That makes two of us.
How the Texans handled the JD Clowney affair/negotiations in Houston should be a textbook example for how to screw up FA negotiations in the NFL.
Billy could get an honorary PHD by personally conducting the lectures.
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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread
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How the Texans handled the JD Clowney affair/negotiations in Houston should be a textbook example for how to screw up FA negotiations in the NFL.
Billy could get an honorary PHD by personally conducting the lectures.
Except Billy don't give a **** about public perceptions
@djrazs: CLOWNEY WITH THE STRIP SACK AND ANSAH WITH THE RECOVERY! SEAHAWKS BALL AS WE CLOSE OUT THE 1ST HALF! #JadeveonClowney #ZiggyAnsah #GoHawks https://t.co/GmTCh5lNbJ
@krusty027: 2 guys holding Clowney, no call, he breaks free and strips Schaub... "refs won't do nuthin, I'LL DO IT MYSELF" - Clowney. More of that in the 2nd half boys! #Seahawks #SEAvsATL #GoHawks #NFL
@krusty027: 2 guys holding Clowney, no call, he breaks free and strips Schaub... "refs won't do nuthin, I'LL DO IT MYSELF" - Clowney. More of that in the 2nd half boys! #Seahawks #SEAvsATL #GoHawks #NFL
Please. Let it go.
Why? It's the nfl forum.
It was a busy day for Jadeveon Clowney, who made some really good plays, especially in the run game. But there were also some really bad plays, especially with his discipline. On some plays, Clowney looks near unstoppable with his blend of speed and power, but these plays continue to be too few and far between for a defender wanted to be viewed as one of the best in the league.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-8-pff-refocused-seattle-seahawks-27-atlanta-falcons-20
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-8-pff-refocused-seattle-seahawks-27-atlanta-falcons-20
PapaL
Loose Screw
Clowney Replacement stats; no change since previous update.
Jacob Martin: 2 tackles 0 sacks 0 forced fumbles 0 interceptions
https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3138764/jacob-martin
https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/11623/jake-martin/game-log
Barkevious Mingo: 0 tackles 0 sacks 0 forced fumbles 0 interceptions
https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/15805/barkevious-mingo
https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/11614/barkevious-mingo/game-log
2020 3rd round pick: Is happily playing NCAA football at this time.
Jacob Martin: 2 tackles 0 sacks 0 forced fumbles 0 interceptions
https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/3138764/jacob-martin
https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/11623/jake-martin/game-log
Barkevious Mingo: 0 tackles 0 sacks 0 forced fumbles 0 interceptions
https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/15805/barkevious-mingo
https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/11614/barkevious-mingo/game-log
2020 3rd round pick: Is happily playing NCAA football at this time.
Martin has done some good things. But he appears to be strictly a passing down specialist
PapaL
Loose Screw
I wonder how they're getting ranked at their position when they're not playing?
Team snap counts*:
https://subscribers.footballguys.com/teams/teampage-htx-6.php
Mingo has had 1 defenseive snap this season (week 5)*:
https://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/player-all-info.php?id=MingBa98
Martin has 74 on the season; 16 total in the last 3 games*:
Swore I saw him at least one snap yesterday
https://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/player-all-info.php?id=MartJa98
*week 8 hasn't been updated
@BradyHenderson: Jadeveon Clowney (sack, 4 hits) had a whopping 70% Pass Rush Win Rate Sunday. That ESPN metric (power by NFL Next Gen Stats) measures how often a defender beats his block in 2.5 seconds or less. Clowney was credited with 14 wins in 20 chances. He's now second in the NFL in PRWR.
Marshall threw a hissy because of a picture of a girl.
And religious folk are of course welcome here. Pretty sure the staff/mod team here have more of those folk than the non-those folk.
This just isn't the place to have one's opinions coddled.
And religious folk are of course welcome here. Pretty sure the staff/mod team here have more of those folk than the non-those folk.
This just isn't the place to have one's opinions coddled.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Dude you were one of the most negative people on here for years.
