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welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Would make a lot of sense of the whole OB gaining HC & GM duties when he did if Cal was in fact playing GM. This whole flat structure beneath ownership has always made me feel this way. It also makes sense of the fact that he still won’t admit that the talent level on this team is what the record states.
Ive been thinking of the Texans being like the Lions recently. Franchise QB and often some of the best players in the league at their position, yet never able to become a contender for whatever reason.
Texazan
Our HOF 34
I believe she may have not constructed it but you can bet your azz that she had some final say on it which goes back to my post, I'm happy Cal made the BOB change but I still don't trust them. Let your GM do his thing and stay TF out of the way unless we need your input.
What's the point in posting this as fact if you are not willing or unable to post why she would be behind the trade?
She didn’t like his hanger-ons & baby mamas.
I doubt the McNairs and Hopkins are running in the same social circles to have first hand knowledge of this. So, who would tell her about the character of his hanger-ons or how many baby mamas?
Where’s this rabbit hole going?
I don’t know how she knows who Hopkins associates with, but that’s what I’m understanding about the situation.
I can’t back it up. Steelbtexan can’t back it up. But it’s what we believe & anytime someone tries to pin it on Easterby, I disregard everything else they say about Easterby.
Not because I have a soft spot for Easterby, but because that’s how people who don’t know what they’re talking about work.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
......Easters..bee senor.
banned1976
sleeper mode
I'm more interested in knowing who made the decision to fire Chris Olsen. Was it O'Brien alone? Was it Easterby? Was it both of them deciding they wanted to solidify their power w/o Olsen interfering? All I know is that after he was fired, the Texans got themselves into deep water on some ill-advised contracts. The same contracts that is going to be giving the next GM nightmares.
My guess is, Easterby had a hand in all of this. Not Hopkins. That trade is the least of the Texans problems going forward, which is pretty incredible to write. But, then again, who knows what's being secreted away somewhere by the McNair's. CND alluded to something big going on behind the scenes that the McNair's wouldn't want getting out. Wouldn't surprise me.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
And if you can't back it up, then quit trying to pass it off as fact.
Not trying to lead you down a rabbit hole. My point is the media has reported extensively about James Harden and his fondness for strip clubs. You never heard that about Hopkins.
My simple question is Hopkins was with the Texans for seven years. Why after 6 or 7 years, does his baby mamas become an issue? Hopkins is on record about who he associates with. To my knowledge, he has never been in any kind of trouble.
Too often, things are posted as facts on this forum and like a virus, it gets spread around and repeated without anyone questioning it. So, my question again. Why after 6 or 7 years, the Texans' owners are concerned about his private life and wanting to trade him? How would the team owners know about the character of Hopkins' hanger-ons and baby mamas?
What's changed the last couple years?
Or was it Olsen saying, “It’s him or me.” Referring to new GM O’Brien and/or Easterby?
banned1976
sleeper mode
I’m not.
this is the reason I disregard all that’s being said about Easterby by people who throw the Hopkins trade in Easterby’s wheelhouse.
you’re free to believe what you want. I’m just saying why I don’t trust them & their Easterby conspiracy.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Olsen was lower on the pecking order than both O'Brien and Easterby. Unusual power play move if it was Olsen dictating terms.
Olsen probably didn’t agree with the stupid crap they were wanting to do. I’m not saying it was a power play. Just not wanting to carry out their plans
I was just commenting on what DB/Corrosion etc... Put out there. If you have an issue with this take it up with them. I do find it humorous that your petty enough to call me out but not the mods. What are you scared of
Another momma
So, without question, you just repeat ad nauseum whatever DB/Corrosion, etc posts? Before repeating it, did YOU question why it's an issue now and not before? As far as petty. If @Double Barrel or @Corrosion made the same post with the same frequency, I would ask the same question. I have nothing to be scared of. I don't think asking a simple question to back something that is being posted frequently is ban worthy.
For years, we complained about the board room mentality of the Texans and how we can't figure out who made a decision. This week, we were still arguing about who was responsible for the Osweiler signing. Even today, we can't figure out how much Easterby was involved in O'Brien's personnel decisions, but when it comes to the Hopkins' trade, poster(s) can say without a doubt it was Janice McNair and out of curiosity, I would like to know why.
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I can't tell you the story , I can tell you that it's 100% factual ....
I can tell you that the story was corroborated by at least 4 different sources.
