He signed his deal thinking O'Brien was going to be his HC (at least) for the next 4 years.
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He signed his deal thinking O'Brien was going to be his HC (at least) for the next 4 years.
I'm not ready to agree with this take. @steelbtexan and @SnakeEyes have been pushing some of the same narratives for weeks and they might even be the same person. They probably are enjoying this mess more than any posters on this forum
Don't get me wrong. I find the idea that a player would demand a minority for HC and GM as simply too unreasonable and ridiculous to even consider. That's why I cannot take their speculation seriously. If true, Cal should have immediately set expectations and not have Watson thinking his input would be valued.
I think when this all shakes out. It will be more about Easterby vs Watson than minority GM/HC hiring or even Cal vs Watson. If I had to speculate. I think when Watson left for vacation, he thought a new GM would be selected from the list and Easterby's role would be reduce or he would be out. Then he gets news via social media that not only was the list ignored but, it's one of Easterby's closest friends.
Again, pure speculation. I'm not stating it as fact. But that is more likely than a player wanting a minority GM and HC. NOW. If it's true about minority HC and GM then I will be first in line to apologize to @steelbtexan / @SnakeEyes and say they were right. But until then, they are not getting squat from me. LOL.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
the aloofness of how the FO operates without regard to your most valuable assets.
This is now the 3rd such incident that the FO/owners have acted in such a way that they’ve appeared tone deaf to their star players...
like it or not, the owners/FO have to appease these guys on some level.
Owners and FO’s who operate like Cal & the Texans can’t keep star players around and can’t attract them either.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
which is even worse decision making honestly. Sounds to me he’s operating in uncharted waters. He’s not only experiencing losing on an unprecedented level but also instability in football too...which has always been the most stable thing in his life.
I just hope that when he and Caserio finally sit down and talk, that Caserio calms him down, reassures him of the direction of the team and is more savy with how he handles him in the future....if there is to be one. I think too, this is frustration that’s been building up for a full year...BoB was fired 3 months ago and the organization has been largely rudderless.
That's why I think the minority angle is a bogus narrative. No sensible player would make a demand or have expectations like that. It should be the best candidate who can help you win games. Also, supposedly, Hopkins was on the trade market for a year and the majority of us never heard about it. Why all the leaking and anonymous sources trying to influence public opinion?
I just find it curious about these media reports and wondering who is behind this agenda or narrative. Who is benefitting from these news reports?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Overall,
and here is more spewage which ultimately is an attack on Easterby
Report: Texans were poised to hire Omar Khan as G.M.
A year after the Texans were making headlines during the first week of the playoffs because they were, you know, playing, they're making even more headlines this year by, you know, not playing.profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
If nothing else the Texans have a mole in their organization who keeps feeding the troll. That person is the one doing more damage to the organization than motivational speaker or paster or executive vp Easterby is...imo of course.
Agreed....someone or persons on the inside of that building on Kirby have a real hard on for Easterby..
theCATALYST
Football Messiah
Maybe someone in the organization is using the only tool the Texans have in possibly jettisoning Jack Easterby, and that would be the teams Franchise QB.
zshawn10
All Pro
The fact that there is that line in the article where Charlotte would have taken both caserio and jack away from us and cal said oh crap to it is just so usOverall,
and here is more spewage which ultimately is an attack on Easterby
Report: Texans were poised to hire Omar Khan as G.M.
A year after the Texans were making headlines during the first week of the playoffs because they were, you know, playing, they're making even more headlines this year by, you know, not playing.
If nothing else the Texans have a mole in their organization who keeps feeding the troll. That person is the one doing more damage to the organization than motivational speaker or paster or executive vp Easterby is...imo of course.
DW4 gave Cal the guy he wanted to hire. Cal hired a GM and is going to let the GM hire the GM's choice. DW4's butthurt. Very simple, no reason to overthink things. This is why you dont let players in on mgmt hiring decisions. The outcome of all of this is quite predictable. This is where Cal F'ed this up.
