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State of the O-line

IDEXAN said:
I dunno how badly an offensive lineman is disadvantaged with a broken finger ? Obviously can't help but my guess it's much more of handicap for a D-lineman ?
Should Howard be able to start and play in the season opener in NOLA with the busted pinkie ?
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Different digit but Trent Williams missed four games with an injured thumb if I remember correctly
 
IDEXAN said:
I dunno how badly an offensive lineman is disadvantaged with a broken finger ? Obviously can't help but my guess it's much more of handicap for a D-lineman ?
Should Howard be able to start and play in the season opener in NOLA with the busted pinkie ?
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Different digit but Trent Williams missed four games with an injured thumb if I remember correctly
justmy2cents said:
Wouldn't it be great if Rod could put on about 15 pounds of muscle .... he is a natural mover .... I don't think he'd lose any quickness.
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Somewhere I saw Rod Johnson at 311 .
 
badboy said:
4.122 safety Mark McClaurin 6'2" 215 Miss St. senior stats 2017 79 Ts, 1 FF, 6 PBUs and 6 INTs

3.87 ILB Sutton Smith 6'0 230 N. Illinois true junior played defensive end 2017 and was very fast 63Ts, 29.5 for loss with 3 FFs two of which he returned for TDs. 14 sacks, 8 QB hurries and 43 of tackles were solo.

2.54 OT/OG Max Scharping 6'6" 320 also of Northern Illinois in mid-American Conference was two year 1st team all MAC. In 2016 the O'Line was ranked second in USA for fewest sacks allowed [8]. The Huskies avg 239.8 rushing and 224 yards passing per game pere ROTOWORLD. Scharping was #1 in pass blocking at 98.9 and in 2017 was highest ranked draft eligible OT ranked at 99.2. Career: allowed only 21 QB hurries in 1,377 pass blocking snaps with no sacks either year. All stats per PFF.
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I missed by one. Hopefully, Henderson can last long enough at right tackle to give scharping some time. Every game rookies are going to get better. I am in optimistic State of Mind. My post was from August of 2018
 
Todd Wade was the right tackle that I couldn't remember. Seth Wand - 6'7" 325 at LT and Todd Wade 6'8" 320 at RT .... boy did they look the part. Joel Buschbaum used to say - "look like Tarzan, play like Jane" !
 
281Texan said:
I say Keep Tytus and Scharping where they’re at. If Roderick is legit (by legit I mean if he’s even average) and OB does the right thing and starts Fulton at center, you’re looking at a top 16 OL.
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I like that too. However, it assumes that Henderson will stay healthy !
 
Ripped this from the JD Clowney Is The Devil Thread .. had some really good offensive line discussion.

zshawn10 said:
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...ns-trade-Jadeveon-Clowney-or-not-14308363.php
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Wilson on Kalil: What we're getting from Matt is inconsistent. It's not just his health, it's his play. It's rust. He didn't play last year. He wears a sleeve, got his foot stepped on, he gets dinged easily. They have to give him days off. He's 30 years old, got a lot of wear & tear on his body.

Yesterday we saw him get bull rushed into Deshaun Watson, have a false start and I saw some good moments. My opinion on him is this lowest common denominator. Is he better than Julie'n Davenport? Yes, resounding yes. Do they have a better option on this roster other than shelving the Tytus Howard guard experiment and getting him ready to play? I advocate that move. I would shut it down with Kalil, maybe have him not even make the team and make Tytus Howard the starting LT. You have little time to do this which lends me to think they'll go with the path of least resistance. Kalil at least against the Saints - if healthy - but at some point they'll have to pull the trigger and get Howard ready. I would put him out there & let him learn on the job. It's not ideal but you can't have Kalil out there being inconsistent & getting dinged all the time. I hear the right things from him but I don't know. What we actually see & what he says are two different things. I'm in favor of moving on.

McClain: If they move Howard to tackle, that means they royally screwed up putting him at guard. It's way too late. They should have had him at left tackle all the time. That's why I think they will trade Clowney for a left tackle. I have no idea who that will be. You won't get what he's worth at this time. The other team can't sign him so the other team may be in the same position as the Texans. [...] It's just a bad time to trade him unless you can get a left tackle.

In practice Thursday, Tytus Howard was 2nd team to Kelemete & Roderick Johnson replaced Kalil. What are we to read into that?

