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beerlover said:
Martin is more than serviceable. You need quality everywhere but especially the OL.

Before we junk any off this current roster, a new GM and coaching staff need to be in place with clarity of vision and consensus moving forward.
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I think a better top notch OL coach could do wonders for the Texans OL. A very good OL can make an average RB look very good. If there is anything Alex Gibbs should have taught everyone here is your priorities for a a top notch running game are: 1. Good OL coach 2. A good athletic OL 3. A quick intelligent RB, in that order.
 
beerlover said:
Martin is more than serviceable. You need quality everywhere but especially the OL.

Before we junk any off this current roster, a new GM and coaching staff need to be in place with clarity of vision and consensus moving forward.
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Hopefully Cal wont listen to Easterby and hire a proven talent evaluator for the next GM position. (McCloughan/Dorsey)



Corrosion said:
Martin has been terrible ....and there's the cap savings in dumping him.

Then there's the issue of dealing with stunts and passing rushers off - I think most of that on the right side is on Titus but he's hard to replace at this point for several reasons - moving him inside takes some pressure off of him.


But you still need a quality RB , preferably on a cheap contract. There's some retreads out there that could be helpful but .... I don't know if that's money well spent. RB and interior OL are positions that you can get good talent in those mid rounds while those retreads are going to cost somewhere around $3m and you can get a 3rd / 4th round draft pick for ~$725k-$850k in last years draft , that's likely to decrease some with the cap reduction.

You aren't going to get a comparable talent at CB , OT or an edge rusher in that draft range as those are premium positions and you are picking the 10th or lower prospect at those positions by that time where at RB / OG you could be looking at a 3rd rated guy. Having those players on cheap contracts compared to a FA is a bonus & you use your limited cap space on the best FA's you can afford at those premium positions.

The WR spots are gonna be real interesting ....
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You should be able to find a starting RB/OT in this yrs draft in the 4th rd. I'm hoping Heck with this yrs seasoning can become a serviceable RT and they can move Howard inside to OG where I think he would be much more effective.
 
Texian said:
I think a better top notch OL coach could do wonders for the Texans OL. A very good OL can make an average RB look very good. If there is anything Alex Gibbs should have taught everyone here is your priorities for a a top notch running game are: 1. Good OL coach 2. A good athletic OL 3. A quick intelligent RB, in that order.
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Spot on, well said. Hard to just keep writing off talent that has been poorly coached and under utilized their strength.
 
thunderkyss said:
When he finds someone to block he's usually pretty good. It's those times when he had to think & anticipate?

As long as he doesn't need to think or snap the ball , he's serviceable.
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Texans needed a Center, like they needed a press corner in this draft and when they selected Martin is was no big shocker. My first round target, in my mock draft was a center, Ryan Kelly, who the Colts selected just before the Texans pick. Both have been really hampered with injuries. It’s a super critical position, especially if you have your franchise QB.
 
I would like to see a couple of picks dedicated to the OL b/c I see some solid talent possibly being available from RD3 on back. I have my eyes on 2 very good pieces.

RD3- Alaric Jackson / Iowa / 6-6 @ 315 lbs / This guy is a traditional RG and from a school that puts some talent in the NFL along the OL. I see him as a plug-n-play RG who would be playing a position he's familiar with and played throughout college. This pick would give the Texans an opportunity to see who best can cover the RT position.

RD6- James Empy / BYU / 6-4 @ 310 lbs / Empy could fall to RD6 for reasons that would have nothing to do with his accomplishments on the field. He's Mormon and did his mission work which makes him a little old than the average rookie. In my book, this isn't a handicap. He's more mature and will be better prepared to handle the jump. First, he's known for being an extremely smart football player. Second, he's been the Center for QB, Zach Wilson who's going to be a top 10 pick in the upcoming draft. He's a solid anchor in the passing game and a good OL in the run game. I think the Texans could have a steal in RD6 if he's still on the board.

RD7- Trey Sermon / Ohio State / 6-0 @ 220 lbs / Aback who was heavily recruited and wound up signing with Oklahoma. He had some solid seasons with the Sooners and then got injured. He transferred to Ohio State for his senior season and turned in another solid season. What may have opened some eyes was his performance in the BIG10 Championship game.....he rushed for 331 yards. He'll possibly get 2 more big time games this season and any continuation of the B10CG could bump his stock to probably as early as RD6. If he gets a Combine invite, he could bump his stock again. He's known to have solid vision, a 1 cut and go downhill runner, and is known to be a solid blocker. The hit against him is his projected 4.5-40 speed and not really knowing what kind of hands he may possess. In regards to his ability to receive.....he just wasn't utilized in that manner by Ohio State.