Actually Cal probably helped Caserio with the much needed housecleaning. Caserio can now say because Cal/DW4 had irreconcilable differences so he had no choice in having to trade DW4.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
which tells me more about who is most likely behind it more than anything....Palcic’s holdover staff are really the only people imo that could both masterfully manipulate the press and give inside info on the FO the way it has.
Not a damn thing and it shouldn't.
Mangler
Toro de España
Well, I guess Praytriots sounds a little better than the Houston Holy Ghosts that Easterby would have chosen all white unis for.
I agree with most of this post. BTW, whether DW4 likes it or not Easterby's still going to be here and Caserio will be doing the hiring/firing. As far as the minority hiring thingy, you can live in denial if you wish too. But you will never have to apologize to me because we will never know. The tell will be if they interview Bienemy and I dont think it's going to happen. Caserio isn't going to be in the business of placating DW4.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Nuk was also here for a while..walked out of practice behind McNair’s comments
DB is on record as part of the reason he started wanting out was b/c of BoB McNair’s “inmates” comment and the team’s subsequent actions after that. Basically he got promised something by them that wound up not coming to fruition.
And we know DW4 was upset by the Nuk trade......Now this.
wildroot
Rookie
Caserio is going to hire the HC he wants, and I also think he'll include DW4 in the discussion, if not also the interview.
I also think he'll ask to interview EB, at least I haven't heard him say he wouldn't. If EB declines the interview, it's out of our hands.
I think Cal said it was Caserio's show to run. We have a GM now so let's see how it shakes out. I to don't think DW4 should have been involved in the hiring of the GM and have reservations that he was told he would be, I could be wrong... I thought I heard Cal say that they tried to call DW4 prior to the announcement but they couldn't get ahold of him. If that's true, vacation or not you gotta answer your phone if you want the heads up.
I doubt he's serious about wanting out, especially having just signed that huge contract that I'm guessing doesn't kick in till next year. If he's forcing a trade he loses leverage and the $$$ goes down, especially if he sits out a season or more. I can't see him acting that way.
I don't think he can knock Caserio as being the most qualified between Khan and Riddick, it's a no-brainer. You want to get this org. turned in the right direction, the smart money's on the guy we got.
I also think he'll ask to interview EB, at least I haven't heard him say he wouldn't. If EB declines the interview, it's out of our hands.
I think Cal said it was Caserio's show to run. We have a GM now so let's see how it shakes out. I to don't think DW4 should have been involved in the hiring of the GM and have reservations that he was told he would be, I could be wrong... I thought I heard Cal say that they tried to call DW4 prior to the announcement but they couldn't get ahold of him. If that's true, vacation or not you gotta answer your phone if you want the heads up.
I doubt he's serious about wanting out, especially having just signed that huge contract that I'm guessing doesn't kick in till next year. If he's forcing a trade he loses leverage and the $$$ goes down, especially if he sits out a season or more. I can't see him acting that way.
I don't think he can knock Caserio as being the most qualified between Khan and Riddick, it's a no-brainer. You want to get this org. turned in the right direction, the smart money's on the guy we got.
I think a precedent has been set.
The patients aren't going to be running the asylum down on Kirby.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Anybody preparing themselves for the "what if" Watson gets back from vacation and immediately makes an announcement that he's good with Caserio as GM and looks forward to see who he selects for HC?
Why did I mention this? I have yet to hear anything directly from Watson's mouth that would legitimize the things that are being discussed on this board.
If Watson comes off vacation and announces that he's not happy with the teams course b/c they have not run any of the final decisions past him for his stamp of approval.....this is where the blood in my veins turn to ice.
