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gafftop said:
I think the correct 1.1 is trade unless you need a franchise QB. In our case all three years there was really no QB that was highly coveted.
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Folks say this all the time but, I'm curious, how often over the years has a team actually traded up to 1-1? Bunches, often, or hardly ever?

as an aside I find it interesting that in a draft where there were a record 40 day one trades (per ESPN), the Texans were one of two teams that didn't participate.
 
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maverick512000 said:
I do agree with you but very rarely do teams with a franchise QB draft 1.1. If they really are a franchise QB they can lift the team high enough to at least get into the low teens.
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The Texans have drafted @ 1.1 3 times and drafted a QB there once and never traded out of the position.
 
DocBar said:
The Texans have drafted @ 1.1 3 times and drafted a QB there once and never traded out of the position.
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Think we're saying the same thing, my point was if you have a franchise QB then odds are better than not you will not be drafting at 1.1 simply due to the talent of the QB. The fact the Texans have only had a franchise QB once, maybe twice depending on how good someone thinks Schaub could have been, just supports that idea. I mean look at Cleveland and how many times they've sat at if not 1.1 then top 5, now there was a lot more going on with Cleveland no doubt but not having a good QB certainly played its part.
 
Keep in mind that decisions to release/shuffle scouts are typically made prior to the Draft and typically not carried out until after the Draft.

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Texans promote John Ritcher to national scout
Aaron Wilson , Houston Chronicle May 5, 2019 Updated: May 5, 2019 10:21 a.m.

The Texans have promoted John Ritcher to national scout from Southeast area scout.

The former Arizona Cardinals scout replaces former Texans national scout Frantzy Jourdain, who was previously with the New England Patriots.

The Texans have two national scouts: Ritcher and Mozique McCurtis.The Texans shifted Brad Mathews to Southeast area scout from the Northeast.

Blaise Taggert takes over as the Northeast area scout. He was previously a National Football Scouting scout for the club who concentrated on the Northeast.

Najja Johnson, a former scouting assistant who joined the AFC South franchise last year, has been promoted to NFS scout.
 
My thinking is that this years draft demonstrated that the Texans were moving on from the herd in our drafting philosophy.

There was no doubt about this (in my pea brain) when the team obviously preferred Howard over the consensus pick Dillard.

"Don't follow the lead dog or the scenery never changes."

Gaine had a definite plan and stuck to it. Stay tuned to see how it all turns out.

Here's to hoping that we get positive reviews from the upcoming rookie mini-camps.

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cuppacoffee said:
My thinking is that this years draft demonstrated that the Texans were moving on from the herd in our drafting philosophy.

There was no doubt about this (in my pea brain) when the team obviously preferred Howard over the consensus pick Dillard.

"Don't follow the lead dog or the scenery never changes."

Gaine had a definite plan and stuck to it. Stay tuned to see how it all turns out.

Here's to hoping that we get positive reviews from the upcoming rookie mini-camps.

:coffee:
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I think this is not just a Texans thing but an NFL thing overall. More and more each draft I'm noticing that teams aren't caring near as much about how a player is ranked or what the football experts are saying. Who can blame them really, the media has been all over the place with a lot of their predictions and more so have been changing how they rank a player nearly daily. Player has a bad combine suddenly he's a round three guy, player has a good combine suddenly he's a first rounder, player comes from a smaller school and he's automatically dropped two or three rounds. Teams are paying their scouts big time money to not just watch film like the media mostly does but to go to the actual games. Likewise those scouts only cover certain sections of the country as compared to trying to watch all the games. It makes sense that teams are starting to trust their own information more than player rankings.

