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FIRE O'BRIEN NOW!!!

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so loud it got Gaine fired.
...I wonder if that's what "alignment" means...

The Athletic's Matthew Fairburn has an article that Beane's has quotes in.

It appears Gaine was let go because of the racial lawsuit former security coordinator Jeff Pope brought against the Texans. Not a good look since Pope was allegedly falsifying payroll/overtime records. Gaine is back working in Buffalo. They did an investigation and found the allegations to be baseless.

If you ask why Cletus fired Gaine I will give you the same reason for why he didn't stand up to Kraft/Belichick, Cletus has no balls.
 
The Athletic's Matthew Fairburn has an article that Beane's has quotes in.

It appears Gaine was let go because of the racial lawsuit former security coordinator Jeff Pope brought against the Texans. Not a good look since Pope was allegedly falsifying payroll/overtime records. Gaine is back working in Buffalo. They did an investigation and found the allegations to be baseless.

If you ask why Cletus fired Gaine I will give you the same reason for why he didn't stand up to Kraft/Belichick, Cletus has no balls.

"it appears" is a pretty good indication that the author can't prove a damn thing that he says after those two words.
 
Since OB comes from the BB coaching tree, can you imagine, in your wildest dreams, BB stating in a press conference that knowing a rule that affected a play, that the ref's messed up, would say that it wasn't his job to inform the refs after they messed it up? BB would get thrown out of the game over that. OB says it's not his job to tell the refs their job. And SBT says Cletus has no balls. It's easy to act like OB when you have a title. It's accepted to act like BB when you have the bona fide's.
 
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Since OB comes from the BB coaching tree, can you imagine, in your wildest dreams, BB stating in a press conference that knowing a rule that affected a play, that the ref's messed up, would say that it wasn't his job to inform the refs after they messed it up? BB would get thrown out of the game over that. OB says it's not his job to tell the refs their job. And SBT says Cletus has no balls. It's easy to act like OB when you have a title. It's accepted to act like BB when you have the bona fide's.

If recent history is anything to go by its everybody's job to tell the refs when they mess up except for, you know, the NFL itself.
 
If BOB leaves and if the Carolina Panthers fire Ron Rivera for not making the playoffs again, The Texans should go after him, if the Panthers let him go
 
If BOB leaves and if the Carolina Panthers fire Ron Rivera for not making the playoffs again, The Texans should go after him, if the Panthers let him go

Ron’s a defensive minded head coach. I know it’s easier said than done, but I’d like to go bold like the Rams and find a younger offensive minded head coach, like Mcvay. I think zac Taylor would’ve been a good fit but unfortunately we didn’t pull the trigger and let OB go and he went to the bengals. But I want someone like that who can continue to help deshaun perform at a really high level.

My early top 5 would be Dabo, Lincoln Riley, Chris Petersen, Eric Bienemy, and Todd Monken. The last 2 are most realistic because you’re not having to ask them to leave lucrative CFB jobs that they’re currently excelling in, or having to pay them a boatload of money to do so. Monken has been great for Cleveland and for Bienemy, the last two Chiefs OC’s that have left, have gone on to be (thus far) successful HC’s.
 
If BOB leaves and if the Carolina Panthers fire Ron Rivera for not making the playoffs again, The Texans should go after him, if the Panthers let him go

Why in the hell would you want Rivera over BoB? That's like saying you'd rather get ran over by a Ford than ran over by a Chevy. If we're going to replace the coaching staff and we can't get a proven winner, and no one flash season does not make Rivera a proven winner, then lets get someone that at least looks good on paper.
 
McVay is overrated as a HC/offensive guru...& people have been getting a preview into that the last few years.

I don't know if he's overrated per say but I will say that the NFC as a whole these last couple of years have been very weak. Every team in our division, considered the weakest, had a better record than most teams in the NFC.
 
I don't know if he's overrated per say but I will say that the NFC as a whole these last couple of years have been very weak. Every team in our division, considered the weakest, had a better record than most teams in the NFC.

