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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

Seahawks just traded Frank Clark to the Chiefs for the Chiefs #1 (29 overall) & the Chiefs 2020 second round pick.
Clark is damn good but not as good as JD. Why do the Chiefs do that instead of a deal with the Texans: Clowney is damaged merchandise, that's why.
 
The Chiefs are doubling down on Mahomes. Spending some Benjamins, trying to win it within the next two years cuz ol Mahomes is gonna break their bank when his option comes up.

It’s what we should be doing. Instead Janice wants to make sure Bobby’s legacy of Texans being profitable at all costs is more important
 

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So Frank Clark drew a first and a 2nd..we should accept no less in any clowney deal
If Clowney had no health/injury concerns then sure he would bring in even more than Clark because he's a btter player.
Of couse the injury concerns are why Gaine hasn't already agreed to a new long-term deal.
 
If Clowney had no health/injury concerns then sure he would bring in even more than Clark because he's a btter player.
Of couse the injury concerns are why Gaine hasn't already agreed to a new long-term deal.

Frank Clark has had more production throughout his career, but he’s a very similar caliber player. Clowney I think has more potential. But if clowney had 15-20 sacks last year, it wouldn’t even be a discussion. He’d either be signed or he’d be traded for a hefty price. I don’t agree with the injury
 
If Clowney had no health/injury concerns then sure he would bring in even more than Clark because he's a btter player.
Of couse the injury concerns are why Gaine hasn't already agreed to a new long-term deal.

Frank Clark has had more production throughout his career, but he’s a very similar caliber player. Clowney I think has more potential. But if clowney had 15-20 sacks last year, it wouldn’t even be a discussion. He’d either be signed or he’d be traded for a hefty price. I don’t agree with the injury argument because he’s only missed 3 games in as many years and 6 in the past 4. Sure, he’s not iron man. You may have him miss a game or two a season, but it’s not like he’s coming off a lost year or another major injury
 
Chiefs swinging for the fence with a bad ass rookie qb contract. Team put up points. Complete over haul of defense while they can do it


Texans, well we got miles of threads to cover that, one job this offseason. The Oline. Just one part of the the broken offense. Not even close to overhaul going on over there. So on board with texans worried about making money than winning these days

This deal about chiefs trying to win big.

My God the Chiefs were fun to watch compared to the texans
 
Seahawks just traded Frank Clark to the Chiefs for the Chiefs #1 (29 overall) & the Chiefs 2020 second round pick.
Clark is damn good but not as good as JD. Why do the Chiefs do that instead of a deal with the Texans: Clowney is damaged merchandise, that's why.
Or because Texans said no. We should be careful not to confuse our thoughts as facts when we have no idea if they are correct. It is just as likely that the Texans want to keep him and as possible as your thought that they feel they can get a better deal or perhaps as I've posited Gines already has an acceptable deal and hoping for more as time evaporates. You say JD better than Clark then say Texans should have made that deal. What I'm focusing on is if Clark is worth a #1 + 2020 second that is valued as a 3rd this draft, CLowney if traded could bring closer to some of the value I have given.
 
Seahawks just traded Frank Clark to the Chiefs for the Chiefs #1 (29 overall) & the Chiefs 2020 second round pick.
Clark is damn good but not as good as JD. Why do the Chiefs do that instead of a deal with the Texans: Clowney is damaged merchandise, that's why.
You're forgetting the small detail of Clowney signing his tender and agreeing to a long term deal with the Chiefs. We don't know if that's JD's preferred destination. I'm thinking not.
 
You're forgetting the small detail of Clowney signing his tender and agreeing to a long term deal with the Chiefs. We don't know if that's JD's preferred destination. I'm thinking not.

Not sure how many people wouldn't want to play for a team that just played in a conference championship.
 
Would think going to Carolina is on his bucket list and him on theirs, they need DE.
Carolina
Atlanta
Tampa Bay
Miami
LA
Vegas
Dallas

But, I really think Clowney would like to stay in H-town. If the money is right.
 
