Yep, they dont need one of the best interior pass rushers in the league. Who needs a guy like that? BTW, on a 1 yr deal he wont be Haynesworth. A terrible comparison.Suh? That thug?
No, we don't need our own Albert Haynesworth
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Yep, they dont need one of the best interior pass rushers in the league. Who needs a guy like that? BTW, on a 1 yr deal he wont be Haynesworth. A terrible comparison.Suh? That thug?
No, we don't need our own Albert Haynesworth
I’d get on board with Suh if Clowney decides not to show up when it’s time to play. But don’t see him as a good fit when JJ/Clowney are the guys who freelance. And not sure Suh would be disciplined/unselfish enough to fill his role like Mercilus does when both Watt and Clowney are healthy. It’s not as simple as insert Suh then we got Watt/Clowney/Suh wreaking havoc. Can only have so many freelancers on the defense. And I think we’d all agree that Watt or Clowney > SuhYep, they dont need one of the best interior pass rushers in the league. Who needs a guy like that?
Get the best players and let the coaches deal with how to use them has always been my philosophy.I’d get on board with Suh if Clowney decides not to show up when it’s time to play. But don’t see him as a good fit when JJ/Clowney are the guys who freelance. And not sure Suh would be disciplined/unselfish enough to fill his role like Mercilus does when both Watt and Clowney are healthy. It’s not as simple as insert Suh then we got Watt/Clowney/Suh wreaking havoc. Can only have so many freelancers on the defense. And I think we’d all agree that Watt or Clowney > Suh
He's a great talent to be sure but this was my concern as well. He'd be fun to have in obvious passing downs. Otherwise, I can't imagine any kind of gap integrity. To many free Lancers. Also, is he fit for a 3 man front? He'd be more suited as an under tackle in a 4-3.I’d get on board with Suh if Clowney decides not to show up when it’s time to play. But don’t see him as a good fit when JJ/Clowney are the guys who freelance. And not sure Suh would be disciplined/unselfish enough to fill his role like Mercilus does when both Watt and Clowney are healthy. It’s not as simple as insert Suh then we got Watt/Clowney/Suh wreaking havoc. Can only have so many freelancers on the defense. And I think we’d all agree that Watt or Clowney > Suh
That’s a great idea when playing Madden or in basketball. But there’s a lot more moving parts in real life pro football.Get the best players and let the coaches deal with how to use them has always been my philosophy.
The Rams/Eagles disagree with you.That’s a great idea when playing Madden or in basketball. But there’s a lot more moving parts in real life pro football.
Disagree that Suh would be the best player for the role he'd inherit with healthy Watt/Clowney. I do however think he'd become an on and off field liability if forced to fulfill an unsexy role on the defense like Mercilus has done for the team. The juice is not worth the squeeze (unless Clowney holds out into the season).The Rams/Eagles disagree with you.
Are you really saying you dont want the best players on the team you root for?
Money matters. Always. What if he's asking for $28M?1 yr and 13/14 mil like he got last yr, with whatever guarantees the Rams gave him. The $$$$ really doesn't matter since they have a ton of cap room.
I see $$$$ as nothing more than a % of the cap on a 1 yr deal.Money matters. Always. What if he's asking for $28M?
He's getting older. Probably not interested in a one year deal. He did it last year now he's got to accept what the market says he's worth. I'd be suspicious if he only signs for one year.
So let's say we sign him for three years, $14M guaranteed this year $7M next year, $7M the following year. Roster bonuses for years two & three plus game checks.
Or we can not do roster bonuses, but give him a huge salary years 2 & 3. That way we can cut him & only be accountable for games played.
So if he wants $28M on a one year deal, you'd do it?I see $$$$ as nothing more than a % of the cap on a 1 yr deal.
They have to spend a certain amount on the cap. 28 mil is overkill. The 13-14 mil he got last yr isn't.So if he wants $28M on a one year deal, you'd do it?
One concern the organization would need to deal with, though, is how would Suh fit in on a line with two freelance pass rushers (Clowney and Watt)... In other words, Suh isn't Casey Hampton- his pressures don't come as the result of collapsing the pocket while controlling the interior. So, does Suh's addition have the net gain that those pressure numbers indicate or would his addition force style and scheme changes that largely negate his positive impact? I'm not sure, but I know this isn't baseball and improving team productivity when acquiring a player is more complex than simply adding their personal stats to the team's projections.19 QB hits ain't "suk'd" most of the year. That's pretty good pressure from the inside. I don't know if it's $14.5M worth, but it's something. How were the Rams against the run?
I am not opposed to sign Suh. I don't want to back the Brinks up to him. But we do need help inside.