He's still a pretty good HC imo, but it still remains to be seen how much of the Rams success is him & how much is the talent he's had from day 1. This is the 2nd year now where his offense has significantly dropped off in the playoffs from its regular season avg where we've seen them avg. 30+ ppg each of those years. But in the 4 playoff games in those 2 years, they've only come close to hitting that once.

& as we saw in the SB, when teams decide to take away Gurley....or as was the case in the NFC championship game and SB, when Gurley's not 100% McVay's offense looks........BoB-ish.
 
McVay is overrated as a HC/offensive guru...& people have been getting a preview into that the last few years.

The Rams were a mediocre team before him. Jared Goff was looking like a bust. He led them to the Super Bowl last year as well as the number 2 offensive ranking in the NFL. Regardless, imagine him with the weapons we have. Jared Goff is not a better QB than Deshaun Watson. They do not have a better supporting cast. Better OL, yes. They had a dynamic zone run/west coast scheme with easy reads and pre snap adjustments that took a lot of pressure off of Goff. That’s exactly what you want to do for a young QB. You don’t come in and ask them to be the same cerebral player as Tom Brady. It just doesn’t work that way.

Comparison. McVay emphasizes a strong running game, and quick passing game to exploit mismatches. Very similar to his mentor shanahan and Sean Payton. He wants to strike early and often and isn’t afraid to take chances to win a game. Bill O’Brien’s chief philosophy is controlling the clock through the running game, and long developing routes in the passing game. We have a scat back that he tried to bulk up into a 3 down between the tackle work horse. He is also very conservative. He plays to not lose a game rather than to win. This doesn’t work in today’s NFL. The league values offense and points over anything.
 
The Rams were a mediocre team before him. Jared Goff was looking like a bust. He led them to the Super Bowl last year as well as the number 2 offensive ranking in the NFL. Regardless, imagine him with the weapons we have. Jared Goff is not a better QB than Deshaun Watson. They do not have a better supporting cast. Better OL, yes. They had a dynamic zone run/west coast scheme with easy reads and pre snap adjustments that took a lot of pressure off of Goff. That’s exactly what you want to do for a young QB. You don’t come in and ask them to be the same cerebral player as Tom Brady. It just doesn’t work that way.

Comparison. McVay emphasizes a strong running game, and quick passing game to exploit mismatches. Very similar to his mentor shanahan and Sean Payton. He wants to strike early and often and isn’t afraid to take chances to win a game. Bill O’Brien’s chief philosophy is controlling the clock through the running game, and long developing routes in the passing game. We have a scat back that he tried to bulk up into a 3 down between the tackle work horse. He is also very conservative. He plays to not lose a game rather than to win. This doesn’t work in today’s NFL. The league values offense and points over anything.

Like an actual scheme huh
 
The Rams were a mediocre team before him. Jared Goff was looking like a bust. He led them to the Super Bowl last year as well as the number 2 offensive ranking in the NFL. Regardless, imagine him with the weapons we have. Jared Goff is not a better QB than Deshaun Watson. They do not have a better supporting cast. Better OL, yes. They had a dynamic zone run/west coast scheme with easy reads and pre snap adjustments that took a lot of pressure off of Goff. That’s exactly what you want to do for a young QB. You don’t come in and ask them to be the same cerebral player as Tom Brady. It just doesn’t work that way.

Comparison. McVay emphasizes a strong running game, and quick passing game to exploit mismatches. Very similar to his mentor shanahan and Sean Payton. He wants to strike early and often and isn’t afraid to take chances to win a game. Bill O’Brien’s chief philosophy is controlling the clock through the running game, and long developing routes in the passing game. We have a scat back that he tried to bulk up into a 3 down between the tackle work horse. He is also very conservative. He plays to not lose a game rather than to win. This doesn’t work in today’s NFL. The league values offense and points over anything.


They were mediocre before him, but they didn’t have all the talent either. Fisher only really had Donald and Gurley. Goff was drafted the year McVay came on and through FA they subsequently added Cooks, Talib, Suh, Fowler, Peters, ....found CJ Anderson on his couch late when they needed him to fill in. All those guys were major contributors to the SB run & all were added just last year. Robert Woods and Whiteorth 2 other big contributor were brought in via FA in McVay’s 1st year as well.

