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Hopkins traded to Cardinals?

I get it. Would love to hear Watsons thoughts on this. Hell, love to hear the honest truth from any of the players on the team.

here ya go:


those players who have been vocal about the move better put their homes up for sale. Wont be long before Emperor Buttcrack cuts them or trades them for a juggs machine.
 
If Bill thinks this is generating a lot of headlines, he better hope Johnson doesn’t go down this year for any reason. Get ready to see him wheeled out there on a stretcher for 3rd and longs
 
I'm talking about the reactions around here to every move that fans don't like...knee jerk over the top reactions...which you're exhibiting right now.

It's "the worst trade of all time"...it's "terrible value"....All ridiculous hyperbole by fans. I just look at it as a production thing. & when i look at a rookie in Tennessee posting 1000 yds recieving yards & 7 TDs and another in Seattle putting up 900 & 7 having caught 1/2 the number of receptions Nuk did last year....& then i see the WR draft class this year....As much as it hurt to see Nuk go, i can see that there will be life after him.

So you think this is a good freaking move? Dude we just got rid of one of the best recievers still in his got darn prime for a broken down RB and two draft picks not in the first round. And you don't think fans should be pissed or concerned about this stuff. I mean this darn offense struggles without Fuller so how do you think it's going to produce without a top three receiver? Who the F is going to produce on the level of Hopkins?

You don't get rid of massive talent like that unless you're getting equal to better return. Man I can't believe you're actually tripping on our reactions. Wow
 
Look, I get your schtick is to be Mr. Antagonist, and that's fine. You know damn well that the Clowney trade was ****, a 3rd for Duke, a 3rd stringer about to be cut, was ****, a 3rd for Conley was ****, the way the Tunsil deal was done where there should have been an extension before he got to the Miami airport but wasn't, was ****, a 2nd rounder for Kenny Stills was ****, and now this, which is probably the shittiest so far. But you're going to sit there and act like it's all good? You're not interested in a real conversation.

Good day, sir.

lol at schtick. There's no real conversation in here the way you guys knee jerk react to **** you don't like. Ya'll get so pissed off that folks won't join ya'll's little tar & feather brigade that your reading comprehension goes out the window & ya'll can't have an intelligent discussion without getting in your feelings.

Did i say it was "all good"? Did i say "i love this trade"? That would be a no on both fronts. I've actually gone on record & said that i absolutely hate it. Don't let that get in the way of your narrative though.

pretty sure everyone would agree that Tannehill isn't worth 119 million...apparently though the Titans must think he is. But i'm not gonna get caught up in this "value" argument with you guys again b/c apparently the true concept of it really seems to be lost on you and many others in here.
 
So you think this is a good freaking move? Dude we just got rid of one of the best recievers still in his got darn prime for a broken down RB and two draft picks not in the first round. And you don't think fans should be pissed or concerned about this stuff. I mean this darn offense struggles without Fuller so how do you think it's going to produce without a top three receiver? Who the F is going to produce on the level of Hopkins?

You don't get rid of massive talent like that unless you're getting equal to better return. Man I can't believe you're actually tripping on our reactions. Wow

It’s even worse, if you can believe that. The Texans sent their 2020 fourth-round pick to the Cardinals for their 2021 fourth-round pick, so, essentially, the Texans only got an expensive running back the Cardinals were considering cutting in David Johnson and a second-round pick for one of the three best wide receivers in the NFL.
 
It’s even worse, if you can believe that. The Texans sent their 2020 fourth-round pick to the Cardinals for their 2021 fourth-round pick, so, essentially, the Texans only got an expensive running back the Cardinals were considering cutting in David Johnson and a second-round pick for one of the three best wide receivers in the NFL.


This man is singlehandly driving this team in the shitters
 
It is obvious that OBriens plan is for all our opponents to fall down laughing when we play them and referees call game and we get 16 Ws as other teams cannot participate.
 
Well, I have had time to reflect and assess this issue and after careful consideration, I have come to the conclusion that Bill O'Brien is a ******* idiot. I am left with no choice but to contact the Texans administration and issue my formal disapproval under the strongest terms.
 
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Sometimes you can find some logic, some reason that something was done - even when you disagree. I mean, I twisted myself into a pretzel enough to be ok with the Clowney and Tunsil trades. It was difficult, but somehow I managed to find a way to see the logic in it.

There is not any amount of twisted logic that will ever be found to justify this trade. NONE.

This is an epic bad trade that will forever be on this idiot's record.
 