Exactly. I view Suh as a less valuable replacement for Clowney or Watt. He is not a disciplined player that fulfills his role like say... DJ Reader.One concern the organization would need to deal with, though, is how would Suh fit in on a line with two freelance pass rushers (Clowney and Watt)... In other words, Suh isn't Casey Hampton- his pressures don't come as the result of collapsing the pocket while controlling the interior. So, does Suh's addition have the net gain that those pressure numbers indicate or would his addition force style and scheme changes that largely negate his positive impact? I'm not sure, but I know this isn't baseball and improving team productivity when acquiring a player is more complex than simply adding their personal stats to the team's projections.
Both Clowney and Watt usually line up so far outside of the Tackles that Suh would have plenty of space to freelance inside of the Tackles. If the Texans were to sign Suh......I'd love to see a permanent front of Watt, Suh, Reader and Clowney. And yes, they could wreak havoc on offensive lines.I’d get on board with Suh if Clowney decides not to show up when it’s time to play. But don’t see him as a good fit when JJ/Clowney are the guys who freelance. And not sure Suh would be disciplined/unselfish enough to fill his role like Mercilus does when both Watt and Clowney are healthy. It’s not as simple as insert Suh then we got Watt/Clowney/Suh wreaking havoc. Can only have so many freelancers on the defense. And I think we’d all agree that Watt or Clowney > Suh
There would be wide open cutback lanes for rushers with 3 freelancers. Gotta have gap integrity. That’s why the Texans run D is so good, minus last season’s playoff game of course.Both Clowney and Watt usually line up so far outside of the Tackles that Suh would have plenty of space to freelance inside of the Tackles. If the Texans were to sign Suh......I'd love to see a permanent front of Watt, Suh, Reader and Clowney. And yes, they could wreak havoc on offensive lines.
I would be fine with an energized Suh playing this season at 15M b/c the cap space is there and would have zero effect on the 2020 cap.They have to spend a certain amount on the cap. 28 mil is overkill. The 13-14 mil he got last yr isn't.
This is the point,I would be fine with an energized Suh playing this season at 15M b/c the cap space is there and would have zero effect on the 2020 cap.
This can be done, look at the Rams last yr. Their front 4 would be similar to the Texans,There would be wide open cutback lanes for rushers with 3 freelancers. Gotta have gap integrity. That’s why the Texans run D is so good, minus last season’s playoff game of course.
So you think Suh outperformed his 2018 contract? You think he "earned" a bigger contract.I would be fine with an energized Suh playing this season at 15M b/c the cap space is there and would have zero effect on the 2020 cap.
It's about gap integrity. The guy playing behind him will have to know he has to play off the man in front of him. McKinney can trust the guy next to Jj is going to maintain his gap. So all he has to worry about is which gap Jj takes, then fill whichever is left.Both Clowney and Watt usually line up so far outside of the Tackles that Suh would have plenty of space to freelance inside of the Tackles. If the Texans were to sign Suh......I'd love to see a permanent front of Watt, Suh, Reader and Clowney. And yes, they could wreak havoc on offensive lines.
They did not figure it out. Suh underperformed and Donald had an MVP caliber season.This can be done, look at the Rams last yr. Their front 4 would be similar to the Texans,
Fowler/Suh/Brockers/Donald
Watt/Reader/Suh/Clowney
If the Rams coaches can figure it out. The Texans coaches should be able to figure it out or the Texans need to find new coaches.
Depends on your definition of under performing.They did not figure it out. Suh underperformed and Donald had an MVP caliber season.
Meh... i’d prefer ReaderDepends on your definition of under performing.
Was Suh his all pro self? during the regular season, nope but he was solid. During the playoffs he as playing at an all pro level and that's what you want. Particularly from an older player.
I want Mercilus, Suh,Watt, Clowney rushing the passer on 3rd downsMeh... i’d prefer Reader
Plus I don’t necessarily think Dante Fowler had a great season either last season. But Donald going bonkers overshadowed both. Well deserved DPOY last season.
Reader have 19 QB hits in 2018?Meh... i’d prefer Reader
Plus I don’t necessarily think Dante Fowler had a great season either last season. But Donald going bonkers overshadowed both. Well deserved DPOY last season.
I would hate to see how often we'd get burned with short quick dump passes.I want Mercilus, Suh,Watt, Clowney rushing the passer on 3rd downs
With the new and improved secondary that shouldn't be happening.I would hate to see how often we'd get burned with short quick dump passes.
Despite his somewhat decreased production last season.......still better than Suh's..........it can be explained by the fact that he battled nagging injuries to his ankle, shoulder, biceps and calf..........all truly minor, but certainly responsible for his relative decrease. I would still trade him for a 6th and expect better output than Suh. His contract for $13 million this season. But McCoy may be outright released......then he possibly goes into a bidding war.With the new and improved secondary that shouldn't be happening.
I know you don't like Suh, how would you feel about trading a 6th for McCoy?
No and if he did then I’d expect the Texans to have the 23rd ranked run defense in the league like the Rams instead of 3rd like the Texans. Reader too busy doing HIS JOB and letting Watt/Clowney get the glory.Reader have 19 QB hits in 2018?