He’s giving up his free agency by accepting a trade. He will not want to play in the Midwest or a cold weather city.
By now Clowney has definitely developed significant post microfracture arthritis..............playing in cold weather is the last thing he would want to do routinely.
 
It will be interesting to see how Clark's own injury history fares in his future with the Chiefs in the next few years. Clark suffered an elbow hyperextension per Pete Carroll...............of both elbows............one during the 3rd preseason game of last season, the 2nd near the end of the season (Dec 14). Clark admitted that in each injury, he suffered a partial tear of his ulnar collateral ligament. In order for these tears to have occurred, he had to experience more than just a hyperextension of his elbow..........he would have had to sustain a subluxation (partial dislocation) or a complete dislocation. Although his numbers didn't really show it, Clark has stated that he played last year at 60%. Going back to his Michigan State days, I discovered, he was using a left elbow brace back then. Significance of all this is that recurrent partial tears may eventually lead to surgery, possibly Tommy John surgery. Furthermore, last preseason, he also revealed he played all of 2017 with a broken bone in each wrist. Each required surgery during the 2018 offseason and he was able to be used very limitedly in that subsequent TC. So far, he is performing commendably, but you have to ask yourself how long until these upper limb injuries catch up with him.........and also begs the question why has he suffered significant injuries to both of his wrists and both of his elbows in such a short period of time.............inherent joint problems or his techniques routinely over-stressing his joints. I'll be interested to follow his career.
 
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Maybe the word is out on what Clowney thinks he is worth and no team wants to pay him just like the Texans don’t want to pay. Maybe ask Spurrier about him. I think the Clark trade shows what the NFL thinks about him or how Clowney thinks of himself or the Texans brain trust is still brainless or hopefully a better deal will be made.
 
I have an account on Facebook called houston Texans storm report. They’re not a big time account or anything, but usually what they say is pretty credible. They posted that they got a text 20 minutes ago saying any trade for clowney to gain draft capital in this draft is dead... so take it for what it’s worth
 
I have an account on Facebook called houston Texans storm report. They’re not a big time account or anything, but usually what they say is pretty credible. They posted that they got a text 20 minutes ago saying any trade for clowney to gain draft capital in this draft is dead... so take it for what it’s worth

I wonder if a player for player deal has been struck instead?

i.e. Cardinal Petersen or Bronco Clark
 
I expect Clowney to remain on the Texans this year and have his most productive season yet. After watching these guys that aren’t as good as him getting paid will be a motivating factor in his game.
 
All of the big-time edge rushers to be available this year, including Dee Ford & Justin Houston & Demarcus Lawrence & Frank Clack, have now been resigned by their team or traded or released and signed by another team, accept for one and of course that's our very own Jadeveon Clowney.
What's that about ?
 
I wonder if a player for player deal has been struck instead?

i.e. Cardinal Petersen or Bronco Clark

Considering the age difference it’s hard to envision that without any draft capital. If the cards were to take Kyler they could get their edge rusher in a clowney trade. 49ers could trade down and still get theirs. It’s probably just because a lot of teams like the plethora of guys available and view them as safer and cheaper (for now)
 
All of the big-time edge rushers to be available this year, including Dee Ford & Justin Houston & Demarcus Lawrence & Frank Clack, have now been resigned by their team or traded or released and signed by another team, accept for one and of course that's our very own Jadeveon Clowney.
What's that about ?

I feel like that has to do with how much clowney is asking, but then again I feel like if that was known leaguewide then it would’ve been reported. But you’re right, something definitely smells off about it
 
I expect Clowney to remain on the Texans this year and have his most productive season yet. After watching these guys that aren’t as good as him getting paid will be a motivating factor in his game.

It’s such a risky proposition for both him and us. And in either scenario we lose. If he plays well, then his price tag goes up and we have to pay or he walks. We could tag him again but that’s simply to trade him and with JJ’s age we may have to find 2 edge rushers next year. If he plays bad, he won’t resign with us, we won’t be able to trade him, and we’re still in the same boat. I think it’s best for all parties to work out a trade, or to pony up and give him his deal.
 
