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2021 Texans disarray or chugging along?

Texansballer74 said:
Man exactly. And dude clearly can’t read because I place blame on the entire team not just Bill O’Brien.
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Mahomes brought his team back agains the Patriots to almost win the season before.

Mahomes brought his team back when San Fran had momentum and took over with his momentum to beat the Niners and win the SB.


So what you're saying is that Mahomes and all of these other QB's can do things and overcome momentum shifts, but Watson can't!!

Your words not mine. Lol!
 
Texecutioner said:
You literally just made an argument for why Mahomes is better than Watson because Mahomes was able to create momentum with his offense when they were down by 24 points.

You create so much nonsense to defend someone, you end up putting an egg on your face and making an argument against him.

Watson had no ability to make a come back!? :spit:


You're basically saying that Watson is a quitter.
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That’s not what I said so please don’t put words in my mouth or try to spin it off like that.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Watson brought his team back against the Saints, Patriots Eagles and Seahawks. Didn’t he not old man. Games they should’ve won.

But hey selective memory and cherry picking is a norm from Texecutioner.
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I never said that. You were the one who did.

"Watson can't overcome another team's momentum." (Your statement)

But many of us realize that other QB's can. You just don't think that Watson can. I disagree.
 
Texecutioner said:
I never said that. You were the one who did.

"Watson can't overcome another team's momentum." (Your statement)

But many of us realize that other QB's can. You just don't think that Watson can. I disagree.
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Here you go again twisting my skit up to attempt to fit your driveling. I’ve posted several times in which Watson made some spectacular comebacks in this conversation along. But it’s very clear that you completely skipped over it. Why

It’s like you jumped in this conversation without even going back to the previous pages. And if you post more you would know my stance on the Texans and Watson.

Next time do some research before attacking the post. Maybe the mods need to put that in the rules too.
 
Texecutioner said:
That's not what you meant to say, but its literally what you pointed out with that tripe of an argument.

Watson is not good enough to overcome a lead. Lol!

I don't believe that at all.
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That’s again is a got darn lie. I never said that crap. You said that silly ash skit
 
Texansballer74 said:
That’s again is a got darn lie. I never said that crap. You said that silly ash skit
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This is supposed to be the moment where you retread and admit that your initial argument was a bad one that you didn't really think through. That would be your best bet.

Continually digging the same hole refusing to see the logic in what you put forth is just going to frustrate you.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Here you go again twisting my skit up to attempt to fit your driveling. I’ve posted several times in which Watson made some spectacular comebacks in this conversation along. But it’s very clear that you completely skipped over it. Why

It’s like you jumped in this conversation without even going back to the previous pages. And if you post more you would know my stance on the Texans and Watson.

Next time do some research before attacking the post. Maybe the mods need to put that in the rules too.
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The mods will do whatever you and UR want them to do. Who are you to tell another poster what to do

This is obvious after you get away with calling another poster names with no repercussions.

#doublestandards.
 
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steelbtexan said:
The mods will do whatever you and UR want them to do. Who are you to tell another poster what to do

This is obvious after you get away with calling another poster names with no repercussions.

#doublestandarda.
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Did someone hit the report button on that post ? Or ….

steelbtexan said:
Something the mods tend to ignore.

Double standards
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OptimisticTexan said:
I’m sorry but when a team blows a 24 point lead and then is outscored 51-7.......that’s always been and will always be the HC and his coaching staff’s fault. Most organizations will fire their HC and his staff after a game like that b/c it shows everyone that one staff adjusted and the losing staff had no idea. Cut and dry....the fault of this crater job falls on OB in the same manner the Oilers crater job fell on Pardee and his coaching staff. Adams gave him 4 games into the following season before the axe fell. OB has had too much time.
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I don't disagree ... OB failed. I'm a charter member of the Fire OB club. I had a pink soap avatar 5 years ago.

But some of these guys talk about Watson like he can do no wrong and compare him to MJ.
If he's so great .… wouldn't you expect him to be able to mount some sort of response ?
Make a first down , extend a drive …. Reality is he folded with the rest of the team.

Any criticism he gets in that loss is deserved , right along with any criticism OB gets for his failure and any comparisons to "The GOAT" is unfounded at this point in time.
 
Corrosion said:
I don't disagree ... OB failed. I'm a charter member of the Fire OB club. I had a pink soap avatar 5 years ago.

