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Mr teX

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Texansballer74 said:
You can draft a stud LT. Look at the Cowboys for an example. And putting all your eggs in one basket isn't wise whatever. Meaning into just the LT on that line. What about the rest.

Did you not see what Goff just got? Next year we will have to pay Watson that and some. Plus make Tunsil the highest paid LT.

But we suppose to model ourselves like the Patriots.
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You can't also draft a stud DE too? ...Those guys are much more easily had b/c they come on the FA market much more frequently. Just looking at this past FA period you had Clowney & Clark both up for grabs. Last year Mack was put up for grabs. Stud LT's don't get put on the market like that. & Just seeing what Goff got is exactly why Clowney was never going to be here long term as long as Watt was. With the cap space we have & will have going forward, it will be much easier to get Watson & Tunsil signed.

& its not uncommon for teams to put their eggs in 1 basket when it comes to franchise qbs..which is what the move to get Tunsil was all about.
 
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Mr teX said:
You can't also draft a stud DE too? ...Those guys are much more easily had b/c they come on the FA market much more frequently. Just looking at this past FA period you had Clowney & Clark both up for grabs. Last year Mack was put up for grabs. Stud LT's don't get put on the market like that. & Just seeing what Goff got is exactly why Clowney was never going to be here long term as long as Watt was. With the cap space we have & will have going forward, it will be much easier to get Watson & Tunsil signed.

& its not uncommon for teams to put their eggs in 1 basket when it comes to franchise qbs..which is what the move to get Tunsil was all about.
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Stud LTs are hard to find because of college offenses now . Used to OTs and CBs were the easiest to scout . Now OT is a crap shoot because of how they play .
 
Texansballer74

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Mr teX said:
You can't also draft a stud DE too? ...Those guys are much more easily had b/c they come on the FA market much more frequently. Just looking at this past FA period you had Clowney & Clark both up for grabs. Last year Mack was put up for grabs. Stud LT's don't get put on the market like that. & Just seeing what Goff got is exactly why Clowney was never going to be here long term as long as Watt was. With the cap space we have & will have going forward, it will be much easier to get Watson & Tunsil signed.

& its not uncommon for teams to put their eggs in 1 basket when it comes to franchise qbs..which is what the move to get Tunsil was all about.
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I didn't have an issue getting rid of Clowney. I think that rookie we got from the Texas Longhorns will be a beast. Plus we should have Ejiofor ready to go next year.

What I had a problem with was not getting equal value for a former #1 pick who was our best defensive player when Watt was out. And 2nd best when Watt was out there. Just didn't make any sense. Clearly that was a emotional decision by Bill O'Brien.

Mack getting put up for grabs was by far the dumbest decision by Gruden. Look at how that affected both teams. Raiders looked like pure skit while that move propelled the Bears to the playoffs.

It's very possible Tunsil rejects our offer and we will be back to the same madness all over again. Because it's going to be extremely hard for us to pay Watson top QB pay which will range from 150 - 200 million with at least 110-150 guaranteed. Then make Tunsil the highest paid LT.
 
Texansballer74

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steelbtexan said:
You pay top $$$$ for 5-6 players.

QB/LT/Edge/CB there's more than enough $$$$ to pay those players.
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You are clearly missing the point. It's a good chance we won't have it to pay both of them like that.

And no you don't. I don't ever see the mighty Patriots overspending like that. Not even for the best QB in the game.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
You are clearly missing the point. It's a good chance we won't have it to pay both of them like that.

And no you don't. I don't ever see the mighty Patriots overspending like that. Not even for the best QB in the game.
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Pats spend a lot on Brady just Brady does it in a way that's very team friendly. They do it with bonuses and restructure the contract all the time so that Brady's pay day comes on years when they aren't having to pay others. What the Pats have in Brady is not just unique talent wise but in the fact that he cares more about winning than he does getting a pay check. I honestly believe that if someone told him that he was guaranteed to win the SB that year but the trade off is he wouldn't get paid that year he would take the deal. It helps that his wife makes about 3 times as much as he does.

I get your point but using Brady as an example of paying a player is like using him as an example of the best place to draft QBs. He is completely unique in pretty much all areas.
 