Wilson: We asked that question. He said this was just looking at him with the ones. Senio was their starter last year. He came into this year as the guy. Then we heard talk that they were going to replace him with Rankin. He's obviously still way better than Martinas Rankin. I think they're hedging their bets & seeing if Kelemete, if we move on from Kalil & Howard is the LT, could we go that way? That's an option. We were starting to write Kelemete off, I know I had at least. Would you rather have Kelemete than Rankin?

McClain: I think Rankin ought to be on the side of a milk carton. I haven't heard anyone talking about him. (Wilson: Not having that good of a camp, yeah) I don't know if it's mental, physical, lost his confidence but he hasn't stood out at all. I was told when Zach Fulton left KC for Houston, Chiefs thought he was a better center. Thoughts about Fulton?

Wilson: I'm interested in the Fulton option at center and Nick Martin at guard. Would they make that move? Would they consider it? If you want your best five, can you make an argument for: Howard-Martin-Fulton-Scharping-Henderson. It's a big lineup. I think it'd be interesting to see that group & would love to see it in a preseason game. I don't know even know if Nick will be ready for the 3rd preseason game at this rate. I'd like to see that idea floated.

What I saw today, they were seeing if Kelemete, giving him those reps in case they have to move on. I'd take everything with a grain of salt. They said it was a day off for Kalil but we've seen enough injuries from him in the past. He's made of glass & could go down at any moment. It's not like his play is that great. I'm being generous but he's been like a C+. More of a C? You might give him a D. Consistency & health are big factors. Davenport was a F. Maybe he's a D or C. They're marginally better with him at LT.

McClain: Very interesting Thursday Davenport was 2nd team & Roderick Johnson moved up to first team. What do you read into that?

Wilson: He said RJ has had a good camp. I agree with him. He has had a good camp. A young lineman worth developing. He was thought of pretty highly coming out of Florida State & then washed out with the Browns. Davenport, obviously not good. They don't think highly of his play. He didn't even get the chance to compete for the job he held last year. He can't be your LT. I thought he'd at least be the swing tackle.

McClain: Who is the swing tackle?

Wilson: Could he do it? Yeah I guess.

McClain: Julie'n could but do they want him on the team?

Wilson: Feels like they don't have any confidence in him. This line shuffle, some of it's because of health but some of it is because of talent. They seem willing to put anyone in there at any time. The fact Rankin hasn't been moved up is interesting. He's a 3rd round pick. One thing too that comes to mind: you fired your GM. He had a vision for what he thought these guys would do. Obviously the coach makes the decision who plays but in the acquisition of players, a lot of that was his vision. O'Brien signed off but he had the idea & brings it to him 'Hey I want to do this' & then it happens. For Rankin to fall this far out of favor when I thought he had a good offseason, I thought he had gotten in better shape, ... I would give him a chance but they know better. They don't think he should. I would almost be? surprised if he makes the team at this point because he's shown nothing & haven't given him the opportunities.
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Dillard 42 QB passes - 0 pressures given up
Howard 49 QB passes - 4 pressures given up

Gaine was such an idiot. Dillard is ready to go today and we could have had him for a 3rd rounder. Who’d you rather have, Duke Johnson or Dillard. The Eagles offered that to us and we declined. IDIOTS!! The Eagles are like the Astros and are a model franchise with championships to show for it. I would kill to have Howie Roseman.
 
thunderkyss said:
Where do you get that from? Has that been reported somewhere? Do you have a link?

Honestly if it were me, I'd have waited for Dillard to drop to 23 once he got past 20. I remember people going crazy when we moved up one spot to get WFV.
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Yes but what would your move have been when the Ravens called you and said you can have our pick if you are willing to outbid Philly with your 3rd rounder ?
You would have made that trade Thunder, you know you would have.
 
IDEXAN said:
Yes but what would your move have been when the Ravens called you and said you can have our pick if you are willing to outbid Philly with your 3rd rounder ?
You would have made that trade Thunder, you know you would have.
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Did Philly call? I may have made the deal, I don't know. I do know that it makes sense. I do know the "experts" say that makes sense.

I do not know why the Texans would not have made that deal if it were offered. So I have to believe it didn't. I believe the Eagles called so late with an "I need your answer now or there's no deal" offer & the Texans never had a chance.
 