But some of these guys talk about Watson like he can do no wrong and compare him to MJ.
If he's so great .… wouldn't you expect him to be able to mount some sort of response ?
Make a first down , extend a drive …. Reality is he folded with the rest of the team.

Any criticism he gets in that loss is deserved , right along with any criticism OB gets for his failure and any comparisons to "The GOAT" is unfounded at this point in time.
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It was only two members on here calling him MJ. Reason being was because his college coach called him that. So why are we getting bent out of shape behind that stuff. One of those members has talked about what Watson needs to improve on while the other one doesn’t even post. As far as me I have also placed blame on Watson and talked about what he needs to improve on.

But what’s funny is I don’t see you calling out those that are avid fans of Bill O’Brien. Why? It’s like some of you guys only read a few lines and then draw up this silly conclusion that Watson can do no wrong.
 
Texansballer74 said:
It was only two members on here calling him MJ. Reason being was because his college coach called him that. So why are we getting bent out of shape behind that stuff. One of those members has talked about what Watson needs to improve on while the other one doesn’t even post. As far as me I have also placed blame on Watson and talked about what he needs to improve on.

But what’s funny is I don’t see you calling out those that are avid fans of Bill O’Brien. Why? It’s like some of you guys only read a few lines and then draw up this silly conclusion that Watson can do no wrong.
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There are O'Brien Fans ?


Where ?! I don't see any. Thought they went the way of the Dodo?


My conclusion is drawn because any time someone questions or criticizes Watson there is a certain person who instantly runs to his defense ...

Accept when the numbers tell something different , you know , like those under center numbers I posted earlier today where 41% of plays are "successful" and better than 10% end in disaster (a sack or turnover).
 
Corrosion said:
There are O'Brien Fans ?


Where ?! I don't see any. Thought they went the way of the Dodo?


My conclusion is drawn because any time someone questions or criticizes Watson there is a certain person who instantly runs to his defense ...

Accept when the numbers tell something different , you know , like those under center numbers I posted earlier today where 41% of plays are "successful" and better than 10% end in disaster (a sack or turnover).
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And you tend to run off as well when links and videos are posted by me. Don’t be a stat king because it doesn’t tell the full story. You of all people should know this, especially since you’ve been around the game for so long. You also didn’t address the point I made about O’Brien probably didn’t trust his offensive line either. That’s a strong possibility to why he doesn’t have Watson operating underneath the center often. That line in pass pro was not good period.
 
Corrosion said:
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The reason he's not under center is …. he's not very good there. OB is "helping his QB" by keeping him in the shotgun / pistol where the odds are better that a play will be successful.
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And that’s only your opinion. The line wasn’t nowhere close to below average. They were worse Mr. Stat King and that’s a fact.

Yes he’s helping him to stay healthy.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Now you’re being sensitive. Wow and Corrision talking about did you report it.


Is this what the site starting to become around here. So weak that a dude thinks someone saying old man is name calling.
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If calling somebody a butthurt Kubiak fan/Pats hater gets me banned, then you're damn right I'm going to point out the double standards around here. I didn't start this but I'm committed to pointing out the crap that some get away with here.
 
Corrosion said:
There are O'Brien Fans ?


Where ?! I don't see any. Thought they went the way of the Dodo?


My conclusion is drawn because any time someone questions or criticizes Watson there is a certain person who instantly runs to his defense ...

Accept when the numbers tell something different , you know , like those under center numbers I posted earlier today where 41% of plays are "successful" and better than 10% end in disaster (a sack or turnover).
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Those numbers are the exact reason DW4 mainly works from the shotgun.

I'm not a WCO guy but I would love to see what Kubiak could do with DW4's feet/ability to process.
 
If we’re talking momentum shift in the KC playoff game.....look no further that than the guy wearing the headphones on the Texans sidelines. His calls clearly showed a man coaching not to lose, then swung completely in the other direction as a man coaching to try and keep his job.

If the KC lose was b/c Watson couldn’t carry the Texans to victory in the face of insurmountable odds, then OB should’ve gotten with Cal and told him it’s time to go in a new direction. Then orchestrated a trade before or during the draft. Another failure of OB’s if this were the case.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If we’re talking momentum shift in the KC playoff game.....look no further that than the guy wearing the headphones on the Texans sidelines. His calls clearly showed a man coaching not to lose, then swung completely in the other direction as a man coaching to try and keep his job.

