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The Colts have the better coach. Dude didn't even flinch when Luck retired. He adapted and his team might win this division easily.

Let something happen to Watson and watch how the season unfolds.

Unfortunately, I figured Frank was the better coach last season but this game confirmed the worst fear.

This felt like we lost the division even with so much football left. Barring the Colts collapsing they don't have to deal with NE and Baltimore this year and I can't process any way Bill O'Brien outcoaches Jim Harbaugh and Bill Bellicheck. And Indy has 4 very winnable games 3 of which are home games before we meet again. They can easily be 8-2 by time round 2 starts. Which would be worse case scenario. With half a season to go, I'm hoping things turn our way since the Colts still have Saints and Carolina late season to deal with.
 
If the colts have the better team after all the wheeling and dealing the GM did and luck retiring, then we need a new GM. Especially since it's win now time
 
If the colts have the better team after all the wheeling and dealing the GM did and luck retiring, then we need a new GM. Especially since it's win now time

There will be a new GM (hopefully Caserio) this offseason that will have atleast 4 top 100 picks to fill the holes on this roster.
 
Caserios contract runs through the draft

I'm not worried about this after seeing the last 2 drafts. I will also bet you Caserio will be the GM before the draft. He may be doing work behind the scenes and sabotaging the Pats draft in the process if the Pats dont let him walk.

One this is for sure, the upcoming draft is a very important for the future of the Texans org. They need to hit (Like Reid) on 2-3 players.
 
It's a process that takes time. O'Brian is all in this season and if that doesn't result in playoff appearance and advancement then he has run his full course. O'Brian as head coach is average at best, after 87 games, .529% avg. (does not include loss yesterday @ Indy). Challenges only include those throwing down the red flag not ones he doesn't challenge, like yesterday, that clearly would have been overturned and helped Texans, anyway his record of challenges is a grand total of 34 into his 6th season and of those 34 only 14 overturned, 20 standing as called on the field. Clock management is difficult to statistically look at but we've all seen situations whether it be coming from behind or trying to hand onto a lead. Grade D

Play calling has been even worse in my view given expectations as some kind of offensive QB guru. Tried to run his personal model/system regardless of talent and their strengths or weaknesses. Watson is a great talent and we see he is far better running his own style and leaning on his own strengths. The abysmal results of every QB prior to simply could not overcome their lack of ability trying to fit in O'Brian's system. Grade D

Player evaluation. All over the map. Sometimes early in the draft he goes for measureables, then turns around and takes need over talent, but biggest grip is value. He has no concept of how to maximize draft leverage or make a trade without over-overpaying. Worse yet, it gets personal. Clowney, Brown, Brooks, etc. etc. He has innate ability to disrespect the player in a way that makes contract extensions and getting fair value back in return impossible. Grade D

O'Brian is a D. As in Dunce :embarrass
 

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there is a reason why you are muted by more than half of this board.
 
It's a process that takes time. O'Brian is all in this season and if that doesn't result in playoff appearance and advancement then he has run his full course. O'Brian as head coach is average at best, after 87 games, .529% avg. (does not include loss yesterday @ Indy). Challenges only include those throwing down the red flag not ones he doesn't challenge, like yesterday, that clearly would have been overturned and helped Texans, anyway his record of challenges is a grand total of 34 into his 6th season and of those 34 only 14 overturned, 20 standing as called on the field. Clock management is difficult to statistically look at but we've all seen situations whether it be coming from behind or trying to hand onto a lead. Grade D

Play calling has been even worse in my view given expectations as some kind of offensive QB guru. Tried to run his personal model/system regardless of talent and their strengths or weaknesses. Watson is a great talent and we see he is far better running his own style and leaning on his own strengths. The abysmal results of every QB prior to simply could not overcome their lack of ability trying to fit in O'Brian's system. Grade D