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maverick512000 said:
Pats spend a lot on Brady just Brady does it in a way that's very team friendly. They do it with bonuses and restructure the contract all the time so that Brady's pay day comes on years when they aren't having to pay others. What the Pats have in Brady is not just unique talent wise but in the fact that he cares more about winning than he does getting a pay check. I honestly believe that if someone told him that he was guaranteed to win the SB that year but the trade off is he wouldn't get paid that year he would take the deal. It helps that his wife makes about 3 times as much as he does.

I get your point but using Brady as an example of paying a player is like using him as an example of the best place to draft QBs. He is completely unique in pretty much all areas.
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Brady gets paid peanuts for his market value..
 
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Texansballer74 said:
You are clearly missing the point. It's a good chance we won't have it to pay both of them like that.

And no you don't. I don't ever see the mighty Patriots overspending like that. Not even for the best QB in the game.
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The cap will go up and they currently have the 2nd most cap space in the NFL. Most teams have 4 max level players when they signed their contracts on it.

Yes the Pats are operating differently. But desperate times call for desperate measures and after seeing what we've seen the last 2 seasons on the OL times were definitely desperate.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
I didn't have an issue getting rid of Clowney. I think that rookie we got from the Texas Longhorns will be a beast. Plus we should have Ejiofor ready to go next year.

What I had a problem with was not getting equal value for a former #1 pick who was our best defensive player when Watt was out. And 2nd best when Watt was out there. Just didn't make any sense. Clearly that was a emotional decision by Bill O'Brien.

Mack getting put up for grabs was by far the dumbest decision by Gruden. Look at how that affected both teams. Raiders looked like pure skit while that move propelled the Bears to the playoffs.

It's very possible Tunsil rejects our offer and we will be back to the same madness all over again. Because it's going to be extremely hard for us to pay Watson top QB pay which will range from 150 - 200 million with at least 110-150 guaranteed. Then make Tunsil the highest paid LT.
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Dont worry your little head, they will get both of those guys signed long-term.
 
Mr teX

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Texansballer74 said:
I didn't have an issue getting rid of Clowney. I think that rookie we got from the Texas Longhorns will be a beast. Plus we should have Ejiofor ready to go next year.

What I had a problem with was not getting equal value for a former #1 pick who was our best defensive player when Watt was out. And 2nd best when Watt was out there. Just didn't make any sense. Clearly that was a emotional decision by Bill O'Brien.

Mack getting put up for grabs was by far the dumbest decision by Gruden. Look at how that affected both teams. Raiders looked like pure skit while that move propelled the Bears to the playoffs.

It's very possible Tunsil rejects our offer and we will be back to the same madness all over again. Because it's going to be extremely hard for us to pay Watson top QB pay which will range from 150 - 200 million with at least 110-150 guaranteed. Then make Tunsil the highest paid LT.
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I hear you bro & everyone is largely not pleased with the return we got for Clowney. But lets not act like Clowney was void of emotion in this affair either. At the end of the day this is a business & if his feelings were hurt b/c he found out he was going to be traded, then he's in the wrong business. Clowney's overall mindset was very much illustrated in how he went about all this. He wanted to go to a competitive situation and be part of something that could potentially be the difference ...Kahlil Mack's mentality in true alpha dog status was I AM THE DIFFERENCE, & I'm going over here to this 5-11 team and i'm going to elevate them to contenders status. That's the kind of player coaches salivate over. Clowney doesn't have it in him to be that guy imo & its why he's not performed up to the level of his classmates Donald & Mack.

& on the eve of paying &/or extending their franchise qbs, teams ALWAYS struggle to field decent teams either before or after b/c those guys always wind up taking up 20% of your cap. Popular players are let go & sold off & you wind up having a few lean years. We will be no different. What you don't want is for those lean years to be extended by ruining your franchise qb by not protecting him. It appears we may have avoided that with the addition of Tunsil. It's just the price you pay for having a qb among the best in the league. If you're going to drop that kinda loot on your qb, you better make for damn sure you do everything within your power to keep him upright.
 
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Carr Bombed said:
Brady gets paid peanuts for his market value..
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No question but if Brady was paid his market value then they would be in the situation Viking and Packers are in. All the money locked into the QB position and none left to build the team with. That’s where the uniqueness of Brady comes in. That’s not the Pats being better managers than other teams or BB being so much smarter that that’s Brady being willing to work for peanuts as long as he keeps getting rings.
 
