Watson’s a top 5 qb. Do you agree?

[ClemsonTexan]

but why not a three-step drop? etc. etc.

It's already been explained that a 3-step drop is for shorter routes such as slants, hitches, outs, etc. If you have a Tyreek Hill or Jerry Jeudy, or better yet, a DeAndre Hopkins, who can take a slant to the House, then it's not a bad play call. But in a situation where you need 11 yards for a first down, you are not going to call a play that is going to net you 6.

So that is the logic behind calling a longer pass play. You are playing to get the first down. And you might as well because whether you're punting from your own 5 or your own 11, your field position is going to suck either way.

Now I know the 20/20 hindsight brigade will say "you don't pass from your own end zone, you dummy!" But this literally happens all the time. I'm sure it's not even the first time it's happened with Watson under center.

 

[FuzzyLogic]

Sorry you'll have to speak slower and use smaller words, I'm not able to follow you.

 

[ClemsonTexan]

Sorry you'll have to speak slower and use smaller words, I'm not able to follow you.

You're welcome. No need to ask the question again. Mmkay.

 

[ClemsonTexan]

What an idiot Dabo Swinney is here. Everyone knows you can't call a pass play from your own end zone. C'mon! I just hope Watson knows his feet are in the end zone. He's not very smart so he needs me to point this fact out to him.

 

[steelbtexan]

Nope. No idea who those posters are. I do remember a poster saying Brissett was better than Watson. Do you remember who that was? A master evaluator of talent, this poster was.

He was playing better back then. The Colts were smart to move on. The Texans would have been smart to move on after DW4'S rookie contract. Oh well water under the bridge.

 

[ClemsonTexan]

The Texans would have been smart to move on after DW4'S rookie contract. Oh well water under the bridge.

Sure. Because the smart thing to do when you have a young QB who has been selected to the Pro Bowl twice is to play QB roulette again so you can draft a Sam Darnold. Or a Daniel Jones. Or a Josh Rosen. Or a Carson Wentz. Or a Jared Goff. Or a Jameis Winston. Or a Marcus Mariota. Or a Blake Bortles. Or a Johnny Manziel. Or an E.J. Manuel. Or a Robert Griffin. Or a Jake Locker. Or a Blaine Gabbert. Or a Christian Ponder. Or a Sam Bradford. Or a Mark Sanchez. Or a Josh Freeman. Or a Jamarcus Russell. Or a Brady Quinn. Or a Vince Young. Or a Matt Leinart. Or a Jay Cutler.

Good QBs are oh so easy to find.

 

[ClemsonTexan]

I guess the Texans could roll with Jimmy G, the QB steel wanted oh so badly. Apparently, however, Jimmy G does not read defenses well and is slow making his way through progressions. Maybe BOB could have fixed him. Who knows?

 

[steelbtexan]

Sure. Because the smart thing to do when you have a young QB who has been selected to the Pro Bowl twice is to play QB roulette again so you can draft a Sam Darnold. Or a Daniel Jones. Or a Josh Rosen. Or a Carson Wentz. Or a Jared Goff. Or a Jameis Winston. Or a Marcus Mariota. Or a Blake Bortles. Or a Johnny Manziel. Or an E.J. Manuel. Or a Robert Griffin. Or a Jake Locker. Or a Blaine Gabbert. Or a Christian Ponder. Or a Sam Bradford. Or a Mark Sanchez. Or a Josh Freeman. Or a Jamarcus Russell. Or a Brady Quinn. Or a Vince Young. Or a Matt Leinart. Or a Jay Cutler.

Good QBs are oh so easy to find.

Here's the deal, since 1994 no QB has made more than 13.2 percent of the cap. So I would only keep a QB for his rookie contract plus maybe 2 more yrs on the cheap part of his 2nd contract and draft a new QB every 4 or 5 years. Kind of like the Packers did with Favre and Rodgers/Rodgers and Love.

