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Trent Williams LT Available

TheKDog said:
No O'Brien didn't elevate the atrocious ol play. It was atrocious as you say.

And we know it was so bad because he played the guys at the wrong positions until the middle of the season. After that it at least looked like it could provide minimal protection.
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what he fail to realize is Obrien built this atrocious offensive line. Bwhahaha
 
Texas Jake said:
The defense could not make the stops when it mattered most. Fact not opinion.
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The offense went ultra Conservative causing the defense to finally get winded ,which resulted in a lose.

So tell the entire story verse attempting to falsely blame the defense like that.
 
Reading stories, health scare was a removal of growth on skull, so assuming things check out and he is healthy, I would float a 2nd to him, His PED, health, and age, plus he would likely want a contract redo means you need to be in the Duane area. I do agree Tytus is not owed anything, and it gives them a vet to learn from and a anchor. Goodbye Mr Kalil. This is all speculation, but if he wants to force Washington we have seen it done
 
281Texan said:
Let’s see how he does this year against a good schedule. I’m not betting on him. QUOTE]
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People kill me with this here.

The best defense we face next year outside of our own divisional opponents according to last year's finishes will be the Chargers who finished 8th in overall total D...the saints after them who were 14th. Last year however, we were able to beat the #2 (Buf), #5 (Den), #6 (Jax twice), #9 (Dal) and #10 (Indy once) overall defenses.

So.....Yes, overall the qbs we face next year will be much better than those we faced last year but the onus here won't necessarily be on BoB & the offense unless we still struggle to score TD's; It will be on Crennel to slow those qb's down enough.
 
Rich Schmidt said:
Reading stories, health scare was a removal of growth on skull, so assuming things check out and he is healthy, I would float a 2nd to him, His PED, health, and age, plus he would likely want a contract redo means you need to be in the Duane area. I do agree Tytus is not owed anything, and it gives them a vet to learn from and a anchor. Goodbye Mr Kalil. This is all speculation, but if he wants to force Washington we have seen it done
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Williams has yet to publicly confirm these speculations. Best friend Petersen has stated he doesn’t know where these rumors are coming from. Teams coaches and FO haven’t heard him make these comments. I’m beginning to smell his agent.
 
Porky said:
I would offer a 2nd, and if absolutely necessary go to a 1st or 2 #2's.

I'm also open to including Clowney who hasn't managed to learn the definition of off-sides yet. I am not a big Clown fan. I'd excise that boil in a minute to get Trent Williams - a 7 time pro-bowler.
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I think Clowney is a very valuable player but he’s disgruntled due to his contract and if we can trade him for Trent I’d be Ll over it.
 
maverick512000 said:
Third best LT that has only completed 2 seasons. There is no way in hell I'd give up next year's first, you don't lose your 1st for a guy that you are hoping to get "10-12 games a year" out of. I might go up to a second but anything added to that would be conditional. There are other needs and the OT draft is looking to be deep next year.
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How many seasons did he finish on IR? If he's able to play in the playoffs that's all that matters.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Here we go again with another wrong take concerning money. This have offered big time money to those left tackles you wanted. One wanted to keep his kid close to his doctors. While the other one took the largest contract ( highest paid at his position)

Please stop painting that false narrative
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Not the most money .

2nd place is the 1st place loser saying certainly applies to the Texans org.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm impressed this thread has 5 pages of posts, started at noon.

& we know it ain't going to happen.
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steelbtexan said:
Two 2nd's or I might even give up next yrs 1st. You're not talking about some run of the mill LT here. You're talking about the 3rd best LT in the NFL. Bring him home.

LT Leon Gray (Gave up a 1st) was the best trade the Luv Ya Blue Oilers ever made. Minus the Earl trade. Those trades kind of went hand in hand.

Point is sometimes you have to take chances if you want to be a contender.
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A 1st rounder is to high for a guy that is up there in age and is only locked in for this year and the next. He has also had injury problems here and there as well. I'd be okay parting with a 2nd though or some kind of package.
 
If the Texans are picking say 23rd next yr, who are they going to draft that will be better than Williams is and they have the cap room available.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I think Clowney is a very valuable player but he’s disgruntled due to his contract and if we can trade him for Trent I’d be Ll over it.
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Personally, I don't project that the Texans will resign Clowney. So with that being said, I think some sort of package involving both would make a lot of sense for both teams especially if the Redskins had a high interest in resigning Clowney to a big deal.
 