Once the blood turns to ice.....first call is to Watson. Deshaun, I'm going to give you about an hour to get on the phone with Caserio and handle introductions and ideology on what it's going to take to make the Texans winners. If Watson refuses to be the team leader.....then he's on the market within the next hour. Watson is under contract and would be sent to whichever team brings the winning bid to the table. I wouldn't keep him around since he could turn into a locker room cancer which has all the possibilities of ruining the first season of the new GM and HC.
My guess.....Watson is keeping the Texans first and wants to be here when the organization finally turns the corner.
Why did I mention this? I have yet to hear anything directly from Watson's mouth that would legitimize the things that are being discussed on this board.
If Watson comes off vacation and announces that he's not happy with the teams course b/c they have not run any of the final decisions past him for his stamp of approval.....this is where the blood in my veins turn to ice.
Once the blood turns to ice.....first call is to Watson. Deshaun, I'm going to give you about an hour to get on the phone with Caserio and handle introductions and ideology on what it's going to take to make the Texans winners. If Watson refuses to be the team leader.....then he's on the market within the next hour. Watson is under contract and would be sent to whichever team brings the winning bid to the table. I wouldn't keep him around since he could turn into a locker room cancer which has all the possibilities of ruining the first season of the new GM and HC.
My guess.....Watson is keeping the Texans first and wants to be here when the organization finally turns the corner.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
the other thing is that Caserio at his presser said that things will be discussed as a group....but that the decision will ultimately be his. Which is somewhat different from how the Pats operated where the ultimate decision was BB’s. Well if that’s the case, With Caserio, I don’t think we’ll have to worry about DW4 not being included in any major decisions going forward.
For the record, I'm not in denial about the minority hiring thingy. It's just so unreasonable and far fetch to believe any player would even make that request. Especially since, the Texans use to have a minority GM who at the time he was hired, was one of the youngest GMs in the NFL. A request like that makes great forum narratives but it's one of the craziest things posted on this forum.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
This right here leads me to believe the theory Cal told them he knew all he needed to know about Caserio and he was looking for them to provide some alternatives just so he can be sure he covered all his bases.
Looking at the list they provided there was nobody on it that, IMO, even came close to Caserio’s resume.
Mr. Tex pointed out situations like the DB/Nuk trades that may have DW4 thinking differently.
What I can say with minimal speculation:
1- the Texans hired a highly qualified candidate to be a general manager who the owner has admired for several years.
2- Cal McNair trusts Jack Easterby in a way that is not really understood by nearly everyone not named Cal McNair
3- Easterby has a long-term relationship with the new general manager.
4- The starting QB made one short tweet that has taken a life of its own and said nothing else.
5- there has been a feeding frenzy by media on the motivations of Easterby, Cal McNair, and Watson based on lots of unnamed rumors.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
it’s amazing to me how many people can’t understand this.
How's it different than what BB does?
I'm sure he talked things over with Caserio/Pioli etc.. got their thoughts then BB made a decision just like Caserio will be doing. Do you think BB asked Brady for his thoughts on personnel? I dont and I dont or atleast hope Caserio isn't asking for DW4's input on personnel.
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Houston Holy Ghosts did NOT come to mind when I saw this ALL-white "uniform"
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
It has been reported that DW4’s motivations behind wanting input is he is that he’s speaking on behalf of others on the team as 1 of its leaders.
Excellent summary
The team sucks
Cal shouldn't take any of the player input because if not for contract situations most of them wouldn't be here next yr and wont be here in 2 yrs.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Brady met with BB 1 on 1 weekly during the season. There’s footage of these meetings from Belichick’s 2 part football life...and other shows involving Brady. Now I’m Just guessing, but I’m sure BB talked with Brady & solicited his input about personnel moves here & there. Think about all the guys that have come thru NE’s doors over the years.
chad johnson
Randy moss
Antonio Brown
highly doubt BB didn’t at least check with TB12 before he brought those guys in.....probably didn’t when he let them go, but still.
I'm sure he asked for TB's thoughts and then did what he thought was best.