 

[Texansballer74]

NVM

 

[ClemsonTexan]

Here's the deal, since 1994 no QB has made more than 13.2 percent of the cap. So I would only keep a QB for his rookie contract plus maybe 2 more yrs on the cheap part of his rookie contract and draft a new QB every 4 or 5 years. Kind of like the Packers did with Favre and Rodgers/Rodgers and Love.

Or kinda like the Redskins did with Patrick Ramsey, Ramsey/Brunell, Brunell/Campbell, Campbell/Collins/McNabb, McNabb/Collins/Griffin, Griffin/Cousins/Smith, Smith/Brennan, Brennan/Haskins, Haskins/Brennan/Smith.

I suppose that's a decent 35 to 50 year plan. The Redskins last made it to a SB in 1992. It's going to happen again any day now. Just keep drafting QBs.

 

[steelbtexan]

What an idiot Dabo Swinney is here. Everyone knows you can't call a pass play from your own end zone. C'mon! I just hope Watson knows his feet are in the end zone. He's not very smart so he needs me to point this fact out to him.

Where did I ever say it was dumb to throw out of the EZ?

 

[steelbtexan]

Or kinda like the Redskins did with Patrick Ramsey, Ramsey/Brunell, Brunell/Campbell, Campbell/Collins/McNabb, McNabb/Collins/Griffin, Griffin/Cousins/Smith, Smith/Brennan, Brennan/Haskins, Haskins/Brennan/Smith.

I suppose that's a decent 35 to 50 year plan. The Redskins last made it to a SB in 1992. It's going to happen again any day now. Just keep drafting QBs.

Cant get past the cap fact I see.

The Packers have done pretty well with their QB plan.

BTW, I meant 2 more yrs of his 2nd contract as long as those 2 yrs were cheap.

 

[steelbtexan]

I guess the Texans could roll with Jimmy G, the QB steel wanted oh so badly. Apparently, however, Jimmy G does not read defenses well and is slow making his way through progressions. Maybe BOB could have fixed him. Who knows?

He did well under BB.

Checkout his starting record in the NFL. (Not Clemson)

Started in a SB last yr.

Not too bad, despite your commentary.

 

[steelbtexan]

It's already been explained that a 3-step drop is for shorter routes such as slants, hitches, outs, etc. If you have a Tyreek Hill or Jerry Jeudy, or better yet, a DeAndre Hopkins, who can take a slant to the House, then it's not a bad play call. But in a situation where you need 11 yards for a first down, you are not going to call a play that is going to net you 6.

So that is the logic behind calling a longer pass play. You are playing to get the first down. And you might as well because whether you're punting from your own 5 or your own 11, your field position is going to suck either way.

Now I know the 20/20 hindsight brigade will say "you don't pass from your own end zone, you dummy!" But this literally happens all the time. I'm sure it's not even the first time it's happened with Watson under center.

Nope you run a deep pass or an out/slant and tell your QB to throw the ball away at the 1st signs of trouble. There should be a WR in the area. Actually you shouldn't have to tell your QB this. He should already know this by the time he reaches the NFL.

 

[Texansballer74]

B Farve played 17 years with the Packers.

A Rodgers 16 years.

That really doesn’t back up your stance here. You wanted Watson traded after 4 years.

 

[steelbtexan]

Here's a still of when DW was at the top of his drop and he possibly notices #50 coming free. Do you think he has a passing lane to Akins? To me, it doesn't look like it. He could have possibly lobbed one over #50 & #96, but then there's a DB sitting (you can kind of see him at the bottom-left of pic) that could have picked that type of pass off.

Another thing to notice is there were no sideline routes. If there was, he could have just chucked it out of bounds around the vicinity of the receiver.

DW's first instinct is to escape to the right, but then notices two Colts got that plugged up. That's pretty much when he realizes... protect the ball and take the sack.

I dont see in that shot that there's no receivers on the outside.

 

[ClemsonTexan]

He did well under BB.

