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Hopkins traded to Cardinals?

PapaL said:
Remember when we were told BOb was the brains of the operation and Rick Smith was the bumbling buffoon? Rick drafted talent, Bill wasted it.
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Can't agree with you there. Consider the entire draft Hopkins came from, 2013. All washouts except Hop. Rick drafted talent in about 1 out of 5 picks by my estimation. /derail
 
Texecutioner said:
WE did!!

Now I'm waiting on all of those "Tunsil trade" supporters to come back and tell me about how that trade wasn't going to make Bob extremely desperate going into the next off season once he had no draft capital?

Now y'all lost Hop.
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It's not that he was desperate to replace the draft capital, to me anyway, it's that he did this trade.

Maybe acting on that desperation, but it's way too early for something like this.

A week before the season, not happy with your LT situation, sure... trade a couple of firsts. But we've barely started this league year. Draft is weeks away.

Johnson + a 2021 1st is still highway robbery. (A 2020 2nd is equivalent to a 2021 1st, the pick (plus a 2021 2nd) that needs replacing).
 
Mr teX said:
I'm talking about the reactions around here to every move that fans don't like...knee jerk over the top reactions...which you're exhibiting right now.

It's "the worst trade of all time"...it's "terrible value"....All ridiculous hyperbole by fans. I just look at it as a production thing. & when i look at a rookie in Tennessee posting 1000 yds recieving yards & 7 TDs and another in Seattle putting up 900 & 7 having caught 1/2 the number of receptions Nuk did last year....& then i see the WR draft class this year....As much as it hurt to see Nuk go, i can see that there will be life after him.
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You should probably put in an application to the Texans.
Sounds like you're OB's kinda guy. He has no clue about value either.
 
I just realized this must be related to why Hopkins received fewer targets last season. His numbers plummeted compared to 2018.
 
DVauthrin said:
I like Deshaun Watson a lot, but, right now, Hopkins is better at his position than Watson is at his. You can easily make the argument that Hopkins is the best wide receiver in the NFL, and you can’t make that same argument with Watson, yet. At a bare minimum, Hopkins is one of the three best wide receivers in the NFL. Again, you can’t say the same about Watson’s place among quarterbacks.
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Hopkins is great..no denying that, But DW4 is clearly the future of this franchise..he was in the running for MVP just last year..he stirs the drink & we go as he goes. For as great as Nuk was his production can be replaced. You're not easily replacing DW4's production.
 
What really hurts is this is likely a cap decision based on the awful deals they cut Nick Martin and Mercilus.
They need Tunsil, Watson and a CB. But OB has shown he isn’t capable of scheming a WR open, Hop could catch it without being open and Fuller can run past anyone for 6 games a year. Now they don’t have anyone for the other 10 games.
 
CstatTexan said:
Neither of the decisions you brought up are direct or indirect decisions of mortgaging the future for incremental progress in the present. The people that approved of Bills trades last year justified it with super bowl or bust, well the Texans busted. You can only have the mindset so many years before you really set your team back.


And the general reaction on here is consistent with the rest of the sports world.


If the reasoning for the trade is draft capital then the Tunsil trade is directly connected.

And if draft capital isn’t the reasoning, well I’m not sure there’s any other reason to make this trade. I can’t make sense of it.
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Its pretty easy when you look at it in terms of how a tyrant operates. Rumor is that Nuk wanted to rework his deal, never was a nuisance, kept it quiet behind closed doors etc... but OBrien in his emotional state (must be his period day) decided that not only was he NOT going to rework Nuks deal (100% deserving of a new deal BTW) but he said that he would trade him just for asking. The moron did the very same thing to JD last year .. tried to trade him behind closed doors in a totally shady way and then got mad when JD did not want to go to Miami, and then he traded him for peanuts in a state of rage and emotion. Same thing here.

The man is too emotional to be in charge of personnel - he has no ability for making difficult business decisions. Too bad that some of you wont be able to see that until the franchise is smoldering in ruins.
 
