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Hopkins traded to Cardinals?

Johnson is older, Johnson is slower. Than other RBs, not just Hopkins. Remember the catch Hopkins made down the sidelines to basically win the Buffalo playoff game? Faster than their DB and faster than Fuller on that day, who was standing on the sidelines.
 
badboy said:
Which ones were offered a trade for Hopkins?
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Waiting for SteelB to provide links:

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The Texans got properly bent over on this one. What were they thinking? Draft capital? LoL!!! Give away a legit all pro for an injury risk and peanuts.
 
banned1976 said:
That is such BS and you know it. Hopkins is more valuable than a broken running back and a second round pick. Seriously, stop trolling this MB. It’s so transparent what you’re doing.
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Unless you dont think BOB shopped Nuk around before this trade, then that was his value. I know some have trouble accepting facts.
 
nut said:
Coach BO trades the same way the Indians did when they sold Manhattan for $24 worth of colored beads. He wouldn't last 2 hands in a poker game.
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he might if bank thought he was the next Belichick of Poker
 
Riblet said:
The Texans got properly bent over on this one. What were they thinking? Draft capital? LoL!!! Give away a legit all pro for an injury risk and peanuts.
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A top 40 pick isn't peanuts, but Nuk is worth more than what they got for him.

I know many dont like to hear this but BOB is clean the house RS built.
 
For Watson's sake, let's hope he leaves too. If he doesn't his career is going to be over very shortly. He'll be holding the ball and not have a wrestling champ to target. He'll be hit too often to last more than 2 or 3 games.

If I were the boss i'd trade him to Cincy for their 1st and draft Joe Burrow.
 
Seegara said:
For Watson's sake, let's hope he leaves too. If he doesn't his career is going to be over very shortly. He'll be holding the ball and not have a wrestling champ to target. He'll be hit too often to last more than 2 or 3 games.

If I were the boss i'd trade him to Cincy for their 1st and draft Joe Burrow.
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He’s e going to have to unless they luck up in the draft and snatch up a beast. Or grab another elite receiver from somewhere. Maybe he brings in Antonio Brown on the cheap prove it type deal.
 
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Mr teX said:
I am smarter ........than you....lol
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Lol you’re nothing but a self absorbed know it all who’s main POV is derived from being different. That’s how you approach every debate here. You read a few post and you respond with IM smarter than you and here’s why. You’re the skip bayless of this site. Only less liked and respected.
 
Texecutioner said:
That trade created the desperation that partly made him feel that he needed to get draft capital back.
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I understand what you are saying. I agree this may have been done out of desperation for the Tunsil trade.

Still I'm pissed he acted on that desperation so early in the league year & haven't got close to recouping what was given up.

We're getting nothing for DJ Reader... that's a mistake. We left money on the table with the Clowney & Hopkins trade.

Would have made more sense to deal Fuller for what we got in return.

I understand desperation. But this is desperate & stupid.
 
steelbtexan said:
Who would that be? Certainly not me.

However since I cant do anything about the Texans org. (They've been mismanaged since their inception) I'm hoping everything works out for the best. I'm a fan of the team winning and not individual players.
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But you got to admit steelb, imo winning with Hopkins wouldve been a whole lot easier than winning with a (washed up???) RB and a 2nd round pick (lottery).
 
maverick512000 said:
ftw.usatoday.com

The Texans' trade of DeAndre Hopkins was so bad that it got declined in Madden

That bad.
ftw.usatoday.com ftw.usatoday.com

Pretty much says it all.
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That is hilarious and pathetic at the same time. McNair should force BOB run all of his trades in Madden first. I assume Cal is just going to stand by while this baffoon runs his franchise into the ground.

I’ll keep this board running for you guys but I honestly have no interest in this team anymore. I can’t stand BOB. Someone said it best with the comment that he’s got Belichik’s arrogance with Matt Millen’s brains.
 