Checkout his starting record in the NFL. (Not Clemson)

Started in a SB last yr.

Not too bad, despite your commentary.

Yeah.

So why have QBs like Jimmy G, Goff (also made it to a SB) and Wentz regressed while Watson continues to improve despite being on a worse team? Do they not have the processing speed Watson has to thrive at the position?

 

[steelbtexan]

B Farve played 17 years with the Packers.

A Rodgers 16 years.

That really doesn’t back up your stance here. You wanted Watson traded after 4 years.

Rodgers was there for like 6 to 8 yrs before he became the starter. Rodgers still took up less than 13.2 % of the cap when he won a SB.

Same with Rodgers and currently Love.

 

[ClemsonTexan]

Nope you run a deep pass or an out/slant and tell your QB to throw the ball away at the 1st signs of trouble. There should be a WR in the area. Actually you shouldn't have to tell your QB this. He should already know this by the time he reaches the NFL.

How do you run a deep pass off of a 3-step drop? Keep in mind, the question was why a play requiring only a 3-step drop wasn't called. If you're going to run a play requiring a "deep pass," as you suggest, you are going to call a play that requires the same drop that Watson took.

 

[steelbtexan]

Yeah.

So why have QBs like Jimmy G, Goff (also made it to a SB) and Wentz regressed while Watson continues to improve despite being on a worse team? Do they not have the processing speed Watson has to thrive at the position?

This is a very subjective post.

Jimmy G has always been very good when not injured. His record with 2 different orgs. Look at the 49ers records before Jimmy G and their record without Jimmy G. You can debate all you want but theirs no debating Jimmy G's a winner. Hopefully DW4 can eventually achieve what Jimmy G's already accomplished. Injury is Jimmy G's main issue not the stuff you posted.

 

[JB]

So why aren’t we talking about Fairbairn ? Or what about Mercilus for 10 straight pages.

Neither of them is the face of the franchise at the mosr important position in sports

 

[steelbtexan]

How do you run a deep pass off of a 3-step drop? Keep in mind, the question was why a play requiring only a 3-step drop wasn't called. If you're going to run a play requiring a "deep pass," as you suggest, you are going to call a play that requires the same drop that Watson took.

Fly pattern, it only has to be 15- 30 yds down the field. I've seen for 50 yrs QB's taking 3-5 step drops and throwing 9 routes. Maybe you've heard of them. I tried to describe this route 2 different ways. I misspoke when I said a deep ball.

 

[ClemsonTexan]

This is a very subjective post.

Jimmy G has always been very good when not injured. His record with 2 different orgs. Look at the 49ers records before Jimmy G and their record without Jimmy G. You can debate all you want but theirs no debating Jimmy G's a winner. Hopefully DW4 can eventually achieve what Jimmy G's already accomplished. Injury is Jimmy G's main issue not the stuff you posted.

What do you mean a "subjective post"? Jimmy G threw 7 TDs to 5 INTs through 6 games. Jackson Krueger walked through his play in the video I posted and explained exactly how he has regressed. How are inferior stats YoY not an indication of regression?

 

[steelbtexan]

What do you mean a "subjective post"? Jimmy G threw 7 TDs to 5 INTs through 6 games. Jackson Krueger walked through his play in the video I posted and explained exactly how he has regressed. How are inferior stats YoY not an indication of regression?

He's played injured most of this yr. Regression is to be expected.

 

[ClemsonTexan]

Fly pattern, it only has to be 15- 30 yds down the field. I've seen for 50 yrs QB's taking 3-5 step drops and throwing 9 routes. Maybe you've heard of them. I tried to describe this route 2 different ways. I misspoke when I said a deep ball.

A fly route. And "only" 15-30 yards down the field?

Man, the armchair QB'ing is strong round these here parts.

 

[ClemsonTexan]

He's played injured most of this yr. Regression is to be expected.