Speedy said:
You should probably put in an application to the Texans.
Sounds like you're OB's kinda guy. He has no clue about value either.
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Sounds to me like its you guys who have no clue..but whatever. I'll put in an application for the Texans if you put in 1 for First Take so i don't have to hear Skip Bayless' "hot" takes anymore :)
 
Mr teX said:
Charley Casserly just said we aren't better....that makes me feel good about the trade lol.
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I'd take Casserly over O'Brien.
Mr teX said:
Think its safe to say that we are now in the market for a WR...so with us getting the #40 pick in the 2nd round, what WR's will be available for us around that slot?
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Not this thread. The body is still warm.
austins23 said:
I told myself, "Self, no drinking after work today." Well that idea just went up in flames.
Dammit, OB! What are you thinking?
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"I picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue."
Mr teX said:
They didn't want to be reupping with Nuk when he was close to 30 especially after seeing Julio Jones getting re-upped for 20 per. Nuk was great for the contested catches but i think its clear they're trying to get faster out there too......Just sucks that Nuk couldn't be a Texans for life.
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You probalby didn't see the segment on HOF WRs during the combine. All the top WRs had an average 40 of 4.5. The conclusion was that the really fast WRs were out of control coming out of their breaks.

I'm guessing O'Brien didn't see that, either.
dream_team said:
I thought the Clowney deal was dumb, BOB once again proves me wrong and shows me what dumb really is.
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Texans fans: The Clowney trade was the dumbest ever!
O'Brien: Hold my beer.

santo said:
It's too early to say this. He still has draft picks and Watson left to trade.
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O'Brien might even get 2 2nd rounders for Watson! If he kicks in a 4th.
powda said:
Hate it.

Ob you suck.
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Best post of the thread, in less than 20 characters. Powerful, yet concise.
CloakNNNdagger said:
Johnson can't be considered injury prone.
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But Johnson can be considered washed up.
steelbtexan said:
BOB should've gotten a 1st for Hopkins since he took on DJ's contract.
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Actually, O'Brien is a worse GM than HC. Who could have predicted that?
 
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thunderkyss said:
It's not that he was desperate to replace the draft capital, to me anyway, it's that he did this trade.

Maybe acting on that desperation, but it's way too early for something like this.

A week before the season, not happy with your LT situation, sure... trade a couple of firsts. But we've barely started this league year. Draft is weeks away.

Johnson + a 2021 1st is still highway robbery. (A 2020 2nd is equivalent to a 2021 1st, the pick (plus a 2021 2nd) that needs replacing).
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Sure, trade away a couple firsts?

Your value on 1st rounders and the salary cap management is pretty low.

That trade created the desperation that partly made him feel that he needed to get draft capital back.

I explained this over and over for the last 5 months. Now you're seeing the salvage from that.
 
Mr teX said:
For as great as Nuk was his production can be replaced.
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I'm just not so sure about this. I know Stills and Fuller aren't giving the Texans what Hopkins gave them. What rookie, in OB's "game plan" offense is going to come in and give the Texans what Hopkins gave them? I kind of get what you're saying but like others said, why give him away for nothing. Hell, OB didn't even get a reach around from the Cards during that exchange!
 
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It’s been real. But I can’t support this fuckery. I’m not even upset, BoB is a dumb*** and it shows every single day. I really pRay Deshaun puts in a trade request.
 
I don‘t have a big problem with trading away Nuk. I love him as a player, but selling high on a WR that is getting older and has shown first signs of a decline is ok with me. That being said, we didn’t sell high. Johnson is more of a negative with his contract and injury history - and then all we got is a second rounder? That at least should have been a first or two seconds... it looks like we were shopping him, and there was no reason for that. Now we have a big hole at WR because all of our guys are injury prone. One more problem we didn‘t need to have.
 
austins23 said:
I'm just not so sure about this. I know Stills and Fuller aren't giving the Texans what Hopkins gave them. What rookie, in OB's "game plan" offense is going to come in and give the Texans what Hopkins gave them? I kind of get what you're saying but like others said, why give him away for nothing. Hell, OB didn't even get a reach around from the Cards during that exchange!
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not one single rookie WR will come into this offense and give you what Nuk Hopkins did. NOT ONE. Anyone who tries to sell you on this notion has no understanding about how the game of football is played and is just covering for Bill OBriens fuckery.
 
