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The all encompassing DW4 good plays thread

Let’s get this thread back on track.

If it’s not rainbows & lollipops Watson’s the bestest, post it in another thread. I’m sure the arguee will follow.
 

Interesting read
The more important number regarding INT can be found in the last column from the orginal site here:


Watson is fifth best, with Mahomes and Brady ahead of him.
 
True but it is a lot of fact in it
Whatever "facts" you read from those scouting reporst, they are now reflecting from those websites, and others (like NFL, ESPN, PFF, etc.) and they all have upgraded Watson from year to year.
Fact: If you look for ANY top ten QB list between 2017 and 2020, you can see a general trend upward.
That is the improvement ALL these websites/media outlets observe.
 
Whatever "facts" you read from those scouting reporst, they are now reflecting from those websites, and others (like NFL, ESPN, PFF, etc.) and they all have upgraded Watson from year to year.
Fact: If you look for ANY top ten QB list between 2017 and 2020, you can see a general trend upward.
That is the improvement ALL these websites/media outlets observe.

It's alright to be lead around by the thoughts of others.
 
Something you do all of the times. You most definitely agreed with the Walters report. But since you don’t agree with these professional reports or they don’t align up with your agenda. You play the card you just played.

I've always had my own opinions and didn't even know the Walter report was out there. I stopped going to that site yrs ago after my computer got a virus.

So nice try. LMAO
 
Back to the subject at hand:

"Haters might point to garbage time being the straw stirring Watson’s production. Meh. Accounting for non-garbage time, Watson ranks seventh in PFF passing grade, first in yards per attempt and sixth in QB rating among 34 qualified signal-callers. Only Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady have more big-time throws with the game not out of reach, while just Rodgers, Jimmy Garoppolo, Joe Flacco and Cam Newton have fewer turnover-worthy plays. "

https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-football-stock-watch-deshaun-watson-is-playing-better-than-ever
 
Back to the subject at hand:

"Haters might point to garbage time being the straw stirring Watson’s production. Meh. Accounting for non-garbage time, Watson ranks seventh in PFF passing grade, first in yards per attempt and sixth in QB rating among 34 qualified signal-callers. Only Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady have more big-time throws with the game not out of reach, while just Rodgers, Jimmy Garoppolo, Joe Flacco and Cam Newton have fewer turnover-worthy plays. "

https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-football-stock-watch-deshaun-watson-is-playing-better-than-ever

When have the games not been out of reach? The Jags games the Tennessee game. What I saw was a big fat 0 put up in the 2nd half against the Steelers and another big fat 0 put up in the 1st half against the Packers. Do you really want to talk about his big time plays against the Chiefs/Ravens.

Skewed stats.
 
When have the games not been out of reach? The Jags games the Tennessee game. What I saw was a big fat 0 put up in the 2nd half against the Steelers and another big fat 0 put up in the 1st half against the Packers. Do you really want to talk about his big time plays against the Chiefs/Ravens.

Skewed stats.
Nothing I say will make a difference to you and going back and forth with you will be as effective as you trying to argue with the person who wrote that evaluation. So, back to the subject at hand:
 
Show me the statistical splits .... tied or ahead Vs behind.

What difference does that make? You're still going to ignore the coaching and team around him. You're still going to ignore the really, really good numbers he's putting up despite the coaching and team around him.

Yeah, might as well get rid of him. It's a much better discussion around here talking about the Hoyer types and wondering what we have to do to get a real damn QB.
 
KC and Balt. were just a matter of being ill prepared and getting owned by two of the best teams in the league. The stats aren't even relavent.

Pitts we were leading at the half.

Minn we were down 11 at the half, hardly a blowout lead. Then got within a point midway through the 3rd quarter before finishing the game losing by just one score.

Jax was a win.

Tenn the most we were ever down was 14 before the half and before ending regulation tied at 36.

GB was bad, no doubt.

And we beat Jax again.

So yeah, I'm not seeing this garbage stats argument. Should we not try and score if we go behind?
 
KC and Balt. were just a matter of being ill prepared and getting owned by two of the best teams in the league. The stats aren't even relavent.

Pitts we were leading at the half.

Minn we were down 11 at the half, hardly a blowout lead. Then got within a point midway through the 3rd quarter before finishing the game losing by just one score.

Jax was a win.

Tenn the most we were ever down was 14 before the half and before ending regulation tied at 36.

GB was bad, no doubt.

And we beat Jax again.

So yeah, I'm not seeing this garbage stats argument. Should we not try and score if we go behind?
Even the Packers game was not that bad.
The Texans settler for 2 FGs in the fourth quarter.
If they had scored TDs instead, they would have been down by just 7 points not even midway throught the 4th.
 