UFA- Le'Veon Bell / KC / This one is simple.....Bell is not the feature back in KC and may getting a SB ring this season. He's on a prove-it contract with KC and playing second fiddle to Edwards-Helaire. Bell is an UFA in 2021 and would probably like to get another chance at being a feature back so he can possibly get another decent contract before retiring. Texans would definitely be in need of a new RB1 and Bell should've been here during the last off-season but I would make it a priority to take him out of KC for the 2021 season. I believe there's still plenty of tread on his tires and he could be an excellent addition to the Texans.

These would be my moves to help shore up the Texans OL/running game and do it in one of the most economical ways.
 
badboy said:
I like the safety we just picked up from the Baltimore Ravens. Geno Smith was a very good player 2018 and 2019 although drafted at pick 219.

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Stone

It wouldn't take much to be an upgrade over LoJo.
 
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Man, this team has some rebuilding to do.
Starts with GM and HC.
Then the player roster - well it is not going to be one off season and hey presto!
My list below is just this upcoming offseason - it's gonna take three to build a playoff team.
We desperately need pass rushers - at least one top tier guy to start off.
We need at least one top tier CB.
A reliable quality WR.
We will have to pay dearly for all these, but at this point, we can't leave any money on the table and the franchise will want to do something to be better.
One more thought - our pass D sucked, but so did our run D and with Henry in our division, we will need to fix that if we are to have any chance of winning the division.
We make these acquisitions, we will be a better team next season - maybe not a PO team, but much better than 4-12.
 
Texansphan said:
Man, this team has some rebuilding to do.
Starts with GM and HC.
Then the player roster - well it is not going to be one off season and hey presto!
My list below is just this upcoming offseason - it's gonna take three to build a playoff team.
We desperately need pass rushers - at least one top tier guy to start off.
We need at least one top tier CB.
A reliable quality WR.
We will have to pay dearly for all these, but at this point, we can't leave any money on the table and the franchise will want to do something to be better.
One more thought - our pass D sucked, but so did our run D and with Henry in our division, we will need to fix that if we are to have any chance of winning the division.
We make these acquisitions, we will be a better team next season - maybe not a PO team, but much better than 4-12.
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The quickest way to get better is better OL coaching (I believe the talent is there it just needs to be coached better.) Sign a the best CB you can get in FA after shedding payroll. Then draft a NT/Slot CB and if you get lucky a pass rusher and this team could be a whole lot better next season. Gotta find an upgrade at RB too. Luckily Caerio was pretty good at finding RB's on the cheap.

Harris/White/Burkhead. A combo of later rd draft picks and FA.
 
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If the Texans could trade Cooks (RD3), Watt (RD4 or 2022 RD3), and Fells (RD6)....that would be a start.

Yeah, might as well yank the bandaid in 2021 unless Caserio can find another way move the slugs on defense and Martin.

The 2021 schedule isn’t doing any favors for a 4 win team but another rough season due to low talent and the implementation of completely new systems on both sides of the ball sure would have a massive impact on the 2022 season. The Texans would finally have a full draft and potentially enough cap space to add a top tier veteran or two.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If the Texans could trade Cooks (RD3), Watt (RD4 or 2022 RD3), and Fells (RD6)....that would be a start.

Yeah, might as well yank the bandaid in 2021 unless Caserio can find another way move the slugs on defense and Martin.

The 2021 schedule isn’t doing any favors for a 4 win team but another rough season due to low talent and the implementation of completely new systems on both sides of the ball sure would have a massive impact on the 2022 season. The Texans would finally have a full draft and potentially enough cap space to add a top tier veteran or two.
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I would keep Cooks with a restructured deal. 2 yrs 16 mil with 8 mil guaranteed. They need to have somebody to mentor the young guys and Cooks is a pros pro.
 
thunderkyss said:
What do you think about Greenard? If we were to convert to a 4-3 & they made him a rush end?
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He reminds me of Mercilus coming out of college. Great college player. Will be a solid NFL player. Limited athletically.

Doesn't really move the needle.
 
I believe the Texans were last in time of possession and 25th in red zone scoring. The Texans won't be able to turn the defense around in one season, particularly one in which they have a depleted roster of early round picks, but they can do the next best thing in starting to develop a running game. It helps the defense, it would help the offense drain the clock when holding a lead in the later portions of a game, and it would improve their time of possession numbers.

The no-brainer 3rd round pick s/b the best running back left on the board. And that is where I start my rebuild (at least the draft aspect of team building), or whatever you want to call it.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Make sure you clear as much cap space as possible. You're going to need it in a couple of yrs.

Welcome back.

Hopefully things will be different without BOB renting space in your head.
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Lol, well we'll have more capspace 2023 and especially 2024 we're kind of out of the hole.

Hopefully the 2022-23 drafts hit on some starters and we can round out the roster with free agency.

