Olinemen in the 2019 draft.

[infantrycak]

I don't see why you wouldn't want the best OT's in both FA/Draft. At the cost of 15 mil per year for the best FA OT and spending an extra 2nd round pick to get the best OT in the draft? If you did these 2 things the offense qoulw look like we all want it to look. BTW, I would also draft a late Rd guy like Roemer to develop.

Being the best FA available doesn't mean they're good much less worth the money. Osweiler ring a bell? Todd Wade?

You're not getting the best OT either, just whatever better you can buy burning a 2nd.

I know you don't know what comittment to the OL looks like, since the previous regime didn't commit resources to the OL like what hopefully Gaine will do .

Spare me the illogic. Spending the same 1st & 2nd on 2 players is just as much of a commitment.

Tell me about the 1st round picks the former gm spent on the OL in the last decade.

1 in 2008 so spending a 1st & 2nd on 2 OTs would be different not more of the same.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

My biggest wildcard for draft day might be.......does Greedy actually fall into the teens. Some Mock sites have shown him going in the slots between 11 and 17. If I wanted to get Greedy maybe I offer up the 2020 RD1 pick and this years RD3 to see if there's a chance to move up. Based on the schedule, some team might want to roll the dice that the Texans RD1 pick could be a decent one.

I'd need to keep the Texans RD1-23 and both RD2 picks.....maybe I give up RD2-23 and have to keep the RD3 to buy that extra RD1 pick. I'll go with this scenario:

RD1-11>17: CB- Greedy / LSU

RD1-23: RT- Risner / Kansas State

RD2-22: OC- McCoy / Texas A&M

RD3-23: CB- Johnson / Houston

The big move, sign FA LT- Brown / NE

I'd love to see:

LT- Brown / Davenport
LG- Rankin or Fulton / Fulton or Rankin
OC- McCoy / Martin
RG- Mancz / Kelemete
RT- Risner / Henderson

 

[steelbtexan]

Being the best FA available doesn't mean they're good much less worth the money. Osweiler ring a bell? Todd Wade?

You're not getting the best OT either, just whatever better you can buy burning a 2nd.



Spare me the illogic. Spending the same 1st & 2nd on 2 players is just as much of a commitment.



1 in 2008 so spending a 1st & 2nd on 2 OTs would be different not more of the same.

You should go look at Brown's play before maky this post. He's very good and young. Exactly what you should want in a FA.

Spending a 1st and a 2nd would be different

Also getting the top fa and the top OT in the draft would be different. It just depends on how much capital you want to spend.

After seeing last year's OL I wouldn't mind seeing Gaine do what O posted and spwns the other 2nd on Lindstrom. Then you would have one of the best young OL's in the NFL for the next 5 years. Nothing wrong with that philosophy.

 

[TexansFan15]

My biggest wildcard for draft day might be.......does Greedy actually fall into the teens. Some Mock sites have shown him going in the slots between 11 and 17. If I wanted to get Greedy maybe I offer up the 2020 RD1 pick and this years RD3 to see if there's a chance to move up. Based on the schedule, some team might want to roll the dice that the Texans RD1 pick could be a decent one.

I'd need to keep the Texans RD1-23 and both RD2 picks.....maybe I give up RD2-23 and have to keep the RD3 to buy that extra RD1 pick. I'll go with this scenario:

RD1-11>17: CB- Greedy / LSU

RD1-23: RT- Risner / Kansas State

RD2-22: OC- McCoy / Texas A&M

RD3-23: CB- Johnson / Houston

The big move, sign FA LT- Brown / NE

I'd love to see:

LT- Brown / Davenport
LG- Rankin or Fulton / Fulton or Rankin
OC- McCoy / Martin
RG- Mancz / Kelemete
RT- Risner / Henderson

Honestly, I don’t know if any team would bite on trading away their 1st Rd pick this year and not having a 1st Rd pick till 2020. Unless we traded a player along with it.

 

[justmy2cents]

Honestly, I don’t know if any team would bite on trading away their 1st Rd pick this year and not having a 1st Rd pick till 2020. Unless we traded a player along with it.

Now you're talking .... we need to think which, if any, of our players that we could survive without. An additional early round pick would do wonders for our situation. Another thing .... we are mixing and matching different styles of linemen. The teams that have the most prolific offenses in the league are running heavily weighted zone/spread - based offenses - and we have a young QB who would flourish in one .... but sadly, I really don't expect O'Brien to follow this successful trend. He's bright, but he's neither inventive nor imaginative .... you could certainly throw in "daring" !