And controlling the clock and picking your spots to be aggressive works just fine in the league today..it’s basically what the patriots have done for the last 20 years.

McVay tries to formation u to death and then uses the play action pass to strike deep. The plays themselves are the same. But as we saw here with Kubiak’s system over many years, that type of offense falls apart when your stud Rb is taken out of the game. The play action becomes less effective and your offense looks like trash. Gurley was already hurt in the SB, but Belichick made sure to take him completely out of the game with his defensive strategy and u saw what that offense became. 3 funky ass points. And for a supposed offensive boy wonder whose offense avg 30 ppg that shouldn’t have ever been possible.

You can’t sit up and say Goff isn’t all that good b/c he was one of the biggest reasons they got to the SB. Late in that NFCCG he was damn good...made some heads up throws when they needed it most and he outplayed Brees down the stretch.
 
If Kliff Kingsbury can get a head coach gig then we should just go for the man, the myth, the legend the guy who started it all ... Mike Leach!!
 
He's still a pretty good HC imo, but it still remains to be seen how much of the Rams success is him & how much is the talent he's had from day 1. This is the 2nd year now where his offense has significantly dropped off in the playoffs from its regular season avg where we've seen them avg. 30+ ppg each of those years. But in the 4 playoff games in those 2 years, they've only come close to hitting that once.

& as we saw in the SB, when teams decide to take away Gurley....or as was the case in the NFC championship game and SB, when Gurley's not 100% McVay's offense looks........BoB-ish.


Gurley was hurt
 
They were mediocre before him, but they didn’t have all the talent either. Fisher only really had Donald and Gurley. Goff was drafted the year McVay came on and through FA they subsequently added Cooks, Talib, Suh, Fowler, Peters, ....found CJ Anderson on his couch late when they needed him to fill in. All those guys were major contributors to the SB run & all were added just last year. Robert Woods and Whiteorth 2 other big contributor were brought in via FA in McVay’s 1st year as well.

And controlling the clock and picking your spots to be aggressive works just fine in the league today..it’s basically what the patriots have done for the last 20 years.

McVay tries to formation u to death and then uses the play action pass to strike deep. The plays themselves are the same. But as we saw here with Kubiak’s system over many years, that type of offense falls apart when your stud Rb is taken out of the game. The play action becomes less effective and your offense looks like trash. Gurley was already hurt in the SB, but Belichick made sure to take him completely out of the game with his defensive strategy and u saw what that offense became. 3 funky ass points. And for a supposed offensive boy wonder whose offense avg 30 ppg that shouldn’t have ever been possible.

You can’t sit up and say Goff isn’t all that good b/c he was one of the biggest reasons they got to the SB. Late in that NFCCG he was damn good...made some heads up throws when they needed it most and he outplayed Brees down the stretch.


The talent you mentioned is all on the defensive side of the ball. And fisher had Goff his rookie year. It was when McVay came in that Goff made leaps and bounds as a passer. Turned Robert Woods, a former journeyman WR and Bills castoff into a legit #1/2 receiver with essentially the same pieces fisher did on offense. I believe they brought in whitworth on the left side after fisher left, but it’s not like they traded for a bunch of all pro talent after fisher. They simply improved because of coaching
 
The talent you mentioned is all on the defensive side of the ball. And fisher had Goff his rookie year. It was when McVay came in that Goff made leaps and bounds as a passer. Turned Robert Woods, a former journeyman WR and Bills castoff into a legit #1/2 receiver with essentially the same pieces fisher did on offense. I believe they brought in whitworth on the left side after fisher left, but it’s not like they traded for a bunch of all pro talent after fisher. They simply improved because of coaching

Improved b/c of coaching my ass. Dude's been fielding a virtual pro bowl team from day 1 & virtually all their big time playmakers and studs on offense save for Gurley & Goff came in McVay's 1st season via the draft or FA.

Cooks as a #1 WR threat
Kupp.....drafted 2017
Whitworth 2X all pro
Robert Woods was already a legit #2 in Buffalo its just that noone really knew about him b/c he was up in football purgatory with no qb in Buffalo. He was routinely catching 50 -60 receptions a season & if u look at his numbers there & compare them to his 1st season in LA, they match. His numbers only jumped up significantly last year due to the absence of Kupp and the addition of Cooks.