Player evaluation. All over the map. Sometimes early in the draft he goes for measureables, then turns around and takes need over talent, but biggest grip is value. He has no concept of how to maximize draft leverage or make a trade without over-overpaying. Worse yet, it gets personal. Clowney, Brown, Brooks, etc. etc. He has innate ability to disrespect the player in a way that makes contract extensions and getting fair value back in return impossible. Grade D

O'Brian is a D. As in Dunce :embarrass

1. TO/challenge usage = F
2. Playcalling/QB development = B, I think Watson is about where he should be as a young QB who played behind a terrible OL his 1st 2 yrs here. He will have great games against teams that cant pressure him. ATL/K.C. aand bad games where he's got guys open and misses seeing them or has some accuracy issues. These games come against good defenses. Carolina/Indy. How much Watson not seeing open receivers like he did again yesterday is open for debate as to whether that's on BOB or Watson. But for this team to go where it wants to go Watson has to show a marked improvement. (This isn't the yr for that) I do blame BOB for not changing the offense sooner even if it does increase Watson's chance of injury. You cant coach scared.

3. Draft/FA- A- This is the most talented team since 2011, they right now are just unlucky that injuries hit the weakest area on the team. (Secondary)
 
It's a process that takes time. O'Brian is all in this season and if that doesn't result in playoff appearance and advancement then he has run his full course. O'Brian as head coach is average at best, after 87 games, .529% avg. (does not include loss yesterday @ Indy). Challenges only include those throwing down the red flag not ones he doesn't challenge, like yesterday, that clearly would have been overturned and helped Texans, anyway his record of challenges is a grand total of 34 into his 6th season and of those 34 only 14 overturned, 20 standing as called on the field. Clock management is difficult to statistically look at but we've all seen situations whether it be coming from behind or trying to hand onto a lead. Grade D

Play calling has been even worse in my view given expectations as some kind of offensive QB guru. Tried to run his personal model/system regardless of talent and their strengths or weaknesses. Watson is a great talent and we see he is far better running his own style and leaning on his own strengths. The abysmal results of every QB prior to simply could not overcome their lack of ability trying to fit in O'Brian's system. Grade D

Player evaluation. All over the map. Sometimes early in the draft he goes for measureables, then turns around and takes need over talent, but biggest grip is value. He has no concept of how to maximize draft leverage or make a trade without over-overpaying. Worse yet, it gets personal. Clowney, Brown, Brooks, etc. etc. He has innate ability to disrespect the player in a way that makes contract extensions and getting fair value back in return impossible. Grade D

O'Brian is a D. As in Dunce :embarrass

1. TO/challenge usage = F and BOB doesn't seem to be learning from his mistakes.
2. Playcalling/QB development = B, I think Watson is about where he should be as a young QB who played behind a terrible OL his 1st 2 yrs here. He will have great games against teams that cant pressure him. ATL/K.C. aand bad games where he's got guys open and misses seeing them or has some accuracy issues. These games come against good defenses. Carolina/Indy. How much Watson not seeing open receivers like he did again yesterday is open for debate as to whether that's on BOB or Watson. But for this team to go where it wants to go Watson has to show a marked improvement. (This isn't the yr for that) I do blame BOB for not changing the offense sooner even if it does increase Watson's chance of injury. You cant coach scared.

3. Draft/FA- A- This is the most talented team since 2011, they right now are just unlucky that injuries hit the weakest area on the team. (Secondary)
 
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I'm having a really hard time getting with this team. On the one hand, I watch every game with the mindset that we have a chance as long as Watson is out there. On the other hand, I watch every game knowing that we have no long term chance as long as O'Brien is out there. Whatever Watson can do doesn't seem to be enough to overcome O'Brien's strategy, scheme, personnel selection, operating philosophy or just general results. It's especially hard when you see the Astros implement a plan, rebuild from zero, and show us what a properly run organization looks like.
 