IDEXAN said:
Yes but what would your move have been when the Ravens called you and said you can have our pick if you are willing to outbid Philly with your 3rd rounder ?
You would have made that trade Thunder, you know you would have.
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Was Dillard + a 3rd better than Howard? There were numerous reports the Texans (and others) were very high on Howard, not much mention of Dillard other than draftniks were very high on him
 
JB said:
Was Dillard + a 3rd better than Howard? There were numerous reports the Texans (and others) were very high on Howard, not much mention of Dillard other than draftniks were very high on him
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JB said:
Was Dillard + a 3rd better than Howard? There were numerous reports the Texans (and others) were very high on Howard, not much mention of Dillard other than draftniks were very high on him
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Maybe not but he's better than Tytus and warring. They reached when Dillard came off
 
TheKDog said:
Maybe not but he's better than Tytus and warring. They reached when Dillard came off
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We don't know that yet. There have been 2 preseason games to look at Dillard and Howard and haven't seen Warring yet. A reach for Howard, maybe but then maybe they planned to take him in the first. And maybe they didn't but then Philly forced their hand
 
JB said:
We don't know that yet. There have been 2 preseason games to look at Dillard and Howard and haven't seen Warring yet. A reach for Howard, maybe but then maybe they planned to take him in the first. And maybe they didn't but then Philly forced their hand
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Fair enough we'll see. Tytus should be a good guard at least
 
JB said:
Was Dillard + a 3rd better than Howard? There were numerous reports the Texans (and others) were very high on Howard, not much mention of Dillard other than draftniks were very high on him
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This is why they are the Texans and why Watson will be taking another beating this year.
 
dream_team said:
Exactly, but people keep referring to the Texans as not willing to trade a 3rd to acquire Dillard. They are mostly just working on the assumption that they had the opportunity to make that counter offer and the Ravens would have accepted.
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I think McClain reported this.

Now the posters that thought Howard is better than Dillard are in full revisionist mode. I tried to tell y'all but posters only hear what they want to hear and believe whatever the Texans org throws out there.
 
steelbtexan said:
I think McClain reported this.

Now the posters that thought Howard is better than Dillard are in full revisionist mode. I tried to tell y'all but posters only hear what they want to hear and believe whatever the Texans org throws out there.
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I haven't heard this. Unless someone provides a link, still considering it as not true.
 
dream_team said:
I haven't heard this. Unless someone provides a link, still considering it as not true.
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A poster was saying he saw an article where McClain reported this but it was removed. I never saw it.

I suspect they tried to trade up and screwed up or just didn't want to give up a 3rd.
 
McClain did post it. The first day he reported it as requiring our 5th rd pick. The second day, that report was removed and replaced with a post saying that Gaine had stated that a 3rd rd pick was too much. I've been searching every way I know, but am unable to find it. Most of the folks on here seem to think that there was no blunder .... that Howard and Dillard are fairly equal in value. In stead of bashing each other about it, I ask you to look back at our offensive line selections/acquisitions - under this regime. Rankin, Davenport, Martin, Sua Filo .... come on guys .... even a blind hog occasionally finds an acorn. We do not evaluate offensive line talent well. I believe that until we do, we will never get a ring .... and we could see a repeat of the cruel death of David Carr !
 
Here is the article McClain has now:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...keaways-from-Texans-first-day-of-13797251.php

Gaine passes up trade

There were reports in the national media this week the Texans were trying to trade up from their 23rd spot in the first round to get Washington State left tackle Andre Dillard and that they were shopping outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney. Neither proved to be true.

When it was Baltimore's turn to make the 22nd pick one spot ahead of the Texans, the Ravens traded their draft choice to Philadelphia. The Eagles took Dillard.


It should have been obvious to everyone Gaine wasn't interested in dealing up to get Dillard, or he would have done it. The Eagles traded fourth- and sixth-round choices to get Dillard. Gaine didn't have a fourth-round selection, and he didn't want to part with his third-round pick. He was happy to let the Eagles get Dillard before he took Tytus Howard, who should play tackle with the Texans.
 
Tweet from @AaronWilson_NFL: Bill O'Brien on Senio Kelemete lining up at center: 'He's had a good camp. He's a very versatile player. He's done a good job.'
 
TheKDog said:
Here is the article McClain has now:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...keaways-from-Texans-first-day-of-13797251.php

Gaine passes up trade

There were reports in the national media this week the Texans were trying to trade up from their 23rd spot in the first round to get Washington State left tackle Andre Dillard and that they were shopping outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney. Neither proved to be true.

When it was Baltimore's turn to make the 22nd pick one spot ahead of the Texans, the Ravens traded their draft choice to Philadelphia. The Eagles took Dillard.