What does that have to do with his decision-making? I know you didn't even bother to watch the film study. That's okay though.

Deshaun Watson suffered a torn ACL his rookie season and then played with a partially collapsed lung his sophomore season. Somehow, he still managed to post a better passer rating than Jimmy G did through 6 games. Why is that?

 

[ClemsonTexan]

Also, why are the 49ers beat writers for Sports Illustrated proposing a Watson-Jimmy G trade that would ship Jimmy G to Houston with multiple 1st round picks? I thought Jimmy G was a franchise QB. Who gives up a franchise QB along with 1st round picks? Would BOB even do such a thing?

 

[Texansballer74]

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Here's the deal, since 1994 no QB has made more than 13.2 percent of the cap. So I would only keep a QB for his rookie contract plus maybe 2 more yrs on the cheap part of his 2nd contract and draft a new QB every 4 or 5 years. Kind of like the Packers did with Favre and Rodgers/Rodgers and Love.

I hope you are taking into consideration.....after the Mahomes / Watson deals, this will be the new norm for NFL QB's. By 2021 the cap will be adjusted and all this 13%+ stuff will be water under the bridge. Big argument for nothing. You haven't even left the option open that Watson may be willing to re-negotiate his contract via an extension that could really help with the cap. Try being a little optimistic.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

He's played injured most of this yr. Regression is to be expected.

Damm those excuses.....this is the NFL, there ain't no excuses in the NFL.

 

[ClemsonTexan]

Sorry, your personal eye test is not "evidence." And you simply saying that it hasn't improved is not real analysis. Your contention is that Watson's processing speed has not improved in 4 years. Mark Schofield says exactly the opposite.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1320841644556623878

Until you start providing schematics detailing the play call and design as well as the defense in those situations, and explaining the progression the QB should be going through on each individual play, no one here is inclined to accord any weight to anything you say.

You made the claim. Now back it up.

I'm still waiting on steel's breakdown by the way. Eagerly awaiting it. I'm looking forward to his analysis of specific plays with discussion of the formations, personnel groupings, defensive back leverages, whether DBs/safeties are using a banjo technique, pre and post snap reads, protections, throwing mechanics, etc.

 

[Texansballer74]

Damm those excuses.....this is the NFL, there ain't no excuses in the NFL.

Something they uses all the time whenever we states the reason why Watson isn’t successful with this team. Funny how that card is played huh lol

 

[steelbtexan]

Damm those excuses.....this is the NFL, there ain't no excuses in the NFL.

Agreed, no excuses.

But a drop off should be expected to the tune of his ankle was so bad he's likely out for the yr and the 49ers season is done.

 

[JB]

Rodgers was there for like 6 to 8 yrs before he became the starter.

Your memory sux!

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Agreed, no excuses.

But a drop off should be expected to the tune of his ankle was so bad he's likely out for the yr and the 49ers season is done.

You might say the same thing about busted ribs and a collapsed lung.

 

[ClemsonTexan]

Uh oh.

After suffering their worst loss since 2018 — a 43-17 defeat at the hands of the Miami Dolphins — the San Francisco 49ers were left with a ton of questions. The most glaring one swirls around starting quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, who was benched in favor of backup C.J. Beathard after tossing two interceptions and completing just seven of 17 pass attempts.

Garoppolo is the first quarterback since Colin Kaepernick to lead the 49ers to a winning record and a Super Bowl appearance, but since the second half of the Super Bowl, Garoppolo has regressed mightily. That regression continued in Week 5 and ultimately landed the QB on the sideline.

Garoppolo has been dealing with an ankle sprain that caused him to miss the prior two games, and the Niners have been decimated by injuries on both sides of the ball. Despite the ailment, there have been whispers about who the starting quarterback should be dating back some months. Nick Mullens and Beathard each have played well in spurts, but it's clear neither is worthy of starting on a Super Bowl contender. While there are some fans who would like to see a possible QB change in-season, the honest truth is that Garoppolo is still the best option out of the three.