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mws said:
I would not be surprised if Brady becomes a minority owner or at least is with the Patriots in some capacity after he retires. Sort of an under the table deal to reward him for all the years he played for a lot less than what he was worth.
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No need for that.
I'm pretty sure Brady and his wife already got access to Kraft's equity portfolio and all the professional investment lawyers and bankers that Kraft had used.
That's invaluable for a young ascending couples (from early on) to build their net worth - instead of losing it by using the wrong people.
 
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There is also Brady's TB12 method where the Patriots have had a contract with a clinic partially owned by Brady since 2013. Here is a link from 2015.
 
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Meanwhile Tunsil reporting in the Chronicle said a new contract would be great but right now he just wants to get ready to help the Texans. Sounds excited to be here and protect D4...thats what he said he calls DW. Said his goals are to get to the Pro Bowl and SB. Guy is saying all the right things. Eager to play here.
 
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Dejaview said:
Meanwhile Tunsil reporting in the Chronicle said a new contract would be great but right now he just wants to get ready to help the Texans. Sounds excited to be here and protect D4...thats what he said he calls DW. Said his goals are to get to the Pro Bowl and SB. Guy is saying all the right things. Eager to play here.
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Sounds like they're waiting until the off-season. Not sure if that's good or bad.
 
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zshawn10 said:
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I love that Tunsil has each media member introducing themselves. I love that he has a pencil behind his ear. And I love that he knows the EXACT number of times Deshaun Watson was sacked. Basically, I’m smitten with Laremy Tunsil.

https://twitter.com/SeanTPendergast/status/1169762231166361602
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Watching that interview reminded me of Forest Whittaker in Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai. Now I’m kind of smitten with Laremy Tunsil.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Again we do not know that for sure.
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No we don’t but it makes sense for both sides to wait. In theory Texans could get him for cheaper now but what if he doesn’t want to sign. You now have your new shiny LT that guards against everything except the left nut he cost you upset because he feels you are trying to go cheap on him. Likewise it gives the Texans a chance to see if he is really legit, he is, and if he will fit in with the team and the overall plan.

From Tunsil side yeah he may have them over a barrel now but if he goes out there and has a pro bowl year then he’s got them over an even bigger barrel and really cash in. Hell if the stars align and a movie worthy miracle happens he may even be a part of a Super Bowl or at least deep playoff run and then he can make the argument that he was the missing piece. At that point they’ll need two pens to add all those zeros to his salary.
 
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Dejaview said:
Meanwhile Tunsil reporting in the Chronicle said a new contract would be great but right now he just wants to get ready to help the Texans. Sounds excited to be here and protect D4...thats what he said he calls DW. Said his goals are to get to the Pro Bowl and SB. Guy is saying all the right things. Eager to play here.
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Mr teX said:
Clowney's that kid you coach in little league / high school that just has everything you look for from a measureables standpoint that says he should be a stud. but you get frustrated when coaching him b/c those measureables just don't translate to consistent dominance on the field. Sure, you'll get a flicker 1-2 times a game, but you as a coach just pull your hair out trying to figure out a way to get this kid to really realize his potential. After a while, you just realize that that's just him. He's the Dwight Howard of the NFL imo.
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You guys have been spoiled by Watts once in a generation talent. Clowney IS a stud and he has realized his potential you just have unrealistic expectations. He was a top 5 edge guy. I would say that’s pretty dam good. Dwight Howard? Lol you mean the eight-time All-Star, eight-time All-NBA Team honoree, five-time All-Defensive Team member, and three-time Defensive Player of the Year and he led the NBA in rebounding from 2007 to 2010, and again from 2012 to 2013 Howard? Howard was the premiere big man for several years and yeah he never developed his game in the way Akeem or Dunkin did ( who has?) but he was a hell of a player and contributed quit a bit to his teams in his prime. Not every great athlete becomes an all time great. But some become very good upper echelon players that are difference makers and Clowney has done just that and my money is on him becoming even more impactful now that he’s in a defense more aligned with his skill set. JIMO.
 
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Mr teX said:
That's a great subjective cherry picked stat sweet pea..but I said MAJOR defensive stat categories...sacks, TFLs, tackles...you know, those stats that the guys he's trying to be paid like rack up on.

Also thought it was curious you linked a tweet that has a gif of Clowney getting pancaked by Nelson....lol.
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Lol you’re something else bro. And what difference does it make he had a contract he was willing to sign but butt chin through a tantrum and WASTED a valuable asset for no other reason than he’s a POS wanna be.
 