Also I think teams are keeping their cards much closer to their chest so the media has to guess a lot more how a team ranks someone.
 
maverick512000 said:
I think this is not just a Texans thing but an NFL thing overall. More and more each draft I'm noticing that teams aren't caring near as much about how a player is ranked or what the football experts are saying. Who can blame them really, the media has been all over the place with a lot of their predictions and more so have been changing how they rank a player nearly daily. Player has a bad combine suddenly he's a round three guy, player has a good combine suddenly he's a first rounder, player comes from a smaller school and he's automatically dropped two or three rounds. Teams are paying their scouts big time money to not just watch film like the media mostly does but to go to the actual games. Likewise those scouts only cover certain sections of the country as compared to trying to watch all the games. It makes sense that teams are starting to trust their own information more than player rankings.

Also I think teams are keeping their cards much closer to their chest so the media has to guess a lot more how a team ranks someone.
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Yep. And when they guess wrong they give you a F on their report card, knowing most will forget about it when the players they wanted most often do not live up to their hype.

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cuppacoffee said:
Yep. And when they guess wrong they give you a F on their report card, knowing most will forget about it when the players they wanted most often do not live up to their hype.

:coffee:
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But at the same time those report cards are only used to support one position or another. If you liked the person drafted you say "Those rankings don't matter" and if you didn't you say "The experts say we screwed up." or vice versa if the ranking is good. Like all opinions in the media its not used for information but just to further an argument.
 
cuppacoffee said:
My thinking is that this years draft demonstrated that the Texans were moving on from the herd in our drafting philosophy.

There was no doubt about this (in my pea brain) when the team obviously preferred Howard over the consensus pick Dillard.

"Don't follow the lead dog or the scenery never changes."

Gaine had a definite plan and stuck to it. Stay tuned to see how it all turns out.

Here's to hoping that we get positive reviews from the upcoming rookie mini-camps.

:coffee:
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So you are convinced that O'Brien, Gaine, & Co are sharper than the Eagles brain trust which had its choice of Howard, Dilliard, others to draft for their next franchise LT ?
 
maverick512000 said:
But at the same time those report cards are only used to support one position or another. If you liked the person drafted you say "Those rankings don't matter" and if you didn't you say "The experts say we screwed up." or vice versa if the ranking is good. Like all opinions in the media its not used for information but just to further an argument.
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No arguing is allowed on TT message board.

Just the occasional heated discussion sprinkled with innuendo and references to peoples family tree, minus a few branches.

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IDEXAN said:
So you are convinced that O'Brien, Gaine, & Co are sharper than the Eagles brain trust which had its choice of Howard, Dilliard, others to draft for their next franchise LT ?
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A better question is: Are you certain that they are not before even giving them a chance to prove it?

The answer will be settled on the playing field.

I am convinced that the Texans preferred Howard over Dillard.

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cuppacoffee said:
A better question is: Are you certain that they are not before even giving them a chance to prove it?

The answer will be settled on the playing field.

I am convinced that the Texans preferred Howard over Dillard.

:coffee:
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I'm inclined to believe the Philly folks are better than our guys at this time but no I'm not certain about it.
 
Bwhahaha at the thought some of us have to help convince ourselves to stay positive. So now it's the Texans are moving on from the whatever herd, that I guess suppose to be the norm. Forget getting the best player, just grab something and hope it stick.

I highly doubt that was their plan. If Dillard becomes a beast and if Howard shits the bed. Oh boy this forum will blow the heck up.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Bwhahaha at the thought some of us have to help convince ourselves to stay positive. So now the it's the Texans are moving on from the whatever herd, that I guess suppose to be the norm. Forget getting the best player, just grab something and hope it stick.

I highly doubt that was their plan. If Dillard becomes a beast and if Howard shits the bed. Oh boy this forum will blow the heck up.
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I highly doubt that anyone on this message board knew what the plan was.

Wonder if the Howard doubters **** the bed if / when he outperforms Dillard?

We'll see soon enough.

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cuppacoffee said:
I highly doubt that anyone on this message board knew what the plan was.

Wonder if the Howard doubters **** the bed if / when he outperforms Dillard?

We'll see soon enough.

:coffee:
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The years draft demonstrates what again? Bwhahaha

Now it's you don't think anyone knows their plans.

