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
And let 15% of our cap sit?
If he sits out, he doesn’t count. I think. Even if I’m wrong, yes. Next year would really hurt though.
I’m not trading him.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Not if he's not willing to give 100%
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Crazy seems to be in.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
let his ass sit out,bring in a suitable replacement to play this season and then next year see if any other owner would want to take him on after seeing his true nature. I know I wouldn"t want to spend that kind of money on a player who wants control of the front office and personel. I would rather have one who is interested in playing and working on being the best quarterback in the league
Decim8
Veteran
Wouldn’t surprise me if it happened.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Good post.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
It’s all just disappointing. I see both sides of it, but truthfully until I hear it from DW4’s mouth, I’m just not buying it. Maybe if this happened with the HC I’d understand...but the GM? Whether they came to him or not is irrelevant imo. DW4 might be angry, but choosing THIS hill to die on? He couldn’t seriously be pissed that he wasn’t consulted on that particular decision.
Reminds me of the crap I just got through dealing with at my job & its clear this is an inside job from people in the FO aimed at getting Easterby removed & I’ve lost any and all respect for those leaking stuff.
You feel THAT strongly, leave the organization and put your name on your comments and let the chips fall where they may. Leaking ****”anonymously is chicken **** and shows that you’re no better than the supposed “snake in the grass” your trying to get fired.
Reminds me of the crap I just got through dealing with at my job & its clear this is an inside job from people in the FO aimed at getting Easterby removed & I’ve lost any and all respect for those leaking stuff.
You feel THAT strongly, leave the organization and put your name on your comments and let the chips fall where they may. Leaking ****”anonymously is chicken **** and shows that you’re no better than the supposed “snake in the grass” your trying to get fired.
If it were me, there's no way I can let Easterby go. Too much pressure from the media, too much pressure from the players.
I'd agree quietly to let Easterby go after the upcoming season. I'd agree to put him in a closet between now & then. But I can't have the appearance of caving to the players/media.
What? Whitney Mercilus is set for life. He wasn't alienated. The Texans have been good to all their players not named Clowney. Even Hopkins got what he wanted.
TexCanada
All Pro
Duane Brown, Clowney, now Watson and Watt. AJ complaining about wasted careers. We are gaining a bad reputation. I’m not saying we need to bow down and do whatever the players want, but we can work with them and make it a desirable place to play instead of whatever the hell we are doing now.
theCATALYST
Football Messiah
Plenty of good players have wasted their careers on teams not named the Texans. Cold fact is, only one team can win the Super bowl per season. In recent years, that likelihood is even slimmer due to the dominance of the New England Patriots.
Adrian Peterson
Calvin Johnson
Dan Marino
Tony Gonzalez
Barry Sanders
just to name a few.
TexCanada
All Pro
Sounds like we are on the right track then!
Reality is that this organization sucks and it’s gaining a bad rep. If it wasn’t for Watson, we would have no chance of getting a top GM or Coach, and we are about to run him out of town.
We are hanging on to Easterby to prove a point and put the players in their place, but in the meantime we are creating an environment nobody wants to be a part of.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Duane wanted out, he got out and he hasn’t fared much better in Seattle than he had when he was here from a wasted Careers standpoint.
Clowney got shipped out and his career since has gone down the tubes due to his body breaking down. Same as Brown and I bet right about now, he wishes he could waste his career here.
and honestly Watt is still lucky to be employed here making the money that he makes considering he’s gone out with serious injury in 3 of the last 5 years.
Nuk? same as Brown. When the playoffs started this year, he was sitting at home like DW4 was. So I guess it’s better to “waste” the remainder of your career in AZ than here then?
I don’t feel sorry for any of these guys. They’re well compensated to “waste” their careers. If winning is the priority, then they shouldn’t be so quick to sign long term deals...either sign shorter deals like LBJ does, or put clauses in that allow for you to opt out at certain points...like LBJ does.
beyond that, suck it up buttercup.
Watt hasn't been alienated. He wants out.
DB... he had an opportunity to work things out. He stepped away.
Hopkins wanted out.
Clowney was alienated.
Aj has been treated like royalty.
I'm not arguing we have a dumpster fire on our hands. But this might be a case of taking advantage of Mr Niceguy.
1d4
Waterboy
This thinking is why BOB stayed so long
austins23
Hall of Fame
Are you defending this guy? Serious question. I’ve imbibed today so not sure.