I didn't like the direction of the franchise.
However I didn't run people off.
There's a big difference
PapaL
Loose Screw
That's your perception. Facts are, you annoyed more than your fair share. Take an honest look at yourself and posts before calling anyone negative on here. You posted good content in-between your rants on the direction of the franchise. That's the only reason more of us regulars didn't block you.
I have no issues looking at myself and I talked with a regular board member about this subject and asked him if I was as bad about RS as KDog is about BOB and he told me I was close and he tried to keep me in my lane. For this I apologise.
With that said, we're talking about 2 different things when it comes to running people off.
Cak tried unsuccessfully to run me off. I guess I'm just too hard headed to let somebody bully me. I actually enjoyed messing with him once he called me a racist/liar.
ROO
Tweak the offense already!
Ugh.
I was really just trying to be funny because marshall's avatar still shows up as the creator of the thread. Didn't mean to get people arguing about off-topic stuff.
Now that Mollywhoooper mentioned it, he is right, it was a girls' butt that upset marshall. I also remember that the "Brian Hoyer Fan Club" thread he started was less-than-well-received. Of course, it has to be admitted that starting a Hoyer Fan Club thread was over the top and he deserved the ribbing he got for that one.
Good times!
I was really just trying to be funny because marshall's avatar still shows up as the creator of the thread. Didn't mean to get people arguing about off-topic stuff.
Now that Mollywhoooper mentioned it, he is right, it was a girls' butt that upset marshall. I also remember that the "Brian Hoyer Fan Club" thread he started was less-than-well-received. Of course, it has to be admitted that starting a Hoyer Fan Club thread was over the top and he deserved the ribbing he got for that one.
Good times!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
It sucks that Clowney doesn't get more sacks, but I disagree with that Twitter guy that multiple hurries and QB hits "mean little"
Also, we are paying half his salary and getting almost nothing for his replacements
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The seahawks are also paying half his salary and are getting almost nothing for him as the replacement for Frank Clark.........
The seahawks are also paying half his salary and are getting almost nothing for him as the replacement for Frank Clark.........
Well if you mean drawing double teams, playing elite running D, causing turnovers, scoring a TD, and getting multiple hurries and QB hits "nothing" then sure
Right and talk about an example of adding insult to injury.
We are going to miss JDC big-time in the balance of this season in Watts absense.
I'm perfectly comfortable in going so far as to say it may the difference between O'Brien keeping his job in Houston and moving on elsewhere. And what irony that would be.
The Twitter guy said Clowney's win rate did not translate to sacks & hits.
I agree with that part
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
That’s fine and all, I just don’t get why he’s being dogged by some here. Dude was/is a very good football player. Big sack numbers weren’t really his biggest asset, but very good nonetheless.
And it’s not like anyone on the Texans, particularly the guys we got in return for him, are doing jack in his absence. Those particular guys barely get on the field.
Mercilus certainly isn’t that sack machine and he isn’t making up for much of what you lost with JD.
I guess you’ve got to justify to yourself why it’s good he’s not here or whatever, but the dogging of the dude makes no sense.
Those pesky facts again.
I wanted them to franchise Clowney, but Mercilus has given them what Clowney did. Stat guys should go check this out. Doesn't mean Clowney isn't a good player, it means he's not worth the $$$$ he asked for and the Texans went ahead and moved Clowney rather than risk his knee going out and getting nothing in return for him.
Again this isn't how I would've handled this situation, (I would've traded him before the last draft, or before the tag deadline) but I can understand BOB's thinking.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
has less to do with justifying it being good he's not here & more to do with how some here are pulling out every obscure stat trying to overstate how good he has actually been. If he was 1/2 as impactful as they claimed, he'd have more splash plays...period.
Mercy doesn't have half the measurables of Clowney yet his production is damn near double Clowney's. Does that say Mercy is better than we & the league thinks he is....or Clowney's not as good as he's propped up to be? If his production in Seattle is any indication, its the latter.