If I had any computer skills I would post a picture of the Hindenburg exploding with the Texan's logo on the side with the caption " OH THE HUMANITY !! " but I have no such skills.
I am now officially a Titans fan.
 
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Trade Clowney for a bag of chips, now deal Hopkins for magic beans. Why in the **** did they let Billie-O become the GM?
Do not forget we also took on half of clowneys contract with that trade. If you can call it that. What will it take for OB to get fired ? Our owner is a Joke. Has no idea what he is doing ? He needs a second opinion on OB.
 
I just wonder where the ownership is and what it could possibly be thinking while O'brien takes his wrecking ball to the teams core talent and most valued players ?
 
Let's presume the season gets canned due to Covid-19..... does this help the trade make any more sense. Does it clear cap room in the long run, does it stock picks in drafts that will actually happen?

Anything?

Throw me a bone
 
Tunsil had a facepalm emoji. Wonder how that impacts his decision making here.

Guess obrien the GM better hit a home run this offseason
 
Its time for the fans to show the McCairns how they feel. Seanson ticket holders should sale their tickets. You know its bad when all the leauge and the NFl network is mocking your team. Lets get a petition signed to get OB removed. Our Texans fans and players deserve better. Lets all join together and get the cancer OB removed and a one way ticket out of Houston.
 
Man, I am so sorry to hear the bad news guys! Having lived in Houston for 20+ years I’ve posted here from time-to-time, but I am a Raider fan. Still, I like the Texans, and this was a terrible trade. I have the advantage of not being emotionally tied to the team, so I’d like to think I have a clear view of this trade, and the Texans got fleeced. I can only think that maybe BOB knows something about Hopkins we don’t, but I seriously doubt it. We’ll see. Unfrickin’ believable.
 
Let's presume the season gets canned due to Covid-19..... does this help the trade make any more sense. Does it clear cap room in the long run, does it stock picks in drafts that will actually happen?

Anything?

Throw me a bone

I wondered the same thing. Maybe more to the story brewing here? Maybe I am just being overly hopeful?
 
Let's presume the season gets canned due to Covid-19..... does this help the trade make any more sense. Does it clear cap room in the long run, does it stock picks in drafts that will actually happen?

Anything?

Throw me a bone

We’d have the surprise offensive threat of a 30 year old RB?


And when I say surprise, that includes Texans fans.
 
So you think this is a good freaking move? Dude we just got rid of one of the best recievers still in his got darn prime for a broken down RB and two draft picks not in the first round. And you don't think fans should be pissed or concerned about this stuff. I mean this darn offense struggles without Fuller so how do you think it's going to produce without a top three receiver? Who the F is going to produce on the level of Hopkins?

You don't get rid of massive talent like that unless you're getting equal to better return. Man I can't believe you're actually tripping on our reactions. Wow

Seriously, it isn’t like they got what the Raiders did for Kahlil Mack. In the end, that turned out to be a damn good trade for the Raiders. This won’t be like that for the Texans.
 
Of course "friction" is the reason. Perhaps Bill's communication skills suck? I'll try to speak to this in Bill's language "Bill you effin suck at being a GM. You effin suck as a play caller and you suck as a leader."

I have never given up on a team before but Bill and Cal leave me no choice. Eff this franchise and wasting so many years on this toilet franchise.
could it say it any better. He is waisting the players and the fans time with his descions and calls. We will be lucky to resign watson next year.
 
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This feels very similar to when Chip Kelly was with the Eagles and won his power struggle against Howie Roseman. After taking control of personnel, Kelly got rid of Deshaun Jackson, LeSean McCoy and even Nick Foles.

After two consecutive 10-6 seasons and a 6-10 season, Kelly was fired, Roseman resumed control of personnel and three years later, Roseman and his new HC wins a Super Bowl. Maybe this is move leads to O'Brien becoming the next Chip Kelly.
 
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Unlike a lot of people on here though I’m just not knee jerk like that. Gotta see what is done in the draft and the rest of FA..then gotta see what this team looks like next year...

Sorry... this makes no sense. On it's own merit the trade is lopsided in Arizona's favor.

Unless BO'b can turn that 2nd round pick into a 2020 1st & 3rd, nothing that happens in the draft can right the trade in our favor, or even for that matter.

This trade is objectively bad.
 
Sorry... this makes no sense. On it's own merit the trade is lopsided in Arizona's favor.

Unless BO'b can turn that 2nd round pick into a 2020 1st & 3rd, nothing that happens in the draft can right the trade in our favor, or even for that matter.