If the KC lose was b/c Watson couldn’t carry the Texans to victory in the face of insurmountable odds, then OB should’ve gotten with Cal and told him it’s time to go in a new direction. Then orchestrated a trade before or during the draft. Another failure of OB’s if this were the case.
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It was a total team failure Coaching/Offense/Defense/ST's/Waterboy etc...
 
Corrosion said:
I don't disagree ... OB failed. I'm a charter member of the Fire OB club. I had a pink soap avatar 5 years ago.

But some of these guys talk about Watson like he can do no wrong and compare him to MJ.
If he's so great .… wouldn't you expect him to be able to mount some sort of response ?
Make a first down , extend a drive …. Reality is he folded with the rest of the team.

Any criticism he gets in that loss is deserved , right along with any criticism OB gets for his failure and any comparisons to "The GOAT" is unfounded at this point in time.
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.....this appears to be is problem. Watson doesn’t perform to expected level of greatness and he’s suddenly labeled a RD1 bust with no future.

Remind me again how many playoff losses did Peyton Manning and John Elway endure before their respective fans got to watch them hoist a SB trophy?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
.....this appears to be is problem. Watson doesn’t perform to expected level of greatness and he’s suddenly labeled a RD1 bust with no future.

Remind me again how many playoff losses did Peyton Manning and John Elway endure before their respective fans got to watch them hoist a SB trophy?
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How long did it take MJ to get his 1st NBA championship? It damn sure wasn't in his 1st 5 years in the league.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Man I'm so happy having a small select few on ignore. So if you few guys don't like my post or the way that I respond, please put me on ignore. So refreshing
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Its real simple. Your statement was contradicting, and it was explained.

I didn't have to attack you like you chose to do. All I had to do was point out how it was demeaning to Watson's ability as a QB and how you were describing him as having poor limitations in what he is capable of when faced with adversity in a game.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
So let’s release, trade and fire the entire team and coaching staff since it’s become obvious none of them have the intelligence or intestinal fortitude to win meaningful games. The ultimate start over.
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Man, I would love that.

It would be a lot more exciting than continuing with these OB led teams where certain players keep aging. It would suck to lose Watson and a few others, but the new start up would be more exciting to me.
 
Texecutioner said:
Its real simple. Your statement was contradicting, and it was explained.

I didn't have to attack you like you chose to do. All I had to do was point out how it was demeaning to Watson's ability as a QB and how you were describing him as having poor limitations in what he is capable of when faced with adversity in a game.
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Again smart one I was not demeaning Watson. You read it completely wrong and went on the attack. Like I said instead of jumping in a debate half cock go back and read the content first. You’re too busy trying to spin my skit the wrong way you completely missed my darn point.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Again smart one I was not demeaning Watson. You read it completely wrong and went on the attack. Like I said instead of jumping in a debate half cock go back and read the content first. You’re too busy trying to spin my skit the wrong way you completely missed my darn point.
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I just have two questions ….

First - Can we agree that Watson is not a finished product and that there are things he needs to get better at?
 
Corrosion said:
I just have two questions ….

First - Can we agree that Watson is not a finished product and that there are things he needs to get better at?
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We all know Watson is still a work in progress. And I’ve said several times he needs to improve in some areas of his game. So I don’t even know why are you asking these questions.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
We all know Watson is still a work in progress. And I’ve said several times he needs to improve in some areas of his game. So I don’t even know why are asking these questions.
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To get to the follow up question.

Since we have agreed that he isn't a finished product and that he has holes in his game -

Can we actually have a discussion on the topic without derailing that discussion ?
 
Corrosion said:
To get to the follow up question.

Since we have agreed that he isn't a finished product and that he has holes in his game -

Can we actually have a discussion on the topic without derailing that discussion ?
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ummm sir I don’t go around here derailing topics like that. Dude charged me up because he misunderstood my stance. So don’t paint that derailment crap on me. And that stance was right on topic.
 
Texansballer74 said:
ummm sir I don’t go around here derailing topics like that. Dude charged me up because he misunderstood my stance. So don’t paint that derailment crap on me. And that stance was right on topic.
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So …. what do you think Watson's weaknesses are - what does he need to improve upon ?
 
