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Hopkins traded to Cardinals?

theCATALYST said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#Texans</a> woke up today without a first-round pick. They traded Deandre Hopkins. And still don&#39;t have a first-round pick.</p>&mdash; NFL Update (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="
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LMAOOOOOO two of the top 4 trends in the country are Texan related ... and they are getting their asses spitroasted by everyone in AMerica .. oh and the other 2 trends are corona virus related!!! THE HILARITY!!
 
Thorn said:
I don't give a crap about the NFL in general, only the Texans, so I can't really get behind another team. Looks like my fall and winter Sundays will be free for a while.
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This is where I am. I used to listen to sports talk all day long but quit after all the blathering about the Astros cheating. I’m in a better mood without it. Coronavirus canceling all sports is another stake in to the heart of my sports fandom. Looks like this terrible trade is finishing the job. All I have left is the disappointment of UT football.
 
I'm gonna plan a trip to Glendale next year just to watch Hop go off for 210 yds and 3 TD's against this dumpster fire team OB is gonna trot out there!
 
The Houston Chronicle's Aaron Wilson reports "friction existed" between DeAndre Hopkins and Bill O'Brien.
ESPN's Dianna Russini adds there were multiple sideline blowouts between Hopkins and O’Brien last year. This explains why the Texans accepted a below-market deal for Hopkins, who's coming off his third straight 1,000 yard season and doesn't turn 28 until June. Hopkins is owed $39.9 million over the next three years — a relative bargain at his $13.1 million AVV. The Cardinals' addition of Hopkins puts Kyler Murray in a great spot for a second-year leap.
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DVauthrin said:
The Texans gave up a top three wide receiver and their best offensive player for an injury-prone running back that the Cardinals considered releasing because he makes $14 million this season and a second-round pick. Whether you agree with trading Hopkins or not (I don’t), they got fleeced value wise. I’m sure there were teams willing to give at least one and maybe two first round picks for Hopkins.

Bill O’Brien has succeeded in weakening the Texans’ draft assets for this season and next along with the overall product on the field. It’s an amazing feat that many people couldn’t pull off.
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Ehh, every year with this team fans ***** & moan about the moves this team makes under this guy and just about every year we advance and get better. It Doesn’t always show up the way we want it to, but it does happen. Last year around this time people were losing their **** about the selection of Howard instead of them being aggressive and going after Dillard in the draft.

Years before that it was the release of AJ...

Both moves seemed to work out ok for the team in the long run.


Bottom line for me is I’ve just learned to not get all pissy with things like this. Some in here can’t help it.
 
Porky said:
Johnson is injury prone and aging. Ya if he is fully healthy he is a stud but I don’t buy it and I would not have done that trade for anything less than their high number one pick and DJ.

Dumpster fire doesn’t even cover this. Dude thinks he a wheeler dealer. Problem is he gets the shaft on every deal he does.
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Johnson can't be considered injury prone.

Sep 10, 2017..........Wrist Dislocation........missed the remainder of the season after going down in Week 1. He missed the remainder of the season.

Jan 1, 2017.........Knee MCL Sprain Grade 2.........ended his season early in Week 17 with a sprained MCL. He avoided surgery.

Nov 27, 2016.......Finger Dislocation...........dislocated a finger in Week 12. The injury did not cost him any games.

Aug 3, 2015.......Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
 
Texecutioner said:
WE did!!

Now I'm waiting on all of those "Tunsil trade" supporters to come back and tell me about how that trade wasn't going to make Bob extremely desperate going into the next off season once he had no draft capital?

Now y'all lost Hop.
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Exactly. Those of us who wanted O'Brien fired years ago were saying he is damaging the franchise long term.

The longer he stays the more damage he causes. It will be a long rebuild
 
DVauthrin said:
The Texans gave up a top three wide receiver and their best offensive player for an injury-prone running back that the Cardinals considered releasing because he makes $14 million this season and a second-round pick. Whether you agree with trading Hopkins or not (I don’t), they got fleeced value wise. I’m sure there were teams willing to give at least one and maybe two first round picks for Hopkins.

Bill O’Brien has succeeded in weakening the Texans’ draft assets for this season and next along with the overall product on the field. It’s an amazing feat that many people couldn’t pull off.
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the best offensive player is DW4.
 
Brisco_County said:
This is O'Brien's attempt to be Belichick.

He needs to win a couple of Super Bowls before he pulls something like this.
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Spot on IMO!

I think he misses the point, to be able to make this kind of bold moves, he has to EARN the right (and respect)... That has not happened yet (and wont ever)
 
To everyone who loved the tunsil trade. This a result of that. Hopkins wanna get paid like tunsil

Seen that OB wanted to trade him last year. Yet Gaine wouldn't let him. The friction was there.

So Hopkins found his way out via money lol
 
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Mr teX said:
Lol not trying to “ defend”...I absolutely hate this move more than any other move this franchise has ever made....