I'm having a really hard time getting with this team. On the one hand, I watch every game with the mindset that we have a chance as long as Watson is out there. On the other hand, I watch every game knowing that we have no long term chance as long as O'Brien is out there. Whatever Watson can do doesn't seem to be enough to overcome O'Brien's strategy, scheme, personnel selection, operating philosophy or just general results. It's especially hard when you see the Astros implement a plan, rebuild from zero, and show us what a properly run organization looks like.
Even the Rockets give me more hope than the Texans. It’s unfortunate the Rockets keep running into the juggernaut that is GS but the Texans can’t even get out of the first round. I would be more sympathetic if OB kept losing close games to the Patriots in the AFCCG, but in reality he can’t even manage timeouts efficiently. I’m basically done with his “rebuild”.
 
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there is a reason why you are muted by more than half of this board.

How was that insulting, a bit sensitive his morning because I disagree with you on your pet cat (Clowney)

As if I care what you or other people think. I've made friends personally with many on this MB long before you even joined this MB. so if some dont like my thoughts so be it. I really appreciate the people on here that I converse with (Including you) whether some on here dont like my posts. (I think you have no idea how many like my posts vs dont and you pulled >50% out of your but, just like many of the other thing you post) and will continue to posts things that I believe in and hope you continue to do the same.

Look at yesterday as an example, the great run defender Clowney didn't even begin to help slow down the Ravens on the ground.

BTW, Clowney doesn't play here anymore, let it go.
 
Even the Rockets give me more hope than the Texans. It’s unfortunate the Rockets keep running into the juggernaut that is GS but the Texans can’t even get out of the first round. I would be more sympathetic if OB kept losing close games to the Patriots in the AFCCG, but in reality he can’t even manage timeouts efficiently. I’m basically done with his “rebuild”.


The Rockets brass are just as stubborn. I mean that ISO crap and all out threes is the dumbest offensive philosophy imo. But hey I love watching both teams.
 
If the colts have the better team after all the wheeling and dealing the GM did and luck retiring, then we need a new GM. Especially since it's win now time

I'm trying to be even headed about this game, this team. I don't want to defend O'Brien.

However, this team was cobbled together 12 days before the season started & he's still trying to line them up right, despite injuries.

I'm not saying he's doing a good job. I'm saying the Colts has been together going on three years & that includes Brissett.
 
I'm trying to be even headed about this game, this team. I don't want to defend O'Brien.

However, this team was cobbled together 12 days before the season started & he's still trying to line them up right, despite injuries.

I'm not saying he's doing a good job. I'm saying the Colts has been together going on three years & that includes Brissett.


This organization is dysfunctional. They waited too late to make moves and got rid of their GM . They came into this season with this half ash plan and hoped things would fare well.

It was just a matter of time on when the injury bug would strike.
 
This organization is dysfunctional. They waited too late to make moves and got rid of their GM . They came into this season with this half ash plan and hoped things would fare well.

It was just a matter of time on when the injury bug would strike.

They did wait late but there is one factor that we have all seem to have forgotten in this. Bob McNair died over the off season. Cal had been working in the org but there is a big difference between being the first officer and being the captain. I think we might be underestimating how much of a wrench that would have thrown into things. I know if I was Cal I'd have a hard time focusing when I'm going into the place I use to see my dad everyday and trying to forge ahead with what was his dream.
 
I'm trying to be even headed about this game, this team. I don't want to defend O'Brien.

However, this team was cobbled together 12 days before the season started & he's still trying to line them up right, despite injuries.

I'm not saying he's doing a good job. I'm saying the Colts has been together going on three years & that includes Brissett.

It's year 6. If he's still cobbling things together then he doesn't know what he's doing
 
The Rockets brass are just as stubborn. I mean that ISO crap and all out threes is the dumbest offensive philosophy imo. But hey I love watching both teams.

Do you? I find it incredibly boring. Made me stop watching the sport. If the college game had players that just lasted longer in the NCAA, I'd watch the hell out of it, because I still Loe the college game. Old school basketball.
 