Where there is smoke there is fire and multiple sources have reported what a **** show this franchise is...
Is it Easterby or Cal or both?
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Problem with this list is they're all on different teams. Texans have consistently had top five players in their position waste their careers here due to overall culture. It's a shitshow and there's no other way around it.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The vast majority of great players “waste” their careers on teams if the definition of waste means not reaching the summit of the sport and winning a SB.
In that regard players who have done it here are no different than other players on other teams.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I've said repeatedly I'm not a fan of Easterby, never have been. I'm also not a fan of character assassinations. Two wrongs do not make a right. I don't necessarily believe everything I read. In the case of the article you posted, it has underlying motives. I asked myself what is the purpose of writing this article? News or to do harm? I see it as spite and revenge and they don't hide it very well.
I don't consider the waiter in owner suite who saw Easterby and Rootes sitting together, an obscure fan with a derogatory Easterby sign in Indianapolis and Hannah McNair blocking an Instagram account major breaking news. This was more trying to damage and destroy a persons character. Jenny Vrentas didn't say much more than she already said in her same article the week before. Just some obscure fodder to spice her previous story. Reminded me of an exercise in 9th grade English. After writing a story teacher said now go back and write the same story again completely different and unlike your first. It's also funny how SI, PFT and NBC articles parrot themselves and each other.
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TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I think a lot of this is to blame on OB staying too long and remaking the the Texans organization the way he saw fit. The power vacuum was left wide open with OB and Easterby were left in charge after Gaine was fired, but the most damage was when Chris Olsen left. Now we are left with not only players under performing but exponentially worse cap situation that I don’t recall the Texans ever being in.
The Texans would be a better situation had we kept Smith and Olson and fired OB.
That’s where everything went wrong.
McClain: Bill O'Brien's Texans makeover continues
As Bill O’Brien and Jack Easterby consolidate their power, more changes are expected...
wildroot
Rookie
Joe Thomas
Dick Butkus
Antonio Gates
Ezekiel Elliott
Julio Jones
Maurice Jones-Drew
Archie Manning
and you can multiply this number by 1000 easily.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
But, there is a difference between a wasted career in an era and "being known for wasting careers". I know there are more players to add to that list, but I only see one team on there twice and I damn sure wouldn't want to be known as the Lions.
Every great player is not going to win a championship, but the Texans have never even been to a conference finals. The best team accolade they can boast about is division titles...which no one except OB and his fans care about...And they only have 6 of those btw with 2 of them coming during 9-7 seasons....
Dan Marino at least got to one superbowl...and he made the playoffs a bunch of times.
In almost 20 years the Texans franchise has only 4 season with double digit wins and 6 playoff appearances.
They have 6 seasons (1/3 of their existence) with 5 or fewer wins...And Again they've never even been to a conference championship game.
There is a difference between a team being known for wasting careers and virtually having no shot at all at winning anything significant vs a team that had great players in an era that never got a ring.
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austins23
Hall of Fame
That’s a way to look at it I suppose. So these reporter folks are doing this because they are mad that Amy got fired?
Or are they writing because something is there and they are just fanning the flames?
Who knows. But as a casual observer from the outside it sure seems as Easterby is the cancerous tumor that needs to be cut out.
theCATALYST
Football Messiah
I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Easterby is a cancer in our organization and it was just being covered up......until Amy got fired. Then it became a dogpile on the Easterbunny.
If the McNairs keep pushing for moves that don’t make football sense, it won’t matter who the coach is. It won’t matter if Easterby is fired.
The only difference between now & before Easterby was hired is that McNair decisions are affecting the business side where it was previously immune.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Regardless the damage is already done, Caserio and Easterby are BFFs. Had they fired Easterby before Caserio was hired the damage could've been averted. That too is wishful thinking because you still have a used car salesman (Cal) in the operating room. Easterby is not the problem. Fire Easterby today and the problem remains. Watson is right in one aspect, Cal needs to fire Cal for the culture to change.
I can see Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick today pouring themselves a nice Hennessey and firing up the Cubans, putting their feet up on the desk, having a good laugh and saying can you believe we've screwed up the Texans for another 5 years?