All of the big-time edge rushers to be available this year, including Dee Ford & Justin Houston & Demarcus Lawrence & Frank Clack, have now been resigned by their team or traded or released and signed by another team, accept for one and of course that's our very own Jadeveon Clowney.
What's that about ?
He wants to be paid like an All-Pro and the Texans want to pay him like an Top Tier OLB/DE that's an injury risk. Clowney wants guaranteed $$ that the Texans would regret for years if he goes down again.

It doesn't appear either side is willing to budge much either.
 
Turned out to be true didn't it?
All of the big-time edge rushers to be available this year, including Dee Ford & Justin Houston & Demarcus Lawrence & Frank Clack, have now been resigned by their team or traded or released and signed by another team, accept for one and of course that's our very own Jadeveon Clowney.
What's that about ?
It could be about the draft choices needed to do deal for Clowney. Teams with cash to pay him + draft picks dwindling. My three landing places still out there; Raiders, NYJ and Buffalo.
 
Turned out to be true didn't it?

It could be about the draft choices needed to do deal for Clowney. Teams with cash to pay him + draft picks dwindling. My three landing places still out there; Raiders, NYJ and Buffalo.
You stayin with your prediction about Clowney being traded because time is running out, we are now down to about the last 30 hours of a window for a trade.
 
You stayin with your prediction about Clowney being traded because time is running out, we are now down to about the last 30 hours of a window for a trade.
Yes with "competition" being taken off board and ⌛ doing it's thing, I'm still confident. IMO, we are in can't lose territory
 
If Clowney had no health/injury concerns then sure he would bring in even more than Clark because he's a btter player.
Of couse the injury concerns are why Gaine hasn't already agreed to a new long-term deal.
You are aware of Clarks history correct?
 
It will be interesting to see how Clark's own injury history fares in his future with the Chiefs in the next few years. Clark suffered an elbow hyperextension per Pete Carroll...............of both elbows............one during the 3rd preseason game of last season, the 2nd near the end of the season (Dec 14). Clark admitted that in each injury, he suffered a partial tear of his ulnar collateral ligament. In order for these tears to have occurred, he had to experience more than just a hyperextension of his elbow..........he would have had to sustain a subluxation (partial dislocation) or a complete dislocation. Although his numbers didn't really show it, Clark has stated that he played last year at 60%. Going back to his Michigan State days, I discovered, he was using a left elbow brace back then. Significance of all this is that recurrent partial tears may eventually lead to surgery, possibly Tommy John surgery. Furthermore, last preseason, he also revealed he played all of 2017 with a broken bone in each wrist. Each required surgery during the 2018 offseason and he was able to be used very limitedly in that subsequent TC. So far, he is performing commendably, but you have to ask yourself how long until these upper limb injuries catch up with him.........and also begs the question why has he suffered significant injuries to both of his wrists and both of his elbows in such a short period of time.............inherent joint problems or his techniques routinely over-stressing his joints. I'll be interested to follow his career.
And he’s had serious off-field problems.
 
And he’s had serious off-field problems.

Oh you mean that incident when the only thing he did was use his girlfriend as a punching bag? And then essentially insulted and denigrated a female sports reporter when she referred to the incident in a 2017 story.............then tweeted a sarcastic apology. These actions could almost be misinterpreted as Frank Clark not having very much respect for women............:kitten:
 
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/01/nfl-colts-quenton-nelson-highlights-texans

This is my last memories of Clowney against a good rookie lineman. Could this be part of the reason he has not been resigned or traded.
I really don't think so. I think he wants Mack money. I hope some type of deal is in place for a trade tomorrow. I could see Clowney holding out or mailing it in. Just my opinion.
Every time I see a play like that it puzzles me about just what are the rules for Olinemen re holding ? One time they call holding, then another it's a good play by the Olineman
so I dunno ?
 