I'm having a really hard time getting with this team. On the one hand, I watch every game with the mindset that we have a chance as long as Watson is out there. On the other hand, I watch every game knowing that we have no long term chance as long as O'Brien is out there. Whatever Watson can do doesn't seem to be enough to overcome O'Brien's strategy, scheme, personnel selection, operating philosophy or just general results. It's especially hard when you see the Astros implement a plan, rebuild from zero, and show us what a properly run organization looks like.

Spot on. The Texans will never amount to anything as long as OB is in charge.
 
At some point the QB has to take responsibility for his mistakes.

That will never be the case for all of the Jesusincleats apologists around here.

Watson's a young inconsistent QB who had a bad game today and that had nothing to do with coaching.

In the fourth quarter they were in a position to win the game several times. The defense made several critical stops to get the ball back. Two drives they were moving the ball well until Watson threw an interception. First was a bad decision. Second was just plain bad luck. Hit the receiver in the hands who bobbled it and the defensive back made a miraculous interception. The defense and coaching staff did enough to win the game. Watson did not - take out the bad call by the zebra that cost the touchdown and he probably gets the win.

One detail that seems to be ignored is that the Colt are a very good team. To lose to them on their turf is not a disgrace. This season is not over and this team has a lot of new pieces that are still learning how to play together. There is still a good chance they could peak heading into the playoffs. That is if enough of them can stay on the field. I remember watching football in my younger years when they didn't have all these protect the player rules and it didn't seem like we had the barrage of injuries this team has every year. It is very disheartening to see so many players with significant injuries with still a half season to go. Same script every year it seems.
 
At some point the QB has to take responsibility for his mistakes.

That will never be the case for all of the Jesusincleats apologists around here.

Watson's a young inconsistent QB who had a bad game today and that had nothing to do with coaching.

In the fourth quarter they were in a position to win the game several times. The defense made several critical stops to get the ball back. Two drives they were moving the ball well until Watson threw an interception. First was a bad decision. Second was just plain bad luck. Hit the receiver in the hands who bobbled it and the defensive back made a miraculous interception. The defense and coaching staff did enough to win the game. Watson did not - take out the bad call by the zebra that cost the touchdown and he probably gets the win.

One detail that seems to be ignored is that the Colt are a very good team. To lose to them on their turf is not a disgrace. This season is not over and this team has a lot of new pieces that are still learning how to play together. There is still a good chance they could peak heading into the playoffs. That is if enough of them can stay on the field. I remember watching football in my younger years when they didn't have all these protect the player rules and it didn't seem like we had the barrage of injuries this team has every year. It is very disheartening to see so many players with significant injuries with still a half season to go. Same script every year it seems
Calling run plays on both drives in the last 3:30 seconds of the game is bad coaching.

When Watson has a losing season, you can make the argument about being inconsistent but that hasn’t happened yet.

Watson’s saving Ob job just like Brady at one point. As far as Ob, his team never starts off hot. These guys seem to not play with a sense of urgency until the 2nd half.

I didn’t put half the blame on him today but his conservative play calling didn’t help Deshaun at all. You have a qb that’s a winner. You don’t take the ball out his hands. He has a problem with that.

Calling runs plays keeps the defense honest and late in the game you can sometimes pickup good yardage because the defense is focused on shutting down the pass. With 3:30 you still have plenty of time and we still had time outs. The clock wasn't what beat us, and if we had trotted down the field and left time on the clock everyone would be complaining that OB left too much time on the clock. At this point, it doesn't matter what OB does, most posters on this boards are going to complain about it. Two drives at the end of the game that could have won it died because of interceptions and one was an extremely ill advised throw by Watson. Regardless of who you want to blame for the loss, in my opinion most the credit should go to the Colts who played a very good game. Props to them, they deserve the win.
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Bill O’Brien has 11 years coaching experience in the NFL. Watson is in his 3rd season as a pro. Based on the evidence as seen on the field, I strongly believe Watson is further along on his progression as an NFL QB as BoB is on his OC and HC gigs. If that statement makes me a Watson apologist, then so be it. Or better yet, change my mind.
 