Most logical ways the 49ers can move on from Jimmy Garoppolo

Just months after Jimmy Garoppolo led the 49ers to a Super Bowl appearance, many wonder if he's the best quarterback option for San Francisco.

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So during the off-season, there were questions about whether Jimmy G would be starting over Nick Mullen and C.J. Beathard? And even after the start of the season, it still wasn't readily apparent to everyone that Jimmy G was the best of their 3 QBs? In all fairness, Nick Mullens and C.J. Beathard do represent stiff competition, and we can't be sure that Watson would beat out either for a starting QB job. /s

 

[Texansballer74]

Mike Vick weighs in on Watson being a top 5 quarterback.

 

[steelbtexan]

Something they uses all the time whenever we states the reason why Watson isn’t successful with this team. Funny how that card is played huh lol

Is DW4 out for the season or is he hurt and we haven't heard about it?

I gave DW4 the benefit of the doubt when he was playing with a punctured lung. He actually played much better than I thought he would and I thought the future was bright. Not so much now with the same mistakes being repeated and the cap hit that's around the corner the future isn't near as bright as I thought it would be. I haven't even brought up the Texans lack of drafting acumen and lack of participation in top tier FA because I dont know who the next regime is going to consist of.

 

[ClemsonTexan]

This is damning. Maybe Jimmy G could sit in the QB room with DW4 and learn to speed up his decision-making process.

All you have to do to limit Garoppolo’s effectiveness is to mush-rush the edges so it’s harder for him to boot outside, and muddy the middle reads so he has to think beyond his capabilities. In football parlance, Garoppolo is not, and has never been a comfortable “Middle of the Field Closed” (MOFC) thrower. If things don’t make sense to him over the middle, bad things are going to happen. This interception by Patriots safety Devin McCourty in Week 7 is a perfect example.

Pre-snap, the Patriots showed a Cover-0 look — a man-based blitz concept with no deep safety. But McCourty dropped to the deep third, safety Terrence Brooks worked to rob the middle, and Garoppolo threw behind Kittle for an easy pick. You see this a lot from Garoppolo and other rudimentary quarterbacks — they throw late, and throw their receivers closed — because their processing speed does not match the speed of the game.

It might be the end of the Jimmy Garoppolo era in San Francisco, and that's okay

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Steel, it might be time for you to cut Jimmy G loose. He doesn't have the processing speed a franchise QB like DW4 possesses.

 

[Texansballer74]

You might say the same thing about busted ribs and a collapsed lung.

I was about to say the same thing but I deleted it and posted a video of Vick saying he’s a top 5 quarterback. And how sometimes it’s take time to adjust when losing your best receiver.

 

[steelbtexan]

Uh oh.

Most logical ways the 49ers can move on from Jimmy Garoppolo

Just months after Jimmy Garoppolo led the 49ers to a Super Bowl appearance, many wonder if he's the best quarterback option for San Francisco.

www.yardbarker.com

So during the off-season, there were questions about whether Jimmy G would be starting over Nick Mullen and C.J. Beathard? And even after the start of the season, it still wasn't readily apparent to everyone that Jimmy G was the best of their 3 QBs? In all fairness, Nick Mullens and C.J. Beathard do represent stiff competition, and we can't be sure that Watson would beat out either for a starting QB job. /s

Questions from who?

LMAO

BTW, I think Lil Shanny moves on from Jimmy G this offseason and Jimmy G ends up back in Foxboro where he never should've left. Speaking of meddlesome owners.

 

[steelbtexan]

You might say the same thing about busted ribs and a collapsed lung.

I already did say the same thing when DW4 was hurt. Look upthread.

 

[ClemsonTexan]

Also, I'm still waiting on steel's analysis. He said Watson has not improved since his rookie season. Should I assume he's working on the power point now? I can't wait for him to provide a counter to Mark Schofield's and Sam Gold's film studies. I am certain he will bring all the knowledge of the game he has acquired from Tecmo Bowl to bear.