Seems like a clear path, we'll see how caserio approaches it
 
steelbtexan said:
The quickest way to get better is better OL coaching (I believe the talent is there it just needs to be coached better.) Sign a the best CB you can get in FA after shedding payroll. Then draft a NT/Slot CB and if you get lucky a pass rusher and this team could be a whole lot better next season. Gotta find an upgrade at RB too. Luckily Caerio was pretty good at finding RB's on the cheap.

Harris/White/Burkhead. A combo of later rd draft picks and FA.
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It is easy to find RBs when you have the GOAT at QB.

Will we have similar success with Watson?

We shall see.
 
Thorn said:
While we are rebuilding the team, we should rename it. I'd like to offer a few suggestions.

Houston Disappointments
Houston Chaos
Houston Burial Grounds

And I actually kind of like the Houston Chaos, it's very apt.
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It's all about the burial grounds.

Or it could be Houston Oilers/Texans have had 2 really shitty owners. After all Bob did say Bud was 1 of is mentors.
 
banned1976 said:
I believe the Texans were last in time of possession and 25th in red zone scoring. The Texans won't be able to turn the defense around in one season, particularly one in which they have a depleted roster of early round picks, but they can do the next best thing in starting to develop a running game. It helps the defense, it would help the offense drain the clock when holding a lead in the later portions of a game, and it would improve their time of possession numbers.

The no-brainer 3rd round pick s/b the best running back left on the board. And that is where I start my rebuild (at least the draft aspect of team building), or whatever you want to call it.
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Agreed,

I just want them to pick the best player on the board regardless of position. There are so many holes to fill. Just give me 3 above avg players out of this draft and I will be happy. Last time they were i this position they drafted Reid and Akins. I would be happy with that return. I actually expect mre though because they have a high and mid level 4th,


I think they should be able to trade back into the 3rd using here mid level 4th and there top of the rd 5th. So I theoretically could see them picking top of the 3rd/middle of the 3rd/top of the 4th. There should be plenty of talented those draft spots. The question is will Caserio be able to pick guys that may not be Texans Worthy>
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed,

I just want them to pick the best player on the board regardless of position. There are so many holes to fill. Just give me 3 above avg players out of this draft and I will be happy. Last time they were i this position they drafted Reid and Akins. I would be happy with that return. I actually expect mre though because they have a high and mid level 4th,


I think they should be able to trade back into the 3rd using here mid level 4th and there top of the rd 5th. So I theoretically could see them picking top of the 3rd/middle of the 3rd/top of the 4th. There should be plenty of talented those draft spots. The question is will Caserio be able to pick guys that may not be Texans Worthy>
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I have more hope with Caserio running draft than I have had in a long time.
 
badboy said:
I have more hope with Caserio running draft than I have had in a long time.
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He had seen 18 UDFA make the Patriots roster, 8 of them as starters.

Perhaps he can lure the underrated UDFAs like Foster or some of these guys by selling them that they have a great chance to become a starter on the team.

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We have done well with UDFA and FA pickups. This season Pharaoh Brown and Chad Henson. Eddie Vanderdoes and AA could be starting or playing a lot on Dline.
 
IDEXAN said:
Not too long ago I would have said even thinking three Ones for DW is ridiculous, but I'm starting to believe that Iv'e undervalued him and just how good he is. I'm not sayin I totally agree but maybe he would be just that valuable to certain NFL organizations, I dunno ?
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Maybe we’re not as bad off as I’ve been thinking. The two most critical and difficult pieces to acquire are QB and left tackle and we have them. Yes. We’ll suck for at least one more year but we can put together the rest of the team and still have both Watson and Tunsil in their primes. Trust the process I guess. Lol. Go Texans.
 
Bluehen Texan said:
Maybe we’re not as bad off as I’ve been thinking. The two most critical and difficult pieces to acquire are QB and left tackle and we have them. Yes. We’ll suck for at least one more year but we can put together the rest of the team and still have both Watson and Tunsil in their primes. Trust the process I guess. Lol. Go Texans.
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In theory, I agree with this. But it's the Texans we're talking about here.
 
Bluehen Texan said:
Maybe we’re not as bad off as I’ve been thinking. The two most critical and difficult pieces to acquire are QB and left tackle and we have them. Yes. We’ll suck for at least one more year but we can put together the rest of the team and still have both Watson and Tunsil in their primes. Trust the process I guess. Lol. Go Texans.
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I think a lot of their future success hinges upon how they handle the cap situation this year.

Purging as many of the bad contracts as possible clears a load of space for 2022 and beyond.
 
Thorn said:
In theory, I agree with this. But it's the Texans we're talking about here.
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We all know this is true & expecting them to do as @Corrosion suggests will just lead to frustration.

I believe McClain when he says they fully intend to resign Fuller. & they plan on bringing Jj back.

I think we should expect to see a lot of salary chicanery to make everything fit. Especially before the draft, setting things up in case the draft & trades don't go their way.

