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Brandin Cooks to the Texans

Lucky said:
Why did that only affect Cooks production? Woods and Kupp produced.
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Only so many balls to go around. Plus if you watched the Rams over the yrs. Kupp and Woods have gotten most of the targets. A better question is why did Cooks numbers fall off. It wasn't because of injury and I dont think he's gotten slower or his hands have gotten worse.
 
powda said:
And still, you've not been able to dispute anything I've said.
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He literally quoted a dr to make his point and ignored the one sentence in it that proved him wrong.

Where do we get these people?
 
powda said:
He literally quoted a dr to make his point and ignored the one sentence in it that proved him wrong.

Where do we get these people?
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You know what Powda it’s not worth it any more. Usually you’re one of the more even and reasonable people on here but tonight you seem to be on some kind of crusade ignoring any facts to beat your point home. This is going no where and I’ve lost interest in it so good night and sleep well.
 
maverick512000 said:
You know what Powda it’s not worth it any more. Usually you’re one of the more even and reasonable people on here but tonight you seem to be on some kind of crusade ignoring any facts to beat your point home. This is going no where and I’ve lost interest in it so good night and sleep well.
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Thats great. Have a good night
 
mws said:
2019 Offense
Rams: 5,998 Net Total Yrds, 4,499 Total Passing Yrds, 1,499 Net Rushing Yrds, Total Points Scored 394
Txns: 5,792 Net Total Yrds, 3,783 Total Passing Yrds, 2,009 Net Rushing Yrds, Total Points Scored 378
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Which does open the question of why the Rams offense looked so disjointed. Texans offense wasn’t what I would call good but it did look more coherent than LA and Watson looked way better than Geoff.

So again if the numbers were on the Rams side why did their offense not pass the eye test. I will admit I didn’t catch all their games but the ones I did even the wins they did not look like the SB Rams.
 
The Texans offense was...not good last year.

Despite spending so much to get obrien's guys in here, it's still mediocre at best.

Ranked 16th in dvoa last year. Embarrassing.
 
maverick512000 said:
Which does open the question of why the Rams offense looked so disjointed. Texans offense wasn’t what I would call good but it did look more coherent than LA and Watson looked way better than Geoff.

So again if the numbers were on the Rams side why did their offense not pass the eye test. I will admit I didn’t catch all their games but the ones I did even the wins they did not look like the SB Rams.
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Maybe if cooks delivered like a 12m receiver they'd have been better?

Weren't you going to bed?
 
texanhead08 said:
Cooks deal isn't bad when you see if can be cut next year with no cap hit, but if you give up a 2nd rounder for him he better stick around longer than one season. That would be a massive fail on this trade if he cuts cut next year.

The concussion are a concern especially 4 in 26 months.
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That's exactly why he wasn't worth anymore than a 5th.

You can't just look at what he was 3 years ago and assume he'll be that again (as O'Brien seems to have done), you have to look at his contract situation too.

After this season he's either getting cut or massively overpaid.

My guess is cut, so we gave up a second rounder for a rental.
 
I think it's funny that the Rams went 9-7 in the toughest division in the NFL last year & everybody is talking about what a terrible year they had, while at the same time praising Billy O because he managed 3 seasons just like it in one of the weakest divisions in the league.
 
mws said:
I think it's funny that the Rams went 9-7 in the toughest division in the NFL last year & everybody is talking about what a terrible year they had, while at the same time praising Billy O because he managed 3 seasons just like it in one of the weakest divisions in the league.
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They also aren't imploding in the off-season.

They have gotten rid of their bad contracts while keeping their core players.

The coach isn't trading his best players in some weird pissing match
 
powda said:
Here where we are you either fall into one of 2 categories.

You either believe obrien is best for the team or...

You believe Watson is best for the team.

I know where you stand. I have no faith in O'Brien.
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I have no faith in either of them.

But we're going to find out about DW4 next season.
 
TheKDog said:
We found out about OBrien during the Hoyer-Mallet carousel.