Texansballer74 said:
The offense went ultra Conservative causing the defense to finally get winded ,which resulted in a lose.

So tell the entire story verse attempting to falsely blame the defense like that.
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When you get the go ahead score at the end of the game, the defense needs to make the stop. That is what championship defenses do. In the playoff game the defense allowed them to get in a hole early by allowing Indy to March down the field at will and good QBs repeatedly torched the secondary all year. Say what you want, the defense was part of the problem. It wasn't all on the offense.

I know this is not a popular opinion, but I think BOB did a good job with what he was working with last year: a pitifull poor offensive line and depelted receiving corps as the injuries piled up. IMO winning 11 games was over achieving. Now how much blame is on BOB for the above stated problems (namely the poor OL), that is an entirely different question.
 
Mr teX said:
People kill me with this here.

The best defense we face next year outside of our own divisional opponents according to last year's finishes will be the Chargers who finished 8th in overall total D...the saints after them who were 14th. Last year however, we were able to beat the #2 (Buf), #5 (Den), #6 (Jax twice), #9 (Dal) and #10 (Indy once) overall defenses.

So.....Yes, overall the qbs we face next year will be much better than those we faced last year but the onus here won't necessarily be on BoB & the offense unless we still struggle to score TD's; It will be on Crennel to slow those qb's down enough.
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We played 4 playoff teams in 2018 (Colts twice so 5) We play 6 in 2019 (Colts twice so 7) Then you factor in that Jacksonville got their QB. So potentially 9. Then you factor in that the Falcons still have one of the best QB's/offensive weapons/offense in general in the game so potentially 10. We play 3 of the final 4 teams, one of them who beats us every year and unsurprisingly won the super bowl again last year.

Before the season started, we had the 32nd rank strength of schedule last year. This year, it's the 5th. And I'm not nearly as confident in our defense as I was last year. Yes, we still have one of the better front 7's in football with Watt/Clowney (if he stays)/Reader/Cunningham/Mckinney/Merci, BUT, our secondary is mostly iffy/unproven. We have JJo who had a pretty good year but couldn't keep up with the faster and twitchier receivers in the NFL. We brought in Roby on a prove it deal who had an up and down career in Denver. We got Lonnie Johnson who looks the part but may not be ready to contribute in 2019, and, imo, we downgraded (slightly) from Tyrann to Gipson at one of the safety positons. We also lost Andre Hal, who was a great 3rd safety for us.

All in all, yes, I would be highly surprised if we reach the mark we did last year. If the rookies can start day 1 and keep Deshaun upright for the most part I say we're looking at anywhere between 7-9 to 9-7. If they're not ready to go and we have to rely on Kalil, or even worse Davenport, I think it could get real ugly in a hurry.
 
281Texan said:
We played 4 playoff teams in 2018 (Colts twice so 5) We play 6 in 2019 (Colts twice so 7) Then you factor in that Jacksonville got their QB. So potentially 9. Then you factor in that the Falcons still have one of the best QB's/offensive weapons/offense in general in the game so potentially 10. We play 3 of the final 4 teams, one of them who beats us every year and unsurprisingly won the super bowl again last year.

Before the season started, we had the 32nd rank strength of schedule last year. This year, it's the 5th. And I'm not nearly as confident in our defense as I was last year. Yes, we still have one of the better front 7's in football with Watt/Clowney (if he stays)/Reader/Cunningham/Mckinney/Merci, BUT, our secondary is mostly iffy/unproven. We have JJo who had a pretty good year but couldn't keep up with the faster and twitchier receivers in the NFL. We brought in Roby on a prove it deal who had an up and down career in Denver. We got Lonnie Johnson who looks the part but may not be ready to contribute in 2019, and, imo, we downgraded (slightly) from Tyrann to Gipson at one of the safety positons. We also lost Andre Hal, who was a great 3rd safety for us.