Well hell of course nobody on here knows their plans but we can formulate an opinion that suggests that we do huh?

The plan suggests that they want a power run scheme. ( I think) something they wanted since Obrien got here.
 
JB said:
More curious how the Dillard supporters are going to prefer their crow or if excuses abound
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I've been wrong before and will be again and will do what I always do, (Admit I was wrong.)

What makes you think Howard is going to be better than Dillard or that Dillard wont be a solid OT for a long time in the NFL?
 
Texansballer74 said:
Bwhahaha at the thought some of us have to help convince ourselves to stay positive. So now the it's the Texans are moving on from the whatever herd, that I guess suppose to be the norm. Forget getting the best player, just grab something and hope it stick.

I highly doubt that was their plan. If Dillard becomes a beast and if Howard shits the bed. Oh boy this forum will blow the heck up.
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Yep,

I will be leading the charge for heads to roll and a new regime to be put in place.
 
steelbtexan said:
I've been wrong before and will be again and will do what I always do, (Admit I was wrong.)

What makes you think Howard is going to be better than Dillard or that Dillard wont be a solid OT for a long time in the NFL?
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Just what was written. Coming from Leach's system, Dillard has to completely learn how to play a two-stance OT whereas Howard at least knows that part plus run blocking. Dillard has much to learn and Howard has shown he can handle the competition (Auburn, SB... Sweat).
 
IDEXAN said:
So you are convinced that O'Brien, Gaine, & Co are sharper than the Eagles brain trust which had its choice of Howard, Dilliard, others to draft for their next franchise LT ?
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Who's better, Zeke or Kareem Hunt?

I think it depends on what kind of RB you like & how you've built your team. Same with QB. You can switch Peyton Manning for Phillip Rivers & your team won't miss a beat. Put Drew Brees in their spot & you'd better expect to make some changes.

Same with many other positions. The best LT in a given draft may not be the best LT for your team. So it's not that I think BO'b & Gaine are smarter, or that they think Howard will be the better player. They believe, I think, Howard is a much better fit.

Dillard can go on to be a HOF LT... doesn't matter as long as Howard helps BO'b win a Super Bowl.
 
JB said:
Just what was written. Coming from Leach's system, Dillard has to completely learn how to play a two-stance OT whereas Howard at least knows that part plus run blocking. Dillard has much to learn and Howard has shown he can handle the competition (Auburn, SB... Sweat).
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Everybody sure is placing alot of importance in Howards play in a blowout loss to Auburn.
 
Ok explain something to me. Everyone is saying that Dillard was the better pick. Based on what really? No stop and think about it. If you take out all the rankings, which got a lot of things in this draft wrong, then what was it about Dillard that was considered so much better? I'm seriously asking because I rarely watch college football.

Here's what I've been able to gather that supports the argument.

Dillard has more game film. That's neither a mark in his favor nor a mark against Howard because neither of them had a say in that.

Dillard handled more elite competition. I'll have to take peoples word on that but from what I understand the one time Howard did play at the elite level, the Sr bowl, he did an excellent job and shut down someone that was considered a 5 star recruit and was taken 16 overall.

Dillard is more NFL ready. Not from what I've read, in fact it sounds like the system he was in doesn't transfer to the NFL very well at all. He may just be a good enough talent that he can over come that but from what I've read the system isn't doing him any favors.

I've read the ranking, I've listened to the experts and most of their arguments seem to boil down to "This guy was from a small school and we know nothing about him but we are being paid to sound like we do so we'll just say it sucked." It could be that Howard will suck but a lot of the things the media is saying seems to be a bit of sour grapes that Texans picked someone that wasn't even on the mocks radar.
 
JB said:
Because he handled top level talent both then at at the SB
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I wouldn't say he handled top level talent at the Sr Bowl.

He did look like he belonged at the Sr Bowl.

I almost dismiss the Auburn game since he probably only played a quarter against Auburn's starters. This doesn't mean Howard cant be good, I just dont put much stock in that game.
 