Bill O’Brien has 11 years coaching experience in the NFL. Watson is in his 3rd season as a pro. Based on the evidence as seen on the field, I strongly believe Watson is further along on his progression as an NFL QB as BoB is on his OC and HC gigs. If that statement makes me a Watson apologist, then so be it. Or better yet, change my mind.

Watson definitely deserves the leeway given year 1 he had a great rookie breakout cut short by injury
Last season had the worst O-line in the league by a country mile and still won us 11 games
Shows improvement in many areas that I feel many of us feel like he will work out the cons to his game
Does things few QBs and no Texans QB has ever done before

Bill O'Brien was OC during the time Patriots lost to the Giants 2x and lost to the Jets 2x in back-to-back playoffs. Then he doesn't do anything in college either. And he's the supposed QB guru but no one names anyone he's ever made better. That's why after 6 years he's on a short leash with me. The only thing that will make me budge is making the AFC Championship game at minimum. Otherwise, I don't care about division wins or winning records or any of that crap anymore. It's to be expected the bare minimum does nothing for me. It's taking this team to levels we've never seen before that I need to see out of him now.
 
Bill O’Brien has 11 years coaching experience in the NFL. Watson is in his 3rd season as a pro. Based on the evidence as seen on the field, I strongly believe Watson is further along on his progression as an NFL QB as BoB is on his OC and HC gigs. If that statement makes me a Watson apologist, then so be it. Or better yet, change my mind.

You must not have seen Watson not seeing wide open receivers and throwing into yesterday. At this point what would it take to get you to change your mind?
 
This organization is dysfunctional. They waited too late to make moves and got rid of their GM . They came into this season with this half ash plan and hoped things would fare well.

It was just a matter of time on when the injury bug would strike.

Yet they are 4-3 one game out of 1st place and just lost a game because of the refs/Watson's bad day and a banged up secondary.
 
Watson definitely deserves the leeway given year 1 he had a great rookie breakout cut short by injury
Last season had the worst O-line in the league by a country mile and still won us 11 games
Shows improvement in many areas that I feel many of us feel like he will work out the cons to his game
Does things few QBs and no Texans QB has ever done before

Bill O'Brien was OC during the time Patriots lost to the Giants 2x and lost to the Jets 2x in back-to-back playoffs. Then he doesn't do anything in college either. And he's the supposed QB guru but no one names anyone he's ever made better. That's why after 6 years he's on a short leash with me. The only thing that will make me budge is making the AFC Championship game at minimum. Otherwise, I don't care about division wins or winning records or any of that crap anymore. It's to be expected the bare minimum does nothing for me. It's taking this team to levels we've never seen before that I need to see out of him now.

While your facts are right you are lacking context. No one, not even Pats fans, were blaming BoB for those loses. I don’t have the time or really the desire to break down those games but there was a lot more factors than play calling. As far as college he had winning seasons and that’s all they were ALLOWED to have. Penn state was barred from even competing in the post season so they could have gone undefeated and still not get to do anything. Plus they lost a crap ton of scholarships and with that players.

As far as the QB guru part I thought that to but I’ve never actually been able to trace where that came from other than people tacked it on because he worked with Brady. In all fairness BoB himself has never said or implied it.

This is his do or die season with me to but let’s keep his history straight. Plenty of stuff in the present day with can knock him for.
 
It's year 6. If he's still cobbling things together then he doesn't know what he's doing

No argument from me there.

Let's not move the goal post. Expecting this team to be as together as the Colts team at this point & time is unrealistic. Our starting LT, Our starting RB, our backup RB, our now #2 receiver, none of them were on this team 2 weeks before the season.