I'm almost shocked that the story hasn't been blown by the media to this point either because without a doubt they do know , my only assumption is that breaking this story isn't worth losing their credentials / access to the team over.
Why won't I break it ? .... I won't betray the confidence of those that shared the information with me. I like having the access to information that I do ....
Quoted for truth
I'm not giving up where I heard this from but it was from a couple of different sources. One guy works for 610.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
What exactly is "factual" here? Janice was behind the Nuk trade? So the SI article, claiming it was Easterby, was wrong?
Texansballer74
The Marine
My sauces whatever the flavor is says otherwise. It could’ve been the bbq sauce or the habanero ranch dipping sauce. They said Momma was the spearhead of that trade. Bill O’Brien was the villain. Lol
Yes , the SI article is false.
Essentially Janice handed down a mandate - Get rid of Hopkins.
Easterby is just someone to heap all the blame on.
Eventually it will all come out and it'll make more sense.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Bottom line is, ownership determines these types of decisions. They eventually sign off on these super star moves.
On Easterby, he was supposedly valued for his character. I haven’t seen that manifest itself on to the team. Two of the best players recently got popped for PED’s, Watt has been miserable all season, there has been finger pointing from players to other players, and there was open rebellion against the HC earlier.
So I ask in all sincerity, what value does Easterby have that someone would even feel compelled to defend him? I don’t write off the SI article in its entirety. I believe there is truth in it. I do believe Easterby provides an element of distrust in the upper levels of the organization. I believe he is a liability to the future success of the team. Even though I believe what I’ve heard about the real reasons Hopkins was traded, it doesn’t change anything in regards to Easterby. He enjoys power and will do anything to be around it. But most importantly, he isn’t qualified to make football decisions, especially those that are critical to the future of this team.
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My question still stands. Why did his private life become an issue after 7 years? Did Bob McNair didn’t care and Janice does?
My thought on the Hopkins trade is this:
Given that BOB was absolutely crucified as a monumental doofus for making that trade you would think after he was fired something would have come out from his side. I’m not saying he would throw Janice under the bus BUT I would expect him to state on the record the trade wasn’t his idea and leave it at that or something to that effect
Given that BOB was absolutely crucified as a monumental doofus for making that trade you would think after he was fired something would have come out from his side. I’m not saying he would throw Janice under the bus BUT I would expect him to state on the record the trade wasn’t his idea and leave it at that or something to that effect
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Good grief. If we’re going to continue to rehash this, which this is TexansTalk, that’s what we do, I don’t really care who who gave the order to trade him or for what reason. Them getting raped on the deal is the real issue here.
If Janice didn’t want him it’s Janice’s football team. She gives the order, that’s fine. Like Earl, I wonder why it took 7 years, but whatevs. Point is, trades happen in sports for whatever reason. And whatever that reason is, you still have to get adequate value in return. That falls on the football people. Easterby, O’Brien, whoever made that deal, deservedly needs to be crushed, for that specifically.
If Janice didn’t want him it’s Janice’s football team. She gives the order, that’s fine. Like Earl, I wonder why it took 7 years, but whatevs. Point is, trades happen in sports for whatever reason. And whatever that reason is, you still have to get adequate value in return. That falls on the football people. Easterby, O’Brien, whoever made that deal, deservedly needs to be crushed, for that specifically.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Ditto. Anyone on the team is tradeable, as long as you get proper to better value. Also, it was 2017 the Texans gave him an extension and made him the highest paid receiver in the league. A contract that ownership definitely signed off on. So what happened in those 2-3 years that made him a detriment to the team?
Texian
Hall of Fame
Deshaun Watson became a Houston Texan. (Think off the field, NOT on the field).
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badboy
Hall of Fame
Why does the entire length of Hops time with Texans have to be 'baby mama' time? Perhaps it was only last 1 to 3? Could it be something that progressed like many if not most things?
Why could not another player contact the owners? Or an agent or as some have suggested another player's mother?
Example JJ Watt's mom calls Janice McNair "mom to mom" about non Texan behavior by another star player. She passes word down for Obrien to speak to Hopkins. It blows up from there. Bill O'Brien does as instructed.
Don't ever trust habanero... bad intentions from the start. I'm speaking from experience.
Imagine how bad it would be if we didn't have Easterby.
If he's smart, it would come out in future job interviews only. No one wants their bagman to have loose lips.
