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CB Ramsey is asking for a trade

maverick512000 said:
Even from a cold blooded business deal it doesn't make sense. Texans have no issues selling tickets so winning a SB might mean they can hike the price up a bit but they do that anyway. Watt on the other hand is a walking, talking PR dream. All those commercials and everything else they get a cut of because he wears the Texans jersey. Likewise all the community stuff he does is great for the team image. Plus how many people buy tickets and come to see the Texans just for Watt? Even with Watson and Hopkins Watt is still the face of the team and the person even non-football fans know. We on this board tend to look at everything through the football and winning lens but I promise you the Texans F/O doesn't. Maybe they should but honestly I'd rather have Watt there raising 10s of thousands of dollars helping hurricane recovery than I would some shiny trophy that I'll never get to see or touch anyway.
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Honestly that’s how I feel. Some things are more important than just winning at all cost.
 
srrono said:
There is always a way to get it done it's just if the Texans are willing to do it.

Texans
1st 2020 gone 2nd 2020 gone
1st 2021 gone

Could give
3rd 2020 Seattle
2nd 2021
1st 2022

The extra 3rd is for the wait.

High price yes but just like Tunsil how often does proven young talent like Ramsey become attainable?
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Jacksonville, or any team for that matter, would want an instant return for a guy like Ramsey.

And we ain't got anything resembling any instant returns for a while.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Jacksonville, or any team for that matter, would want an instant return for a guy like Ramsey.

And we ain't got anything resembling any instant returns for a while.
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I know just spit balling ideas.
Ramsey could pull the I will not resign unless it's a hand picked team.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Jacksonville, or any team for that matter, would want an instant return for a guy like Ramsey.

And we ain't got anything resembling any instant returns for a while.
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Exactly. And they're hardly going to be bending over backwards to trade him to a division rival. I imagine they'd only trade with us if we made a significantly better offer than a random out-of-conference team.

Fun to speculate, but a Texans trade for Ramsey can be summarized by two words: not happening.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
I want no part in a player who wants to be traded due to their head coach not calling for a challenge when he thinks he should. That particular play did not determine the outcome of the game. I know he is talented but if he is upset over something so trivial, how long before he is dissatisfied with any other coach or even teammate? There are times when asking for a trade could be understood but under these circumstances it is ridiculous.
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To be fair, there is more between Ramsey and Marrone than HC not challenging the apparent drop by Hopkins. Marrone came into this season on hot seat. I think the player thought it was more than trivial & his being trusted by coach on what happened on the play was what ignited him. I'm not saying he should have erupted as he did. I want Ramsey's competitiveness.
 
All-Pro cornerback Jalen Ramsey reported to the Jacksonville Jaguars facility Tuesday, telling the media his focus is on preparing for the Tennessee Titans on Thursday night, but that doesn't mean other teams aren't trying to grant his reported wish to play elsewhere.

A day after the two-time Pro Bowler reportedly requested a trade following an in-game spat with Jags coach Doug Marrone, Ramsey has been the subject of talks between Jacksonville and teams interested in landing the corner. That's according to ESPN's Dianna Russini, who said Tuesday that at least two clubs have already offered first-round draft picks to the Jaguars for Ramsey.

A previous ESPN report indicated Jacksonville was seeking "at least one" first-rounder in exchange for Ramsey, the team's fifth overall pick back in 2016. Since then, per Russini, one NFC team has offered a 2020 first and 2021 fifth-rounder for the star defensive back, while one AFC team has offered a 2020 first along with a player.

Ramsey assured reporters Tuesday that neither he nor his agent leaked information about his apparent trade request but was noncommittal about his future, saying he's a member of the Jaguars "right now." This, of course, isn't the first time the former Florida State standout has publicly toyed with leaving the Jags. In November 2018, he tweeted that fans would only miss him once he's gone, and before this season, he mused about playing in other cities. CBS Sports NFL insider Jason La Canfora noted Monday that executives around the league had been anticipating a possible trade even before Ramsey's dispute with Marrone, citing tension between the cornerback and Jacksonville's rebuild and the unlikelihood of Ramsey signing a long-term contract with the team.
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badboy said:
I want Ramsey's competitiveness.
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Competitiveness? Is that what we're calling it? Ramsey is a great talent. But, Ramsey puts himself over the team. Rather than pouting about the HC not doing as you say, how about taking responsibility for dropping that pick 6? If anything, that cost the Jags the game.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
I want no part in a player who wants to be traded due to their head coach not calling for a challenge when he thinks he should. That particular play did not determine the outcome of the game. I know he is talented but if he is upset over something so trivial, how long before he is dissatisfied with any other coach or even teammate? There are times when asking for a trade could be understood but under these circumstances it is ridiculous.
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I think it's more than just that play.
2019 0-2
2018 5-11
2017 10-6
2016 3-13
2015 5-12
2014 3-13
2013 4-12
2012 2-14
2011 5-11
Do you see a common theme here?
Jags are ran so bad it makes our Organization look desirable.
 