Doesn't matter whose fault it is. I think we're on the same page there.
 
Yes and because of it we got the ball back with much better field position instead of being pinned at our own goal line or letting the Colt get in field goal position and putting the game out reach.

That wasn't the point in question. The safety was the correct call there. Calling a timeout before taking the safety was stupid. Just take your delay of game and then take a safety. And better yet, don't snap it to your punter so they can run more time off the clock; snap it out of the back of the end zone. Yet even MORE time wasted. It's not that the safety was a bad call, it's the asinine way in which he handled it. Like a few weeks ago calling a timeout before he challenged so he could lose two timeouts on one challenge. No one really bitches about that challenge. It's the asinine way in which he handled it.
 
Yes and because of it we got the ball back with much better field position instead of being pinned at our own goal line or letting the Colt get in field goal position and putting the game out reach.

didn’t need to waste a timeout to do all that. There isn’t a signal that the punter looks for in a situation just like this? It isn’t the first time a team has been pinned deep and needing to punt right? Nowhere along the line were contingency plans discussed to avoid wasting timeouts? If not (obviously not IMO) then it’s just negligence. Could’ve used that timeout.
 
I'm trying to be even headed about this game, this team. I don't want to defend O'Brien.

However, this team was cobbled together 12 days before the season started & he's still trying to line them up right, despite injuries.

I'm not saying he's doing a good job. I'm saying the Colts has been together going on three years & that includes Brissett.

I’m saying O’Brian’s had six years, compared to three for Ballard (Colts GM) two for Frank Reich. Now O’Brian is all in, trading away future picks, last stand, trying to save his season and gig :kubepalm:
 
You must not have seen Watson not seeing wide open receivers and throwing into yesterday. At this point what would it take to get you to change your mind?
To change my mind that O’Brien needs to be ahead of Watson in their progression? For O’Brien to at least catch up to Watson. I need to see O’Brien go a few games in a row without making the same boneheaded clock management mistakes that he made 6 years ago. I need to see his team look like they’re prepared for situational football, like a taking a safety. Anger took that safety like the Texans had the lead. Really simple things that they botch routinely, like ineligible man down field.

Watson has made his fair share of mistakes. I’ve never said he hasn’t. I’ve never said he’s perfect. O’Brien is the HC, the OC, and the GM. Each of those jobs carry responsibilities. And his team suffers when he doesn’t designate the appropriate amount of time carrying them out accordingly. It shows. I feel like just being HC and OC is too much for him.

Anyway, you failed in changing my mind. And I feel like you relish every mistake Watson makes. I assure you, the Texans would not be 4-3 right now w/o Watson. They would not have made the playoffs last year w/o Watson. That doesn’t mean he’s perfect but he’s the best QB this team has ever had. That should be worth something to we fans.
 
To change my mind that O’Brien needs to be ahead of Watson in their progression? For O’Brien to at least catch up to Watson. I need to see O’Brien go a few games in a row without making the same boneheaded clock management mistakes that he made 6 years ago. I need to see his team look like they’re prepared for situational football, like a taking a safety. Anger took that safety like the Texans had the lead. Really simple things that they botch routinely, like ineligible man down field.

Watson has made his fair share of mistakes. I’ve never said he hasn’t. I’ve never said he’s perfect. O’Brien is the HC, the OC, and the GM. Each of those jobs carry responsibilities. And his team suffers when he doesn’t designate the appropriate amount of time carrying them out accordingly. It shows. I feel like just being HC and OC is too much for him.

Anyway, you failed in changing my mind. And I feel like you relish every mistake Watson makes. I assure you, the Texans would not be 4-3 right now w/o Watson. They would not have made the playoffs last year w/o Watson. That doesn’t mean he’s perfect but he’s the best QB this team has ever had. That should be worth something to we fans.

