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Ideal Offseason Scenario

what a person wants versus receives is quite different. Someone who wants to spend their cap may do it, but after seeing Conner be a cheap version of him, and Gurley suck down the stretch, I think most teams will roll the dice on cheaper running backs and hope they hit the next Kamara or Hunt
 
If the Broncos cut Keenum, which could very well happen after the signing of Flacco.....then I wouldn't mind seeing the Texans bring him back to be QB2. I'd like him a lot more than Weeden this season. Weeden would probably remain unsigned which would give the Texans a non-roster QB3, who's just a phone call away.
 
WolverineFan said:
Bell reportedly wants $17M annually and $48M guaranteed. There's no way, IMO, that he settles for a $10M a year cap hit.

He wants a bigger contract than Gurley. Gurley's cap hits are...

Year 1 - $17.25M
Year 2 - $13.20M
Year 3 - $14.20M
Year 4 - $12.45M
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I still like the idea of signing Bell but he's going to spend another NFL Eason at home if he thinks he's going to get his asking price. I think he's going to wind up settling for something along the lines of 35M guaranteed over 2-3 seasons. Big signing bonus on a new 4 year deal. Texans could swing this deal and wind up with Bell in the backfield.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If the Broncos cut Keenum, which could very well happen after the signing of Flacco.....then I wouldn't mind seeing the Texans bring him back to be QB2. I'd like him a lot more than Weeden this season. Weeden would probably remain unsigned which would give the Texans a non-roster QB3, who's just a phone call away.
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I’d love to have Keenum back, but i think he might be able to start somewhere - Washington perhaps, maybe one of the teams that drafts a first round QB could use Case as a 1 yr place holder
 
otisbean said:
I’d love to have Keenum back, but i think he might be able to start somewhere - Washington perhaps, maybe one of the teams that drafts a first round QB could use Case as a 1 yr place holder
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If the Texans wanted to sign Keenum as QB2, the biggest challenge might come from the Giants and Pat Shurmur. Manning could be released, the Giants draft a QB of the future, and sign CK as veteran who's familiar with PS's offense and bridges the gap for the rookie QB. If the rookie QB is a RD1 selection, CK may also realize his opportunity to bridge may be 6-8 games.....could make the Texans situation and playing in Texas look better.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
If the Texans wanted to sign Keenum as QB2, the biggest challenge might come from the Giants and Pat Shurmur. Manning could be released, the Giants draft a QB of the future, and sign CK as veteran who's familiar with PS's offense and bridges the gap for the rookie QB. If the rookie QB is a RD1 selection, CK may also realize his opportunity to bridge may be 6-6 games.....could make the Texans situation look better.
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I was thinking the Giants would be interested as well.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If the Texans wanted to sign Keenum as QB2, the biggest challenge might come from the Giants and Pat Shurmur. Manning could be released, the Giants draft a QB of the future, and sign CK as veteran who's familiar with PS's offense and bridges the gap for the rookie QB. If the rookie QB is a RD1 selection, CK may also realize his opportunity to bridge may be 6-8 games.....could make the Texans situation look better.
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How is zero starts except for injury more attractive than 6-8 starts?
 
infantrycak said:
How is zero starts except for injury more attractive than 6-8 starts?
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It wouldn't be but in both scenario's.....he's eventually QB2. The Giants wouldn't trade him once the torch is passed. He'd probably be offered slightly more money by the Giants as well, only b/c he's probably be the starter unless the drafted QB beat him in camp. If he realizes that his NFL career might be taking that turn towards NFL backup, maybe he'd like to be back in Texas to do that job.
 
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Houston Texans’ offer
Total years and value: five years, $75 million
Average per year: $15 million
Full guarantee at signing: $30 million
Total guarantee: $50 million
Three-year payout: $26 million after Year 1, $32 million after Year 2, $45 million after Year 3.

The Texans can make Bell the highest-paid running back and blow the money that has been guaranteed on other deals out of the water, and they will still be able to fill other holes on the team after they do so. Houston can front-load the contract and absorb a large cap hit in the first year because it has more than $78 million in cap space in 2019.