 

[steelbtexan]

I was about to say the same thing but I deleted it and posted a video of Vick saying he’s a top 5 quarterback. And how sometimes it’s take time to adjust when losing your best receiver.

Brady/Brees/Rodgers seemed to be able to WR groups quickly.

 

[steelbtexan]

Also, I'm still waiting on steel's analysis. He said Watson has not improved since his rookie season. Should I assume he's working on the power point now? I can't wait for him to provide a counter to Mark Schofield's and Sam Gold's film studies.

1st of all who are Schofield/Gold and why are their opinions more valid than my opinion after watching the NFL for 50 yrs.

DW4 has improved in some areas, not the ones that lead to championships. Exhibit 1: Last Sunday

 

[steelbtexan]

It's not second guessing, 0 pts in the 2nd half, Sacked for a safety when he should have gotten rid of the ball. A fumble that DW4 said he should have caught etc ..

Indianapolis Watson's 2

Houston Watson's 0

In the 2nd half

 

[steelbtexan]

Your memory sux!

Too much clean living earlier in life. LOL

 

[ClemsonTexan]

In all sincerity, I really do hope DW4 takes Jimmy G under his wings and serves as a mentor of sorts. I want Jimmy G to get to this level.

The kind of manipulation that does is the kind we are going to look at today, with examples from Matthew Stafford and Deshaun Watson. Moving an underneath defender to create a throwing lane. Getting a cornerback to shift his weight with a pump fake. Moving a half-field safety before throwing a vertical route up the numbers. When you can get a defender out of position in those moments, you are showing manipulation that matters.

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One day, Jimmy. One day.

 

[ClemsonTexan]

1st of all who are Schofield/Gold and why are their opinions more valid than my opinion after watching the NFL for 50 yrs.

Schofield is the creator of Inside the Pylon and a former D-1 quarterback. Sam Gold is an NFL film analyst. Dan Orlovsky is a former NFL QB. And those guys aren't offering opinion. They are offering analysis, which is something you have yet to offer.

So again, I sincerely hope you can tell us the formation the Texans are in as well as the personnel grouping. I want you to walk us through the route combinations. Is it an inverted smash concept? Then walk us through the defense. Is it Tampa 2? Quarters? Cloud coverage? Cover 0? Please walk us through how the DBs are leveraged and where Watson needs to place the ball based on that leverage. Are the down linemen playing a 2 or 3 technique? Can you walk us through the blocking scheme? Is Watson supposed to drop back to 9 and hitch to 8 or drop back to 7 and hitch to 6? Are any receivers hot?

Like I said, I truly look forward to your analysis.

 

[steelbtexan]

Schofield is the creator of Inside the Pylon and a former D-1 quarterback. Sam Gold is an NFL film analyst. Dan Orlovsky is a former NFL QB. And those guys aren't offering opinion. They are offering analysis, which is something you have yet to offer.

So again, I sincerely hope you can tell us the formation the Texans are in as well as the personnel grouping. I want you to walk us through the route combinations. Is it an inverted smash concept? Then walk us through the defense. Is it Tampa 2? Quarters? Cloud coverage? Cover 0? Please walk us through how the DBs are leveraged and where Watson needs to place the ball based on that leverage. Are the down linemen playing a 2 or 3 technique? Can you walk us through the blocking scheme? Is Watson supposed to drop back to 9 and hitch to 8 or drop back to 7 and hitch to 6? Are any receivers hot?

Like I said, I truly look forward to your analysis.

I never said anything about formations, that's Corrosion/Mr Tex/Snake Eyes thingy I'm sure one of them will take time to educate you., but there were options to get rid of the ball. I wish I could post the video of Olovsky running out of the back of the EZ accidentally.

It was very entertaining. I LMAO, Actually when you think about it Olovsky/DW4 have something in common now. Clemson guys SMDH