LikeMike said:
I don‘t have a big problem with trading away Nuk. I love him as a player, but selling high on a WR that is getting older and has shown first signs of a decline is ok with me. That being said, we didn’t sell high. Johnson is more of a negative with his contract and injury history - and then all we got is a second rounder? That at least should have been a first or two seconds... it looks like we were shopping him, and there was no reason for that. Now we have a big hole at WR because all of our guys are injury prone. One more problem we didn‘t need to have.
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But he wasn't on the decline. I think he was playing hurt in the KC playoff game.
 
Mr teX said:
Sounds to me like its you guys who have no clue..but whatever. I'll put in an application for the Texans if you put in 1 for First Take so i don't have to hear Skip Bayless' "hot" takes anymore :)
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Look, I get your schtick is to be Mr. Antagonist, and that's fine. You know damn well that the Clowney trade was ****, a 3rd for Duke, a 3rd stringer about to be cut, was ****, a 3rd for Conley was ****, the way the Tunsil deal was done where there should have been an extension before he got to the Miami airport but wasn't, was ****, a 2nd rounder for Kenny Stills was ****, and now this, which is probably the shittiest so far. But you're going to sit there and act like it's all good? You're not interested in a real conversation.

Good day, sir.
 
LikeMike said:
I don‘t have a big problem with trading away Nuk. I love him as a player, but selling high on a WR that is getting older and has shown first signs of a decline is ok with me. That being said, we didn’t sell high. Johnson is more of a negative with his contract and injury history - and then all we got is a second rounder? That at least should have been a first or two seconds... it looks like we were shopping him, and there was no reason for that. Now we have a big hole at WR because all of our guys are injury prone. One more problem we didn‘t need to have.
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LMAO @ "selling high"
 
On #Texans trading DeAndre Hopkins: I'm told it was clear to Houston that a contract renegotiation at some point was part of keeping Hopkins. Texans are prioritizing extensions w/ Watson & Tunsil + see WR draft depth and some trade options. They felt this move fit a larger plan.
— Charles Robinson (@CharlesRobinson) March 16, 2020
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LikeMike said:
That‘s what I said. I would have been ok with trading him if we were selling high - and we were not. We gave him away for little in return.
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got you brother .. sorry im locking in on certain key words right now with my tunnel vision of rage. carry on.
 
Uncle Rico said:
not one single rookie WR will come into this offense and give you what Nuk Hopkins did. NOT ONE. Anyone who tries to sell you on this notion has no understanding about how the game of football is played and is just covering for Bill OBriens fuckery.
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Oh I know. Was trying to put it as nicely as I could.
 
Not a fan of trading Hop but even if you do so you should get the proper compensation for a guy considered top 5 in his position. That's the biggest issue with the trade. Fins were able snag two first rounders out of us. So far we have traded a probowl defensive end and receiver and haven't got a single first round pick out of it.

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LikeMike said:
I don‘t have a big problem with trading away Nuk. I love him as a player, but selling high on a WR that is getting older and has shown first signs of a decline is ok with me. That being said, we didn’t sell high. Johnson is more of a negative with his contract and injury history - and then all we got is a second rounder? That at least should have been a first or two seconds... it looks like we were shopping him, and there was no reason for that. Now we have a big hole at WR because all of our guys are injury prone. One more problem we didn‘t need to have.
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Right. Like I said, if the Texans decided to go in another direction and move on from Nuk, I still wouldn't have liked it, but that's the business. Get your haul for him and move on. BUT YOU DO HAVE TO GET A HAUL IN RETURN!!!! HOLY **** HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND??!!
 
austins23 said:
Oh I know. Was trying to put it as nicely as I could.
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i cant do it. no way to sugarcoat this situation. i'll be surprised if I escape this day without a ban. im at my wits end, and I become untethered when people are actually supporting this move.

I mean does loyalty mean anything anymore???

You think that locker room is feeling pretty good about this news? Guys just lining up to resign long term deals with OBrien right? Smh.
 