The Texans can offer Bell $26 million the first year and $45 million in the first three years of the contract, as well as $30 million guaranteed at signing. Even after they re-sign Jadeveon Clowney — either with the franchise tag or a new long-term contract — the team will have the money for this deal. Houston also has Deshaun Watson on a team-friendly rookie contract, which gives it flexibility to invest in other players before having to reward him with a huge extension.

If Bell signs with the Texans, he will join a good offense that will only get better with his contribution. By playing alongside DeAndre Hopkins, Bell would give Houston the best receiver-running back duo in football. The duo would give immense support to Watson, who was hampered by a lack of playmakers, an inconsistent running game and, most importantly, a poor offensive line. The Texans will try to improve the line through the draft and free agency, but adding a talent like Bell would help make everyone look better. Last season, they were eighth in rushing, 15th in total yards per game and 11th in points per game. A playmaker like Bell would put Houston over the top and surely help avoid another performance in the playoffs like it suffered against the Colts.

While starting back Lamar Miller has put up solid numbers in Houston, he is not as good of a playmaker as Bell, especially in the passing game. Bell would provide a boost to the Texans on the ground, but his most important contribution to the team would be the support he would give Watson. Bell, an elite pass-catcher, would add yet another dimension and level of support to coach Bill O’Brien’s offense. Houston failed in the playoffs against the Colts because of a lack of depth. With wide receiver Will Fuller V out with a torn ACL and Hopkins nursing a shoulder injury suffered in the first half, Watson didn’t have anyone to turn to. Adding an elite runner who could provide a massive boost in the passing game could be just what this team needs.


The Texans faltered in the playoffs but showed they have talent on their roster by winning 11 of their last 13 regular-season games. They have never been to an AFCChampionship Game, but the addition of Bell could be the difference-maker. If Bell wants to win a Super Bowl, Houston is his best landing spot. — Sarah Barshop

THE FINAL DECISION
Let me count the reasons why I’m advising my client to accept the Texans’ offer from the three made here today.

The contract: The $15 million annual average and $30 million fully guaranteed both raise the bar at the running back position. None of the other offers here exceeds those figures or reaches the $50 million in total guarantees. For the sake of comparison, Gurley got $21.95 million fully guaranteed. The Texans are offering the best combination of numbers even though their deal is the only one exceeding four years (either way, this is probably my client’s only monster deal).

Green Bay’s offer was outstanding, and better in some ways. The two-year payout of $38 million was appealing because, let’s face it, any team signing a free agent to a deal of this magnitude could move on after a couple of seasons, but probably not after one. How many running backs could turn down $19 million a year for two years? The Packers’ offer also mirrors what some contract negotiators around the league have predicted my client would take. It’s a good offer. The Jets were a tick lower in average per year. Hitting the $15 million-a-year mark was appealing.

State income tax: Wisconsin and New Jersey have state income taxes for individuals. Texas does not. That means my client will keep more of his money playing for the Texans than he would playing for the Packers or Jets. The AFC South schedule takes the Texans to other states without income taxes (Florida, Tennessee), shielding additional income from Uncle Sam. It’s a potential tiebreaker.

The team: If winning was the most important consideration, my client would have stayed with Pittsburgh. That doesn’t mean my client is only about the contract. The opportunity for on-field team success becomes a consideration once the financial parameters are satisfactory. All three teams making offers carry some appeal that way, but Houston offers a roster loaded with superstars in their prime years. Who wouldn’t want to play with Watson, Hopkins and J.J. Watt?

The city: There is only one New York market, but Houston is the fourth-largest city in the country and on track to overtake Chicago for the third spot. No complaints there.

Final thoughts: Critics will say my client should have taken the Steelers’ previous offers, that he’ll never recoup lost earnings. They might be right, but my client wanted choices. He wanted to test the market. He won that right and secured the deal and situation he found most appealing. He did it on his terms. That was important to him.


The conflict with the Steelers was unfortunate. What no one predicted, really, was that the Rams would re-sign Gurley so early and for so much money. That raised the bar past where the Steelers were comfortable going, and helped us get to where we are today.