 

[Mollywhopper]

I'm confident in my evals of Dillard.

I want who I consider the best OL in this class. Although I do like Williams. I also want a RT that can play LT in case of injury and you have to pay for these guys.

The one of the other things I like about Dillard is that he has no injury history that I'm aware of. Who do you like as much as Dillard/Williams?

Cody Ford, Dalton Risner, and Greg Little.

All for rather varying reasons from one another though. Which I think makes these guys difficult to separate.

 

[steelbtexan]

Cody Ford, Dalton Risner, and Greg Little.

All for rather varying reasons from one another though. Which I think makes these guys difficult to separate.

Dillard and Williams are a tier above these guys. IMHO

 

[Lucky]

Dillard and Williams are a tier above these guys. IMHO

Dillard and Williams have their own question marks. Can Dillard provide any push in the run game? Does he have the base to handle power rushers? Does Williams have the length to control NFL edge rushers? Is he a fit (sub 300 lbs) for every NFL scheme?

The good thing about this draft is the depth and variety of the offensive linemen. The negative is that there isn't that true, blueblood stud LT. There could be as many as 5 different OT atop the 32 NFL draft boards. Which will make it very difficult to determine where a particular OT will go.

 

[steelbtexan]

Dillard and Williams have their own question marks. Can Dillard provide any push in the run game? Does he have the base to handle power rushers? Does Williams have the length to control NFL edge rushers? Is he a fit (sub 300 lbs) for every NFL scheme?

The good thing about this draft is the depth and variety of the offensive linemen. The negative is that there isn't that true, blueblood stud LT. There could be as many as 5 different OT atop the 32 NFL draft boards. Which will make it very difficult to determine where a particular OT will go.

Agreed

I'm willing to bet on a 3 year starter with all of the measureables and moves as well as Dillard does.

 

[zshawn10]

[Schefter] NFL teams received notice that Florida OT Jawaan Taylor has been evaluated and diagnosed with a mild distal hamstring strain and Dr. James Andrews advised him to not perform at this week’s combine, per source.

 

[Texansphan]

Cody Ford, Dalton Risner, and Greg Little.

All for rather varying reasons from one another though. Which I think makes these guys difficult to separate.

I would definitely add Jawaan Taylor to the list - has been described as a dancing bear. Not quite as polished as some, but has a high ceiling.
I would be very pleased if Texans land him.

 

[Mr teX]

What tape of ford didn’t you like?

"tape" is an exageration..I watched a few of those youtube draft videos on him..I guess the one's i saw, he didn't look like he had the feet to me..Speed guys look like they'll give him fits on the next level. I confess however, i'm not the guy to really know how to grade these big guys.

 

[Shishkabob]

I like all the OTs not named Davenport or Lamm

 

[zshawn10]

[McShay] Alabama OT Jonah Williams- 33 5/8” arms length. Doesn’t prevent him from playing OT in the NFL but certainly doesn’t help his cause. Ideally 34 1/2” or longer.

but:

Jonah Williams - 33 5/8

Ryan Ramczyk - 33 3/4

Jake Matthews - 33 3/8

Isaiah Wynn - 33 3/8

Joe Staley - 33 1/2

Bryan Bulaga - 33 1/4

Riley Reiff - 33 1/4

Lael Collins - 33 1/4

Kelvin Beachum - 33 1/4

Jason Peters - 33 1/8

Joe Thomas - 32 1/2

 

[Lucky]

[McShay] Alabama OT Jonah Williams- 33 5/8” arms length. Doesn’t prevent him from playing OT in the NFL but certainly doesn’t help his cause. Ideally 34 1/2” or longer.

Dillard arms measured 33-1/2" . Williams and Dillard are going to win with agility and technique. But, they are what they are. They're not going to get longer or thicker. Upside is limited. Whereas, guys like Taylor and Little have the length and the frame. Polish their technique, and their upside is fulfilled.

Williams and Dillard will have more issues with power rushers that can push them back, or rag doll them. JJ Watt, for instance. Taylor and Little will have more issues with pure speed around the edge. There isn't a perfect OT in the draft, so teams will have to decide what works best for them.

 

[beerlover]

Exciting times (combine) for draft nicks. Try not to get your Calvin Kliens in abunch is going to be a rocky road sorting out this OL class

 

[justmy2cents]

Dillard arms measured 33-1/2" . Williams and Dillard are going to win with agility and technique. But, they are what they are. They're not going to get longer or thicker. Upside is limited. Whereas, guys like Taylor and Little have the length and the frame. Polish their technique, and their upside is fulfilled.