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badboy said:
The Houston Chronicle's Aaron Wilson reports "friction existed" between DeAndre Hopkins and Bill O'Brien.
ESPN's Dianna Russini adds there were multiple sideline blowouts between Hopkins and O’Brien last year. This explains why the Texans accepted a below-market deal for Hopkins, who's coming off his third straight 1,000 yard season and doesn't turn 28 until June. Hopkins is owed $39.9 million over the next three years — a relative bargain at his $13.1 million AVV. The Cardinals' addition of Hopkins puts Kyler Murray in a great spot for a second-year leap.
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This is why it's a bad idea to have the HC also the GM. Coaches let emotions get in the way of personnel decisions. This seems like another case of BOB wanting to quickly get rid of a guy and not worrying about getting proper value in return.
 
deucetx said:
Not a fan of trading Hop but even if you do so you should get the proper compensation for a guy considered top 5 in his position. That's the biggest issue with the trade. Fins were able snag two first rounders out of us. So far we have traded a probowl defensive end and receiver and haven't got a single first round pick out of it.

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Pretty sure I saw this on the Cardinals twitter feed earlier. Pretty good troll job!
 
Uncle Rico said:
i cant do it. no way to sugarcoat this situation. i'll be surprised if I escape this day without a ban. im at my wits end, and I become untethered when people are actually supporting this move.

I mean does loyalty mean anything anymore???

You think that locker room is feeling pretty good about this news? Guys just lining up to resign long term deals with OBrien right? Smh.
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I get it. Would love to hear Watsons thoughts on this. Hell, love to hear the honest truth from any of the players on the team.
 
deucetx said:
Not a fan of trading Hop but even if you do so you should get the proper compensation for a guy considered top 5 in his position. That's the biggest issue with the trade. Fins were able snag two first rounders out of us. So far we have traded a probowl defensive end and receiver and haven't got a single first round pick out of it.

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This makes me want to lick a virus-laden doorknob.
 
Mr teX said:
I'm talking about the reactions around here to every move that fans don't like...knee jerk over the top reactions...which you're exhibiting right now.

It's "the worst trade of all time"...it's "terrible value"....All ridiculous hyperbole by fans. I just look at it as a production thing. & when i look at a rookie in Tennessee posting 1000 yds recieving yards & 7 TDs and another in Seattle putting up 900 & 7 having caught 1/2 the number of receptions Nuk did last year....& then i see the WR draft class this year....As much as it hurt to see Nuk go, i can see that there will be life after him.
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I look at it as did we get good value?

I didn't want to trade Nuk, but BOB did... fine! Just make sure to get good (or even equal) value for him.

I don't think it's crazy to think we may end up better next season? David Johnson could return to his All-Pro self. Maybe we'll draft a good player in the 2nd? But that doesn't change the fact that this was a bad deal because we should have gotten more... alot more!
 
LikeMike said:
I don‘t have a big problem with trading away Nuk. I love him as a player, but selling high on a WR that is getting older and has shown first signs of a decline is ok with me. That being said, we didn’t sell high. Johnson is more of a negative with his contract and injury history - and then all we got is a second rounder? That at least should have been a first or two seconds... it looks like we were shopping him, and there was no reason for that. Now we have a big hole at WR because all of our guys are injury prone. One more problem we didn‘t need to have.
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Based on what exactly? OBJ was just as good if not better & he fetched a 1st and a 2nd...but he was also younger, faster and more dynamic than Nuk. + he had just been locked up by the Giants for 5 years/90 mill at the time of the trade so The Browns "thought" they were going to get him happy and paid where they wouldn't have to do anything. Nuk will want a new contract either this year or the next & he'll want to be paid 20 per like all the top WR's. All of that factors in why it was slightly different.
 
Guess obrien figures if we have a ball control running offense then we keep the time of posession heavily in our favor so that a team like the chiefs will drop 40 instead of 51.
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dream_team said:
I look at it as did we get good value?

I didn't want to trade Nuk, but BOB did... fine! Just make sure to get good (or even equal) value for him.

I don't think it's crazy to think we may end up better next season? David Johnson could return to his All-Pro self. Maybe we'll draft a good player in the 2nd? But that doesn't change the fact that this was a bad deal because we should have gotten more... alot more!
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David Johnson has started fewer games than both JJ Watt and Will Fuller the last 3 seasons.
 
dream_team said:
This is why it's a bad idea to have the HC also the GM. Coaches let emotions get in the way of personnel decisions. This seems like another case of BOB wanting to quickly get rid of a guy and not worrying about getting proper value in return.
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True but a GM like Smith didn't do right by us either. My only hope is he doesn't get mad at Tunsil or Watson. I wonder if JJ is looking around?
 
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