This entire process has been a grind. It’s a relief to finally have a resolution. — Mike Sando, playing the part of Bell’s agent
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zshawn10 said:
Rob Demovsky

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What an offer to Le’Veon Bell from the Packers might look like and would he take it? We explore the possibilities on @espn

Story here:
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7:27 AM - Feb 25, 2019
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I think the Texans could get Bell inked for something slightly higher than the forecasted Packers deal. Still get an offer to Brown and tag Clowney. Clowney can be shopped or he can play for the tag. I'd still draft Henderson (Memphis RB) as insurance for the future....mostly if Foreman isn't the same RB.
 
Texansphan said:
I am intrigued by Bell simply because he kills two birds with one stone - he is a RB and receiver and Texans could do with a little insurance on both accounts.
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A lot more than that to be intrigued by.:handshake:
steelbtexan said:
I see you've still got a hard on for Bell.

His market isn't going to be what he thought it was. With that said it only take one team for Bell to get his $$$$. Hopefully that team isn't the Texans.
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Of course it only take one but most of us have said we want Cal to be aggressive this off season. I and others have said willing to over pay some for right player and like Texansphan said Bell solidifies two spots. He could not only help Oline and #4 (Bell is prototypical blocker and great receiver) but could make Miller better also. I still want LM gone though. The only negative about Le'veon Bell is he might be on down side rather than his peak and nothing supports that. I agree on his market and have posted so. Notice that nothing is leaking from Texans about any player, theirs or others. I thought they would have resigned more than just Henderson like Fairburn for example. They seem to be allowing the hype and "what ifs" blow through. Other teams setting the market before March 13 is smart imo.

JB said:
IDK, if you could get him on a McCoy type contract, $10 mil cap hit or less over 5 years with next to no dead money after 3, might be worth looking at
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I agree and have him at a first year cap cost of $10m. As I've posted, the disagreement with Pitts was over guaranteed $ and has since come out that the $33 m alleged guarantee in the 5 year $70 m Steelers offer was not as many thought. Only ten was up front bucks and the remainder was a sliding or rolling figure that might not have been paid. Much has been said about Bell but over all he has been fairly professional about this. Not sure if CAL is doing this intentionally but being patient and quiet has other teams like Jets making stupid comments like saying Bell was 260 lbs. NY has cap and is big market but chance to get a ring? Eagles is now the supposed landing spot but they have little space.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Eddie Lacy had the same problem when he let himself go after an ankle injury which took him away from football for a while. He was never able to get his mindset into effectively getting back into playing weight and shape. He went from over 5 yds/carry to <2.8 yds/carry.......and out of football.
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Lacy is a very sad situation. A great back in college who seemed to have good work ethic and then as you say out of football. I was really surprised he seemingly put so little into getting in NFL shape. Got his pension and living off it I guess.
 
badboy said:
Lacy is a very sad situation. A great back in college who seemed to have good work ethic and then as you say out of football. I was really surprised he seemingly put so little into getting in NFL shape. Got his pension and living off it I guess.
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Chalk him up to another great bama running back..
 
Max said:
Glad to hear it but I hope we're not relying on this report when considering talent acquisition.
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Nothing more than an opinion being presented as just another perspective. I'm cool with this. The Packers offer as presented could be very close as to what the market bears for Bell. It'll be 3 years guaranteed.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Nothing more than an opinion being presented as just another perspective. I'm cool with this. The Packers offer as presented could be very close as to what the market bears for Bell. It'll be 3 years guaranteed.
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I sure hope the Texans dont get into the market of guaranteeing any RB 3 yrs of big $$$$. You're 1 injury away from cap hell and diminished returns on your $$$$.
 
steelbtexan said:
I sure hope the Texans dont get into the market of guaranteeing any RB 3 yrs of big $$$$. You're 1 injury away from cap hell and diminished returns on your $$$$.
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Colts have 107 million and they wont be sitting on their hands so we need to keep pace with them.
We need to upgrade our offense and Bell does that.
Unknown rookies are not upgrades unless you get lucky and hit on one.
If we draft a wideout, it won't be in the first few rounds and he is a quality RB as well. Lower round guys are more of a crapshoot than the top tier ones.
JJ and the fans of course deserve every chance FO can give this team and sometimes it just takes one spark to ignite an offense.
 