KC and Balt. were just a matter of being ill prepared and getting owned by two of the best teams in the league. The stats aren't even relavent.

Pitts we were leading at the half.

Minn we were down 11 at the half, hardly a blowout lead. Then got within a point midway through the 3rd quarter before finishing the game losing by just one score.

Jax was a win.

Tenn the most we were ever down was 14 before the half and before ending regulation tied at 36.

GB was bad, no doubt.

And we beat Jax again.

So yeah, I'm not seeing this garbage stats argument. Should we not try and score if we go behind?
Many posters like Tannehill's game. Many of us can agree he is having a good year. Some posters would even take him over Watson. In Thursday night's game against the Colts, Tannehill had 53 yards passing on the first drive of the game. He had 58 yards passing in the 2nd half and finished with 147 yards passing in a 34-17 loss. His team didn't score in the second half and in a 17 point loss, when they had to pass, he did not pass for more than 58 yards in garbage time. Obviously, it's not as easy to rack up stats in garbage time as some would imply.

Last week, Brady's team got destroyed 38-3. The Saints scored 31 points in the first half and the majority of that game would be considered garbage time. Even with the Saints only scoring 7 points in the second half, Brady only threw for 209 yards. Again, obviously garbage time stats are not easy to rack up in garbage time as the argument implies.

My point? Maybe it's because we dissect every snap Watson takes to compliment or criticize, but it seems that some posters are just simply overly critical of the guy. They don't even use the same criteria to judge him against the QBs they like or prefer.
 
Nothing I say will make a difference to you and going back and forth with you will be as effective as you trying to argue with the person who wrote that evaluation. So, back to the subject at hand:

Like I said 0 pts.

That's a stat that counts.
 
KC and Balt. were just a matter of being ill prepared and getting owned by two of the best teams in the league. The stats aren't even relavent.

Pitts we were leading at the half.

Minn we were down 11 at the half, hardly a blowout lead. Then got within a point midway through the 3rd quarter before finishing the game losing by just one score.

Jax was a win.

Tenn the most we were ever down was 14 before the half and before ending regulation tied at 36.

GB was bad, no doubt.

And we beat Jax again.

So yeah, I'm not seeing this garbage stats argument. Should we not try and score if we go behind?

They've beaten 1crap team 2times.

Lets start a parade.

BTW, Nobody's blamelessin this crap and as the face of the franchise DW4 should have to carry the load when it come to criticism. I mean he's telling Cal which GM he doesn't want hired and which HC he does want hired. Cal will give DW4 what he wants. Whatever could go wrong?

SMDH
 
They've beaten 1crap team 2times.

Lets start a parade.

BTW, Nobody's blamelessin this crap and as the face of the franchise DW4 should have to carry the load when it come to criticism. I mean he's telling Cal which GM he doesn't want hired and which HC he does want hired. Cal will give DW4 what he wants. Whatever could go wrong?

SMDH

I don't know what any of that has to do with the point about garbage time stats, but ok..

I'm just gonna suggest that you maybe stop shaking your head so much..
 
Issue with cover 2? So if you can read a D you will know when it is zone or cover 2. You also will study more film and figure out ways it is disguised, ways to attack it. Meaning that you improve. That is the point and only point most are trying to make. Is he isn't getting any better at it. Numbers say a lot more than a person explaining. So... numbers are below. I took this from an article that came up when you put in "Watson reading defense issue" it says he is good against zone. Which is good.

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This season, teams are playing more zone coverage against Watson and the Texans offense, which makes sense since they can keep an eye on the QB and keep the receivers in front of them.

TypesCoverage-500x263.png


However, Watson is shredding zone coverage averaging over nine yards per pass attempt while completing 70 percent of his passes. Against man, Watson’s numbers are pedestrian.

WatsonTwoMan-500x289.png


In particular, the Houston quarterback, in a limited sample size, has struggled to figure out cover-2 man coverage or two-man as it’s often called in football. Playing it 20% of snaps.
 
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Issue with cover 2? So if you can read a D you will know when it is zone or cover 2. You also will study more film and figure out ways it is disguised, ways to attack it. Meaning that you improve. That is the point and only point most are trying to make. Is he isn't getting any better at it. Numbers say a lot more than a person explaining. So... numbers are below. I took this from an article that came up when you put in "Watson reading defense issue" it says he is good against zone. Which is good.

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This season, teams are playing more zone coverage against Watson and the Texans offense, which makes sense since they can keep an eye on the QB and keep the receivers in front of them.