This trade is objectively bad.
2.40 = 500 points and 2.57 = 338 add a 7th and we could be looking at 1.20!! Unfortunately that belongs to JAGS.
 
Sometimes you can find some logic, some reason that something was done - even when you disagree. I mean, I twisted myself into a pretzel enough to be ok with the Clowney and Tunsil trades. It was difficult, but somehow I managed to find a way to see the logic in it.

There is not any amount of twisted logic that will ever be found to justify this trade. NONE.

This is an epic bad trade that will forever be on this idiot's record.

There will be reasons offered. None will justify it.
 
The only hope for the Toros would be if Cal flatly refused to sign off on the trade. That isn't about to happen. Oh, I'll stay on the forum for the sake of the non-sports talk section. I just won't have anything to do with the team from now on.
 

At first glance, this seems like an absolute steal for the Cardinals, who were able to shed Johnson’s roughly $20 million cap hit over the next two years and add one of the best playmakers in the NFL. Is there any other way to read it?

Scott Bordow, Cardinals writer: I think that’s the perfect read. I’m stunned the Cardinals were able to pull off this trade. The belief around the league was that Arizona would have to restructure Johnson’s deal — eating a significant amount of his $10.2 million in guaranteed money — and include a draft pick just to get off the contract. Instead, Houston takes on all of Johnson’s contract and the Cardinals get one of the best wide receivers for Johnson, whom they didn’t want, and a second-round pick? Incredible.

Aaron Reiss, Texans writer: This is Bill O’Brien’s worst trade yet. There’s no other way to put it. At least he ultimately turned Jadeveon Clowney into two serviceable defenders in situational rusher Jacob Martin and cornerback Gareon Conley, whom Houston acquired by trading Seattle’s third-round pick to Oakland. And at least the trade for Laremy Tunsil was made in the interest of protecting Watson long term. Dealing Hopkins makes life harder for Watson and is the strongest evidence yet that O’Brien lacks a good sense of what constitutes value.

Ted Nguyen, NFL film analyst: When I first saw the Cardinals traded for Johnson, my immediate reaction was that it had to be a salary dump and the Texans would receive compensation for taking on his salary, but then the news came out that they got Hopkins in return. Even with the draft picks involved, this is an absolute landslide win for the Cardinals — they unloaded a terrible contract and added one of the best (if not the best) wide receivers in the game.

Mike Sando, NFL writer: It feels as though the Texans are continually addressing short-term needs in ways that create new problems. It also feels as though it’ll take some time to figure out what Houston is thinking bigger picture. We might be seeing the Texans with their New England-based leadership continually assessing players based on whether those players are returning surplus value on the dollar. In that context, they might see Hopkins’ price tag rising in the future as his ability decreases. But to land only a running back and some (admittedly needed) draft capital in return for a player who should be very productive for years to come? That is a tough sell, especially without knowing what Houston has planned more broadly.

Lindsay Jones, NFL writer: If this trade had simply been a salary dump for the Cardinals, it still would have been a steal for Arizona. Throw in Hopkins and it’s one of the most baffling trades I can remember.

Sheil Kapadia, NFL writer: No, there’s no other way to read this. Hopkins is 27 years old and one of the best wide receivers. Consider recent precedent: The Giants got a first-round pick, a third-round pick and a player for Odell Beckham Jr.; the Raiders got a first-round pick for Amari Cooper. If the Texans were going to trade Hopkins — and I don’t think that should’ve been the case — the conversation should’ve started with a first-round pick and something else. Instead, they took on Johnson’s contract, which includes $10.2 million guaranteed next season, and got a second rounder. Teams with young quarterbacks should be doing everything possible to help them succeed. O’Brien just traded Deshaun Watson’s favorite target.

Dan Pompei, NFL writer: Sometimes when we try to analyze this sort of thing, we make it more complicated than it needs to be. Strip it down: You don’t get better by trading dominant players and Hopkins is a dominant player. This is a stunning move, the kind of move that would not have been made if a general manager was in charge of personnel in Houston instead of a head coach.

Amy Trask, NFL contributor: As we assess and discuss this trade, I will throw into the mix for consideration the first thought I had when I learned of it: Exceptional talent is just that, exceptional, and Hopkins is an exceptionally talented player. I had the same thought about this trade that I had when the Raiders traded Khalil Mack: Why would you trade away the sort of extraordinary talent teams do all they can to acquire? And yes, I know the ostensible reasons that teams often do these sorts of things, but I rarely think they make good sense.
 
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