Clowney just watched Clark and Lawrence cash in and he's better than both of those players. I almost hope that JDC signs his tender and continues to play great, maybe another career year and DRIVE THE COST UP!!! LOL it would be par for the course for the brain surgeons on Kirby. "no lets wait him out and for sure we will get him to play for less money ... ONE YEAR LATER ... "boss, umm JDC just had a career year, and umm GULP last year we could have paid him 100Ms, but now he's asking for 150" ... "FRANCHISE TAG HIM AGAIN ARRGHHH WHAT THE HELL HIS KNEE WAS SUPPOSED TO BLOW UP ARRRGHHH"

LOL its funny to see how bad the Texans are at managerial decision making. Dont want to pay him, but instead of trading him now for a 1st and a 2nd which is what Clark brought they will wait until JDC makes a stink and loses all leverage and value. SMH. Thaaaaat's the Texans. LOL.
 
Every time I see a play like that it puzzles me about just what are the rules for Olinemen re holding ? One time they call holding, then another it's a good play by the Olineman
so I dunno ?
Offensive holding has always been difficult for me to define or unequivocally identify. This is the best article I have come across yet regarding this subject.

“Hold” on: A penalty primer
A look at offensive holding and why it’s not called as often as you think it should be
By Skarekrow Nov 20, 2018, 8:00am EST


In gafftop's Clowney video ( I slow-mo'ed it), it appears that Nelson pretty much stayed in front of Clowney, using mostly open hands against Nelson's chest inside his frame, while his action itself did not cause Clowney to go down to ground............Clowney being pushed backwards, accidentally tripped over other Colts players behind him...........causing him to go to ground.
 
Whatever the supposed explanation for not calling obvious holding, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck...and I know a duck when I see one. When the O lineman gets his arm around the rushers neck...from the back!... that's holding. I saw that several times last season and it was never called.
As for trading JD, it takes two to tango. If healthy, he's going to be very expensive to us or some other team. Good players are getting more expensive every year.

Setting the cost and trade value discussion aside for a moment, I like having JD here and I like watching him in a Texans uniform.
 
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Offensive holding has always been difficult for me to define or unequivocally identify. This is the best article I have come across yet regarding this subject.

“Hold” on: A penalty primer
A look at offensive holding and why it’s not called as often as you think it should be
By Skarekrow Nov 20, 2018, 8:00am EST


In gafftop's Clowney video ( I slow-mo'ed it), it appears that Nelson pretty much stayed in front of Clowney, using mostly open hands against Nelson's chest inside his frame, while his action itself did not cause Clowney to go down to ground............Clowney being pushed backwards, accidentally tripped over other Colts players behind him...........causing him to go to ground.
So anyway Nelson becomes an all-pro in his rookie year because there's video out there of studs like Clowney accidently tripping but Nelson gets kudos and receives credit for
as a pancake block.
 
Clowney just watched Clark and Lawrence cash in and he's better than both of those players. I almost hope that JDC signs his tender and continues to play great, maybe another career year and DRIVE THE COST UP!!! LOL it would be par for the course for the brain surgeons on Kirby. "no lets wait him out and for sure we will get him to play for less money ... ONE YEAR LATER ... "boss, umm JDC just had a career year, and umm GULP last year we could have paid him 100Ms, but now he's asking for 150" ... "FRANCHISE TAG HIM AGAIN ARRGHHH WHAT THE HELL HIS KNEE WAS SUPPOSED TO BLOW UP ARRRGHHH"

LOL its funny to see how bad the Texans are at managerial decision making. Dont want to pay him, but instead of trading him now for a 1st and a 2nd which is what Clark brought they will wait until JDC makes a stink and loses all leverage and value. SMH. Thaaaaat's the Texans. LOL.

Or they could give Clowney 100 mil with 60 guaranteed and he doesn't come anywhere close to accumulating the 50 additional sacks required to justify his elite contract.

I would wager a large sum of money Clowney doesn't get 50 more career sacks after he signs a multi year contract. Would you take that wager the other direction? If you don't think he will achieve it, you don't pay him the money.

No-one knows what other teams are willing to give up for Clowney, if Texans weren't willing to give him up for a first and second, I agree they are idiots. My guess is no other teams want to invest in him long term to meet his contract demands either.
 
Or they could give Clowney 100 mil with 60 guaranteed and he doesn't come anywhere close to accumulating the 50 additional sacks required to justify his elite contract.

