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steelbtexan said:
You could say this about just about any starting QB vs backup QB's records on any team. Fact is in today's NFL your team is only as good as it's QB.
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Again, that would be incorrect. A NFL team is only as good as the GM who constructed the team. A NFL team is also only as good as the coaches who were hired to coach the talent the GM provided him. A NFL team is only as successful as the players who can execute the vision of the GM and HC.

So, at what point does the QB have a say in what the GM and HC accomplishes.......pretty much when they have built a successful team around the QB. I believe this all falls back on the old quandary.....what came first, the chicken or the egg?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Again, that would be incorrect. A NFL team is only as good as the GM who constructed the team. A NFL team is also only as good as the coaches who were hired to coach the talent the GM provided him. A NFL team is only as successful as the players who can execute the vision of the GM and HC.

So, at what point does the QB have a say in what the GM and HC accomplishes.......pretty much when they have built a successful team around the QB. I believe this all falls back on the old quandary.....what came first, the chicken or the egg?
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You need to look at backup QB's records when they start NFL games.
 
steelbtexan said:
You need to look at backup QB's records when they start NFL games.
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Herbert was the backup in SD. He came in and has done a nice job but the Chargers look like shite and lose like crazy. Does this make Herbert a shite QB b/c he can't string victories together? Based on your method of assessment, it's going to be a long 4 years b/c excuses get no play when assessing. Boy, the Chargers really screwed the pooch selecting that failure of a QB.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Again, that would be incorrect. A NFL team is only as good as the GM who constructed the team. A NFL team is also only as good as the coaches who were hired to coach the talent the GM provided him. A NFL team is only as successful as the players who can execute the vision of the GM and HC.

So, at what point does the QB have a say in what the GM and HC accomplishes.......pretty much when they have built a successful team around the QB. I believe this all falls back on the old quandary.....what came first, the chicken or the egg?
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Dude got it twisted for sure. This is a team sport in which a lot of things has to go right. Sometimes you need the bounce of the ball to bounce your way. The front office can not be dysfunctional, they have to have some great minds leading the charge.

For anyone saying it’s all on the quarterback, really has no clue. What’s crazy is they wasn’t saying this when Matt Schaub was the man at quarterback. Why? They were to busy shooting their negativity at the GM. At that particular time, he was the reason why we didn’t win a super bowl.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Herbert was the backup in SD. He came in and has done a nice job but the Chargers look like shite and lose like crazy. Does this make Herbert a shite QB b/c he can't string victories together? Based on your method of assessment, it's going to be a long 4 years b/c excuses get no play when assessing. Boy, the Chargers really screwed the pooch selecting that failure of a QB.
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This isn't DW4's rookie yr. It's his 4th yr.

There's a big difference that you seem to be overlooking in your staunch defense of DW4.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Dude got it twisted for sure. This is a team sport in which a lot of things has to go right. Sometimes you need the bounce of the ball to bounce your way. The front office can not be dysfunctional, they have to have some great minds leading the charge.

For anyone saying it’s all on the quarterback, really has no clue. What’s crazy is they wasn’t saying this when Matt Schaub was the man at quarterback. Why? They were to busy shooting their negativity at the GM. At that particular time, he was the reason why we didn’t win a super bowl.
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Well if every win is solely because of DW4 then so should every loss be on him.

BTW, Schaub got plenty of grief on here and in real life. Do you remember when fans were burning his jersey outside of his house? Of course you dont. But you can bet you would remember it that ever happened outside DW4's house
 
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thunderkyss said:
Well played.

Now if DW4 ever wins anything significant you’ll say he changed he goes about doing things so you were right the whole time.

Good job
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He's going to have to change if he wants to win. Whether he does or not is the question. This isn't about being right or wrong.
 
steelbtexan said:
This isn't DW4's rookie yr. It's his 4th yr.

There's a big difference that you seem to be overlooking in your staunch defense of DW4.
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My staunch position in regards to Watson has nothing to do with a singular view....my view incompasis so much more than the Watson paradigm. At the moment, it's everything but Watson for me b/c the shite team assembled was not his doing.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Dude got it twisted for sure. This is a team sport in which a lot of things has to go right. Sometimes you need the bounce of the ball to bounce your way. The front office can not be dysfunctional, they have to have some great minds leading the charge.
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Technically, no. We’re usually talking about QBs putting teams on their back. I understand that’s not literally true, but it’s what we say.

Unfortunately our defense is historically bad & our run game is even worse.

Kind of like those Steelers teams that missed the playoffs when Ben was healthy.
 
steelbtexan said:
He's going to have to change if he wants to win. Whether he does or not is the question. This isn't about being right or wrong.
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So Watson has to change to make wins appear and the rest of the entire team gets a free pass? I am more than certain that Watson can win once the team around him becomes better. Never seen a good QB drag a shite-show of a team to the Chamionship Game or a Super Bowl. Now there are examples of good QB's leaving shite-show teams and landing with a good team.....then enjoying Championship and Super Bowl games.
 