Hopefully Caserio changes all that & we do what should be done. But most likely there will be some compromise.

No compromise is acceptable, but what can we do?
 
thunderkyss said:
We all know this is true & expecting them to do as @Corrosion suggests will just lead to frustration.

I believe McClain when he says they fully intend to resign Fuller. & they plan on bringing Jj back.

I think we should expect to see a lot of salary chicanery to make everything fit. Especially before the draft, setting things up in case the draft & trades don't go their way.

Hopefully Caserio changes all that & we do what should be done. But most likely there will be some compromise.

No compromise is acceptable, but what can we do?
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This is just one of those situations where we project a lot on the incoming staff, and what they end up doing will probably be different from what we predict. I'm of mind that I don't like the changes so far, but hey, there's a lot of slack in this rope and a lot of different directions they can go in. I'm gonna try and stay in a wait-'n-see mode for now. Even the new HC, whomever that might end up being, needs to be given time.

You got a great QB to work with and not much else and far too many holes to fix in one off season where you haven't got sh!t for a draft.
 
Bluehen Texan said:
Maybe we’re not as bad off as I’ve been thinking. The two most critical and difficult pieces to acquire are QB and left tackle and we have them. Yes. We’ll suck for at least one more year but we can put together the rest of the team and still have both Watson and Tunsil in their primes. Trust the process I guess. Lol. Go Texans.
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Texans are $20MM over the cap in 2021. You're right when you've to remove $20MM from team you're going to suck. However in 2022 Watson and Tunsil will be a $60MM cap hit. Add in Cooks and it's $73MM, 2022 could be worse than 2021. That said Watson stands to make $65MM over the next two years. Therefore I don't see him leaving before then.
 
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Texian said:
Texans are $20MM over the cap in 2021. You're right when you've to remove $20MM from team you're going to suck. However in 2022 Watson and Tunsil will be a $65MM cap hit. Add in Cooks and it's $75MM, 2022 could be worse than 2021. That said Watson stands to make $65MM over the next two years. Therefore I don't see him leaving before then.
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I just made a similar point elsewhere - that post may belong in this thread.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don’t think they’re necessarily haters, but somehow the draft is more exciting to them than the Super Bowl.
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Or maybe its the idea of a team built to win in 2019 or 2020 now in cap hell with no draft assets and a QB (&LT) who's contract doesn't appear to fit the new window of opportunity.

Think about it , this team just went 4-12 with Watson putting up very good statistics and they are very limited in their ability to add talent to the team for next season when he only counts $15.94m against the cap and the following year he accounts for $40.4m in cap space.

The prospects for improving the team around him in the next two seasons are grim.
It's going to take a year or two to clear the books of the toxic contracts - Mercilus , Martin , Cunningham , McKinney , David Johnson , Cobb , Eric Murray and under performing players and time to accumulate draft picks to put any talent around Watson.

They'll have to dump another $24.46m in salary after next season just to accommodate his cap hit for 22 ... that after having to dump some ~$40m just to fill out the roster for 2021.

Really this has nothing to do with Watson and everything to do with the franchise not having any financial vision beyond 2019 & 2020. Even without the Covid economic issues they'd be in cap hell.


Where's the window to contend with Watson and where's that window to contend without him ?
 
Corrosion said:
Where's the window to contend with Watson and where's that window to contend without him ?
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Watson is 25 years old. It's easier to fix the contract situation (which is also very common in the NFL) than it is to find another one.

So fix the cap, including Watson's 2023 cap number & that window is roughly the same.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem trading Watson for the right price. I'd be disappointed if it's just three 1sts & a couple of late picks.
 
thunderkyss said:
Watson is 25 years old. It's easier to fix the contract situation (which is also very common in the NFL) than it is to find another one.

So fix the cap, including Watson's 2023 cap number & that window is roughly the same.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem trading Watson for the right price. I'd be disappointed if it's just three 1sts & a couple of late picks.
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I'm really not advocating trading him at all .... Just pointing out why some might see it as advantageous.
Problem is , finding his replacement ..... and those don't grow on trees. Unless you are the Packers or Colts who go from Favre to Rodgers / Manning to Luck.

I would NOT trade Watson but I would take 2021 to clear the decks of all those contracts I listed elsewhere. No better time than now to clean up that cap situation and prepare for 22 and beyond.
 
Bluehen Texan said:
Maybe we’re not as bad off as I’ve been thinking. The two most critical and difficult pieces to acquire are QB and left tackle and we have them. Yes. We’ll suck for at least one more year but we can put together the rest of the team and still have both Watson and Tunsil in their primes. Trust the process I guess. Lol. Go Texans.
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They will suck the next 2 yrs due to lack of talent. Then they will suck for another 3-4 yrs due to cap issues. We're in the middle of the lost decade.
 
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