Williams and Dillard will have more issues with power rushers that can push them back, or rag doll them. JJ Watt, for instance. Taylor and Little will have more issues with pure speed around the edge. There isn't a perfect OT in the draft, so teams will have to decide what works best for them.

Lucky, seems like everything I've read defines Taylor as - massive and strong, but slow footed. Conversely, they say Little has good feet, but insufficient strength. This seems a difficult to be a difficult class to go "line building" in .... come on - "promising Combine" !

 

[Lucky]

Lucky, seems like everything I've read defines Taylor as - massive and strong, but slow footed.

Taylor had been listed as 330+. But, he came into the combine today at 312 lbs. That shows me he has made a commitment to get in shape and be a pro. Let's see how Taylor moves after dropping 20+ lbs.

 

[steelbtexan]

Taylor had been listed as 330+. But, he came into the combine today at 312 lbs. That shows me he has made a commitment to get in shape and be a pro. Let's see how Taylor moves after dropping 20+ lbs.

I thought Taylor wasn't working out at the combine?

 

[steelbtexan]

Lucky, seems like everything I've read defines Taylor as - massive and strong, but slow footed. Conversely, they say Little has good feet, but insufficient strength. This seems a difficult to be a difficult class to go "line building" in .... come on - "promising Combine" !

This yr doesn't have a Pace/Thomas/Ogden/Jones type OT.

But it's the best OL class in yrs. IMHO 1st Rd OT's are even though not all of them will go in the 1st rd.

Williams/Taylor/Ford/Risner/Little/Dillard/Cajuste.

Then you've got other later rd guys like

Edoga/Scharping/McGary/Edwards/Howard etc...

The IOL is also deep with solid starting level guys.

 

[TexansFan15]

Lucky, seems like everything I've read defines Taylor as - massive and strong, but slow footed. Conversely, they say Little has good feet, but insufficient strength. This seems a difficult to be a difficult class to go "line building" in .... come on - "promising Combine" !

I’ve seen a couple of reviews on Little saying that his effort can be questionable sometimes.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Size is a measure.....not the end all. Prototypical NFL QB's must be 6-4+ @ 225lbs+......that's great but it's not the end all. College athletes coming into the NFL don't hit growth spurts that change their length.....they become stronger as they mature and workout. If these OT's from college can do their jobs in college.....with the right coaching and strength/conditioning coach, they can make the transition to the NFL. If they're equipped with smarts and a controlled nasty streak I'll take that as a good building block.

Davenport has all the physical tools that folks drool over for an OT.....how's he looking after 2 years? I like an OL with a strong base and the ability to move gracefully while possessing a nasty streak when he's plowing defenders on the 2nd level during a run. I think folks have become far to concerned about arm length....use your eye test to grade the player.

 

[Mollywhopper]

I'll take things regurgitated ad nauseam this time of year for a couple billion please, alex..

 

[Texansphan]

I’ve seen a couple of reviews on Little saying that his effort can be questionable sometimes.

Thing is though, once you get to the big time, you perform or you fade out.
Once that work ethic becomes a habit then they can reach their potential and then the fire is lit.
Yeah, some don't, but most do - especially if they want a payday some day and leave a legacy.

 

[JB]

Thing is though, once you get to the big time, you perform or you fade out.
Once that work ethic becomes a habit then they can reach their potential and then the fire is lit.
Yeah, some don't, but most do - especially if they want a payday some day and leave a legacy.

If they have a poor work ethic in college there is little reason to believe that will change after becoming an instant millionaire

 

[Texansphan]

If they have a poor work ethic in college there is little reason to believe that will change after becoming an instant millionaire

True, but they also likely don't get drafted high either - and sometimes not at all.

 

[JB]

True, but they also likely don't get drafted high either - and sometimes not at all.

Happens every year

 

[Texansphan]

Happens every year

So does propaganda.
Teams will do their due diligence.

 

[IDEXAN]

Size is a measure.....not the end all. Prototypical NFL QB's must be 6-4+ @ 225lbs+......that's great but it's not the end all. College athletes coming into the NFL don't hit growth spurts that change their length.....they become stronger as they mature and workout. If these OT's from college can do their jobs in college.....with the right coaching and strength/conditioning coach, they can make the transition to the NFL. If they're equipped with smarts and a controlled nasty streak I'll take that as a good building block.

Davenport has all the physical tools that folks drool over for an OT.....how's he looking after 2 years? I like an OL with a strong base and the ability to move gracefully while possessing a nasty streak when he's plowing defenders on the 2nd level during a run. I think folks have become far to concerned about arm length....use your eye test to grade the player.