That was only slightly less embarrassing than this off-season yet he is still here
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And as long as he is I dont give **** about this team.
 
mws said:
I think it's funny that the Rams went 9-7 in the toughest division in the NFL last year & everybody is talking about what a terrible year they had, while at the same time praising Billy O because he managed 3 seasons just like it in one of the weakest divisions in the league.
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Haha I know huh.
 
steelbtexan said:
How do you figure this is and what's fair market value? Who determines this? I think the Cooks trade was fair value.
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OK,

RAMS Trade to TEXANS:
Rams Send:
WR- Brandon Cooks (2019: 2 Concussions & 42 REC / 583 YDS + Full Contract 8M Guaranteed)
2022 RD4 Pick

Texans Send:
2020 RD2-057 Pick

TEXANS Trade to CARDINALS:
Texans Send:
WR- Deandre Hopkins (2019: 104 REC / 1,165 YDS + 0 Guaranteed on Contract)
2020 RD4-131

Cardinals Send:
RB- David Johnson (2019: RB3 / 94 RUS / 345 YDS / 36 REC / 370 YDS + 10.2M Guaranteed & 14.2M Cap Hit)
2020 RD2-040 Pick
2021 RD4-??? Pick

Brandon Cooks 2019 production would never warrant a RD2-057 pick from any other organization......except the Texans.
 
maverick512000 said:
Still doesn’t answer the question of how it was determined that OB or anybody could have gotten Cooks for a 4th. I’m not saying it’s wrong I just would like to know the formula used to determine this.
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Let's see, Rams are in cap hell and looking to dump salaries of lower performing but highly paid players. OB calls the Rams to enquire about Cooks.....Rams ask for a RD2....OB should've laughed and said call me when you're serious. How many other teams were on the get Cooks at all cost bandwagon? I'm pretty sure the Texans were only bidding against themselves. If OB had played hardball, he probably gets Cooks for a RD5 at best and RD4 at worst while taking on his entire contract. Eager Beaver OB got himself into a fan hole.
 
Wow, overnight you guys went at it. I find it interesting one side says look at his bad year only but all years of future salary and he has a bad injury history, 2 games missed in 5 years. The other side underplays the fact what we could have got with the 2.57 in terms of upside in WR and cheap contract as well as continuity, you cannot give up a rd2 and say we ship him out in 2021

So what would a real win look like for the Texans? Let's say Cooks plays like he has in his career versus 2019, production and availability, that is more likely than not if you look at body of work. Let's say since he has no more GTD money after 2020, they restructure to give him GTD money, but pay him less as he knows that money in non GTD years is not real. I personally do not like having WFV, Stills, and Cooks all on last year of their deals thus I had favored a rookie, but MAYBE they have a contract plan with two of these three? I also see the playground ball where when things break down, you have three jet guys who can break for big plays

The fail is, a one year rental, injury plagued season, or he does not "fit" in the offense which would mean he cannot pick it up or has no chemistry with DW4.

The wildcard for those of us that wanted a draft pick, is minimal interaction and OTAs may mean a lost season for a WR in a complex pro scheme.

To answer my pal Powda (bet you were drinking), $8m is ok for a guy of his career and health, and no way do I count him as injury prone. DW4 missed more games in 3 years then Cooks has in 5.
 
Moving past the lunacy of the Hopkins trade that got us here...why in the world would you trade a second rounder in this deep WR draft for a guy who wholly underperformed last year and has at least a concerning history with concussions? So many talented rookie WR’s who would cost less, be cemented on the team for the years ahead, and still give you the type of explosive speed we seem to be interested in. Makes. No. Sense.
 