Until we have real games to watch, the Howard vs Dillard arguments are like kicking a dead horse. There's more opinion based on thread bare evidence, but that's it. This MB is almost ideal for these kinds of discussions, but it just might make sense to watch through TC and the preseason, then at least through a few real games to gather REAL evidence for intelligent discussion. The horse is dead for now but will come back to life by mid season...that's for sure. It will be interesting to watch the development of Dillard, Howard, and Scharping over the next few seasons.
 
HaveMercy said:
Until we have real games to watch, the Howard vs Dillard arguments are like kicking a dead horse. There's more opinion based on thread bare evidence, but that's it. This MB is almost ideal for these kinds of discussions, but it just might make sense to watch through TC and the preseason, then at least through a few real games to gather REAL evidence for intelligent discussion. The horse is dead for now but will come back to life by mid season...that's for sure. It will be interesting to watch the development of Dillard, Howard, and Scharping over the next few seasons.
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Not really fair to give Howard such deadline while having Devlin as his coach. But then again, that’s YOUR personal deadline. I give him a longer leash and hope he plays well despite Devlin’s incompetent ass...
 
steelbtexan said:
I wouldn't say he handled top level talent at the Sr Bowl.

He did look like he belonged at the Sr Bowl.

I almost dismiss the Auburn game since he probably only played a quarter against Auburn's starters. This doesn't mean Howard cant be good, I just dont put much stock in that game.
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Fair enough. That is a reasonable point of view and is more to think about.
 
Mangler said:
Not really fair to give Howard such deadline while having Devlin as his coach. But then again, that’s YOUR personal deadline. I give him a longer leash and hope he plays well despite Devlin’s incompetent ass...
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I'm not giving Howard a deadline. I'm just saying the horse will come back to life after a few games when we can discuss Howard's development so far. If things move forward as normal, Dillard, Howard, and Scharping will be growing as players through at least season 3+. As will Davenport & Rankin (if they're still here).

As for Devlin, since he's the OL coach for the foreseeable future, I hope he grows as a coach and maker of men. His track record hasn't been much to write home about, that's for sure. But reducing the man (or any person) to a rude sound bite (calling him an "incompetent a...") is pure argument by ridicule.
 
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dream_team said:
I don’t get this at all? Even in hindsight, Mario was the correct pick at #1 overall. Who do you wish they got there? Donald was in another draft.
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Late reply..

It was the correct 1.1 pick without looking back years after... my point was not about who we picked, but why he was there in the first place, which IMHO, was overinflated value based on combine measurables. The Donald reference was simply an inverse observation to beerlover's comment, which I translated to meaning Donald's combine results allowed many teams to overlook him, where as I think it was inversely beneficial for Mario.
 
maverick512000 said:
Howard did play at the elite level, the Sr bowl
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Last time I remember mention of the Senior Bowl was in reference to Garoppolo & Wentz. My argument then was they came from small schools & we don't know how they'll do against better competition.

Then, the Senior Bowl was proof Wentz was the best prospect in his class & Garoppolo deserved to be mentioned with the best of his class.

Now, as it concerns the Texans 1st round pick the Senior Bowl isn't sufficient evidence that Howard can play at the NFL level.

Strange :thinking:
 
thunderkyss said:
Last time I remember mention of the Senior Bowl was in reference to Garoppolo & Wentz. My argument then was they came from small schools & we don't know how they'll do against better competition.

Then, the Senior Bowl was proof Wentz was the best prospect in his class & Garoppolo deserved to be mentioned with the best of his class.

Now, as it concerns the Texans 1st round pick the Senior Bowl isn't sufficient evidence that Howard can play at the NFL level.

Strange :thinking:
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Howard played well at the Senior Bowl in game and in 1 on 1 drills where he had the highest win rate out of all the OL there. (That includes players like Dillard)

Scharping also had a good few days at the senior bowl. Watching 1 on 1 drills now. He's pretty much beaten everyone or gone even with them except for Jelks out of Oregon. Kid is long and aggressive. They only had 1 match up and Jelks won it so take it for what it's worth. Still plenty more tape to watch.
 