Well Davenport has impressive length, that's his forte but athletically and in particular his foot work he certainly is not blessed.

 

[zshawn10]

Which Offensive Linemen Interviewed Well at the Combine?

NFL teams conducted their formal interviews with the offensive line prospects Tuesday night at the NFL Scouting Combine. There were some stars in the team interviews, while a few of the top prospects illustrated they are a work in progress on the mental side of the game. Here is a rundown on some of the top prospects and how they interviewed:


- Alabama offensive tackle Jonah Williams was phenomenal, according to team sources. They were very impressed with his development and his football I.Q. His character and work ethic also came through. One source said, "Williams was one of the best OL interviews I’ve ever had. He definitely helped himself."

Williams is viewed as being a safe pick by teams even though he may not stay at left tackle. As a result, he could rise higher in the first round just because teams think there is little bust potential with him. They think he is a safe pick to turn into a quality starter and have a good, long NFL career.

- Boston College guard Chris Lindstrom was the other star of the interviews . Sources say that Lindstrom was tremendous. His football I.Q., knowledge of technique, and personal character were off the charts. Lindstrom’s interviews help his standing, and some teams think he could be a plug-and-play starter.

- Texas A&M center/guard Erik McCoy was another player who interviewed well. McCoy is quietly rising with teams, as they have really liked the tape that McCoy has produced. His 2018 season was impressive, and he is one of the few players who has a quality tape going against both Clemson and Alabama. McCoy’s good interviews here in Indianapolis could improve his chances of a team selecting him in the second round.

- Sources say that Ole Miss left tackle Greg Little did OK in the interview. Teams feel that it could take some time for Little to learn things he will need to know for the NFL, but they feel that he is capable of learning and they don’t think he lacks the capacity to learn. They said Little "doesn’t know what he doesn’t know," and he could use some developmental time.

- Ditto for Florida offensive tackle Jawaan Taylor. They said that Taylor can learn as well, but he will need some time to be taught things he needs to know for the NFL.

- Penn State’s Connor McGovern earned compliments for his interviews. There are many teams that need offensive line help, and McGovern is creating a buzz with teams that should help him to rise.

http://walterfootball.com/nflhotpre...nsive-Linemen-Interviewed-Well-at-the-Combine

 

[steelbtexan]

The Little isn't a hard worker narrative isn't true. This is just a draft rumor time of year thing.

 

[IDEXAN]

The Little isn't a hard worker narrative isn't true. This is just a draft rumor time of year thing.

Hey SteelB your boy knocked out a pretty good # for an OT with the BP reps: Yodny Cajuste, West Virginia - 32
You still high on him ? I'm looking forward to seeing him run as I've seen a photo, that's all.

 

[steelbtexan]

Hey SteelB your boy knocked out a pretty good # for an OT with the BP reps: Yodny Cajuste, West Virginia - 32
You still high on him ? I'm looking forward to seeing him run as I've seen a photo, that's all.

I still like him a lot.

If Dillard/Little are gone I would still take him. The lower body injuries bother me But this dude is really talented. A guy that blocks with an attitude.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

I'm still sold on Dalton Risner who I view as a Bruce Mathews type of OL, only on the right side. He came in at 6-5 @ 312 lbs. 34" Arms and 10 1/4" Hands. He had 23 reps on the Bench. I can live with these initial results. RD1.

Erik McCoy answers a lot of questions on the interior. I haven't seen his combine results but understand his interview went vey well. Does anyone have any results from the combine? Early RD2.

 

[Lucky]

I'm still sold on Dalton Risner who I view as a Bruce Mathews type of OL...

Bruce, the HOFer? Or his son Jake, the solid Falcon LT? Neither Dalton or Jake are the athlete Bruce was.

The OL testing is ongoing. Results are on NFL.com and Steelersdepot.com.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Bruce, the HOFer? Or his son Jake, the solid Falcon LT? Neither Dalton or Jake are the athlete Bruce was.

The OL testing is ongoing. Results are on NFL.com and Steelersdepot.com.

College player vs HOF'er.......really? That statement simply meant, I like Risner's upside and could see him enjoying similar success as he progresses in his NFL career, barring injury.

 

[zshawn10]

[Gil Brandt] Garrett Bradbury may have just punched a ticket to first round with a sub-5 40 at 306 lbs. Had 34 bench reps yesterday. Plug and play at center for a decade.