Unlike a lot of people on here though I’m just not knee jerk like that. Gotta see what is done in the draft and the rest of FA..then gotta see what this team looks like next year...
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And if this was a knee jerk instance then you’d have a point. Unfortunately this has become the norm since OB has taken total control, starting with the Clowney deal and the chain of events that followed, and, after today, is still going on.

You can not give away talent and get little to no value in return trade after trade after trade. You just can’t.

I don’t have a problem if the Texans decided to go another direction that didn’t include Nuk, but you ******* get something back for him!!!!

This dude has zero concept of value and the entire league is laughing their asses of because of it. That **** will catch up and this franchise will be the Browns for the next decade.
 
Mr teX said:
the best offensive player is DW4.
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I like Deshaun Watson a lot, but, right now, Hopkins is better at his position than Watson is at his. You can easily make the argument that Hopkins is the best wide receiver in the NFL, and you can’t make that same argument with Watson, yet. At a bare minimum, Hopkins is one of the three best wide receivers in the NFL. Again, you can’t say the same about Watson’s place among quarterbacks.
 
Holy ****, what a fleece job by the Cards...
bro what the **** is houston doing
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Cardinals got rid of David Johnson’s awful contract, got a 4th this year, and Deandre Hopkins.

They only had to give up a second and next years 4th.

Bill OBrien is an idiot.
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Those aren't my comments but rather thoughts about the deal on a Cheifs MB who are as puzzled as we are ?
Nobody has a clue, not a clue why anybody would do this deal ?
 
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IDEXAN said:
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Holy ****, what a fleece job by the Cards...
bro what the **** is houston doing
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Cardinals got rid of David Johnson’s awful contract, got a 4th this year, and Deandre Hopkins.

They only had to give up a second and next years 4th.

Bill OBrien is an idiot.
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https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=329926&page=2
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Those aren't my comments but rather thoughts about the deal on a Cheifs MB who are as puzzled as we are ?
Nobody has a clue, not a clue why anybody would do this deal ?
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Even worse is that Johnson probably would have been cut anyway.
 
BOB should've gotten a 1st for Hopkins since he took on DJ's contract.

Be it a 2020 2nd and a 2021 2nd, or a 2020 1st.

Bad trade,

Hopefully BOB spends the two 2nds and a. 3rd on the defense. Plus signs a couple of FA'S on the defensive side of the ball.

Hopefully WFV/Stills and a couple of WR draft picks to round out the wr corps.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
To everyone who loved the tunsil trade. This a result of that. Hopkins wanna get paid like tunsil
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No this wasn’t the result of that, Hopkins and Tunsil are to different positions with two different markets. Plus Hopkins has 3 years left on his deal and wasn’t that bad of a cap hit. That being said I honestly can’t understand what the point of this was. If we had gotten a first the MAYBE but for a 2nd and a RB?

Not nay that but we are losing the only consistent and dependable weapon we had on offense for Watson to throw to? I don’t care if this is a deep WR draft if they drop to 2nd then they are not going to be on Hopkins level for at least a year and that is if the football gods decide to be kinder than they have ever been to any Houston team.

Worst part is.........I don’t even have watching the Roughnecks now to ease the pain.
 
Speedy said:
And if this was a knee jerk instance then you’d have a point. Unfortunately this has become the norm since OB has taken total control, starting with the Clowney deal and the chain of events that followed, and, after today, is still going on.

You can not give away talent and get little to no value in return trade after trade after trade. You just can’t.

I don’t have a problem if the Texans decided to go another direction that didn’t include Nuk, but you ******* get something back for him!!!!

This dude has zero concept of value and the entire league is laughing their asses of because of it. That **** will catch up and this franchise will be the Browns for the next decade.
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Clowney I excuse because that was a GM nightmare that wasn’t of OBs doing. This move I really don’t understand and I’m praying it’s all part of a larger move to I don’t know move the entire team to Arizona and send the Cardinals here or something.
 
maverick512000 said:
No this wasn’t the result of that, Hopkins and Tunsil are to different positions with two different markets. Plus Hopkins has 3 years left on his deal and wasn’t that bad of a cap hit. That being said I honestly can’t understand what the point of this was. If we had gotten a first the MAYBE but for a 2nd and a RB?

Not nay that but we are losing the only consistent and dependable weapon we had on offense for Watson to throw to? I don’t care if this is a deep WR draft if they drop to 2nd then they are not going to be on Hopkins level for at least a year and that is if the football gods decide to be kinder than they have ever been to any Houston team.

Worst part is.........I don’t even have watching the Roughnecks now to ease the pain.
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I updated my post. To better explain myself. Bro if the Texans gonna pay tunsil top dollar when he ain't the best why should Hopkins not be paid when he possibly is the best.

OB will trade tunsil one day lol
 
Mr teX said:
Ehh, every year with this team fans ***** & moan about the moves this team makes under this guy and just about every year we advance and get better. It Doesn’t always show up the way we want it to, but it does happen. Last year around this time people were losing their **** about the selection of Howard instead of them being aggressive and going after Dillard in the draft.

Years before that it was the release of AJ...

Both moves seemed to work out ok for the team in the long run.