I didn't try to change your mind, I did want to know your thoughts and I happen to agree with you on much of what's in the 1st paragraph.

As far as Watson goes I want him to succeed, I just dont think that the Jesusincleats crowd that have set things up to where when Watson does something right he gets all of the credit and when Watson does something wrong it's BOB's fault.

I also dont think that pointing out some of Watson's faults is relishing in his failure, but even though others seem to do the same thing you seem fixated (Wrongly) on my analysis of what Watson is doing wrong (Like most young QB's) and the areas he needs to improve on. Like finding open receivers stepping up into the pocket and delivering an accurate throw instead of needlessly scrambling around taking sacks. I'm critical of BOB for not realizing Watson's strengths and weaknesses and tailoring the offense to Watson's strengths instead of trying to get him to learn the offense BOB wants to run. You have to do what's best for the team to win, injury risks be damned.

Watson is by far the best of a terrible run of QB's since this teams inception and to think Rodgers could've been the Texans QB if not for the McNair's love of Carr. Part of ending a relationship is knowing when to move on.
 
Bill O’Brien deciding to take a safety with 2:40 on 4th-and-9 to go from his own five-yard line.
Down 28-23 with 2:44 remaining in the fourth quarter, Bill O’Brien, facing 4th-and-9 from his own five-yard line and possessing two timeouts, had punter Brian Anger take a safety, moving the score to 30-23 with 2:41 left in the game. The Texans had to give the ball back to the Colts via a free kick at their own 20-yard line and thus gained approximately 30 yards in field position (assuming a 45-yard net punt) in exchange for the two points.

While the Texans eventually got the ball back at their own 36-yard line with no timeouts and 1:41 remaining, the decision was not the mathematically sound one, as they dropped from an 8.9% chance to win with a punt to a 3.5% chance to win with taking the safety.

The real question should be whether the Texans should have even surrendered the ball in the first place. We gave them a 24.6 percent chance of converting the fourth down against the Colts’ defense and hence a higher chance of winning (18.9%) by simply putting the ball in Deshaun Watson’s hands one more time with the added two timeouts and about a minute of playing time.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-7-decisions-that-changed-the-game
 
didn’t need to waste a timeout to do all that. There isn’t a signal that the punter looks for in a situation just like this? It isn’t the first time a team has been pinned deep and needing to punt right? Nowhere along the line were contingency plans discussed to avoid wasting timeouts? If not (obviously not IMO) then it’s just negligence. Could’ve used that timeout.
It is a very rare situation and they were late to recognize it which forced Bill O'Brien to call the time out to prevent the punter from punting it away. I would argue the time out call was correct in that situation, but concede they had to waste the timeout because they had not prepared for such a situation and were caught by surprise. The flip side of that it is an extremely rare situation, one you do not see often, and one I personally have never seen before in my years of playing/watching football.
 
It is a very rare situation and they were late to recognize it which forced Bill O'Brien to call the time out to prevent the punter from punting it away. I would argue the time out call was correct in that situation, but concede they had to waste the timeout because they had not prepared for such a situation and were caught by surprise. The flip side of that it is an extremely rare situation, one you do not see often, and one I personally have never seen before in my years of playing/watching football.

I respect your opinion. I have seen a bunch of football too. I have seen punters get pinned back many, many times. Its strange to think that this coaching staff hasnt gone over that precise situation at least once in 6 years? I understand there have been different special teams coaches sacrificed along the way, but in all reality that is on O'Brien - he is in charge of everything. The possibility of taking a safety should have begun as soon as the 3rd down play was called IMO.

And I'm in the camp where you let Anger punt it away. He should be able to get that ball past the 50 the way he's been kicking and with any luck you get a favorable bounce and flip the field without wasting a timeout. Its all similar to the way Vrable faked a punt on this very staff. Just doesnt seem to have all the "i's" dotted and "t's" crossed when it comes to situational football.

I appreciate your optimism and patience in discussion.
 
