Same here. I've been mocking him to the Texans in the 2nd round for a while but now don't think he'll be available at pick 54. With so many holes on our O-line any high quality O-lineman ie: Lindstrom, Ford, Dillard, Williams, Risner, or McCoy would be a positive addition in the 1st round, maybe even Edwards or Deiter as well.
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Olinemen in the 2019 draft.
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Same here. I've been mocking him to the Texans in the 2nd round for a while but now don't think he'll be available at pick 54. With so many holes on our O-line any high quality O-lineman ie: Lindstrom, Ford, Dillard, Williams, Risner, or McCoy would be a positive addition in the 1st round, maybe even Edwards or Deiter as well.
AngryNateFTW
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Did I go too hard on the OL? (In an ideal world, I would have taken Cajuste, Little, Risner, etc at some point in the draft but Risner went before 23 and I didn't want to take Little or Cajuste there.
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AngryNateFTW
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Bradbury was best available and I figured try him at G and possibly move him to C if Martin continues to struggle.
Protecting Watson can win us a superbowl so I had to go best OL available.
Layne is a 6'2 press corner with OT length. Has some issues with turning his head but can suffocate opposing receivers.
Hardman compares to Fuller with speed and elusiveness. Extremely explosive. Have to have insurance if Fuller can't stay healthy. We need to keep the Watson train moving, we can't keep stopping every time Fuller goes down.
LJ Scott somewhat compares to Arian. Can make people miss in a phone booth, very good hands and can take hits. Like Arian, he had a very inconsistent career in college. Also, like Arian, he isn't a speedster.
Protecting Watson can win us a superbowl so I had to go best OL available.
Layne is a 6'2 press corner with OT length. Has some issues with turning his head but can suffocate opposing receivers.
Hardman compares to Fuller with speed and elusiveness. Extremely explosive. Have to have insurance if Fuller can't stay healthy. We need to keep the Watson train moving, we can't keep stopping every time Fuller goes down.
LJ Scott somewhat compares to Arian. Can make people miss in a phone booth, very good hands and can take hits. Like Arian, he had a very inconsistent career in college. Also, like Arian, he isn't a speedster.
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AngryNateFTW
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I see where some compare Rodney Anderson to Foster too - has some injury issues though.
Bruce Anderson compares well also.
I love Bruce Anderson or Ozigbo in the 5th. I would trade into the 4th for them.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
The big issue is that Edwards is a RT only, and even then he might be a RG. The Texans seem intent on Henderson being our RT.
I wouldn't under value Edwards. He was an option QB - before being a tight end. His mere 16 reps on the bench press concerned me. This morning I listened to an interview with him. He is recovering from a shoulder injury, maybe surgery. He said that he could go back to the weight room, only a couple of months ago, and was actually pleased to get to 16 reps by now. Good kid, bright, well spoken, extremely aware, and complimentary of his group of workout buddies. On Henderson, I think they're only "intent on him" until they draft someone, or maybe Davenport moves over there.
AngryNateFTW
Veteran
To piggyback off of what you said about Henderson already having it locked down, why do I get the feeling that they're going to give Davenport the LT position without much competition? Just something in the back of my mind where they ignore the LT position in the draft and say that Davenport is that guy.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
if we take an LT in the 1st, i'm calling it now, Davenport will not be the starter. & if he is, he will be pulled ala brian hoyer the very second he screws up with a false start &/or horrible sack given up.
Henderson is on a one year deal. The Texans should take a guy to groom behind him. Not to mention Henderson’s injury history.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I don’t understand this signing, they gonna keep giving him one year deals? It’s like trying to fix your car with tie straps and rubber bands.
They like Henderson and given that he's injury prone he will sign for cheap.
cuppacoffee
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beerlover
Hall of Fame
Can’t forget the duct tape either which is probably what they’ll use on his ankle as a wrap, lolCome-on BL. We'e doing better than that.
We're at the duct tape stage now.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Texans thought they had starting RT when Henderson signed. Played 1/2 of one game so illogical to be surprised team willing to go with him now. I realize I'm only one thinking D can develop into a solid starter.
I do expect an lineman to be drafted to compete for both sides and OG also.
I do expect an lineman to be drafted to compete for both sides and OG also.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yes, unless there is a "damn Reid fell that far" type pick.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Depends on who they take instead. I'm a big proponent of drafting the best talent regardless of position and using FA to fill needs.
Which is why the draft should probably come before free agency.
No, but do expect that.
Yea we know the priorities, the needs and OT is at the head of the list with CB, but we don't know what his Board will look on the nights of the Draft and/or what kind of deals (trades) might be involved ?
They feel IDL is just as important, and they've addressed DB somewhat, so I think they will go BPA at either IDL or OL. Like others have said, look for a trade down unless one of their top 15 fall
Has the general consensus of Watson being a bonafide franchise quarterback waned ? If he has been relegated to "just another guy", then, by all means, we should stick with the philosophy of "sparklies" early, normally most plentiful on the defensive side of the ball, and continue drafting an offensive lineman, here and there, off and on, now and then, in mid to later rounds. Why tamper with success ?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
in a word..YES!
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Watson has franchise written all over him.
I can't wait to see him behind a decent line with a full compliment of receivers plus a strong running game.
I think he would blossom into one of the top 5 in the league.
There may be better passers, but his legs just add to his threat potential.
The Texans dont participate in FA,
Unless you consider Kalil (Cheaper than Penn I guess.) and Bradley F'n Roby getting a participation ribbon.