 

[zshawn10]

Chris Lindstrom Interviews Extremely Well; Could Sneak into Round 1
Updated Feb. 28, 2019
By Charlie Campbell. Follow Charlie on Twitter @draftcampbell.

The offensive linemen were some of the first players to do team interviews at the NFL Scouting Combine, and one of the stars of those interviews was Boston College guard Chris Lindstrom. Team sources said Lindstrom was tremendous in the interviews. Teams that are in need of offensive line help think Lindstrom could be a plug-and-plays starter. In speaking to sources, they think Lindstrom will go in the top 50 picks of the 2019 NFL Draft.

Teams initially thought that Lindstrom would most likely get to the second round, potentially being chosen early in Round 2. However, they said that it’s possible that Lindstrom is this year’s Laken Tomlinson or Joshua Garnett as a guard who surprisingly goes late in the first round. There are plenty of teams that need offensive line help, and Lindstrom is viewed as pro ready. In speaking to some sources, the Buccaneers and Bills have taken a liking to Lindstrom, and he could be in play for their early second-round picks if he’s available.

Multiple team sources say that the 2019 NFL Draft does not have 32 true first-round picks, so some second round-graded players will be selected on the opening night of the draft. Lindstrom is a candidate to be one of those players, but if he doesn’t go in the opening night of the draft, he should not have a long wait come the second night.

http://walterfootball.com/nflhotpre...iews-Extremely-Well;-Could-Sneak-into-Round-1

 

[Lucky]

College player vs HOF'er.......really? That statement simply meant, I like Risner's upside and could see him enjoying similar success as he progresses in his NFL career, barring injury.

OK, but were you really comparing Bruce or Jake to Risner? I'm confused.

 

[JB]

College player vs HOF'er.......really? That statement simply meant, I like Risner's upside and could see him enjoying similar success as he progresses in his NFL career, barring injury.

similar to who though?

 

[IDEXAN]

[Gil Brandt] Garrett Bradbury may have just punched a ticket to first round with a sub-5 40 at 306 lbs. Had 34 bench reps yesterday. Plug and play at center for a decade.

Whoa be it beyond me to second guess somebody like Gil Brandt but it's still surprising to hear him say an offensive linemans 40 time would vault him into the 1st round.
I don't get that one ?

 

[zshawn10]

Whoa be it beyond me to second guess somebody like Gil Brandt but it's still surprising to hear him say an offensive linemans 40 time would vault him into the 1st round.
I don't get that one ?

These are his target numbers

 

[IDEXAN]

These are his target numbers

IMO 40 times are relatively meaningless for offensive lineman unless it's a ZB team who's looking for an athlete who can run and therefor play in their system. But sill hard for me to see it being the difference between taking a a player in the first vs a later round ? Is it really important in other positions ? Oh yea.

 

[steelbtexan]

Whoa be it beyond me to second guess somebody like Gil Brandt but it's still surprising to hear him say an offensive linemans 40 time would vault him into the 1st round.
I don't get that one ?

Bradbury was a stud in college, go back and watch him against Clemson. The combine numbers backup his play. He's a 10 yr starter and if he fell to a team say like the Vikings they will run to the podium with the pick.

 

[steelbtexan]

If Risner falls to say 43 would you trade up for him?

 

[Lucky]

If Risner falls to say 43 would you trade up for him?

No. I would have to see who is available with the 2nd round picks. Not to mention find out what they do at #23. I don't see Risner separating himself from guys like McGary or Edwards, who are likely still there.

 

[Texansphan]

No. I would have to see who is available with the 2nd round picks. Not to mention find out what they do at #23. I don't see Risner separating himself from guys like McGary or Edwards, who are likely still there.

Add Erik McCoy and Tytus Howard here as well.

 

[Lucky]

Add Erik McCoy and Tytus Howard here as well.

I've always liked McCoy. But, I didn't know he was that good of an athlete. He may not make it to the Texans 2nd round pick. Howard has potential, but would probably need a redshirt year.

 

[IDEXAN]

No. I would have to see who is available with the 2nd round picks. Not to mention find out what they do at #23. I don't see Risner separating himself from guys like McGary or Edwards, who are likely still there.

Is any one of those three guys, Risner or McGary or Edwards, a serious candidate to help us long-term at left tackle ?

 

[steelbtexan]

No. I would have to see who is available with the 2nd round picks. Not to mention find out what they do at #23. I don't see Risner separating himself from guys like McGary or Edwards, who are likely still there.

I really like McGary. He could be the new Winston at RT.

Risner's position versatility is what separates him.