Think he'll get 10 in 2019?
Football is dynamic. Did I miss the sarcasm smilie?No and if he did then I’d expect the Texans to have the 23rd ranked run defense in the league like the Rams instead of 3rd like the Texans. Reader too busy doing HIS JOB and letting Watt/Clowney get the glory.
Like the Texans record.....I don't put a lot a stock in a number 3 ranking b/c more often than not, it appeared that they gaffed in stopping the most crucial conversions. Just like the offense, gang busters between the 20's but a totally different team when it counts the most in the Red Zone.No and if he did then I’d expect the Texans to have the 23rd ranked run defense in the league like the Rams instead of 3rd like the Texans. Reader too busy doing HIS JOB and letting Watt/Clowney get the glory.
This can be done, look at the Rams last yr. Their front 4 would be similar to the Texans,
Fowler/Suh/Brockers/Donald
Watt/Reader/Suh/Clowney
If the Rams coaches can figure it out. The Texans coaches should be able to figure it out or the Texans need to find new coaches.
They only gave up 8 rushing TD's all season, which was also 3rd in the leagueLike the Texans record.....I don't put a lot a stock in a number 3 ranking b/c more often than not, it appeared that they gaffed in stopping the most crucial conversions. Just like the offense, gang busters between the 20's but a totally different team when it counts the most in the Red Zone.
I have a feeling that we'll need someone like McCoy this year not just to make the D better, but maybe just to keep it from regressing when someone else gets sick, injured, tired, or under performs.Despite his somewhat decreased production last season.......still better than Suh's..........it can be explained by the fact that he battled nagging injuries to his ankle, shoulder, biceps and calf..........all truly minor, but certainly responsible for his relative decrease. I would still trade him for a 6th and expect better output than Suh. His contract for $13 million this season. But McCoy may be outright released......then he possibly goes into a bidding war.
Disagree run defense was elite this season and only sprung leaks late in games when secondary continued to fail them and teams would run out the clock and they were exhausted due to staying on the field too much. EX: Playoff loss to Colts.Like the Texans record.....I don't put a lot a stock in a number 3 ranking b/c more often than not, it appeared that they gaffed in stopping the most crucial conversions. Just like the offense, gang busters between the 20's but a totally different team when it counts the most in the Red Zone.
The battles are won in the trenches so an experienced big guy in there would certainly help put pressure on QBs.I have a feeling that we'll need someone like McCoy this year not just to make the D better, but maybe just to keep it from regressing when someone else gets sick, injured, tired, or under performs.
Let's hope so,RC would figure it out for sure.
If Suh was important to their success, why didn't they extend/re-sign him??The Rams/Eagles disagree with you.
Are you really saying you dont want the best players on the team you root for?
They dont have the cap space.If Suh was important to their success, why didn't they extend/re-sign him??
If they thought he was worth re-signing, they'd find a way...They dont have the cap space.
That plus they brought in some expensive old guys they valued more like Eric Weddle.If they thought he was worth re-signing, they'd find a way...
...cut some folks, big signing bonus, something
His secondary was so depleted. Hopefully health is on our side this seasonLet's hope so,
He didn't have it figured out against top tier QB's last yr and next yrs schedule has like atleast 10 of them.
The Texans took their share of bone-headed penalties that helped keep the defense on the field. I wasn't referencing just rushing TD's but also took 3rd down conversions into consideration.Disagree run defense was elite this season and only sprung leaks late in games when secondary continued to fail them and teams would run out the clock and they were exhausted due to staying on the field too much. EX: Playoff loss to Colts.
Issues the Rams didn’t have with their offense last season consistently sustaining drives and putting points on the scoreboard. Their secondary had holes as well but their offense continued to answer the bell while our’s was inconsistent.
Can't access the linked report, but the one which appeared in today's newspaper, and if I counted correctly, paragraph 15 wrote: " Dixon has overcome knee injuries that limited him during his first few seasons for the Buckeyes and is healthy now."WR Johnnie Dixon confident he can contribute to Texans
Aaron Wilson , Houston Chronicle May 12, 2019 Updated: May 12, 2019 7:46 p.m.
[Article talks about major injury history of Fuller and Coutee............but conveniently not a peep about Dixon's.]
They dont have the cap space.
If that is reliable info, then Texans got a steal.Can't access the linked report, but the one which appeared in today's newspaper, and if I counted correctly, paragraph 15 wrote: " Dixon has overcome knee injuries that limited him during his first few seasons for the Buckeyes and is healthy now."
Among other things I posted about his injuries in the Injury Thread, at very least, having significant arthritis is the furthest thing from being "healthy now."Can't access the linked report, but the one which appeared in today's newspaper, and if I counted correctly, paragraph 15 wrote: " Dixon has overcome knee injuries that limited him during his first few seasons for the Buckeyes and is healthy now."