Corrosion said:
So …. what do you think Watson's weaknesses are - what does he need to improve upon ?
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1. Hero ball, sometimes it’s best to throw it out of bounds.

2. Consistency: There will be some games in which every quarterback will struggle in. But last season Watson had too many of those games. So he will have to limit those type of games in which his passing was inconsistent.

3. Since he’s tasked to call out all protection, even the oline protection. Watson will have to get better at calling out his protection. But this is unfair just like you think it’s unfair to call him the MJ of football. ( Comparing him to MJ). Had to put that disclaimer there because some of you folks love to nitpick. The reason it’s unfair is because he’s too inexperienced and that’s too much on his or any young quarterbacks plate. Heck a lot of seasoned vets struggles in this department as well. That’s why most OC have their centers calling out the lines protection.

4. He has to get a little better with picking up the blitz pre-snap.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
1. Hero ball, sometimes it’s best to throw it out of bounds.

2. Consistency: There will be some games in which every quarterback will struggle in. But last season Watson had too many of those games. So he will have to limit those type of games in which his passing was inconsistent.

3. Since he’s tasked to call out all protection, even the oline protection. Watson will have to get better at calling out his protection. But this unfair just like you think it’s unfair to call him the MJ football. ( Comparing him to MJ). Had to put that disclaimer there because some of you folks love to nitpick. The reason it’s unfair is because he’s too inexperienced and that’s too much on his or any young quarterbacks plate. Heck a lot of seasoned vets struggles in this department as well. That’s why most OC have their centers calling out the lines protection.

4. He has to get a little better with picking up the blitz pre-snap.
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When do you say he's not going to improve enough in these areas and move on. He's going into yr 4, so would yr 5 or putting a franchise tag on him yr 6 before YOU make this decision? Or would you sign him to say a 35 mil per yr over say 5 yrs and hope he makes improvement in the areas you listed? What have you seen that makes you think he will improve? If they sign him for 5 yrs after this yr that would make 9 yrs and all you have is hope that he gets better.

If this happens that's almost a decade. Texans fans will then have had another lost decade and all we as fans have is hope that DW4 will get better. This is troubling because over the past couple of yrs DW4's regressed. The things you listed he should be much better than he is in 3 yrs in the NFL. IMHO

This is a bad bet.
 
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steelbtexan said:
When do you say he's not going to improve enough in these areas and move on. He's going into yr 4, so would yr 5 or putting a franchise tag on him yr 6 before YOU make this decision? Or would you sign him to say a 35 mil per yr over say 5 yrs and hope he makes improvement in the areas you listed? What have you seen that makes you think he will improve? If they sign him for 5 yrs after this yr that would make 9 yrs and all you have is hope that he gets better.

If this happens that's almost a decade. Texans fans will then have had another lost decade and all we as fans have is hope that DW4 will get better. This is troubling because over the past couple of yrs DW4's regressed. The things you listed he should be much better than he is in 3 yrs in the NFL. IMHO

This is a bad bet.
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Watson has started 38 NFL games. He has not played 3 years (48 games) of NFL football. It appears your opinion is if he's not playing at the level of a 5-10 year QB within 38 games, he should be traded/released?

How many of the current starting NFL QBs had it all figured out in 38 games? I don't want to derail the conversation, but I can name at least 5 HOF QBs who did not have it figured out in 38 games. I can understand if you were willing to allow him to play 48 games to make a decision, but to want him gone after 38 games seems so short-sighted. Especially when good QBs do not grow on trees.
 
Earl34 said:
Watson has started 38 NFL games. He has not played 3 years (48 games) of NFL football. It appears your opinion is if he's not playing at the level of a 5-10 year QB within 38 games, he should be traded/released?

How many of the current starting NFL QBs had it all figured out in 38 games? I don't want to derail the conversation, but I can name at least 5 HOF QBs who did not have it figured out in 38 games.
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How many games do you give him to improve what TB listed before you're ready to move on? next yr and one franchised yr is what I would give him. Then I would have a full compliment of draft picks to find another QB.

Would you want to pay any QB 35 mil per yr over 5 yrs with the issues TB listed and only hope he will figure it out? If you're wrong (Which I think you will be, god RS screwed up this franchise for almost 2 decades.) then that's 9 more wasted yrs.
 
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