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Tampering charges against the Texans.
If caserio was colluding he would have told them he can't interview
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O'Brien didn't fire Gaine.. Now that IS pure speculation.. his booty hole in the proceeding press conference was extremely tight. He's been put on notice
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Why the hell would you do that if you were colluding with another team? That's the complete opposite of collusion. All that tells me is he was trying to force his way out.. and it's pretty apparent we're still open to wait on him and not even trying to hire anyone else.. That speaks great volumes to me about his desire to leave and what they have already discussed. The fact that the Patriots are now trying to get a pick out of us shows me that they KNOW he's going to leave too. If the Texans bent over and grabbed their ankles in this situation they would be the suckers y'all are claiming them to be.. no way in hell would I trade a first round pick for a guy who is already clearly going to walk.
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infantrycak
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Yippee ka ye
That's McClane.
You hear what you want to hear.
I called for BOB to be fired when RS left and there to be a fresh start.
Bottom line, the McNair's held RS responsible for the mediocrity, or BOB would have been let go when RS left.
Absolutely. Makes perfect sense BO'b would leave his job to help Mrs Rick Smith in her final months on this earth.
That makes no sense. He didn't tell the Texans about his contract?
If mediocrity was the goal then you're correct. The real goal was for the Texans org to squeeze every possible dollar they could out of this community and they've been spectacularly successful in this regard.
I still LOL at guys like you and your the McNair's were hands off owners. I guess some have to learn the hard way. Even if they can't admit their wrong.
Texansballer74
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No I read what I've read ever since Bill O'Brien was here from you. Even when he got the unwarranted extension, you made up a lot of excuses about why he wasn't being successful. You just recently started this, he should've gotten the axe when RS stepped down to be there with his wife during that hard time.
Texansballer74
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Bwhahaha wow you really think they are trying to swindle money out of their consumers bro?
A small price to pay for getting your guy. This is compounded by the fact that Caserio won't be able to become the GM until the 2020 draft.
Apparently if you can't remember what I said when RS stepped down we can't have a discussion. In fact I've been consistent. saying this for the last 2 years. Kinda like back when Gaine was hired I said this was a 3 yr rebuild.
But carry on..
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And you know this how..
They interviewed the man just the year prior. I think that clause in his contract was just overlooked by both parties and now that the Patriots invoked it both parties are now saying "OK.. **** you, we'll wait it out then". Which they now are clearly doing.
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It's a huge price to pay.. we're already going to get the man, have some patience.. almost all of the G.M. work was already complete before we fired Gaine.
Depends on what you consider swindling. If that means doing everything possible to the best players/product on the field then the answer is yes. Nothing has or will change as long as those checks keep cashing and Watt/Hopkins/Watson's careers will end looking like AJ's/ AF's etc .....
If the McNair's even cared about winning then I wouldn't consider them to be like carnival Barker's whenever they speak.
The only way the Texans win a SB is when the team is sold and there's no chance of this happening until Janice passes away and the rest of Bob's kids want their money
A huge price to pay?
Hell 2 drafts ago they didn't even have a 1st or 2nd Rd pick and did quite well. I would say a great gm is worth more than a star level player.
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They didn't have that first because they traded for a franchise QB which is a huge reason why any G.M. wants to come here..
The 2nd pick was just the price to pay to cover up a dumbass decision. Giving up another 1st round pick for a guy who already clearly wants to come here would just be another stupid decision.
After the next draft.
Do you really want the band of idiots currently on Kirby to run the next draft?
I certainly don't.
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Do you really think the Patriots are going to keep this guy on staff for the next draft? I don't.. I mean why would you
Does anyone think Caserio will be in the Pats draft room next year? Or in the building when they meet the Texans in December? Or with the organization on opening day? Or training camp? Caserio can never be trusted again in Foxboro.
Caserio overlooked a very important clause in his contract and you want him to be GM?
Because the Texans requested to interview him and tampered? There wasn't much more than that
The Texans tampered. Then requested an interview. Because they knew Caserio wanted the job. A job the Texans are now holding for Caserio. Which makes Caserio a lame duck in the Patriots organization.
That’s about as clear as I can explain this.
How do they know he wants the job? He didn't even tell them about his contract.
There hasn't been anyone who has said he's interested. They are basing it on the chaplain talking to him at a party
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How fo you know he overlooked and didn't tell the Texans? He may very well have and they thought the Patriots wouldn't force a lame duck season.
If you think Caserio is a great gm then a 1st Rd pick is a small price to pay.
For instance, back in the day, would hiring Ozzie or Wolf been worth a 1st Rd pick? That's definitely a yes. IMHO
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Not when you already have a gentlemen's agreement in order.. Hence why Patriots dropped the charges and why Houston didn't even make a effort to fill the position.
He won't have anything to do with the Pats draft. But the Texans will have to give up the pick or Caserio won't be in charge of the Texans next draft. It's the way BB works and Kraft is reportedly pissed.
BB is all business and until the Texans org becomes as ruthless as the Pats/ B then they will be at a major disadvantage. It seems as though Easterby has brought that mindset with him from Foxboro and that's a good thing.
Neither Ozzie or Wolf would take a job with an organization dumb enough to give up a 1st round pick for their unknown services.
infantrycak
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False question. An accurate one would be was Ozzie or Wolf's 1st year as a GM by itself be worth a 1st, a 1st they won't have during that 1st year?
Who could publicly say that? Caserio while under contract? The Texans who could be charged with tampering? Who? Your asking for evidence that’s impossible to produce.
There have been cases where things like this have happened in the past. I think Tampa even gave up more to Davis for Gruden.
Great leaders in your org are much more important than a 1st rd pick. I mean would you trade KJo for Caserio?
The answer is to get a great GM for a couple of decades. Yes.
infantrycak
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That's the false question again.
Then it sounds like caserio is as big a moron as obrien.
And this is all pure speculation. There have been zero sources on what caserio wants
No evidence of any gentleman's agreement
What evidence do you have that he's a great gm? Because the chaplain said so?
Gruden was a proven head coach. As was Parcells. Caserio would be a 1st time GM.
Maybe a 3rd to end this charade. Maybe just let both sides squirm until one says chicken. No frickin 1st, dude. That would be ridiculous.
There are often reports with quotes like "sources say x is interested in this team". If we don't have that then we have nothing
What's false about the question? Would you give up a 1st rd pick for 2 decades of having a great GM. The Bucs did this so they could get a HC that could lead them to a SB after yrs of failure under Dungy.
Was a SB victory worth a 1st rd pick and more to Bucs fans? You better believe it was.
What's false about the question? Would you give up a 1st rd pick for 2 decades of having a great GM. The Bucs did this so they could get a HC that could lead them to a SB after yrs of failure under Dungy.
Was a SB victory worth a 1st rd pick and more to Bucs fans? You better believe it was.
I dont, but if Cal thinks this is the guy to bring a Lombardi to Kirby a 1st rd pick is a small price to pay. If Cal doesn't believe Caserio is the guy to bring a championship to Houston then he shouldn't be hiring him in the 1st place.
Read post 593 for my thoughts.
infantrycak
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You're only getting 10 mos extra for the 1st.
Didn’t you dismiss a report out of Boston that said Caserio wanted to go to the Texans because there were not named sources?
No, I dismissed it because there were no sources at all. They don't have to be named
The violin piece was just opinion
How would cal know?
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Again I'm just reading the tea leaves.. which are obvious.