I would wager a large sum of money Clowney doesn't get 50 more career sacks after he signs a multi year contract. Would you take that wager the other direction? If you don't think he will achieve it, you don't pay him the money.

No-one knows what other teams are willing to give up for Clowney, if Texans weren't willing to give him up for a first and second, I agree they are idiots. My guess is no other teams want to invest in him long term to meet his contract demands either.

His game is so much more than just sacks though. Is that why the TExans arent paying him? Because he wont get another "50" sacks in 5 years? I dont think so. They, as well as some here are just watching the grains of sand winding down the hourglass that is JDC's knee continue to claim he is tainted goods and that he's certain to reinjure. Its not incentive based IMO because JDC has been killing it for 2 years straight. Its already getting long winded having to defend him against the claim of "sacks" .. how many TFL does he have? How many disruptions does he cause in the backfield per game? Sacks arent the only measurable when evaluating Clowney. KC was rumored to be interested in JDC if Im not mistaken or some gossip circle BS, regardless using the deal they just made for Frank Clark who is inferior to JDC IMO just proves to show how incapable the front office is. Cut the man loose if you wont pay him, Im hoping they dont trip over themselves thinking they are the smartest people in the room. Maybe a draft day deal? One can only wish.
 
His game is so much more than just sacks though. Is that why the TExans arent paying him? Because he wont get another "50" sacks in 5 years? I dont think so. They, as well as some here are just watching the grains of sand winding down the hourglass that is JDC's knee continue to claim he is tainted goods and that he's certain to reinjure. Its not incentive based IMO because JDC has been killing it for 2 years straight. Its already getting long winded having to defend him against the claim of "sacks" .. how many TFL does he have? How many disruptions does he cause in the backfield per game? Sacks arent the only measurable when evaluating Clowney. KC was rumored to be interested in JDC if Im not mistaken or some gossip circle BS, regardless using the deal they just made for Frank Clark who is inferior to JDC IMO just proves to show how incapable the front office is. Cut the man loose if you wont pay him, Im hoping they dont trip over themselves thinking they are the smartest people in the room. Maybe a draft day deal? One can only wish.

Yep you can also add the times he crosses the tackles face and gets scorched outside and the bone headed penalties. Edge rushers get paid for sacks. Damon Harrison is the best run defender in the game, he got under 50 mil and only 20 mil guaranteed. I'm good with giving Clowney that.

Cut him loose? Are you Clowneys mother LOL? I am very happy with the approach Gaine has taken with Clowney so far, franchise tagging him this year and next is what any level headed GM would do.
 
His game is so much more than just sacks though. Is that why the TExans arent paying him? Because he wont get another "50" sacks in 5 years? I dont think so. They, as well as some here are just watching the grains of sand winding down the hourglass that is JDC's knee continue to claim he is tainted goods and that he's certain to reinjure. Its not incentive based IMO because JDC has been killing it for 2 years straight. Its already getting long winded having to defend him against the claim of "sacks" .. how many TFL does he have? How many disruptions does he cause in the backfield per game? Sacks arent the only measurable when evaluating Clowney. KC was rumored to be interested in JDC if Im not mistaken or some gossip circle BS, regardless using the deal they just made for Frank Clark who is inferior to JDC IMO just proves to show how incapable the front office is. Cut the man loose if you wont pay him, Im hoping they dont trip over themselves thinking they are the smartest people in the room. Maybe a draft day deal? One can only wish.
If he was all that and a bag of chips, we'd have suitors falling all over themselves to grab him.

There's several possibilities for that:

1) The Texans are spreading rumors to keep his value depressed.

2) The Texans asking price is simply too high.

3) There's actual concern about his ability to "earn" the level of contract he's asking for.

4) Clowney's camp is asking for a prohibitive amount of guaranteed money.

I've heard all of these. Without concrete numbers from either camp, it's hard to say.

3 & 4 speak to why the Texans and Clowney are supposedly miles apart on negotiation. It could also explain why those suitors aren't beating down our door...as they'll have to be willing to meet those demands as well.
 
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