Watson is NOT perfect and beating teams that are not as good as 11 of us is not making the meter go up. He has to change and evolve into a leader and alter his style for us to win a title. Simple as that. If you are excited seeing him beat the Lions for example, that is not looking at the big picture.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
My staunch position in regards to Watson has nothing to do with a singular view....my view incompasis so much more than the Watson paradigm. At the moment, it's everything but Watson for me b/c the shite team assembled was not his doing.
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You shouldn't be comparing DW4 to a rookie QB then. IMHO

You're certainly entitled to your opinion but I'm entitled to mine as well. DW4 bears some of the responsibility for this crappy season. Some dont want to even acknowledge this possibility at all.
 
steelbtexan said:
Well if every win is solely because of DW4 then so should every loss be on him.

BTW, Schaub got plenty of grief on here and in real life. Do you remember when fans were burning his jersey outside of his house? Of course you dont. But you can bet you would remember it that ever happened outside DW4's house
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Schaub really did take a beating around here .... It wasn't until after he was gone and we suffered thru some really bad QB's that we realized how good he really was - He was unfortunate that he had to face two of the best ever so many times.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Watson is NOT perfect and beating teams that are not as good as 11 of us is not making the meter go up. He has to change and evolve into a leader and alter his style for us to win a title. Simple as that. If you are excited seeing him beat the Lions for example, that is not looking at the big picture.
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I think he has to pick his spots better .... when to take risks and try to make big plays happen and when to just take the easy throws.
 
steelbtexan said:
He should be

Mahomes is
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Great for Mahomes. But what does that have to do with Watson or his situation in Houston?

I guess in your opinion, Mahomes is doing all this on his own, without any assistance from one of the greatest offensive minds in NFL history, Kelce, Tyrek, Honey Badger or an above average OL. Its all Mahomes throwing, catching, blocking, coaching. and defending.
 
Corrosion said:
Schaub really did take a beating around here .... It wasn't until after he was gone and we suffered thru some really bad QB's that we realized how good he really was - He was unfortunate that he had to face two of the best ever so many times.
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Schaub did not catch the same type of heat ole buddy gives to Watson. That’s my point. He was given that type of energy to Rick Smith.
 
dream_team said:
You guys should really stop entertaining this guy. He's obviously talking non-sense just to mess with ya.
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QFT!!

I seriously don’t know why y’all keep playing his game. I’ve got him on ignore but 75% of this board is y’all replying to his nonsense. Makes for a really crappy place to come read about my team. And the time you put in engaging that nonsense makes zero difference. You’re wasting as much time as he does.

Put him on ignore and let him type his 80 posts a day where no one sees them. That would be some hilarious **** right there.
 
Earl34 said:
Great for Mahomes. But what does that have to do with Watson or his situation in Houston?

I guess in your opinion, Mahomes is doing all this on his own, without any assistance from one of the greatest offensive minds in NFL history, Kelce, Tyrek, Honey Badger or an above average OL. Its all Mahomes throwing, catching, blocking, coaching. and defending.
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I didn't bring up Trubiski but gave an honest answer. This has nothing to do with DW4. BTW, Nagy's offense looks nothing like Reid's offense.

I do believe Mahomes is a generational talent and when things aren't going well all of these talented teammates believe in him and follow his lead. This is how 51-7 happens after being down 24-0.
 
Speedy said:
QFT!!

I seriously don’t know why y’all keep playing his game. I’ve got him on ignore but 75% of this board is y’all replying to his nonsense. Makes for a really crappy place to come read about my team. And the time you put in engaging that nonsense makes zero difference. You’re wasting as much time as he does.

Put him on ignore and let him type his 80 posts a day where no one sees them. That would be some hilarious **** right there.
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This just in it's not your team.

It's Janice/Cal's team.

You do whatever you feel necessary.

I dont really care what you think or others for that matter.

I will bet that you've posted more on here this weekend than I have.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Schaub did not catch the same type of heat ole buddy gives to Watson. That’s my point. He was given that type of energy to Rick Smith.
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Do you mean just from Steel or in general? Because Schaub caught way more hell than Watson has ever even dreamed of. And if you mean just Steel then so what? No player makes the entire fan base happy, there were Pats fans wanting to replace Brady when he was in his prime.
 
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SnakeEyes said:
Watson is NOT perfect and beating teams that are not as good as 11 of us is not making the meter go up. He has to change and evolve into a leader and alter his style for us to win a title. Simple as that. If you are excited seeing him beat the Lions for example, that is not looking at the big picture.
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Wow.....so the Texans are just about there. Once Watson becomes a better leader he will finally be able to lead the current Texans, as built, to the Championship Game and Super Bowl. Since the current team is just an improved leader away from delivering the goods to Houston fans.....next season's draft will suffice while Watson continues to improve his leadership skills.
 
leebigeztx said:
How many coaches Peyton Manning had? What about Troy Aikman? I will wait
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Manning had 5 HC's in his career.