This really ticks me off that guys like Ramsey can just get upset in the beginning of the season and just demand a trade like that where he can end up on a top team that is already a contender. He shouldn't be able to do that for at least a certain amount of weeks and the fact that these teams continually keep sending guys like this to good teams instead of bad situations is what makes it worse. The league needs to take a serious look at so many issues like this once the new CBA negotiations start. There are so many things that need to be adjusted on both sides that I just don't see it happening. I think they'll have 3 quarters of a season or just half a season that year.
 
Texecutioner said:
This really ticks me off that guys like Ramsey can just get upset in the beginning of the season and just demand a trade like that where he can end up on a top team that is already a contender. He shouldn't be able to do that for at least a certain amount of weeks and the fact that these teams continually keep sending guys like this to good teams instead of bad situations is what makes it worse. The league needs to take a serious look at so many issues like this once the new CBA negotiations start. There are so many things that need to be adjusted on both sides that I just don't see it happening. I think they'll have 3 quarters of a season or just half a season that year.
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Honest question, should teams be able to just up and trade players whenever they feel it can benefit them?
 
srrono said:
I think it's more than just that play.
2019 0-2
2018 5-11
2017 10-6
2016 3-13
2015 5-12
2014 3-13
2013 4-12
2012 2-14
2011 5-11
Do you see a common theme here?
Jags are ran so bad it makes our Organization look desirable.
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Another thought I just had yes these guys are paid a lot of money to play a game and it shouldn't matter win or lose. The thing is can we really get upset with them for wanting to win. It's like we kill these guys both ways. They go out there just for the check with no emotional connection we kill for lack of heart. They ask for a trade because they want a chance to win, we dog them for lack of loyalty. These guys can't win. Well at least they get paid right.
 
srrono said:
I think it's more than just that play.
2019 0-2
2018 5-11
2017 10-6
2016 3-13
2015 5-12
2014 3-13
2013 4-12
2012 2-14
2011 5-11
Do you see a common theme here?
Jags are ran so bad it makes our Organization look desirable.
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Yet it has frequently been posted here for the last two years that the Jags are a model franchise who have built everything the right way, and that the Texans should emulate them.
 
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srrono said:
I think it's more than just that play.
2019 0-2
2018 5-11
2017 10-6
2016 3-13
2015 5-12
2014 3-13
2013 4-12
2012 2-14
2011 5-11
Do you see a common theme here?
Jags are ran so bad it makes our Organization look desirable.
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You make a valid reason for a player to want to be traded. However I have not heard this argument from the media in regards to Ramsey. The argument I heard was petty and immature.
 
Obvious great CB, but disingenuous to demand a trade and then turn around and act like a "team first player".
 
srrono said:
Another thought I just had yes these guys are paid a lot of money to play a game and it shouldn't matter win or lose. The thing is can we really get upset with them for wanting to win. It's like we kill these guys both ways. They go out there just for the check with no emotional connection we kill for lack of heart. They ask for a trade because they want a chance to win, we dog them for lack of loyalty. These guys can't win. Well at least they get paid right.
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Ramsey is a distraction at times and causes problems on his own.

He is a great player and still worth it, but lets stop acting like he is some Saint.

The Jags stink as an organization, but he isn't doing a whole lot to change that at this point. He does a lot more for himself than he seems to want to do for his team.

A guy like Gilmore for the Pats does everything asked and isn't a loudmouth.
 
Texecutioner said:
Ramsey is a distraction at times and causes problems on his own.

He is a great player and still worth it, but lets stop acting like he is some Saint.

The Jags stink as an organization, but he isn't doing a whole lot to change that at this point. He does a lot more for himself than he seems to want to do for his team.