You're absolutely right, the guys we got in return haven't been able to do alot b/c they haven't been able to get on the field. That's about to change with Watt being on IR tho. We will see then what they are capable of & if we truly got ripped off.....or if Clowney's gonna be playing on another team next year b/c yet another team feels like he ain't close to being worth what he thinks he is.
Clowney will find out what the NFL thinks of him soon enough. Rumors of him expecting Khalil Mack money will be quickly confirmed or negated once the free market gets involved.
Funny thing is neither Clowney nor the Texans have ever said anything substantial about the deal. Fans and media are left with nothing but speculation, assumptions, and unconfirmed rumors with regards to what was expected and what really went down.
Personally, I wish he was still here because this defense - especially without Watt - is suspect right now.
Funny thing is neither Clowney nor the Texans have ever said anything substantial about the deal. Fans and media are left with nothing but speculation, assumptions, and unconfirmed rumors with regards to what was expected and what really went down.
Personally, I wish he was still here because this defense - especially without Watt - is suspect right now.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
My take......it was simple to begin with b/c Mercilus was a DE converted to being an OLB. When both Watt and Clowney were on the field Mercilus was 2nd fiddle. What's the most obvious difference? When it was Clowney and Mercilus then Watt and Mercilus......we get to see the real Mercilus. A headache for defenses. Mercilus has simply been the constant when he becomes the 2. Now it will be interesting to see how he steps up becoming the #1 guy for the first time in his Texans career. Personally, I think he will show why he needs to remain with the Texans.
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PapaL
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That's easily the fewest among teams that have played nine games. The Seahawks are 27th in generating pressure on opposing quarterbacks, as no one other than Jadeveon Clowney has consistently given them much in that department. The Seahawks' remaining schedule includes two games against the division-leading 49ers and one against the Rams. The results that the Seahawks have gotten from their pass rush won't cut it against teams like that, what with good quarterbacks and great offensive minds calling plays. -- Brady Henderson
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Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Good game huh guys? Lol.
Look at the bright side. At least the Texans are getting their money's worth out of the 7 million they are paying Clowney this year.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
dream_team
Hall of Fame
My thoughts exactly. Don't understand the Clowney hate in here. The dude is playing well in Seattle and wish he was still a Texan, even if it was just for this season and he walks in FA. If you think Martin + Mingo is helping this team more than Clowney would have this season, then I question your motives in this argument.
What hate ?
I think I speak for many if not most fans here when I express how frustrated and mystified and really mad we are that the HC just frittered away the most valuable and talented defensive player on our team for a mere third round pick.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
"Hate" may be too strong of a term here, but his performance as a Texan, as well as a Seahawk, has been downplayed by some in here for some reason??? Someone on the Texans FO screwed up this situation. Maybe it's unfair to put the blame on BOB, but I just know, we'd be a better team with Clowney still on the roster.
BTW, we didn't trade for a 3rd rounder, considering we would have gotten a 3rd round compensatory pick anyways if we simply let him walk in FA. We traded Clowney for Martin & Mingo.
Unlike some I was always very skeptical that Clowneys market value was that of two first round picks but felt he should fetch a single first round pick, especailly from a team like Seattle which likeley will be drafting in the latter stages of the rounds.
So if thinkin Clowney was only worth a single frist round pick makes me a hater, then so be it.
That's what grates on us, not getting anything thing close to value for JDC. If the team insists on disposing of him, it's almost like
O'Brien wants to sabotage the Texans value/talent level.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I really don't know what we're debating? I think we're on the same side of the argument? Lol.
True, I dont think anybody hates Clowney, I was for picking him at 1-1. Hated the trade and said I would've kept him on the tag this yr instead of trading him.
With that said Mercilus/Conley > Clowney. IMHO
Clowney had a great game on national TV. Lets see how he does this week. He's been OK but not great this yr for the Seahawks until last night. Certainly not worth the Mack/Donald $$$$ he's asking for. IMHO
This is about roster building and depth more than just a good/great player in Clowney.
Exactly