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& if you believe this, which I do, you have to write off these "reporters" who blame Easterby.
That doesn't in anyway justify or support Easterby. Just tells me not to listen to those guys regarding anything they say they know about the Texans.
That's the part no one is willing to discuss.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Not if he wants another coaching job in the NFL. You throw one NFL owner under the bus you throw 32 NFL owners under the bus. Don't think for a moment that Janice/Cal didn't sign off on Hopkins departure. They may have even demanded it.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Texian
Hall of Fame
I was right there with you. Many wanted to tar and feather me as hater. McNair's image was highly protected and well managed. Why many considered him one the best owners in sports. It wasn't long until the real truth came out that Bob was involved in many player decisions just like his nemesis Jerry Jones. As meddling owners their teams kind of mirror each other.
I'm sure most here have experienced Mom and Dad getting involved with friends they were allowed to hang out with. I'm guessing almost everyone had that one friend Mom and Dad didn't want you being friends with because they were a bad influence on you.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
I cannot see Watson complaining to McNairs about Dhop or JJ Watt doing so either. Whom else has cachet to get Janice to pick up the telephone? Who else would have concern about Dhop's behavior? We don't have a young dynamic player who could be negatively impacted being around Nuk...do we? That's not JJ at least even if his mom is perceived as "wholesome". Justin Reid? I doubt anyone is aware of his mom, I'm not but I'm certain she is wholesome. Somehow I cannot see Justin's Mom calling lady McNair.
So...whom else?
I cannot see Watson complaining to McNairs about Dhop or JJ Watt doing so either. Whom else has cachet to get Janice to pick up the telephone? Who else would have concern about Dhop's behavior? We don't have a young dynamic player who could be negatively impacted being around Nuk...do we? That's not JJ at least even if his mom is perceived as "wholesome". Justin Reid? I doubt anyone is aware of his mom, I'm not but I'm certain she is wholesome. Somehow I cannot see Justin's Mom calling lady McNair.
So...whom else?
Watson's mom?
Texian
Hall of Fame
I don't think Watson would be the one doing the complaining. I can see Watson enjoying the wine, women and song.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yes. So...if Janice did nothing for three years and no player complained and as you said #4 became more in public eye with his girlfriend (somewhere I started a thread) and enjoying the wine women and song again as you said - - who could have concern? Concern and absolutely knew if a call was made the owner of Texans would respond. I am counting on my hand. 1 and
austins23
Hall of Fame
Keeping with the “Hopkins “ theme...did anyone see that the Arizona media was questioning Hopkins about him missing something like 21 out of 40 practices, or close.
His response was “There’s a reason I play football and they don’t.”
Not sure what to make of that. I think he is starting to sound like a diva WR. Just my opinion.
His response was “There’s a reason I play football and they don’t.”
Not sure what to make of that. I think he is starting to sound like a diva WR. Just my opinion.
Initially, I thought about this. But, Watson has been attending QB camps since high school. He has been around Cam Newton, Michael Vick, the Falcons and even former Clemson players who are in the NFL. So, the way these players are living should not be a surprise to Watson or his mom.
This is the problem with “insider“ postings that provide insufficient or vague details for inquiring minds. At the end of the day it’s worthless.
badboy
Hall of Fame
If JB is correct being around bad boys (not me of course) in a QB camp would not seem to be the same as being a teammate for three years with more In the future. Also as some since the trade occurred have posted Hopkins 'behavior" deteriorated and became more in the public knowledge the last two seasons. Dashaun's girlfriend arrived on the scene recently and Deann Watson might have seen a bad moon on the rise and concern about her son.
Important to remember, it's not about how we see or interpret things but the way people closer to the scene do.
Does any other scenario make better sense? The mother of our franchise quarterback being upset and calling a mother who owns the team to voice her concern and said owner agreeing and attempting to mollify sends her demand to the GM head coach " get him out of here now I don't care what you get for him! " Dislike BOB or not, that makes way more sense than an NFL coach doing that trade.
Anyone can still dislike Bill O'Brien just not for Hopkins.
I said in my post BOB could easily let it be known it wasn’t his idea without throwing the owner under the bus. I also had contacts with the team (they are no longer there) and I do know that BOB absolutely had issues with Hopkins practice habits, and that they had planned to trade him to recoup the draft picks from the Tunsil trade. Im not doubting that Janice had an issue with Hopkins BUT I do know BOB had a hand in it as well