A guy like Gilmore for the Pats does everything asked and isn't a loudmouth.
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Agreed

With that said, I would love to have Ramsey on the Texans.
 
Texecutioner said:
This really ticks me off that guys like Ramsey can just get upset in the beginning of the season and just demand a trade like that where he can end up on a top team that is already a contender. He shouldn't be able to do that for at least a certain amount of weeks and the fact that these teams continually keep sending guys like this to good teams instead of bad situations is what makes it worse. The league needs to take a serious look at so many issues like this once the new CBA negotiations start. There are so many things that need to be adjusted on both sides that I just don't see it happening. I think they'll have 3 quarters of a season or just half a season that year.
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1. Le'Veon Bell to Jets?
2. Antonio Brown to Raiders?
 
NFL has supposedly answered some team(s) question "if Ramsey plays tonight vs Titans can he then play this Sunday if traded?" Answer is no but I thought that would be obvious. Cannot find the source link on my cell but it also noted why would Jags play him and possibly risk injury and nix a deal?
 
Mollywhopper said:
True..

And Trent Williams and Melvin Gordon would tell you that it doesn't always work out so well either..
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I have a better one for you. How about Vincent Jackson for the Chargers? Remember him? He held out one year and SD rode it out and never paid him. It was a bad decision on their part, because he deserved the money and looked like he'd have more good years left. He returned in like week 12 or 13 and played pretty well. Next year he ended up with a deal to play in Tampa. Gordon should have known about that before testing SD. They're shown they'll ride it out.
 
Double Barrel said:
I'm just glad he's probably going to be shipped out of our division, even though Nuk usually got the better of him.
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I disagree. If he ends up on a contender he becomes a much bigger problem. Him on the Jags isn't nearly the problem, because they can't ever sustain a great team. If the Texans ever do become a contender, and he's on another team like the Chiefs or the Eagles where they'd play them in the post season or the SB perhaps he could be a huge problem there and a much worse one. Him being one of the few good players on the Jags is annoying, but not that big of a problem.
 
Texecutioner said:
I disagree. If he ends up on a contender he becomes a much bigger problem. Him on the Jags isn't nearly the problem, because they can't ever sustain a great team. If the Texans ever do become a contender, and he's on another team like the Chiefs or the Eagles where they'd play them in the post season or the SB perhaps he could be a huge problem there and a much worse one. Him being one of the few good players on the Jags is annoying, but not that big of a problem.
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I get it, but the Texans have never been able to sustain a great team, either. The Jags were in the AFC championship game just two seasons ago, which is farther than the Texans have ever been. Heck, they were only stopped by the limits of their crappy QB.

I guess I'm conditioned as a Texans fan to want a weak division, because that's the only success this franchise has ever experienced. It's a sad truth, but a truth just the same.

I'd like to be concerned about contenders, but I have yet to see the Texans ever be one of them and will just wait and see until it happens.

Until then, weaken ALL of our division opponents with the 'hopes' that they can get an Eli-Manning-lightning-in-a-bottle chance once in the playoffs. At this point, it's the only hope that I can reasonably entertain.
 
Texecutioner said:
*AB was released by the Raiders. He was free to sign with anyone.

*Bell was traded in the off season after a year of holding out.

Neither of these was anywhere near the same.
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Au contraire mon frere! Your comment was about active players forcing their team to trade them only to great team as I read it.
 
Well it should be done.

They drafted him top 5 to be the best cb in the league, and he's perennially in the discussion for best cb in the league.

What else could they have been anticipating then?
 
Mollywhopper said:
Well it should be done.

They drafted him top 5 to be the best cb in the league, and he's perennially in the discussion for best cb in the league.

What else could they have been anticipating then?
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Check out their cap and player salaries. Defensive tackle Marcell Dareus at 29 years of age due to a renegotiation of his contract is scheduled to make 22 and 1/2 million dollars in 2020. Plus their star defensive end Yannick Ngakoue is in his final year of his contract and they want to give him a huge increase. Jags are in cap hell where the Texans not that long ago were.
 
badboy said:
Check out their cap and player salaries. Defensive tackle Marcell Dareus at 29 years of age due to a renegotiation of his contract is scheduled to make 22 and 1/2 million dollars in 2020. Plus their star defensive end Yannick Ngakoue is in his final year of his contract and they want to give him a huge increase. Jags are in cap hell where the Texans not that long ago were.
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None of that actually addresses the point of my post though..
 