Kind of like what Cal tried to do with DW4 and the GM/HC hires. I've got a feeling because of how DW4 handled this that those days are long gone.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
they may be long gone simply b/c the job Cal himself set out to do is done. He said he would hire a GM and that the GM would hire the HC. This implies that he will step back once the GM is hired.
this can only mean good things imo.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I wonder what Easterby could’ve done to piss off the status quo up on Kirby.
Dude hasn’t said 1 word this entire time....in fact he doesn’t even attend press conferences that I’ve seen. That doesn’t strike me as someone trying to accumulate power; those types of folks crave the spotlight. He only strikes me as a tattletale. something tells me that a lot of what folks are after him about has to do with Brian Gaine and Palcic b/c that’s when all this crap about him started, albeit it hadn’t come to a fever pitch like it has now.
what are the chances that Easterby “uncovered” some real controversial **** in the FO of the Texans and he told Cal?
Caserio needs to talk to McNair first. If DW4 did in fact ask that a minority be hired, I wouldn’t talk to him.
Well I would tell him point blank I will not guarantee the next HC will be or won’t be a minority. I’m going to interview the most qualified candidates & hire the best fit for the team.
The goal is to win a Super Bowl, not world peace.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
like Earl said, I doubt McNair is THAT dumb to tell DW4 that....but I do believe some type of input overture was made.
texanhead08
All Pro
Lots of rumors about people that were interested in the job wouldn't be as interested if Easterby was still in the building and he managed to convince Cal to hire the one guy who was ok with him still being with the Texans.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Talked to my habanero bbq sauce and was told Watson is mad but he’s not demanding no trade. But the media is going to beat that dead horse to death.
This is another great point that has been ignored on this forum. At the trade deadline, Watson responded to a question by saying, "those boys aren't going anywhere". As a team leader, Watson probably spoke with the players about their concerns and promised to get them addressed. This mess again starts with Cal for not setting expectations.
Right or wrong, he thought he had a seat at the table. It now appears he has as much organizational clout as a practice squad player. I bet that's embarrassing and stings.
If that’s true.... I’m upset.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
which begs the question...what players on this team other than DW4 & Tunsil are players that feel like they’ve garnered enough clout to remain here?
this team went 4-12 last year & only a handful of them are good enough to remain.
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He did and some employees got fired because of what he found to be going on in the FO. One FO employee had a sexual harassment suit brought up against him/Texans.
There are still plenty of FO employees and scouts that know if Easterby stays they are going to be let go and this is why all of this Dysfunction/leaks are happening.
Then you get the media dragging up stuff because they're pulling a Taubman trying to bring the Texans org and Easterby in particular because one of their most favored Libs got fired. (Palcic)
Dont get me wrong I think Easterby should be let go for other reasons, so dont think I'm defending him. Main thing is though Cal who runs the show doesn't feel this way and it doesn't matter what DW4/You/Me or anybody else thinks. Easterby is here to stay for atleast the next 5 yrs. Acceptance is the 1st part of recovery.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
I told him to tell Watson he's wrong for sending mix signals. And that's if he truly wanted to be apart of the decision making, then why the F are you on vacation. The draft will be here sooner than you think and we don't have time to wait on you. Lol
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There is the fact that Cal wanted Caserio last yr. It looks like Cal was just biding his time until Caserio became available.
BTW, if what's rumored is true and DW4 wants to be traded to Miami, what does the GM/HC have in common with DW4?
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I call complete BS on this.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Flores comes from the NE branch as well so he won’t be escaping that either.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Just curious, why?
I don't know if I believe this or not. But it is much more specific than the Watson rumors. It specifically says they were in talks about a deal. Khan could just deny it.
He was one of my favorites, I am disappointed if this is true.
Exactly, that's why the DW4 anti Pats thing is a bunch of BS.
Now if you told me the reason DW4 wants out is Easterby got his guy (Caserio) instead of DW4 getting his guy who would hire Bienemy I would believe it.