Those are all significant additions on offense that McVay has had since day 1. You add in the additions on defense & he's never known anything else.
 
The talent you mentioned is all on the defensive side of the ball. And fisher had Goff his rookie year. It was when McVay came in that Goff made leaps and bounds as a passer. Turned Robert Woods, a former journeyman WR and Bills castoff into a legit #1/2 receiver with essentially the same pieces fisher did on offense. I believe they brought in whitworth on the left side after fisher left, but it’s not like they traded for a bunch of all pro talent after fisher. They simply improved because of coaching
Agreed. If Watson looks like he does now with O'Brien, I can't imagine what he'd look like with a real OC.
 
Improved b/c of coaching my ass. Dude's been fielding a virtual pro bowl team from day 1 & virtually all their big time playmakers and studs on offense save for Gurley & Goff came in McVay's 1st season via the draft or FA.

Cooks as a #1 WR threat
Kupp.....drafted 2017
Whitworth 2X all pro
Robert Woods was already a legit #2 in Buffalo its just that noone really knew about him b/c he was up in football purgatory with no qb in Buffalo. He was routinely catching 50 -60 receptions a season & if u look at his numbers there & compare them to his 1st season in LA, they match. His numbers only jumped up significantly last year due to the absence of Kupp and the addition of Cooks.

Those are all significant additions on offense that McVay has had since day 1. You add in the additions on defense & he's never known anything else.

On paper they’re not better than us. OL, yes. Other than that, no. Fuller is just as good as cooks. Just has to stay healthy. Hopkins is the best WR in the league. Miller is a serviceable back when used properly. Call him overrated, whatever, I’d take him every day over OB and I truly expect that we would be a MUCH better football team
 
On paper they’re not better than us. OL, yes. Other than that, no. Fuller is just as good as cooks. Just has to stay healthy. Hopkins is the best WR in the league. Miller is a serviceable back when used properly. Call him overrated, whatever, I’d take him every day over OB and I truly expect that we would be a MUCH better football team

Agreed Fuller is as good when he can stay healthy and when he was healthy we were hanging 30 points a game on teams. The key part there is stay healthy. Yes Hopkins is amazing but when other teams know he is the only WR that Watson can throw to it makes it easy figure out ways to shut that down. Doesn't help that Hopkins skill set is to win match ups not break away from defenders. Agree entirely on Miller and why they keep running him up the middle I have no clue.

As I said before I wouldn't call him overrated per say but I do think people are jumping the gun a bit on him. The NFC is very weak as a whole and it would have been the Saints in the SB last year if not for the worst call in NFL history. If you dropped the Texans into an NFC division last year yeah I think we would destroyed all the teams except the Saints, Rams and Chargers.
 
Tweet from @GrahamBarfield: Bill O’Brien is one of the NFL’s most sub-optimal play callers. These facts are mind-blowing, especially behind a bad OL. Via @SharpFootball:

- Run on 62% of first-downs in first halves of games last year (NFL-high)
- Run on 53% of plays after 1st down incompletions (NFL-high)
 
Agreed Fuller is as good when he can stay healthy and when he was healthy we were hanging 30 points a game on teams. The key part there is stay healthy. Yes Hopkins is amazing but when other teams know he is the only WR that Watson can throw to it makes it easy figure out ways to shut that down. Doesn't help that Hopkins skill set is to win match ups not break away from defenders. Agree entirely on Miller and why they keep running him up the middle I have no clue.