It should have been obvious to everyone Gaine wasn't interested in dealing up to get Dillard, or he would have done it. The Eagles traded fourth- and sixth-round choices to get Dillard. Gaine didn't have a fourth-round selection, and he didn't want to part with his third-round pick. He was happy to let the Eagles get Dillard before he took Tytus Howard, who should play tackle with the Texans.
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Is that the article verbatim? I don't have an account to view the article.
 
justmy2cents said:
McClain did post it. The first day he reported it as requiring our 5th rd pick. The second day, that report was removed and replaced with a post saying that Gaine had stated that a 3rd rd pick was too much. I've been searching every way I know, but am unable to find it. Most of the folks on here seem to think that there was no blunder .... that Howard and Dillard are fairly equal in value. In stead of bashing each other about it, I ask you to look back at our offensive line selections/acquisitions - under this regime. Rankin, Davenport, Martin, Sua Filo .... come on guys .... even a blind hog occasionally finds an acorn. We do not evaluate offensive line talent well. I believe that until we do, we will never get a ring .... and we could see a repeat of the cruel death of David Carr !
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End thread
 
TheKDog said:
Here is the article McClain has now:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...keaways-from-Texans-first-day-of-13797251.php

Gaine passes up trade

There were reports in the national media this week the Texans were trying to trade up from their 23rd spot in the first round to get Washington State left tackle Andre Dillard and that they were shopping outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney. Neither proved to be true.

When it was Baltimore's turn to make the 22nd pick one spot ahead of the Texans, the Ravens traded their draft choice to Philadelphia. The Eagles took Dillard.


It should have been obvious to everyone Gaine wasn't interested in dealing up to get Dillard, or he would have done it. The Eagles traded fourth- and sixth-round choices to get Dillard. Gaine didn't have a fourth-round selection, and he didn't want to part with his third-round pick. He was happy to let the Eagles get Dillard before he took Tytus Howard, who should play tackle with the Texans.
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A mention of former GM Gaine.

Could this be the reason why.
 
TheKDog said:
It should have been obvious to everyone Gaine wasn't interested in dealing up to get Dillard, or he would have done it. The Eagles traded fourth- and sixth-round choices to get Dillard. Gaine didn't have a fourth-round selection, and he didn't want to part with his third-round pick. He was happy to let the Eagles get Dillard before he took Tytus Howard, who should play tackle with the Texans.
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That's still an opinion. Not a report that they passed on Dillard.
 
Max said:
Was wondering what nickname we'd come up w/ for Scharping. Love this one.
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Decided to go with it as when talking rather than typing, auto edit kept using it rather than his name which I had saved. On another point if we had taken Dillard who would have been our left guard? Would RJohn be as good at OG as he has at LT? I am still good with it as is. I choose not to Live in what may have been especially as what did occur has me optimistic.
 
Senio Kelemete shows versatility, lines up at center

No longer assured of a starting job, veteran offensive lineman Senio Kelemete is in a battle for a roster spot as a top backup.


Entering the second year of a three-year, $12 million contract, Kelemete has primarily worked with the second-team offense at left guard behind rookie first-round draft pick Tytus Howard.

Now that Howard is out with a broken finger and center Nick Martin is back from a hamstring injury with Zach Fulton back to guard after filling in for Martin, Kelemete has lined up at center in practice.

The former Arizona Cardinals fifth-round draft pick and New Orleans Saints started 14 games last season, missing two due to injuries.

"He's had a good camp," Texans coach Bill O'Brien said. "He's a very versatile player. He can play a lot of different spots. It's good to have a guy like that."

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
 
badboy said:
Decided to go with it as when talking rather than typing, auto edit kept using it rather than his name which I had saved. On another point if we had taken Dillard who would have been our left guard? Would RJohn be as good at OG as he has at LT? I am still good with it as is. I choose not to Live in what may have been especially as what did occur has me optimistic.
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I would guess Kelemente. Fulton or sharpie also could have
 
TheKDog said:
I would guess Kelemente. Fulton or sharpie also could have
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Perhaps. I just really like Fulton at Center as I don't see Martin or Mancz as a starter. I prefer Sharpie on the right side. Kelemete should be cut if cannot start at center.
 
badboy said:
This is why I was hoping Rankin could eventually start at Right Guard allowing Sharpie to move to right tackle. Could yet happen as I don't see O'Brien cutting Rankin just yet.
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I'm with you on that but FWIW Patrick Starr has the Texans keeping Senio Kelemete instead of Rankin which I doubt.
 
IDEXAN said:
I'm with you on that but FWIW Patrick Starr has the Texans keeping Senio Kelemete instead of Rankin which I doubt.
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Cutting Kalil saves $3.25m, Kelemete $2.25m. Rankin 180,000 IIRC. Has the 3rd rounder played worse than the FAs? I think Starr has it wrong but we'll know soon.
 
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