Where is Cal during this whole mess? is he satisfied with product on the field? He was decisive with Gaine be decisive with O’Brian
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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread
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Mangler
Toro de España
O’Brien will probably give up Clowney, a 2020 first & second, along with a 2021 3rd round pick. He may not be here after this season, so what does it matter to him?
I'm wondering how he can do all of this and have a really sick son at home.
I know I couldn't do the job properly.
Mangler
Toro de España
Not knocking him, as I have a soft spot for people with mental illnesses, but the guy is a multi millionaire. I’m sure he has some type of home health service come in and help the family out while he’s at work. Unless Mrs. O’Brien takes on the load while he’s at work? Anyway, it’s clear that there’s way too much on his plate, and if that’s what he truly wanted, it’s all on him now.
True, but at least Tunsil is a really good player who should solve the LT riddle for the next 5-7 yrs. There's major value in knowing that Watson's blindside will be protected and Watson will have the talent around him that he needs to succeed.
A good young OL of Tunsil/Howard/Fulton/Scharping/Henderson that has a chance to grow together and in typical Texans fashion is cheap has alot of value and may be worth a 1st/2nd.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
The stink of desperation sickens me. JD PLUS a 1st AND 2nd AND possibly a 3rd!?!?!? I love Tunsil, but that is just a weak attempt at a Kevin Costner from that shitty trade day movie. Jesus Christ I can’t believe the think tank on Kirby feels it would be appropriate. This is gross negligence.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
**** Bill O'Brien, **** him where he shits... this season is going to be a train wreck
Carr Bombed
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Butt chin bastard
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Every time I here him speak I just want to punch him in the face
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
He's ruining this team and creates fractured locker room after fractured locker room... this will be the year that they finally turn on his ass.
Not going to happen if they win.
You think the team will turn on the HC that did what was necessary to protect Watson?
You think Watson will appreciate Tunsil protecting him instead of the crap that was Davenport/Clark.
If Watson is the team leader everybody around here thinks he is, there will be no dissension in the locker room.
You're hate/hoping BOB gets fired is blinding you.
You think the team will turn on the HC that did what was necessary to protect Watson?
You think Watson will appreciate Tunsil protecting him instead of the crap that was Davenport/Clark.
If Watson is the team leader everybody around here thinks he is, there will be no dissension in the locker room.
You're hate/hoping BOB gets fired is blinding you.
Younq Dolphin
Practice Squad
I’m going to laugh at all you idiots who said LT isn’t elite. Don’t think you’d pony up Clowney, a 1st and 2nd/3rd otherwise
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
You don’t know this franchise.
frethack
Rookie
Tunsil is good, but I can name 10+ tackles that are better. He may become elite as he gains more experience and others retire, but he isnt right now.
Im actually hoping that Clowney holds out until week 9 to save us from BOB giving away the next two drafts. What coach or GM is going to come here if we dont have draft picks?
(Answer: not one worth having)
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Maybe so, but this team is further away from being a SB contender than just a LT, and giving away a ton of picks doesn’t help you fix that.
This reeks of the Osweiler situation where the Texans once again are trying to smooth over more mistakes by being the suck ass talent evaluators they are. You can’t keep giving away picks to fix your fuckups. And it's not just the picks you're giving up to get rid of JD and bring in Tunsil, it's the picks you lose from trading JD the right way next off-season.
What a clusterfuck of an organization. They need an Astros type stripping it down and completely starting over. Unfortunately that would likely require an ownership change and that ain't happening.
Dejaview
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austins23
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You’re the idiot if you think Tunsil is elite. And the Texans .org would be idiots to give you Clowney and a 1. Just a dumb move
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
So I like Tunsil .. alot. He's gotten better and makes me somewhat less edgy about our new guys playing G for a year and then sliding out, BUT lets keep everything realistic yeah?. HIs run blocking does leave alot to be desired, but he has the tools to make it work. If you want to get 'technical' then the PFF grade that he received this year (70 overall?) would basically have him listed as a "NFL STARTER" 70-84 .. so your claim of him being "ELITE" now isnt approrpiate ... YET! Stock trends up no doubt, but while you do seem to be receiving some hazing, I think responding with factual supporting data is always better than "fighting fire with fire" .. just my 2 cents.