As I said before I wouldn't call him overrated per say but I do think people are jumping the gun a bit on him. The NFC is very weak as a whole and it would have been the Saints in the SB last year if not for the worst call in NFL history. If you dropped the Texans into an NFC division last year yeah I think we would destroyed all the teams except the Saints, Rams and Chargers.
If the Chargers make the list, I think the Colts should be on top of that list... :kitten:
 
Tweet from @GrahamBarfield: Bill O’Brien is one of the NFL’s most sub-optimal play callers. These facts are mind-blowing, especially behind a bad OL. Via @SharpFootball:

- Run on 62% of first-downs in first halves of games last year (NFL-high)
- Run on 53% of plays after 1st down incompletions (NFL-high)



@GrahamBarfield: @MattHarmon_BYB @SharpFootball So, so bad. O’Brien makes it worse by not using play-action nearly enough either. HOU was league average in PA last year (24%) with Deshaun freaking Watson
 
Tweet from @GrahamBarfield: Bill O’Brien is one of the NFL’s most sub-optimal play callers. These facts are mind-blowing, especially behind a bad OL. Via @SharpFootball:

- Run on 62% of first-downs in first halves of games last year (NFL-high)
- Run on 53% of plays after 1st down incompletions (NFL-high)

Predictability is a death sentence in the NFL.
 
Really surprised it's that low. He does it so much that I have friends and family that are just casually into it that know a run is coming after a 1st down incompletion.

It's probably much higher when the team isn't behind and in pass only mode
 
Tweet from @GrahamBarfield: Bill O’Brien is one of the NFL’s most sub-optimal play callers. These facts are mind-blowing, especially behind a bad OL. Via @SharpFootball:

- Run on 62% of first-downs in first halves of games last year (NFL-high)
- Run on 53% of plays after 1st down incompletions (NFL-high)

Hmmm... play calling? Interesting concept.
 
@GrahamBarfield: @MattHarmon_BYB @SharpFootball So, so bad. O’Brien makes it worse by not using play-action nearly enough either. HOU was league average in PA last year (24%) with Deshaun freaking Watson

It's like he wants Rick's boy to fail or break his neck.
 
Tweet from @GrahamBarfield: Bill O’Brien is one of the NFL’s most sub-optimal play callers. These facts are mind-blowing, especially behind a bad OL. Via @SharpFootball:

- Run on 62% of first-downs in first halves of games last year (NFL-high)
- Run on 53% of plays after 1st down incompletions (NFL-high)

Most casual fans watching from the stands or TV knew or felt this was happening. Like many, I'm not surprised by those stats.
 
Tweet from @GrahamBarfield: Bill O’Brien is one of the NFL’s most sub-optimal play callers. These facts are mind-blowing, especially behind a bad OL. Via @SharpFootball:

- Run on 62% of first-downs in first halves of games last year (NFL-high)
- Run on 53% of plays after 1st down incompletions (NFL-high)

What is the context? 62% is high, but what is league average? What percentage were teams 2-5?

I hate stats that have no context.
 
What is the context? 62% is high, but what is league average? What percentage were teams 2-5?

I hate stats that have no context.

It's by sharp football analysis but looks like their data is paywalled.

Here's more:


@GrahamBarfield: @BenFennell_NFL @SharpFootball But since you asked...

- HOU averaged 5.0 YPC on 1st down carries in the 1st half, but that dips to 4.1 YPC if you eliminate Miller's 95 yard TD run (which would be fifth worst)

- HOU averaged 3.6 YPC on 2nd-and-10 carries (fourth-worst)
 
It's not zero context. The Texans ran the most in those situations.

Ask him on Twitter for the league averages
 
Who's to say if the span was 60-55% for the rest of the league, or it was really skewed? I'd prefer some context as well.
You ask for it, you've got it.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/you-called-a-run-on-first-down-youre-already-screwed/

The Texans were screwed. The league average was 52% (over a period of ten years worth of data).
But at least, they went rush-rush-pass a little less often.

They might have gone rush-rush-rush a bit more than the norm, with Watson running for it though. :firehair:
 
It's by sharp football analysis but looks like their data is paywalled.

Here's more:


@GrahamBarfield: @BenFennell_NFL @SharpFootball But since you asked...

- HOU averaged 5.0 YPC on 1st down carries in the 1st half, but that dips to 4.1 YPC if you eliminate Miller's 95 yard TD run (which would be fifth worst)

- HOU averaged 3.6 YPC on 2nd-and-10 carries (fourth-worst)

Let's see, 5th worse run game and Watson was sacked 62 times. Kinda hard to call plays with an OL that bad.

With that said they dont need Trent Williams. LOL

The whole bunch should be fired and a clean slate is what needs to happen.
 
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