All in all, yes, I would be highly surprised if we reach the mark we did last year. If the rookies can start day 1 and keep Deshaun upright for the most part I say we're looking at anywhere between 7-9 to 9-7. If they're not ready to go and we have to rely on Kalil, or even worse Davenport, I think it could get real ugly in a hurry.
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I agree with you that we have a more difficult schedule and matching last year's record will be hard to do. I am more optimistic than you, but fully recognize that there is a good chance the team could crash this season. I like the personnel moves they made, you not so much. Irregardless of whether we like them or not you never know how the new personnel will work out until its proved on the field one way or the other.

I think Gipson is an improvement over Tyrann. I think he fits what the secondary needs more than HB. He is better in coverage and can cover TEs. HB proved to be a liability in coverage at times. We added speed to the secondary. That is something that was lacking last year. Hopefully we can play more man, bump and run, tight cover this year. If we can, that will be a game changer and go a long way towards preventing another Philly fiasco and help get us past the Colts.
 
Mr teX said:
People kill me with this here.

The best defense we face next year outside of our own divisional opponents according to last year's finishes will be the Chargers who finished 8th in overall total D...the saints after them who were 14th. Last year however, we were able to beat the #2 (Buf), #5 (Den), #6 (Jax twice), #9 (Dal) and #10 (Indy once) overall defenses.

So.....Yes, overall the qbs we face next year will be much better than those we faced last year but the onus here won't necessarily be on BoB & the offense unless we still struggle to score TD's; It will be on Crennel to slow those qb's down enough.
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Yep some people dont get this.

Getting Williams would allow the offense to be as dynamic as any in the NFL and would also help the defense. There's no real defense against trading for him if a 1st is enough.
 
Texas Jake said:
When you get the go ahead score at the end of the game, the defense needs to make the stop. That is what championship defenses do. In the playoff game the defense allowed them to get in a hole early by allowing Indy to March down the field at will and good QBs repeatedly torched the secondary all year. Say what you want, the defense was part of the problem. It wasn't all on the offense.

I know this is not a popular opinion, but I think BOB did a good job with what he was working with last year: a pitifull poor offensive line and depelted receiving corps as the injuries piled up. IMO winning 11 games was over achieving. Now how much blame is on BOB for the above stated problems (namely the poor OL), that is an entirely different question.
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That only happened a few times. Just like the defense forcing the opposing opponents offense to go three and out on numerous occasions. But Obrien still went Conservative because he was trying to lean on the running game and defense. You can not do that knowing your defensive secondary is so depleted like it was last season and seasons before.

My thing is show some freaking killer instinct for a consistent change. I've seen him run up the score maybe twice.
 
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Mr teX said:
People kill me with this here.

The best defense we face next year outside of our own divisional opponents according to last year's finishes will be the Chargers who finished 8th in overall total D...the saints after them who were 14th. Last year however, we were able to beat the #2 (Buf), #5 (Den), #6 (Jax twice), #9 (Dal) and #10 (Indy once) overall defenses.

So.....Yes, overall the qbs we face next year will be much better than those we faced last year but the onus here won't necessarily be on BoB & the offense unless we still struggle to score TD's; It will be on Crennel to slow those qb's down enough.
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Yep some people dont get this.

Getting Williams would allow the offense to be as dynamic as any in the NFL and would also help the defense. There's no real defense against trading for him if a 1st is enough.
Texansballer74 said:
Here we go again with another wrong take concerning money. This have offered big time money to those left tackles you wanted. One wanted to keep his kid close to his doctors. While the other one took the largest contract ( highest paid at his position)

Please stop painting that false narrative
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Believe what you want.

The false narrative is that the Texans aren't a cheap ass org.
 
It would be nice to not repeat “if all they needed was (fill in the blank position), I’d say spend the draft capital but they still need this, this and that” year after year. But they followed up another inactive FA period with some question marks to try and address serious deficiencies at multiple positions.

We’ve got to get a little closer to the dream. And I for one am not going to be saying next year “well guys, let’s see what they do in the draft, I’m sure they tried awfully hard but...” if they sit on their thumbs. Or if they are incapable of making Houston look like a desirable city to live and the Texans a franchise free agents should want to play for.
 
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steelbtexan said:
You can't stand the 17 year history can you.