Jadeveon Clowney on the other hand was graded at 89.5 from PFF (look im not a huge PFF guy honestly, but its one of the few data points that we have in conversations like these) and that puts him squarely in the "PRO BOWL" range (which he has been now for 3 years in a row) and on the cusp of actual "ELITE" level play. The point is that Houston is so inept in the front office that they whiffed on the two tackles they selected in the first 3 picks (so far at least) and decided that G would be the best spot for them now, and have created a clusterfk of poor play on the line, so NOW they are almost handcuffed to the idea of getting rid of a true ELITE level player, and taking a RISK (although a positive one IMO) that Tunsil continues to get better. That leads to the fact the Houston offensive coaches suck dick. Mike Devlin will find a way to hinder or destroy Tunsils development and the team would be in a worse spot IMO.
Its not really a good trade for Houston at all, but it reeks of desperation like the draft day selections. IF Tunsil would develop into what Clowney has become then it could be a win/win for each team. Some health concerns on Clowney are understandable, but he has only missed 1 game over 3 years. Gouging for extra picks by your front office is just smart, and if they can get Houston to pony up then its not a talent/talent deal, but a deal that is just taking advantage of an inexperienced group of negotiators for Houston.
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The Player Grading Scale:
100-90 Elite
89-85 Pro Bowler
84-70 Starter
69-60 Backup
59-0 Replaceable
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/laremy-tunsil/10647
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/jadeveon-clowney/8636
Texans' Bill O'Brien calls unresolved Jadeveon Clowney situation 'unique'
The unresolved status of Pro Bowl outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney remains in a holding pattern.
The Texans have continued trade discussions with the Miami Dolphins, whose coach, Brian Flores, met with the former top overall pick recently.
Clowney is extremely reluctant to play for a team that he doesn't consider a playoff contender, according to league sources not authorized to speak publicly, after playing for an 11-5 squad last season that won the AFC South division title.
Clowney is steadfast that he won't sign his $15.967 million tender unless he is going to a preferred destination like the Seattle Seahawks and Philadelphia Eagles, according to league sources not authorized to speak publicly. Clowney fired longtime agent Bus Cook, is in no rush to hire a new agent and is considering not hiring an agent at this time and representing himself and possibly missing regular-season games at a cost of $939,235 game checks per week.
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https://www.chron.com/sports/texans...-Brien-calls-unresolved-Jadeveon-14401099.php
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I dunno it might be unique and if so thanks to you coach.
If you an your buddy Gain would have just made the deal to move up and draft Dillard none of this would have happened.
I'm ususally a company guy but not in this case I'm 100 % behind Clwney and all he's doing is taking advantage of the rules & regs like the owners do.
Wonder who's advising him ? I know officially he doesn't have a new agent after fiiring Cook but this has gotten pretty complicated and he's clearly getting advise.
The unresolved status of Pro Bowl outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney remains in a holding pattern.
The Texans have continued trade discussions with the Miami Dolphins, whose coach, Brian Flores, met with the former top overall pick recently.
Clowney is extremely reluctant to play for a team that he doesn't consider a playoff contender, according to league sources not authorized to speak publicly, after playing for an 11-5 squad last season that won the AFC South division title.
Clowney is steadfast that he won't sign his $15.967 million tender unless he is going to a preferred destination like the Seattle Seahawks and Philadelphia Eagles, according to league sources not authorized to speak publicly. Clowney fired longtime agent Bus Cook, is in no rush to hire a new agent and is considering not hiring an agent at this time and representing himself and possibly missing regular-season games at a cost of $939,235 game checks per week.
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https://www.chron.com/sports/texans...-Brien-calls-unresolved-Jadeveon-14401099.php
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I dunno it might be unique and if so thanks to you coach.