Of I am reading Bad boy Corte tly, he is saying they can't/ shouldn't get there from here because they've only got pico denero cap wise and other big fish to fry. Question is, which big fish need to get paid to make the team the best it can be. Frankly I hope they all walk,helps us in the Div.
 
edo783 said:
Of I am reading Bad boy Corte tly, he is saying they can't/ shouldn't get there from here because they've only got pico denero cap wise and other big fish to fry. Question is, which big fish need to get paid to make the team the best it can be. Frankly I hope they all walk,helps us in the Div.
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I read him correctly too.

Nonetheless, they drafted him with what should have been the full on anticipation he'd cost a small fortune at some point.

And so like I said..
 
Mollywhopper said:
I read him correctly too.

Nonetheless, they drafted him with what should have been the full on anticipation he'd cost a small fortune at some point.

And so like I said..
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I doubt many teams draft players thinking about the overall cost five years down the road. I think most fans are the same way; like using a credit card sooner or later the balance becomes due. Most people just pay a small monthly payment thinking their own income or other circumstances will make things turn out well... down the road. For the Jags down the road came to a stop sign.
 
badboy said:
I doubt many teams draft players thinking about the overall cost five years down the road. I think most fans are the same way; like using a credit card sooner or later the balance becomes due. Most people just pay a small monthly payment thinking their own income or other circumstances will make things turn out well... down the road. For the Jags down the road came to a stop sign.
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So you're drafting a player top 5 at a premium position thinking he won't turn out?

We're not talking about someone buying a dinner at Applebee's here, we're talking about the obvious scouting, development, and long-term security of that premium position that drafting that player entails.

Who drafts a player top 5 at a premium position assuming that if it works out (as it should be mostly assumed, btw) they won't be on the hook large financially in 4-ish years?

That kind of thought process is genuinely madness.
 
Mollywhopper said:
So you're drafting a player top 5 at a premium position thinking he won't turn out?

We're not talking about someone buying a dinner at Applebee's here, we're talking about the obvious scouting, development, and long-term security of that premium position that drafting that player entails.

Who drafts a player top 5 at a premium position assuming that if it works out (as it should be mostly assumed, btw) they won't be on the hook large financially in 4-ish years?

That kind of thought process is genuinely madness.
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I don't think you're getting the thought behind what I'm trying to say. You're talking about what should happen. I'm talkin about what often happens. The 2020 negative 10 million dollar cap space for the Jags is due to many decisions. One IMO was Marcel Radius. The 2 year contract lowered the 2018 iirc, by 7 million dollars. To get Marcel to agree to that the 2nd year was the huge hit. If the Jags are smart they will either cut him or spread that 22.5 million over two to three years. Allowing them to sign Ramsey and Yannick.

When a team drafts a player that they hope is a Cornerstone of their roster they know at some point he will get paid. It's their decisions on other players that got them to this point.
 
badboy said:
I don't think you're getting the thought behind what I'm trying to say. You're talking about what should happen. I'm talkin about what often happens. The 2020 negative 10 million dollar cap space for the Jags is due to many decisions. One IMO was Marcel Radius. The 2 year contract lowered the 2018 iirc, by 7 million dollars. To get Marcel to agree to that the 2nd year was the huge hit. If the Jags are smart they will either cut him or spread that 22.5 million over two to three years. Allowing them to sign Ramsey and Yannick.

When a team drafts a player that they hope is a Cornerstone of their roster they know at some point he will get paid. It's their decisions on other players that got them to this point.
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Speaking of people not getting the thought behind what someone else is saying.

The original idea that I responded to was that of course they theoretically should pay Ramsey, seeing as they drafted him under the pretense that that would be the most assumed scenario. What they've done since then to jack those plans up I'm completely, and purposely, putting aside as the end result of the team committing to the player and his assumed role/production/purpose and how a team should plan for that is all I was making a point about.

It's no different than the Ezekiel Elliott nonsense. They drafted a running back 4th overall and he performed as such. Well what the hell do you expect when it's time to renegotiate..
 
Would Baltimore trade olb Jaylon Ferguson to us for one of our third rounds to add to their bid for Jalen Ramsey?
 
badboy said:
I don't think you're getting the thought behind what I'm trying to say. You're talking about what should happen. I'm talkin about what often happens. The 2020 negative 10 million dollar cap space for the Jags is due to many decisions. One IMO was Marcel Radius. The 2 year contract lowered the 2018 iirc, by 7 million dollars. To get Marcel to agree to that the 2nd year was the huge hit. If the Jags are smart they will either cut him or spread that 22.5 million over two to three years. Allowing them to sign Ramsey and Yannick.