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mussop said:
Lol you’re something else bro. And what difference does it make he had a contract he was willing to sign but butt chin through a tantrum and WASTED a valuable asset for no other reason than he’s a POS wanna be.
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Lol, the basis of you guys' argument about Clowney's supposed "leverage" was that he wasn't going to sign the tender after he found out there was a deal in place to trade his ass. Dude is on record saying he wasn't going to sign it unless it was a team he wanted to go to. That's a temper tantrum if i ever saw one.

What, your "I hate all things BoB" glasses obscure your vision to Clowney's little butthurt reaction? figures.
 
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Mr teX said:
Lol, the basis of you guys' argument about Clowney's supposed "leverage" was that he wasn't going to sign the tender after he found out there was a deal in place to trade his ass. Dude is on record saying he wasn't going to sign it unless it was a team he wanted to go to. That's a temper tantrum if i ever saw one.

What, your "I hate all things BoB" glasses obscure your vision to Clowney's little butthurt reaction? figures.
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Even you agree Clowney had no leverage but obrien is such a moron he traded him for nothing
 
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mussop said:
You guys have been spoiled by Watts once in a generation talent. Clowney IS a stud and he has realized his potential you just have unrealistic expectations. He was a top 5 edge guy. I would say that’s pretty dam good. Dwight Howard? Lol you mean the eight-time All-Star, eight-time All-NBA Team honoree, five-time All-Defensive Team member, and three-time Defensive Player of the Year and he led the NBA in rebounding from 2007 to 2010, and again from 2012 to 2013 Howard? Howard was the premiere big man for several years and yeah he never developed his game in the way Akeem or Dunkin did ( who has?) but he was a hell of a player and contributed quit a bit to his teams in his prime. Not every great athlete becomes an all time great. But some become very good upper echelon players that are difference makers and Clowney has done just that and my money is on him becoming even more impactful now that he’s in a defense more aligned with his skill set. JIMO.
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No, the Dwight Howard that had elite physical tools to absolutely dominate but failed to develop his game beyond the basics....That Dwight Howard.

Frank Clark is a very good upper echelon player. Clowney's touting himself as in the class of guys of the great defensive players in this game that have put the skins on the wall & done it.

It has less to do with Watt & more to do with Clowney. Its patently sad that after 4 years in the league he is still most remembered for a hit he made in college. Never even been close to being in the running for DPOY. Hasn't had a double digit sack season. Still being out-produced by his teammate.

I don't think you guys factored in how much talent Clowney had around him here that allowed him in alot of ways to do what he did. He had a HOFer in Watt opposite him drawing his own share of attention...... a very good DT in DJ Reader that commands doubles at times, before that another all pro DT in Vince Wilfork commanding attention..... another capable rusher in Merci behind him..... & a pro bowl mlb in McKinney behind him....with a HOF defensive coordinator calling plays. He won't have that in Seattle & he will be no question the focal point.

Im on record as saying he will finally crack the double digit sack barrier there...I see around 12 sacks. but for him to justify the type of money he wants, he's going to have to do more than just that. & until he actually does something on par with the hype that has been surrounding him since he came out, i'm done giving him the benefit of the doubt.
 
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The only thing the Texans did right in this whole damn mess was not sign JD to an extended contract for the money he was seeking. FT was the right thing to do. Then it went from what you're supposed to do to shit show in about 6 seconds.
 
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Mr teX said:
Lol, the basis of you guys' argument about Clowney's supposed "leverage" was that he wasn't going to sign the tender after he found out there was a deal in place to trade his ass. Dude is on record saying he wasn't going to sign it unless it was a team he wanted to go to. That's a temper tantrum if i ever saw one.

What, your "I hate all things BoB" glasses obscure your vision to Clowney's little butthurt reaction? figures.
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Lol supposed leverage? He got what he wanted didn’t he. We didn’t did we? And Jesus your reasoning is beyond idiotic. If the your man bob does something it’s all about business. If anyone else does anything it’s a tantrum. Bob is the one that threw a tantrum. He gave away a great player for trash just because he couldn’t get what he wanted. He could of been a man and done what was right for the team and kept Clowney on the tag and waited to trade him next year when he could of gotten actual value for him but that dkhead acted like a child and cost the team dearly.