You can make whatever posts you want. But this is a cheap ass franchise.
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Why do you even follow what you believe is a cheap organization? I mean please go compare their contracts up against the rest of the NFL franchises. And I bet we're in the top 10 most years. JJ when he got his new contract at that time was the highest paid defensive lineman in the f'n NFL. Hopkins contract was top 3 in the freaking NFL. They paid Brock that ridiculous contract. So again stop with this nonsense about the Texans brass being cheap.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Why do you even follow what you believe is a cheap organization? I mean please go compare their contracts up against the rest of the NFL franchises. And I bet we're in the top 10 most years. JJ when he got his new contract at that time was the highest paid defensive lineman in the f'n NFL. Hopkins contract was top 3 in the freaking NFL. They paid Brock that ridiculous contract. So again stop with this nonsense about the Texans brass being cheap.
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Brock and JoJo are the only FA's that they've given top contracts in FA in 17 yrs and BO was definitely an outlier.

Too answer your question the name Houston on the jersey.
 
Mr teX said:
People kill me with this here.

The best defense we face next year outside of our own divisional opponents according to last year's finishes will be the Chargers who finished 8th in overall total D...the saints after them who were 14th. Last year however, we were able to beat the #2 (Buf), #5 (Den), #6 (Jax twice), #9 (Dal) and #10 (Indy once) overall defenses.

So.....Yes, overall the qbs we face next year will be much better than those we faced last year but the onus here won't necessarily be on BoB & the offense unless we still struggle to score TD's; It will be on Crennel to slow those qb's down enough.
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This will be a different season, you do know that right. As of right now we don't what type of defenses we will face.
 
steelbtexan said:
Brock and JoJo are the only FA's that they've given top contracts in FA in 17 yrs and BO was definitely an outlier.

Too answer your question the name Houston on the jersey.
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Here you go again trying to spin your own agenda. You said we were cheap and that false. You can't just cheer pick one entity and not factor in the entire equation. That doesn't make any sense.

And add Reed, Badger, Manning and several other FA.
 
Texas Jake said:
I agree with you that we have a more difficult schedule and matching last year's record will be hard to do. I am more optimistic than you, but fully recognize that there is a good chance the team could crash this season. I like the personnel moves they made, you not so much. Irregardless of whether we like them or not you never know how the new personnel will work out until its proved on the field one way or the other.

I think Gipson is an improvement over Tyrann. I think he fits what the secondary needs more than HB. He is better in coverage and can cover TEs. HB proved to be a liability in coverage at times. We added speed to the secondary. That is something that was lacking last year. Hopefully we can play more man, bump and run, tight cover this year. If we can, that will be a game changer and go a long way towards preventing another Philly fiasco and help get us past the Colts.
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We also added size which could be a plus. Time will tell though.

Good post.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Here you go again trying to spin your own agenda. You said we were cheap and that false. You can't just cheer pick one entity and not factor in the entire equation. That doesn't make any sense.

And add Reed, Badger, Manning and several other FA.
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No agenda, they're cheap.

Look at how much cap space they have available and a need at LT. If the Redskins make Williams available you know the Texans wont spend the $$$$ to protect Watson.
 
steelbtexan said:
No agenda, they're cheap.

Look at how much cap space they have available and a need at LT. If the Redskins make Williams available you know the Texans wont spend the $$$$ to protect Watson.
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Again go look up what we are paying our players to the rest of the NFL teams are paying their players. And you will see the Texans are not cheap at all.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Exactly so where is Steel getting this cheap stuff from. Oh they didn't break the bank to protect Watson. Bwhahaha
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I agree but this is a potentially very rare opportunity to grab a legit franchise LT which just happens to be one of our greatest needs is going say a lot about how they are approaching the running of this team.

I can see passing on McKoy not a real solid fit scheme wise. But Williams? Williams may not be the perfect LT for the next decade but he buys you a couple of reasonably priced, quality years to find or develop that guy. This guy has made the pro bowl for the last seven years. Do people really believe Howard is even a capable starter this year? Williams is a proven highly skilled LT who’s had a few injuries but is still relatively young for a OT. Howard is a MAJOR PROJECT and if he starts LT we’re in big doo doo. Let him get his feet wet inside next to Williams.

If they don’t seriously kick the tires if this come true they’res no other excuse than their being cheap. Well IMO.

Watch NE go get him for a second.
 