AngryNateFTW said:
Howard played well at the Senior Bowl in game and in 1 on 1 drills where he had the highest win rate out of all the OL there. (That includes players like Dillard)

Scharping also had a good few days at the senior bowl. Watching 1 on 1 drills now. He's pretty much beaten everyone or gone even with them except for Jelks out of Oregon. Kid is long and aggressive. They only had 1 match up and Jelks won it so take it for what it's worth. Still plenty more tape to watch.
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I had hard that Scharping was also a bit hurt in a leg at the SB, so he may not have been 100%, but battled anyway
 
Mangler said:
Not really fair to give Howard such deadline while having Devlin as his coach. But then again, that’s YOUR personal deadline. I give him a longer leash and hope he plays well despite Devlin’s incompetent ass...
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This is my wild card in the Howard vs Dillard debate. Part of the equation should be Mike Devlin vs Jeff Stoutland
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
This is my wild card in the Howard vs Dillard debate. Part of the equation should be Mike Devlin vs Jeff Stoutland
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I see we're already making excuses IF Howard fails.

Great job.

This is Devlin's handpicked guy, IF Howard fails there are no excuses and everybody should be fired. That's how much that SHOULD be riding on the Howard pick.
 
steelbtexan said:
I see we're already making excuses IF Howard fails.

Great job.

This is Devlin's handpicked guy, IF Howard fails there are no excuses and everybody should be fired. That's how much that SHOULD be riding on the Howard pick.
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When are you going to decide he's a bust? Now, mid-season his rookie year, after 1 year, 2, 3? Are you open to giving him an even chance at all or is your mind already made up?
 
Trail.Blazr said:
Late reply..

It was the correct 1.1 pick without looking back years after... my point was not about who we picked, but why he was there in the first place, which IMHO, was overinflated value based on combine measurables. The Donald reference was simply an inverse observation to beerlover's comment, which I translated to meaning Donald's combine results allowed many teams to overlook him, where as I think it was inversely beneficial for Mario.
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I think if Howard doesn't open the season starting at OT, preferably LT the Texans are fair game for criticism on their decision to draft him in the first round pick.
It's like in finance 101, you put your capital to work immediately so it produces a return for your investment right away.
Well in NFL Draft 101 same thing, it's generally considered that first round picks where your highest draft capitol is invested should be productive right away, and not as development projects backing up starters.
 
IDEXAN said:
I think if Howard doesn't open the season starting at OT, preferably LT the Texans are fair game for criticism on their decision to draft him in the first round pick.
It's like in finance 101, you put your capital to work immediately so it produces a return for your investment right away.
Well in NFL Draft 101 same thing, it's generally considered that first round picks where your highest draft capitol is invested should be productive right away, and not as development projects backing up starters.
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Patrick Mahomes says hi.
 
JB said:
When are you going to decide he's a bust? Now, mid-season his rookie year, after 1 year, 2, 3? Are you open to giving him an even chance at all or is your mind already made up?
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I've never said I think he's going to bust. We should know more by yr 2.

What I said was who do you think is going to have the better career, Howard or Dillard and wanting everybody on the record. That's a far cry from calling Howard a bust. What I dont want is for guys to make excuses IF Howard busts. This is Devlin's handpicked guy and believe me when I tell you I hope Howard is a 10 yr all pro.
 
steelbtexan said:
I've never said I think he's going to bust. We should know more by yr 2.

What I said was who do you think is going to have the better career, Howard or Dillard and wanting everybody on the record. That's a far cry from calling Howard a bust. What I dont want is for guys to make excuses IF Howard busts. This is Devlin's handpicked guy and believe me when I tell you I hope Howard is a 10 yr all pro.
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Yet it seems as if your mind is already made up that they made a bad decision, And Devlin ( I think he shoulda been gone also) doesn't and didn't operate in a vacuum
 
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