What, your "I love all things BoB" glasses obscure your vision to Butt chins little butthurt reaction? Obviously!
 
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Speedy said:
The only thing the Texans did right in this whole damn mess was not sign JD to an extended contract for the money he was seeking. FT was the right thing to do. Then it went from what you're supposed to do to shit show in about 6 seconds.
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Texansballer74 said:
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Love his disposition. Really glad he’s here. Price was hard to swallow but LT is such an important position and waiting another year to get one could set us back for a very long time. Hopefully he becomes an elite player that helps this team win it all. Only wish we had reworked his contract already. That’s the huge mistake not the price.
 
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mussop said:
Lol supposed leverage? He got what he wanted didn’t he. We didn’t did we? And Jesus your reasoning is beyond idiotic. If the your man bob does something it’s all about business. If anyone else does anything it’s a tantrum. Bob is the one that threw a tantrum. He gave away a great player for trash just because he couldn’t get what he wanted. He could of been a man and done what was right for the team and kept Clowney on the tag and waited to trade him next year when he could of gotten actual value for him but that dkhead acted like a child and cost the team dearly.

What, your "I love all things BoB" glasses obscure your vision to Butt chins little butthurt reaction? Obviously!
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Lol yep supposed leverage, b/c he really had none. Him getting what he wanted was hardly thru any great strategy on his part, it was thru bad strategy on ours. A win by default basically. Regardless, it doesn’t change the fact that he too got all butthurt and thru his little tantrum when he found out there was a deal on the table to ship his ass out. Ego hit of the highest order.

Why don’t u try getting outside of your feelings about BoB buttercup and see that both thru a tantrum?

But as I type this I’m reminded of the fact that Your reading comprehension is terrible and your inability to look at both sides of the coin is clouded by your hatred of all things BoB...so disregard, i’ll Let u have it.
 
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mussop said:
Lol supposed leverage? He got what he wanted didn’t he. We didn’t did we? And Jesus your reasoning is beyond idiotic. If the your man bob does something it’s all about business. If anyone else does anything it’s a tantrum. Bob is the one that threw a tantrum. He gave away a great player for trash just because he couldn’t get what he wanted. He could of been a man and done what was right for the team and kept Clowney on the tag and waited to trade him next year when he could of gotten actual value for him but that dkhead acted like a child and cost the team dearly.

What, your "I love all things BoB" glasses obscure your vision to Butt chins little butthurt reaction? Obviously!
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BOB was willing to basically let him walk and go where he wanted to go just to get Clowney out of the lockeroom. I wonder how things went south so quickly.
 
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steelbtexan said:
BOB was willing to basically let him walk and go where he wanted to go just to get Clowney out of the lockeroom. I wonder how things went south so quickly.
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I don’t think things went south quickly, I think they’ve been heading south for awhile. I think there was a disconnect between Gaine and BOB regarding Clowney, BOB wanting to trade him and Gaine wanting to keep him. I know KC contacted us about Clowney prior to the draft and by the time we got back to them to make a deal they had already arranged the Clark trade. I think this combined with the inactivity during FA led to Gaine’s firing, he was just too conservative/frugal.
 
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steelbtexan said:
BOB was willing to basically let him walk and go where he wanted to go just to get Clowney out of the lockeroom. I wonder how things went south so quickly.
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There's a common denominator here. Things have gone south with a certain someone multiple times now
 
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mussop said:
Only wish we had reworked his contract already. That’s the huge mistake not the price.
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I dont understand this. Whether we did it at the time or two years from now, he's got us over the same barrel.

His agent knows this. We know this.

The only difference is we would know now what the cost is. Right now we don't know.
 
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Listening to SiriusXM NFL pregame show last night...
Although it was focused on GB/CHI and NFL 100, Brandt kind of out of nowhere brought up the Tunsil trade in a "Blueprint for Success" discussion about how to build a team.

Gil Brandt, "I think [the Texans] made a great trade. You want to protect a young quarterback, you’ve got to have that left tackle."

Pat Kirwin, also a former NFL front office guy, "When we left camp I asked Bill O’Brien ’What’s the number one priority here?’ and he said, ’I’ve got to protect this quarterback. We’ve got one of the best quarterbacks going right now, we can win a Super Bowl with this kid.’ so the Tunsil trade made total sense to me. And Will Fuller is always down with injury, so you go I out and get Kenny Stills! I thought it was a great trade."
 
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