Texas Jake said:
I agree with you that we have a more difficult schedule and matching last year's record will be hard to do. I am more optimistic than you, but fully recognize that there is a good chance the team could crash this season. I like the personnel moves they made, you not so much. Irregardless of whether we like them or not you never know how the new personnel will work out until its proved on the field one way or the other.

I think Gipson is an improvement over Tyrann. I think he fits what the secondary needs more than HB. He is better in coverage and can cover TEs. HB proved to be a liability in coverage at times. We added speed to the secondary. That is something that was lacking last year. Hopefully we can play more man, bump and run, tight cover this year. If we can, that will be a game changer and go a long way towards preventing another Philly fiasco and help get us past the Colts.
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We could be first in the division, but we’re also literally a half of a step away from last. It’s up for grabs. I’d be willing to bet on the latter over the former
 
mussop said:
I agree but this is a potentially very rare opportunity to grab a legit franchise LT which just happens to be one of our greatest needs is going say a lot about how they are approaching the running of this team.

I can see passing on McKoy not a real solid fit scheme wise. But Williams? Williams may not be the perfect LT for the next decade but he buys you a couple of reasonably priced, quality years to find or develop that guy. This guy has made the pro bowl for the last seven years. Do people really believe Howard is even a capable starter this year? Williams is a proven highly skilled LT who’s had a few injuries but is still relatively young for a OT. Howard is a MAJOR PROJECT and if he starts LT we’re in big doo doo. Let him get his feet wet inside next to Williams.

If they don’t seriously kick the tires if this come true they’res no other excuse than their being cheap. Well IMO.

Watch NE go get him for a second.
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If NE gets him you can best believe it will be a very cheap rate. They will not over pay, over spend for anybody. So why do yall want the Texans too?

Our starting LT will be Davenport not Howard. The only way that happens is if he flat out beat him for the spot or if DP gets injured. But if Davenport handles his business, Howard will have time to learn or will be moved to RT.
 
Texans already shot their wad in 2019 draft to address OT, think it dampens enthusiasm to trade for Trent. If Washington and Houston had known prior to free agency both draft boards would have flipped. Despite that I would do it. Kill it once and for all and let Watson be Watson. Just don’t think they will.
 
Texansballer74 said:
If NE gets him you can best believe it will be a very cheap rate. They will not over pay, over spend for anybody. So why do yall want the Texans too?

Our starting LT will be Davenport not Howard. The only way that happens is if he flat out beat him for the spot or if DP gets injured. But if Davenport handles his business, Howard will have time to learn or will be moved to RT.
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Simple, to give Watson the best protection possible. The 3rd best LT in the NFL type protection.
 
steelbtexan said:
Different situation, they were a startup.

Ancient history, we're Staubach,Lilly, Hayes available in fa too?
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You continually do this.

On one hand “it’s a cheap ass org! Has 17 years taught you people nothing!!

Then when someone post a list of players the other side of your mouth shouts “ancient history those years don’t count!”.

You are hilarious.
 
Doesn't matter who we signed or drafted if Trent William's improves the team (which he does) Texans should be doing everything possible to bring him in.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
This will be a different season, you do know that right. As of right now we don't what type of defenses we will face.
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Yep...& that same rationale holds for everyone grading our schedule as so much more tougher than last years too. As of right now we don’t know how tough our schedule is going to actually be..folks in here are just projecting it to be tougher based on the caliber of QBs we’ll be facing.
 
Mr teX said:
Yep...& that same rationale holds for everyone grading our schedule as so much more tougher than last years too. As of right now we don’t know how tough our schedule is going to actually be..folks in here are just projecting it to be tougher based on the caliber of QBs we’ll be facing.
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I can agree to that. I really don't get worked up about these type of things. It's pure entertainment but that's what the experts love to do. Just like the PFF grades and etc. But looking at the teams we will face this year have track records showing success. We know that our team will darn near have to play their best football.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I can agree to that. I really don't get worked up about these type of things. It's pure entertainment but that's what the experts love to do. Just like the PFF grades and etc. But looking at the teams we will face this year have track records showing success. We know that our team will darn near have to play their best football.
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Agreed, but if this team is to turn the corner and become true contenders that was going to be something they were going to have to do anyway.
 
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