TypesCoverage-500x263.png


However, Watson is shredding zone coverage averaging over nine yards per pass attempt while completing 70 percent of his passes. Against man, Watson’s numbers are pedestrian.

WatsonTwoMan-500x289.png


In particular, the Houston quarterback, in a limited sample size, has struggled to figure out cover-2 man coverage or two-man as it’s often called in football.
LMAO. So, you ignore the other 327 attempts to nitpick 15 attempts? If this was so succesful, don't you think more defenses would be playing cover-2 man? This is worst than your 4 year old scouting report. Instead of SnakeEyes, you should have change your user name to SonofSteelB
 
LMAO. So, you ignore the other 327 attempts to nitpick 15 attempts? If this was so succesful, don't you think more defenses would be playing cover-2 man? This is worst than your 4 year old scouting report. Instead of SnakeEyes, you should have change your user name to SonofSteelB
You didn’t read the part about the Patriots playing more cover 2.
 
His point is Watson is terrible against Cover 2. My point is if it's so successful and Watson is so terrible at reading it, wouldn't more teams play it where he would have more than 15 attempts?

Also, Cover-2 is zone based and he makes the point Watson is good against zone. Go figure.
My point was New England playing more cover two has nothing to do with nothing. We haven’t played the Patriots
 
My point was New England playing more cover two has nothing to do with nothing. We haven’t played the Patriots
LOL. Got it. Who is going to tell him Cover 2 is zone based? Do we need to find a WalterFootball article on defensive coverage?

EDIT: To be fair, he said Cover 2 man. I was talking about Cover 2.
 
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@Corrosion knows how to lookup stats. If those stats were readily available, he would have provide them. If you put the effort to find the garbage time stats or provide a link to those stats, I will put the effort to find the stats. Deal?

I'm sure whatever stats you find will say DW4's the greatest. Fact is the team is 2-6 and DW4'splay has been a big part of this.

Also posters like me could see the writing on the wall after how DW4's season ended last yr and dont expect to see much change not only this yr but throughout the upcoming yrs.
 
Look in the gameday threads.

I've called out when the garbage time stats were going to happen before they happened.

No one is going through 8 gameday threads for some point you could just back up right here, if you really could.

And I just went game by game showing how little legitimate garbage stat time there actually was.

Which part of what I posted was inaccurate?
 
I'm sure whatever stats you find will say DW4's the greatest. Fact is the team is 2-6 and DW4'splay has been a big part of this.

Also posters like me could see the writing on the wall after how DW4's season ended last yr and dont expect to see much change not only this yr but throughout the upcoming yrs.
Posters like us have already told you OB needed to be fired back in 2014.
 
I'm sure whatever stats you find will say DW4's the greatest. Fact is the team is 2-6 and DW4'splay has been a big part of this.

Also posters like me could see the writing on the wall after how DW4's season ended last yr and dont expect to see much change not only this yr but throughout the upcoming yrs.

I know Steel it's bad when you can show proof of something and it is looked at and somehow altered. That was a 3 or 4 game stretch I posted. Cover 2 man is not zone based, if you played football you know that. And Ds only ran cover 2 man 20% of the time. Making 15 passes in 3-4 games a pretty good idea that he is not been able to ID when he is playing against it.

All I can say is that I like the kid and hope he improves with his new QB coach. Because he only slightly has on his own merit. I want him to succeed (we all do even if you hate him) he is the QB of OUR team. But rose colored glasses and koolaid go a long way it seems.

I would like to see JJ play a bit more from a 2pt stance as I feel it is a weakness. Now let's see if anyone makes a comment about that. Because I have already said I don't cut players slack. I don't know why some do. I would die laughing IF a new HC traded (insert big name) player. And the replacement out played the guy they replaced. Seeing most likely members would not be able to admit they are wrong in anyway. I have said and I will say it again I wanted Watson, I like him and think he is a good player. BUT he needs to improve... simply stated. If you don't want to admit that and say he is top of all QBs...fine. Seeing I have no problem saying I was wrong. The ones saying he is perfect I doubt will ever admit it if he isn't.
 
My point was New England playing more cover two has nothing to do with nothing. We haven’t played the Patriots

I wasn't posting the full article just about Watson. So, it could say anything after that. But if you can argue that 15 passes in 3-4 games with teams playing cover 2 man 20% of the time isn't saying important to show important needed. Fine

@Earl34 I played DB, I know basic cover 2 and cover 2 man. Cover 2 man is not based on zone. If you have to look for something to moan about that hard...
 