Yah, I'm pretty sure you and I are in the same boat. The Texans could spend 6 of the 7 picks on the O-line and it wouldn't hurt my feelings at all, with the other pick at CB. In reality I'd love it if they spent 3 of the first 4 picks on the O-line, it would tell me that finally they're taking the O-line needs seriously for the first time in franchise history.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I don’t see them taking more than two. One OT for sure and then maybe another OT that has flexibility to kick inside like Rankin from last draft.
Biggest reason is twofold:
1) They like some of the guys they’ve invested in already.
2) They have put a priority on special teams production. You don’t typically get ST value from backup OL.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Zierlein agrees with you.
But his run blocking may not be a strength problem as much as in college LTs come out of a 2 point stance whether a pass play is anticipated or not. That's been a major problem for OL coming out of college in general.
Why NFL coaches say even the top offensive linemen are not ready to play right away
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I agree with this, there's always a transition period for OL coming into the NFL, particularly a rookie trying to find his way in NFL schemes coming out of Leach's scheme.
With that said Dillard has the athletic ability and according to Leach work ethic to become an upper level LT. As a rookie he will be better than Davenport due to his superior athletic ability. No more watching Davenport's slow feet get ran around the arc.
zshawn10
All Pro
[Palmer] Ole Miss OL Greg Little put up 15 reps on the bench (didn’t bench at the combine) and then appruptly stopped. Seemed visibly upset about stopping. Not sure what happened.
[Rapoport] West Virginia offensive tackle prospect Yodny Cajuste underwent surgery to repair his quad muscle yesterday from Dr. William Meyers in Philly, source said. Surgery went as expected and the Big 12 co-O-lineman of the year should be fully cleared in three months.
[Rapoport] West Virginia offensive tackle prospect Yodny Cajuste underwent surgery to repair his quad muscle yesterday from Dr. William Meyers in Philly, source said. Surgery went as expected and the Big 12 co-O-lineman of the year should be fully cleared in three months.
Pec injury?
zshawn10
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I know these are 2 OT's that some on here are high on but personally I hope the Texans stay clear of both. Cajuste is just too injury prone and Little just doesn't seem to be worth a 1st or 2nd round pick. He had a very disappointing Combine and his stock has been falling since.
I know that narrows the field of OT's to choose from but it goes back to this being a weak OT class. I've been reading lately that this is a strong class but, I just don't see it. Many of the top OT's like Ford and Williams are more than likely going to be OG's at the next level and there's never been an elite OT like a Joe Thomas in this class. Dillard is by far the best LT in this draft and even he has questions about his run blocking. The best the Texans can hope for is for Risner or McGary to fall to them in the 2nd round or maybe pick up someone like Scharping or Tytus Howard a little later and try to develop them over the course of the season. Either way they all have their "warts" and I don't think any of them would knock out Davenport at LT this season. JMO.
So you don't think Dillard or Williams would be better than Davenport?
Obviously you didn't see how really bad Davenport was last year.
Might want to go check out what they think of Davenport over at PFF.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I'm fine with Dillard at 23. The man can pass block and maybe his run blocking improves with a better LG. I'll take a LT who can excel at pass blocking to start with b/c with most OL, it's the other way around.
If Dillard is off the board, then I'm focusing on the right side and that's where Risner becomes my pick.....and I'd be willing to trade back to ensure that happens while picking up another solid pick.
The way the Texans (Gaine & OB) have set the roster.....I don't think they can select but 2 OL early. They'll have to uncover some gems as UDFA if they want to stash another OL or two on the PS. I'd have no problem picking Mitch Hyatt late since it appears his stock has fallen but he'd probably be snatched off the PS if the team tried to hide him there.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Agreed all around. Very important point about so many roster spots being available cannot just spam OL picks. 2 max i’d say and unless the 2nd OL is a high pick his roster spot is not guaranteed (have to beat out Mancz or a theoretically healthy Henderson/Khalil).
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I think the Texans could carry 10 OL. If my picks panned out, the OL could look like this:
LT- Khalil
LG- Rankin
OC- Martin
RG- Fulton
RT- Henderson
LT- Davenport
LG- Kelemete
OC- McCoy (R)
RG- Mancz
RT- Risner (R)
I think both Risner and McCoy could beat out the veterans, provided OB and Devlin felt comfortable starting the rookies on the OL.
They need to add talent and let everything work itself out from there.
This was the worst OL in the NFL. New young blood needs to be brought in and let the competition begin. May the best man win. No OL from last yr should be guaranteed a job.
Never said they wouldn't be better than Davenport! I don't think either will be there at #23 anyway but if Dillard were there then yes, by all means put him at LT. If Williams is there at #23 then try him at LT but, I think they will realize soon enough, like they did with Rankin last season, that he's probably a better OG. I'm not saying he can't make it at OT, I'm just saying he's probably better suited to being an OG. I'd be happy if they picked either one at #23 but I just don't think they will be there.
They won't carry 10 OL. 9 at most, and that's a stretch.
They've got to trade up and get the best LT possible.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I would agree with this and to me, that makes Kelemete the odd man out or it could be Martin being that if McCoy were drafted, I think he could beat Martin out from Day 1. Texans would have Mancz and possibly Fulton to backup at Center.
I think so. Cutting Kelemete would be a net $2.5 mil savings. He's not a starter on a decent line, and there's no reason to pay that much for a backup OG.