Dungy was his HC for the majority of his career. An apples/ oranges comparison.

Aikman is a more valid comparison both ownerships care more about making money and control than the product on the field.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm setting him up if he gets another HC fired. You know what you call a QB that gets 2 HC's fired within 5-6 years? A coach killer.
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If you are seriously saying that DW4's play was instrumental, in any way, shape or form, in OB getting fired then you are delusional beyond hope. There are maybe 2-3 teams that wouldn't take Watson over their current QB. Chiefs, Chargers and Cardinals come to mind.

OB managed to run the Texans organization into the ground and get himself fired all by his egotistical, narcissistic self. Hell, he had the one GM (Gaine) who showed any sort fiscal restraint and personnel savvy summarily fired for his audacity to have such traits.
 
DocBar said:
If you are seriously saying that DW4's play was instrumental, in any way, shape or form, in OB getting fired then you are delusional beyond hope. There are maybe 2-3 teams that wouldn't take Watson over their current QB. Chiefs, Chargers and Cardinals come to mind.

OB managed to run the Texans organization into the ground and get himself fired all by his egotistical, narcissistic self. Hell, he had the one GM (Gaine) who showed any sort fiscal restraint and personnel savvy summarily fired for his audacity to have such traits.
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A HC and a QB share responsibility in the success and failures of a franchise.

Gaine was fired for HR reasons that had nothing to do with BOB.
 
DocBar said:
If you are seriously saying that DW4's play was instrumental, in any way, shape or form, in OB getting fired then you are delusional beyond hope. There are maybe 2-3 teams that wouldn't take Watson over their current QB. Chiefs, Chargers and Cardinals come to mind.

OB managed to run the Texans organization into the ground and get himself fired all by his egotistical, narcissistic self. Hell, he had the one GM (Gaine) who showed any sort fiscal restraint and personnel savvy summarily fired for his audacity to have such traits.
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I would argue there are more teams than that but they all have their own franchise QB. Such GB, Pitts, Seattle or Buccs (boy never thought I'd add them to this list) to name some. The Raven fan in me would love to see Watson on the Ravens but he gets beat up by the Texan fan in me when its mentioned and the Texan fan is bigger. As far as Gaine goes no Gaine was not fired for "fiscal restraint and personnel savvy" which even saying that is ironic seeing as those things are the reason Honey badger walked, we got in the mess we did with Clowney and Howard was drafted over Dillard. All things that this board screamed bloody murder about. But no Gaine being fired and the speed it was done was not related to his performance as GM as far as football goes.
 
maverick512000 said:
I would argue there are more teams than that but they all have their own franchise QB. Such GB, Pitts, Seattle or Buccs (boy never thought I'd add them to this list) to name some. The Raven fan in me would love to see Watson on the Ravens but he gets beat up by the Texan fan in me when its mentioned and the Texan fan is bigger. As far as Gaine goes no Gaine was not fired for "fiscal restraint and personnel savvy" which even saying that is ironic seeing as those things are the reason Honey badger walked, we got in the mess we did with Clowney and Howard was drafted over Dillard. All things that this board screamed bloody murder about. But no Gaine being fired and the speed it was done was not related to his performance as GM as far as football goes.
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Do you know why Gaine was fired? Or at least heard a rumor? Yes, the speed at which he was fired was a bit suspicious, and I'm surprised we have yet to hear why.
 
maverick512000 said:
I would argue there are more teams than that but they all have their own franchise QB. Such GB, Pitts, Seattle or Buccs (boy never thought I'd add them to this list) to name some. The Raven fan in me would love to see Watson on the Ravens but he gets beat up by the Texan fan in me when its mentioned and the Texan fan is bigger. As far as Gaine goes no Gaine was not fired for "fiscal restraint and personnel savvy" which even saying that is ironic seeing as those things are the reason Honey badger walked, we got in the mess we did with Clowney and Howard was drafted over Dillard. All things that this board screamed bloody murder about. But no Gaine being fired and the speed it was done was not related to his performance as GM as far as football goes.
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I was specifically listing teams with young QBs. GB, Pittsburgh, Tampa, NO all have older QBs who are likely in the last few years of their respective careers. I did leave out Seattle by omission, though.