I respect your opinion. I have seen a bunch of football too. I have seen punters get pinned back many, many times. Its strange to think that this coaching staff hasnt gone over that precise situation at least once in 6 years? I understand there have been different special teams coaches sacrificed along the way, but in all reality that is on O'Brien - he is in charge of everything. The possibility of taking a safety should have begun as soon as the 3rd down play was called IMO.

And I'm in the camp where you let Anger punt it away. He should be able to get that ball past the 50 the way he's been kicking and with any luck you get a favorable bounce and flip the field without wasting a timeout. Its all similar to the way Vrable faked a punt on this very staff. Just doesnt seem to have all the "i's" dotted and "t's" crossed when it comes to situational football.

I appreciate your optimism and patience in discussion.
I understand your point and I couldn't believe the call at the time it was made. I also believe the chance the Colts get a field goal after the punt was highly likely and would have put the game out of reach. After the move, the Texans got the ball back in a position to tie the game and go to overtime. They were moving the ball until the freek interception. Ideally, they should have made the call without having to burn a time out. That mistake didn't cost them the game. It is such an unusual situation, I am willing to cut them some slack. I can understand you have run out of patience and are not so generous in your evaluation.
 
Tweet from @DraftNetworkLLC: The Texans are running low on early draft picks over the next two drafts.

As @GrindingTheTape writes, Houston’s next GM will have to improve the roster with an anti-NFL Draft mentality.

#WeAreTexans

https://thedraftnetwork.com/article...hy-poses-unique-challenges-for-next-texans-gm

It's reasonable to consider that signing Watson, Tunsil, Mercilus, Cunningham and Fuller could cost the Texans around an average of $70-75M against the cap, leaving Houston with around $15-20M at their disposal to cover resigning all other talents across their roster, building up weak areas on the roster and trying to target the right pieces to add to the puzzle and win a Super Bowl.

Oh, right. And newly acquired Gareon Conley is on the rookie pay scale and is due for a 5th-year club option in 2021, which figures to be right around $10M in guaranteed salary for the 2021 NFL season, too.
 
Tweet from @DraftNetworkLLC: The Texans are running low on early draft picks over the next two drafts.

As @GrindingTheTape writes, Houston’s next GM will have to improve the roster with an anti-NFL Draft mentality.

#WeAreTexans

https://thedraftnetwork.com/article...hy-poses-unique-challenges-for-next-texans-gm

It's reasonable to consider that signing Watson, Tunsil, Mercilus, Cunningham and Fuller could cost the Texans around an average of $70-75M against the cap, leaving Houston with around $15-20M at their disposal to cover resigning all other talents across their roster, building up weak areas on the roster and trying to target the right pieces to add to the puzzle and win a Super Bowl.

Oh, right. And newly acquired Gareon Conley is on the rookie pay scale and is due for a 5th-year club option in 2021, which figures to be right around $10M in guaranteed salary for the 2021 NFL season, too.

Lucky for Bob the Builder he has about 90Ms in cap space next year. For a team that is in "win now" mode they dont seem to be making moves for players that would catapult them there, and then worry about the finances later. Im looking dead at Melvin Gordon and either Chris Harris or Patrick Peterson - instead we get spoon fed more of the same from this brass and promises of player development once they get here and work with the Gurus of the NFL since they players are awesome, its just the former team didnt know how to use them!!

Play hardball like you did with Clowney. String along DEshuan. String along Tunsil. Mercilus can walk. Fuller can walk. Cunningham wont break the bank.

I mean what does "Win Now" mean to everyone? Is it only a phrase used by the team when they make a questionable move and they have to justify it?? Hmmmm.
 
For a team that is in "win now" mode they dont seem to be making moves for players that would catapult them there, and then worry about the finances later. Im looking dead at Melvin Gordon and either Chris Harris or Patrick Peterson

If we had a 1st to give, Chris Harris would be a Texans.
 
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