If you an your buddy Gain would have just made the deal to move up and draft Dillard none of this would have happened.
I'm ususally a company guy but not in this case I'm 100 % behind Clwney and all he's doing is taking advantage of the rules & regs like the owners do.
Wonder who's advising him ? I know officially he doesn't have a new agent after fiiring Cook but this has gotten pretty complicated and he's clearly getting advise.
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Something Witty !
Somewhere Brian Gaines and Rick Smith are laughing there assses off doing tequila shots .
Especially given the fact that we could have just cut him and saved the pick since they didn't do jack with the freed up salary cap space.
frethack
Rookie
But we had to save cap space for all of the blue chip free agents we signed. Everyone knows that.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
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Havent extended DW, Reader and others yet.
Relative to ?
Max
Veteran
Me? I'm not impressed by people that try to make themselves look impressive. That's me.
What does Cap space 2-3 years ago have to do with Watson, etc. being extended?
Well your work was definitely not in football judging from your assessment of our head coach. I mean you really think Kalil is a starting LT?
Number19
Hall of Fame
There's really no thinking involved. It's a fact he has started every game he has been active. Now, is your question, should he be starting for the Texans? I would say, no.
Haha yes good point
It's all about their franchise QB who they are most certainly desperately trying to avoid sending on any more bus rides to away games like last year.
And my understaning is that Lamar Miller is out for the year because Davenport missed a backside bloc on the guy who busted Lamar.
So understandably there's no one on the current roster they Texan have any faith in protecting Watson.
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Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Level of crap here is stunning. I’ve never even posted anything about Khalil. Certainly from a talent judgement standpoint. OB, have I ever once said I like the guy. I post positive comments as a rebuttal to the bs that goes on here, primarily to simply show another point of view. Good *od the level of anguish that goes on here over that guy. YOU can’t change a damn thing other than your character reacting to him. Cal has a short fuse. I truly believe that. It’s going to play out sooner than later one way or the other. Just save some emotional room for the good.
I've noticed that when you type a response and hit 'Post Reply', it acts like it's thinking and not posting your comment. What I've learned is to refresh the page after about 5 seconds before you just go and hit 'Post Reply' again and the comment seems to show up.
Maybe people will read this and it'll help out....even if it's the slightest bit.
zshawn10
All Pro
Question to #Texans O'Brien on Clowney – "Would you welcome him back?"
His answer : "Anytime he wants to come in and sign the tender, we can sit down & talk and go through all those things. Again, it's all about what's best for the team." @KPRC2 #ClowneyWatch
— Adam Wexler (@KPRC2AdamW) August 30, 2019
"It is not a matter of want. It’s a matter of difference of opinion in value, relative to the contract. It has nothing to do with want." Bill O’Brien on Clowney situation. #Texans https://t.co/Kxm9MCPLPz
— Adam Wexler (@KPRC2AdamW) August 30, 2019
His answer : "Anytime he wants to come in and sign the tender, we can sit down & talk and go through all those things. Again, it's all about what's best for the team." @KPRC2 #ClowneyWatch
— Adam Wexler (@KPRC2AdamW) August 30, 2019
"It is not a matter of want. It’s a matter of difference of opinion in value, relative to the contract. It has nothing to do with want." Bill O’Brien on Clowney situation. #Texans https://t.co/Kxm9MCPLPz
— Adam Wexler (@KPRC2AdamW) August 30, 2019
Wow, no wonder Clowney is just chomping at the bit to come back. That's just a ringing endorsement if I ever heard one.
Pretty dumb questions
Most don't have the patience
Number19
Hall of Fame
I thought OB's answer was spot on. Decisions should always be based on what is best for the team and organization.Wow, no wonder Clowney is just chomping at the bit to come back. That's just a ringing endorsement if I ever heard one.
So only you can criticize ob. If someone else does it's bs. Like clock management?
If cal had a short fuse he would have fired O'Brien for missing out on Dillard, for signing Kalkl, for getting lamar and warring injured,and a billion other reasons
Too bad he's making decisions our of desperation and cluelessness