It's been reported that OB was unhappy with Gaine for not pursuing more vigorously high priced FA targets such as Norwalk and that tackle from NEthat chose NY over Houston amongst other personnel decisions. In light of the utter disaster that OBs tenure as GM was, it's comical to think of Gaine being fired for the Clowney trade or allowing Honey Badger to walk.
 
dream_team said:
Do you know why Gaine was fired? Or at least heard a rumor? Yes, the speed at which he was fired was a bit suspicious, and I'm surprised we have yet to hear why.
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I have been told in some conversations with other members but its not my place to say what was said or who said it. Sorry I know that sounds like a cop out and a BS answer but its the best I can do. If you don't believe me for it I understand and don't blame you but I have no reason to lie about it. Some on here know the details far better than I so if they choose to talk thats their choice.

DocBar said:
I was specifically listing teams with young QBs. GB, Pittsburgh, Tampa, NO all have older QBs who are likely in the last few years of their respective careers. I did leave out Seattle by omission, though.

It's been reported that OB was unhappy with Gaine for not pursuing more vigorously high priced FA targets such as Norwalk and that tackle from NEthat chose NY over Houston amongst other personnel decisions. In light of the utter disaster that OBs tenure as GM was, it's comical to think of Gaine being fired for the Clowney trade or allowing Honey Badger to walk.
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True on the age part but those teams have also built themselves around each particular QB so they still might be unwilling to change until they have to even if they are going from star player to star player. Look at NE for example, Cam is a fine QB but NE has been built for the last 20 years around Brady style of play so its hard for a QB that is pretty much the complete opposite play style wise to come in and succeed there.

Far as Gaine goes I didn't say he was fired for those reason, in fact I said the complete opposite, but I used those to counter point your claim that Gaine was finically responsible and personal savvy. Gaine is in many ways also responsible for the situation we find ourselves in now. Had he dealt with Clowney sooner and not waited to tag him late and give Clowney all the power we might could have traded him to Miami and saved one of those picks we used to get Tunsil.
 
steelbtexan said:
A HC and a QB share responsibility in the success and failures of a franchise.

Gaine was fired for HR reasons that had nothing to do with BOB.
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So QB's and HC's aren't partners in being successful Earl.

I'm sure HC's throughout the history would disagree with you.
 
DocBar said:
As I stated, you are delusional beyond hope.
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So HC's and QB's aren't partners in success.

Yep, I'm delusional? LMAO

Maybe you were replying to the Gaine portion of the post? I have on good authority that part of my post is correct. Although 'm not going to reveal who I heard this from.
 
steelbtexan said:
So QB's and HC's aren't partners in being successful Earl.

I'm sure HC's throughout the history would disagree with you.
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Funny, I've never watched a football game at any level where the HC and QB1 were the only folks taking the field. Where on God's green earth has this event ever taken place?

There are so many moving parts in putting a successful NFL team on the field that your statement simply dumbs the entire process down to just 2 professionals.

Absolutely no one on this board would say the Texans would be competing at an elite NFL level if they just had Mahomes as QB1 and OB still running things. Would you like to say that the Texans would've won a Super Bowl within the last 3 seasons with the only change being Mahomes for Watson?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Funny, I've never watched a football game at any level where the HC and QB1 were the only folks taking the field. Where on God's green earth has this event ever taken place?

There are so many moving parts in putting a successful NFL team on the field that your statement simply dumbs the entire process down to just 2 professionals.

Absolutely no one on this board would say the Texans would be competing at an elite NFL level if they just had Mahomes as QB1 and OB still running things. Would you like to say that the Texans would've won a Super Bowl within the last 3 seasons with the only change being Mahomes for Watson?
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What I'm saying is the 3 most important positions in the NFL are

1. The GM who has a vision of what he wants his org to look like and gets the talent that he thinks can carry out his vision.
2. The HC who shares the GM's vision and develops a gameplan weekly to carry this vision out.
3. The QB who's the guy that carries out this vision and is on board with executing the gameplan.

Do you think the Texans in any of these positions have all been on board at the same time in the last decade? They still aren't on board today. Look at the search committee today, everybody has their own agendas.

As far as the Mahomes thing goes, I dont believe if Mahomes was the QB and up 24-0 they would be outscored 51-7.
 
Wide receiver Kenny Stills is officially a free agent.

Stills was waived by the Texans late last week and he was not claimed by any of the league’s other 31 teams on Monday. That means he is free to sign with any team.

Had Stills been claimed, his new team would be on the hook for just over $2 million. The Texans will now be on the hook for that amount as termination pay and Stills will be able to make more money if he does sign with another team before the year is out.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Wide receiver Kenny Stills is officially a free agent.

Stills was waived by the Texans late last week and he was not claimed by any of the league’s other 31 teams on Monday. That means he is free to sign with any team.

Had Stills been claimed, his new team would be on the hook for just over $2 million. The Texans will now be on the hook for that amount as termination pay and Stills will be able to make more money if he does sign with another team before the year is out.
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Cool. I wonder if the Texans would be interested in signing him now that Fuller is out for the season?
 
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