I use to say the Texans would always be the 2nd fiddle in the band as long as Peyton Manning was the QB in Indianapolis. That evolved to Andrew Luck. That mountain has returned. The Texans will now always be the 2nd, 3rd or 4th fiddle in band as long as Urban Meyer and Trevor Lawrence are in Jacksonville. Subject to change if/when the Texans are sold.
Norg
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since he has like 4 years left on his contract playing hardball makes no sense
u gotta do whats best for the texans i would trade him today for a kings ransom
Well, lately 2nd & 3rd fiddle has been getting more play than 1st chair as WC teams have been in the AFCCG while the division champs have been watching on TV.
Sounds like a nice Jack Easterby conspiracy theory you got going.
One conspiracy theory deserves another: If Easterby was so loved in Patriot Nation, and was offered a lifetime contract, why does he think Kraft is trying to sabotage his career? Maybe, just maybe, not everyone in Foxboro was a big fan of Jack.
I noticed that the plethora of pro-Jack articles out of new England came after Bob LaMonte came into his life. Could LaMonte have solicited these articles, knowing that Easterby's contract was up? And advised the reporters (that come to him for other stories), "Talk to this, that, and this other player about how Jack has impacted their lives." And has anyone noticed that the Patriots never bothered to replace Easterby after he left? If Jack was so instrumental to the organization, filling so many important roles, how are they functioning without another Easterby?
By "connecting the dots" (
), I'm seeing that maybe Easterby wasn't as beloved in New England as he's made out to be. That he might have already created some friction with his thirst for power. That he was on his way out, and was looking for another sugar daddy. Hello, Cal.
After he called Kraft out for conduct not worthy of the great Jack Easterby, I doubt Kraft is still a fan.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Wrong from your very first assumption so I guess you can void your post since it was all for naught. Bob and Bill were having a giggle about another Patriot clerk becoming a league GM like Nick Casserio. You do seem to have Easterby on the mind. Are you too on a mission from God to destroy Easterby like your friends at SI, PFT and NBC?Sounds like a nice Jack Easterby conspiracy theory you got going.
One conspiracy theory deserves another: If Easterby was so loved in Patriot Nation, and was offered a lifetime contract, why does he think Kraft is trying to sabotage his career? Maybe, just maybe, not everyone in Foxboro was a big fan of Jack.
I noticed that the plethora of pro-Jack articles out of new England came after Bob LaMonte came into his life. Could LaMonte have solicited these articles, knowing that Easterby's contract was up? And advised the reporters (that come to him for other stories), "Talk to this, that, and this other player about how Jack has impacted their lives." And has anyone noticed that the Patriots never bothered to replace Easterby after he left? If Jack was so instrumental to the organization, filling so many important roles, how are they functioning without another Easterby?
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Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I hate how all this is playing out...”sources” this..”sources” that. If he wants out or if he’s that unhappy about how things are being run, I don’t understand why he can’t just publically put that out there with his own lips; very low risk of blowback on him if he did and I think a lot of the fans would certainly understand where he’s coming from.
The thing too is there are a number of things he could do both as just a man and as a professional to try to smooth this whole thing over and he doesn’t seem interested in trying to do it.
At this point, it’s gonna piss me off to see him go, but if he doesn’t wanna be here, let him go.
The thing too is there are a number of things he could do both as just a man and as a professional to try to smooth this whole thing over and he doesn’t seem interested in trying to do it.
At this point, it’s gonna piss me off to see him go, but if he doesn’t wanna be here, let him go.
Notice that Easterby called out Kraft (in a retweet by a former Patriot TE) after he left Foxboro. The damage had already been done.
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Yep, this is the Jack Easterby thread. Where we discuss Jack Easterby.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
We hear about locker room cancers all the time. When you get rid of those guys, more often than not, the team gets better. Easterby not only has the locker room poisoned, but he's got the whole organization divided, as well as fans and media. If you can call it division, since you don't hear much in support of Easterby other than Cal and Hannah, maybe Pancakes. And it doesn't stop there. This could have an effect on what HC you have come here, as well as future FAs. There's never been anything like this in sports that I can recall. At least not from someone who is not an owner, GM, HC or player. This Easterby thing is certainly unprecedented. You can want to move forward all you want, but if the cancer is still there eating away, not much is going to change in a positive way.
No, firing him does not solve all their problems, because the real root of their problems come from Cal. And I don't know how you fix that unless the team is sold or Janice says, "Ok son, that's enough", and hires a CEO to take over. I seriously doubt the latter ever happens.