When a team drafts a player that they hope is a Cornerstone of their roster they know at some point he will get paid. It's their decisions on other players that got them to this point.
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None of this matters really. You pay a guy on what you think he'll do in the future. Ramsey is young and headed into his prime. He has already played for 3 seasons now on a cheap rookie deal where the Jags have gotten a huge discount for the impact player he is. He's in season 4 now and I don't see any issue with him wanting to get paid big dollars based on the fact that he is top 3 at his position. He could have an ACL tear or some other freakish injury that could hurt his movement and his ability to get paid what he is worth. A player can only play on that rookie deal for so long if he's dominating the league and around the level of the elites at that position. One or two years maybe, but that's about it. After that, the player owes it to himself to get a much better deal for themselves at a position like CB and especially RB. I don't agree with a lot of holdouts, but Zeke had to do exactly what he did in his holdout. Ramsey should have held out in camp this season himself.
 
Texecutioner said:
None of this matters really. You pay a guy on what you think he'll do in the future. Ramsey is young and headed into his prime. He has already played for 3 seasons now on a cheap rookie deal where the Jags have gotten a huge discount for the impact player he is. He's in season 4 now and I don't see any issue with him wanting to get paid big dollars based on the fact that he is top 3 at his position. He could have an ACL tear or some other freakish injury that could hurt his movement and his ability to get paid what he is worth. A player can only play on that rookie deal for so long if he's dominating the league and around the level of the elites at that position. One or two years maybe, but that's about it. After that, the player owes it to himself to get a much better deal for themselves at a position like CB and especially RB. I don't agree with a lot of holdouts, but Zeke had to do exactly what he did in his holdout. Ramsey should have held out in camp this season himself.
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Cool now where do you get cap space to pay him 15.1 million this season? They have nine million cap now and 13 games to use part of that if players are injured and guys have to be brought in. In 2020 they are 10 million in the hole. Yannick Ngakoue will be looking at 18 to 20 million on top of that. So about 12 more in 2019. + 45 million in 2020 for those three areas needs to be created ; As attorney Jim Adler says I'm waiting!
 
At some point owners must realize that if rookies are exceeding their rookie deals, it might be a good move to get them signed before the deal expires and they become a FA. The cost' of getting them inked to a new deal goes through the roof once other teams can get into the bidding. By that time, most players feel they've been crapped on as well. As for signing a performing rookie to an extension.....sure they're injury risk but so is losing them are not having the cap space to keep the developed talent.

I'd like to see the NFL incorporate the "Bird Rule" that the NBA uses so the drafting team can keep those prized players that they've developed without having a profound affect on their cap.
 
badboy said:
Cool now where do you get cap space to pay him 15.1 million this season? They have nine million cap now and 13 games to use part of that if players are injured and guys have to be brought in. In 2020 they are 10 million in the hole. Yannick Ngakoue will be looking at 18 to 20 million on top of that. So about 12 more in 2019. + 45 million in 2020 for those three areas needs to be created ; As attorney Jim Adler says I'm waiting!
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You trade a player that you don't need that bad in the trade and potentially release someone els that is expendable.
 
Texecutioner said:
You trade a player that you don't need that bad in the trade and potentially release someone els that is expendable.
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Not picking on you but that may be easier to say than to do. If interested give me your ideas on whom they could cut or trade. This is part of football that I also truly enjoy. As I posted before Marcell Dareus would be a candidate to help in this area. . He is due 22.5 million dollars next season. That takes care of Yannick for me with some going to reduce the $10 m in the red. That's why I have been focusing on Ramsey. His cap is 7.5 million 2019 and GM could use the 9 million cap space now to get him in the range Ramsey wants to be. If it were not for the dispute with GM Caldwell I think this would have been put together already.
 
disaacks3 said:
PFT was saying he's added the "back injury" and "hamstring" to his "flu" issues today. Here's hoping that the Jaguars hold firm...and that Jalen continues to stay home through week 9. :D
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He has now left team for birth of his child due soon. Marone said Jalen informed him some time ago and Ramsey and team agreed best to leave now.
 
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