I wasn't posting the full article just about Watson. So, it could say anything after that. But if you can argue that 15 passes in 3-4 games with teams playing cover 2 man 20% of the time isn't saying important to show important needed. Fine

@Earl34 I played DB, I know basic cover 2 and cover 2 man. Cover 2 man is not based on zone. If you have to look for something to moan about that hard...
I edited my post before you made this post and I already said....To be fair you were talking about Cover 2 man and not the basic Cover 2
 
Issue with cover 2? So if you can read a D you will know when it is zone or cover 2. You also will study more film and figure out ways it is disguised, ways to attack it. Meaning that you improve. That is the point and only point most are trying to make. Is he isn't getting any better at it. Numbers say a lot more than a person explaining. So... numbers are below. I took this from an article that came up when you put in "Watson reading defense issue" it says he is good against zone. Which is good.

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This season, teams are playing more zone coverage against Watson and the Texans offense, which makes sense since they can keep an eye on the QB and keep the receivers in front of them.

TypesCoverage-500x263.png


However, Watson is shredding zone coverage averaging over nine yards per pass attempt while completing 70 percent of his passes. Against man, Watson’s numbers are pedestrian.

WatsonTwoMan-500x289.png


In particular, the Houston quarterback, in a limited sample size, has struggled to figure out cover-2 man coverage or two-man as it’s often called in football.
Do you have a link to the orginal article?
 
Issue with cover 2? So if you can read a D you will know when it is zone or cover 2. You also will study more film and figure out ways it is disguised, ways to attack it. Meaning that you improve. That is the point and only point most are trying to make. Is he isn't getting any better at it. Numbers say a lot more than a person explaining. So... numbers are below. I took this from an article that came up when you put in "Watson reading defense issue" it says he is good against zone. Which is good.

_________________________________
This season, teams are playing more zone coverage against Watson and the Texans offense, which makes sense since they can keep an eye on the QB and keep the receivers in front of them.

TypesCoverage-500x263.png


However, Watson is shredding zone coverage averaging over nine yards per pass attempt while completing 70 percent of his passes. Against man, Watson’s numbers are pedestrian.

WatsonTwoMan-500x289.png


In particular, the Houston quarterback, in a limited sample size, has struggled to figure out cover-2 man coverage or two-man as it’s often called in football.
I found the article by this beat writer .


He wrote it before the Texans - Pats game last year.
Then Watson went out and beat the Pats 28-22 with 53 yards by the RBs on 19 carries.


Oh, and Brady threw a TD in garbage time.
 
No one is going through 8 gameday threads for some point you could just back up right here, if you really could.

And I just went game by game showing how little legitimate garbage stat time there actually was.

Which part of what I posted was inaccurate?

I started to type out an anwser then I remembered who I was replying too. Go look at the scores of the games and the 4th qtr scoring. In fact I can make a case that the entire 2nd half was garbage time.
 
I know Steel it's bad when you can show proof of something and it is looked at and somehow altered. That was a 3 or 4 game stretch I posted. Cover 2 man is not zone based, if you played football you know that. And Ds only ran cover 2 man 20% of the time. Making 15 passes in 3-4 games a pretty good idea that he is not been able to ID when he is playing against it.

All I can say is that I like the kid and hope he improves with his new QB coach. Because he only slightly has on his own merit. I want him to succeed (we all do even if you hate him) he is the QB of OUR team. But rose colored glasses and koolaid go a long way it seems.

I would like to see JJ play a bit more from a 2pt stance as I feel it is a weakness. Now let's see if anyone makes a comment about that. Because I have already said I don't cut players slack. I don't know why some do. I would die laughing IF a new HC traded (insert big name) player. And the replacement out played the guy they replaced. Seeing most likely members would not be able to admit they are wrong in anyway. I have said and I will say it again I wanted Watson, I like him and think he is a good player. BUT he needs to improve... simply stated. If you don't want to admit that and say he is top of all QBs...fine. Seeing I have no problem saying I was wrong. The ones saying he is perfect I doubt will ever admit it if he isn't.
To be fair, except one poster who rarely post these days, no one thinks Watson is perfect. The majority of posters who believe the Texans can win with Watson have posted he needs to improve and CAN improve. I would challenge you to find anyone who thinks Watson is perfect.
 
I started to type out an anwser then I remembered who I was replying too. Go look at the scores of the games and the 4th qtr scoring. In fact I can make a case that the entire 2nd half was garbage time.

I did look at the scores of the games. I looked at the scoring through each quarter.

But you go right ahead, make that specific case for the games. Please.

I already broke the games down up thread and showed it's just not the case. But please, go ahead.
 
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