houstonhurricane said:
Moving past the lunacy of the Hopkins trade that got us here...why in the world would you trade a second rounder in this deep WR draft for a guy who wholly underperformed last year and has at least a concerning history with concussions? So many talented rookie WR’s who would cost less, be cemented on the team for the years ahead, and still give you the type of explosive speed we seem to be interested in. Makes. No. Sense.
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Because your head coach is your GM and thus 2020 is more important then the outer years. GM's think more long term, coaches look out for today or they get fired. Thus why very few coaches are good GM's, hard to balance this. If we were close to the SB, I see going all in and weighing proven vets a bit higher, but sadly we are just a fringe contender so doing short term things will only speed our demise
 
OptimisticTexan said:
OK,

RAMS Trade to TEXANS:
Rams Send:
WR- Brandon Cooks (2019: 2 Concussions & 42 REC / 583 YDS + Full Contract 8M Guaranteed)
2022 RD4 Pick

Texans Send:
2020 RD2-057 Pick

TEXANS Trade to CARDINALS:
Texans Send:
WR- Deandre Hopkins (2019: 104 REC / 1,165 YDS + 0 Guaranteed on Contract)
2020 RD4-131

Cardinals Send:
RB- David Johnson (2019: RB3 / 94 RUS / 345 YDS / 36 REC / 370 YDS + 10.2M Guaranteed & 14.2M Cap Hit)
2020 RD2-040 Pick
2021 RD4-??? Pick

Brandon Cooks 2019 production would never warrant a RD2-057 pick from any other organization......except the Texans.
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Hey Billy was able to move up 17 spots in the second round. Wow what a masterpiece of a move. Lol can’t get no better than that.
 
TheKDog said:
We're either cutting Cooks or taking on the 3 massive last years of his deal.

That's not "big" that's terrible.

Worth a 5th round pick at best
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nah bro logo lover 101 - everyone will restructure for us because...... well no GOOD reason, but “just because” seems to be the logic.

so give up a 2nd for a rental or eat the salary for a bigger injury concern than Jadaveon Clowney.

Fun times yes?
 
RGV82 said:
As I have been saying all along, a 2nd round caliber RB + Hopkins is obviously the better choice than David Johnson and Brandin Cooks. BOB messed up horrifically on this one.
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Not disagreeing and no one will ever convince me that this was the plan all along. I do think OB made a rookie GM mistake by trading Hopkins, whether this was due to temper or ignorance or both I couldn’t say, and now is trying to make this best of a bad situation.

If anyone asked if I would give up Hopkins to get Cooks I’d laugh in their face. However if anyone asked if Hopkins was already gone and you got Cooks at 8 million and a 2nd that deal might have more legs particularly after CnD addressed the injury concerns. Still not saying I’d do it but it would be worth considering.

So again OB should be fired from at least his GM job BUT seeing as, again, that’s not happening best I could do is wait and see and hope the train wreck either doesn’t happen or isn’t to bad.

Seems OB is adopting the Microsoft style of football, Plug and Play or as we call it in the IT world Plug and Pray.
 
maverick512000 said:
Which does open the question of why the Rams offense looked so disjointed. Texans offense wasn’t what I would call good but it did look more coherent than LA and Watson looked way better than Geoff.

So again if the numbers were on the Rams side why did their offense not pass the eye test. I will admit I didn’t catch all their games but the ones I did even the wins they did not look like the SB Rams.
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Rich Schmidt said:
Because your head coach is your GM and thus 2020 is more important then the outer years. GM's think more long term, coaches look out for today or they get fired. Thus why very few coaches are good GM's, hard to balance this. If we were close to the SB, I see going all in and weighing proven vets a bit higher, but sadly we are just a fringe contender so doing short term things will only speed our demise
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Ah but you see I think that were the problem comes in that OB doesn’t think we are a fringe contender. I truly believes he thinks we are one good season away from a SB and who knows maybe he’s right. I mean it’s possible that all other SB teams have season ending injuries which would put Texans right there in the hunt.

Either way though as the HC after 6 years he can’t say “yeah I’ve been here 6 years and we are a fringe contender” in a league where some HCs last only one year. So OB the GM is making moves to insure OB the HC has a shot at a SB because he knows if by some miracle he does bring a championship to Houston he’ll have a job for life.
 
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