Decim8 said:
But you got to admit steelb, imo winning with Hopkins wouldve been a whole lot easier than winning with a (washed up???) RB and a 2nd round pick (lottery).
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Depends on how the rest of the offseason plays out.

So far it's not off to a promising start.

I would've been happy with this trade if a 2021 1st was added to this trade.
 
steelbtexan said:
Unless you dont think BOB shopped Nuk around before this trade, then that was his value. I know some have trouble accepting facts.
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Here's the trouble, though... given the fact that O'Brien traded a 3rd for Duke Johnson, a promising young OLman for Hyde, traded away two 1sts and a second... perhaps he was offered much more in draft compensation. However, he has demonstrated a tendency to overrate veteran RBs and undervalue early round draftpicks in the trade market... It is possible that other teams offered him a much better package of draft picks, but O'Brien thought the David Johnson deal was better.
 
dalemurphy said:
Here's the trouble, though... given the fact that O'Brien traded a 3rd for Duke Johnson, a promising young OLman for Hyde, traded away two 1sts and a second... perhaps he was offered much more in draft compensation. However, he has demonstrated a tendency to overrate veteran RBs and undervalue early round draftpicks in the trade market... It is possible that other teams offered him a much better package of draft picks, but O'Brien thought the David Johnson deal was better.
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Anything is possible.

Trading Rankin for Hyde wasn't overvaluing vet RB's. IMHO

I actually liked the Tunsil trade. I get that the draftniks didn't.
 
dalemurphy said:
Here's the trouble, though... given the fact that O'Brien traded a 3rd for Duke Johnson, a promising young OLman for Hyde, traded away two 1sts and a second... perhaps he was offered much more in draft compensation. However, he has demonstrated a tendency to overrate veteran RBs and undervalue early round draftpicks in the trade market... It is possible that other teams offered him a much better package of draft picks, but O'Brien thought the David Johnson deal was better.
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To be fair though that lineman haven't really done much, hyde imo thought did a decent job

The only thing that I thought was a mistake with FA last year was losing kjax. Jump to 2020 and bill throws this curveball

:hankpalm:
 
steelbtexan said:
I would think most of them.

You dont think Hopkins was shopped and this morning BOB woke up and said I think I will trade Nuk to Arizona.
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I think it's possible that the contract negotiation with Hopkins came to a standstill very recently. I also think it's possible that O'Brien wanted to send him to one of the worst teams in the league as perhaps a get you back warning to other players. I think O'Brien sees it as a possibility that Johnson could be a success in O'Brien system especially behind Our improving o line. If not it's a one-year deal basically. I also think that he reviewed draft & figured he could get a good receiver at 2.40. I think it's also possible that a deal just came together to sign free-agent Robby Anderson or one in a million chance Amari Cooper. I do not think that a true solid search for a good deal came up with only this. Bottom line I think Raiders would have given 1.19 and Miami 1.26 or even 2.39 for Hopkins.
 
zshawn10 said:
At first glance, this seems like an absolute steal for the Cardinals, who were able to shed Johnson’s roughly $20 million cap hit over the next two years and add one of the best playmakers in the NFL. Is there any other way to read it?

Scott Bordow, Cardinals writer: I think that’s the perfect read. I’m stunned the Cardinals were able to pull off this trade. The belief around the league was that Arizona would have to restructure Johnson’s deal — eating a significant amount of his $10.2 million in guaranteed money — and include a draft pick just to get off the contract. Instead, Houston takes on all of Johnson’s contract and the Cardinals get one of the best wide receivers for Johnson, whom they didn’t want, and a second-round pick? Incredible.

Aaron Reiss, Texans writer: This is Bill O’Brien’s worst trade yet. There’s no other way to put it. At least he ultimately turned Jadeveon Clowney into two serviceable defenders in situational rusher Jacob Martin and cornerback Gareon Conley, whom Houston acquired by trading Seattle’s third-round pick to Oakland. And at least the trade for Laremy Tunsil was made in the interest of protecting Watson long term. Dealing Hopkins makes life harder for Watson and is the strongest evidence yet that O’Brien lacks a good sense of what constitutes value.