Bottom line for me is I’ve just learned to not get all pissy with things like this. Some in here can’t help it.
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Neither of the decisions you brought up are direct or indirect decisions of mortgaging the future for incremental progress in the present. The people that approved of Bills trades last year justified it with super bowl or bust, well the Texans busted. You can only have the mindset so many years before you really set your team back.


And the general reaction on here is consistent with the rest of the sports world.
maverick512000 said:
No this wasn’t the result of that, Hopkins and Tunsil are to different positions with two different markets. Plus Hopkins has 3 years left on his deal and wasn’t that bad of a cap hit. That being said I honestly can’t understand what the point of this was. If we had gotten a first the MAYBE but for a 2nd and a RB?

Not nay that but we are losing the only consistent and dependable weapon we had on offense for Watson to throw to? I don’t care if this is a deep WR draft if they drop to 2nd then they are not going to be on Hopkins level for at least a year and that is if the football gods decide to be kinder than they have ever been to any Houston team.

Worst part is.........I don’t even have watching the Roughnecks now to ease the pain.
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If the reasoning for the trade is draft capital then the Tunsil trade is directly connected.

And if draft capital isn’t the reasoning, well I’m not sure there’s any other reason to make this trade. I can’t make sense of it.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
I updated my post. To better explain myself. Bro if the Texans gonna pay tunsil top dollar when he ain't the best why should Hopkins not be paid when he possibly is the best.

OB will trade tunsil one day lol
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Because we had him locked for three years still. Agents and players know when they sign deals that someone soon will come along and sign a bigger deal but they also know you can’t negotiate based on what might happen 5 years down the line. Next time Hopkins deal came up he would most likely be top paid WR again, right up until the next guy was up for resigning.
 
Mr teX said:
Ehh, every year with this team fans ***** & moan about the moves this team makes under this guy and just about every year we advance and get better. It Doesn’t always show up the way we want it to, but it does happen. Last year around this time people were losing their **** about the selection of Howard instead of them being aggressive and going after Dillard in the draft.

Years before that it was the release of AJ...

Both moves seemed to work out ok for the team in the long run.


Bottom line for me is I’ve just learned to not get all pissy with things like this. Some in here can’t help it.
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People are pissed off because they actually want the Texans to win the Super Bowl, and Bill O’Brien doesn’t seem like the man for the job. Not to mention, he’s now traded a fan favorite and one of the best players in the NFL for an underwhelming return. It would be a surprise if people were calm.

As far as I’m concerned, if making the playoffs and potentially winning a Wild Card Game is your goal, continue to be happy with Bill O’Brien. However, for me, the Kansas City game was the final straw. Good coaches don’t allow their teams to get blitzed 51-7 after having a 24-0 lead in the first quarter. Good coaches also don’t allow said lead to evaporate by halftime, which O’Brien also did. Then, you have the fake punt, which was one of the most indefensible coaching decisions I’ve ever seen.

O’Brien is not the guy to lead the Texans to a Super Bowl, and, now, Cal McNair is letting him trade away good to great players for pennies on the dollar (Clowney and Hopkins) and acquire others at prohibitive costs (Tunsil and a large new contract for two first-round picks; Duke Johnson for a third-round pick). The Texans still don’t have a first-round pick the next two seasons, and they aren’t appreciably better talent wise. That’s a major problem in my eyes.
 
CstatTexan said:
Neither of the decisions you brought up are direct or indirect decisions of mortgaging the future for incremental progress in the present. The people that approved of Bills trades last year justified it with super bowl or bust, well the Texans busted. You can only have the mindset so many years before you really set your team back.


And the general reaction on here is consistent with the rest of the sports world.


If the reasoning for the trade is draft capital then the Tunsil trade is directly connected.

And if draft capital isn’t the reasoning, well I’m not sure there’s any other reason to make this trade. I can’t make sense of it.
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The answer is B, if draft capital was the reason then why didn’t we get any of the capital we spent on Tunsil back. Hopkins was worth a 1st, almost every team in the league could make use of a WR like him. Hell if the Pats sign him Brady might come back next year.
 
Speedy said:
And if this was a knee jerk instance then you’d have a point. Unfortunately this has become the norm since OB has taken total control, starting with the Clowney deal and the chain of events that followed, and, after today, is still going on.

You can not give away talent and get little to no value in return trade after trade after trade. You just can’t.

I don’t have a problem if the Texans decided to go another direction that didn’t include Nuk, but you ******* get something back for him!!!!

This dude has zero concept of value and the entire league is laughing their asses of because of it. That **** will catch up and this franchise will be the Browns for the next decade.
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I'm talking about the reactions around here to every move that fans don't like...knee jerk over the top reactions...which you're exhibiting right now.

It's "the worst trade of all time"...it's "terrible value"....All ridiculous hyperbole by fans. I just look at it as a production thing. & when i look at a rookie in Tennessee posting 1000 yds recieving yards & 7 TDs and another in Seattle putting up 900 & 7 having caught 1/2 the number of receptions Nuk did last year....& then i see the WR draft class this year....As much as it hurt to see Nuk go, i can see that there will be life after him.
 
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