Ted Nguyen, NFL film analyst: When I first saw the Cardinals traded for Johnson, my immediate reaction was that it had to be a salary dump and the Texans would receive compensation for taking on his salary, but then the news came out that they got Hopkins in return. Even with the draft picks involved, this is an absolute landslide win for the Cardinals — they unloaded a terrible contract and added one of the best (if not the best) wide receivers in the game.

Mike Sando, NFL writer: It feels as though the Texans are continually addressing short-term needs in ways that create new problems. It also feels as though it’ll take some time to figure out what Houston is thinking bigger picture. We might be seeing the Texans with their New England-based leadership continually assessing players based on whether those players are returning surplus value on the dollar. In that context, they might see Hopkins’ price tag rising in the future as his ability decreases. But to land only a running back and some (admittedly needed) draft capital in return for a player who should be very productive for years to come? That is a tough sell, especially without knowing what Houston has planned more broadly.

Lindsay Jones, NFL writer: If this trade had simply been a salary dump for the Cardinals, it still would have been a steal for Arizona. Throw in Hopkins and it’s one of the most baffling trades I can remember.

Sheil Kapadia, NFL writer: No, there’s no other way to read this. Hopkins is 27 years old and one of the best wide receivers. Consider recent precedent: The Giants got a first-round pick, a third-round pick and a player for Odell Beckham Jr.; the Raiders got a first-round pick for Amari Cooper. If the Texans were going to trade Hopkins — and I don’t think that should’ve been the case — the conversation should’ve started with a first-round pick and something else. Instead, they took on Johnson’s contract, which includes $10.2 million guaranteed next season, and got a second rounder. Teams with young quarterbacks should be doing everything possible to help them succeed. O’Brien just traded Deshaun Watson’s favorite target.

Dan Pompei, NFL writer: Sometimes when we try to analyze this sort of thing, we make it more complicated than it needs to be. Strip it down: You don’t get better by trading dominant players and Hopkins is a dominant player. This is a stunning move, the kind of move that would not have been made if a general manager was in charge of personnel in Houston instead of a head coach.

Amy Trask, NFL contributor: As we assess and discuss this trade, I will throw into the mix for consideration the first thought I had when I learned of it: Exceptional talent is just that, exceptional, and Hopkins is an exceptionally talented player. I had the same thought about this trade that I had when the Raiders traded Khalil Mack: Why would you trade away the sort of extraordinary talent teams do all they can to acquire? And yes, I know the ostensible reasons that teams often do these sorts of things, but I rarely think they make good sense.
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Bunch of knee jerk reactions.
 
steelbtexan said:
Anything is possible.

Trading Rankin for Hyde wasn't overvaluing vet RB's. IMHO

I actually liked the Tunsil trade. I get that the draftniks didn't.
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Following your logic, though, Rankin was more than 30 other teams were willing to pay up for Hyde (suggesting O'Brien values veteran RBs more than the rest of the league)

Whether you like the Tunsil trade or not, it was steep.

Even the Clowney deal indicates O'Brien is disinterested in draft picks... He got a 3rd round pick and two young veterans. (and I didn't mind the Clowney deal)

Every move he has made indicates he does not value draft picks.
 
Hookem Horns said:
That is hilarious and pathetic at the same time. McNair should force BOB run all of his trades in Madden first. I assume Cal is just going to stand by while this baffoon runs his franchise into the ground.

I’ll keep this board running for you guys but I honestly have no interest in this team anymore. I can’t stand BOB. Someone said it best with the comment that he’s got Belichik’s arrogance with Matt Millen’s brains.
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Hook'em, when I heard of this trade, I thought of you and the board... interest in the Texans will drop off and apathy will set in after this trade. What a kick in the head when I got home and my wife told me BOB traded Hopkins. Well, hope you can see fit to keep the board going. Regardless of what happens, thanks for your time and effort in the past.
 
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