Texansphan said:
Colts have 107 million and they wont be sitting on their hands so we need to keep pace with them.
We need to upgrade our offense and Bell does that.
Unknown rookies are not upgrades unless you get lucky and hit on one.
If we draft a wideout, it won't be in the first few rounds and he is a quality RB as well. Lower round guys are more of a crapshoot than the top tier ones.
JJ and the fans of course deserve every chance FO can give this team and sometimes it just takes one spark to ignite an offense.
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I am not sure how good any RB will be behind last years o-line. Better to invest heavy in the o-line than to dump that much cash into a RB.
 
Texansphan said:
Colts have 107 million and they wont be sitting on their hands so we need to keep pace with them.
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Disagree... yes we need to add talent to this team.

However, one of the absolute worst things you can do is allow another team dictate on how you spend your cap or overspending on players just so "team x" doesn't get him. If the Colts want to blow their wad on Bell.. let them.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Disagree... yes we need to add talent to this team.

However, one of the absolute worst things you can do is allow another team dictate on how you spend your cap or overspending on players just so "team x" doesn't get him. If the Colts want to blow their wad on Bell.. let them.
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like a couple seasons back when we had a trade in place with the Pats to move back into the first round to draft Phillip Dorsett, it got leaked so the Colts drafted him despite not needing him just to prevent us from getting him? lol
 
Carr Bombed said:
Disagree... yes we need to add talent to this team.

However, one of the absolute worst things you can do is allow another team dictate on how you spend your cap or overspending on players just so "team x" doesn't get him. If the Colts want to blow their wad on Bell.. let them.
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Never said that.
I'm trying to get across the point that right now Colts are better than us and have 107 mill in cap and won't be sitting on their hands - so, what are we going to do to do to try and overtake them?
Bell is a known quantity unlike rookies and he was not happy at Steelers. Imagine how good he could be if he comes over here feeling a whole lot better about himself?
 
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Carr Bombed said:
Disagree... yes we need to add talent to this team.

However, one of the absolute worst things you can do is allow another team dictate on how you spend your cap or overspending on players just so "team x" doesn't get him. If the Colts want to blow their wad on Bell.. let them.
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Never said that.
I'm trying to get across the point that right now Colts are better than us and have 107 mill in cap and won't be sitting on their hands - so, what are we going to do to do to try and overtake them?
Bell is a known quantity unlike rookies and he was not happy at Steelers. Imagine how good he could be if he comes over here feeling a whole lot better about himself?
It's not all that common for players of his caliber to hit FA. This is a golden opportunity for Texans.
 
Texansphan said:
Never said that.
I'm trying to get across the point that right now Colts are better than us and have 107 mill in cap and won't be sitting on their hands - so, what are we going to do to do to try and overtake them?
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Whenever you see a team with that much cap they have a bunch of free agents, in Indy's case 25, so they aren't really the team from last year.
 
Texansphan said:
Colts have 107 million and they wont be sitting on their hands so we need to keep pace with them.
We need to upgrade our offense and Bell does that.
Unknown rookies are not upgrades unless you get lucky and hit on one.
If we draft a wideout, it won't be in the first few rounds and he is a quality RB as well. Lower round guys are more of a crapshoot than the top tier ones.
JJ and the fans of course deserve every chance FO can give this team and sometimes it just takes one spark to ignite an offense.
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Agreed about upgrading the offense. Signing Trent/John Brown and a RB like Tevin Coleman would be a much better way to spend the money to upgrade the offense. IMHO
 
Shishkabob said:
like a couple seasons back when we had a trade in place with the Pats to move back into the first round to draft Phillip Dorsett, it got leaked so the Colts drafted him despite not needing him just to prevent us from getting him? lol
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How did that turn out for the Colts
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed about upgrading the offense. Signing Trent/John Brown and a RB like Tevin Coleman would be a much better way to spend the money to upgrade the offense. IMHO
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I thought about JB, but the thought on him is that he is a bit of a locker room cancer. If Texans FO get wind of that, they won't touch him with a barge pole.
Edit - apologies about John Brown, I was thinking Antonio Brown.
Is JB better than Randall Cobb?
 
Texansphan said:
I thought about JB, but the thought on him is that he is a bit of a locker room cancer. If Texans FO get wind of that, they won't touch him with a barge pole.
Edit - apologies about John Brown, I was thinking Antonio Brown.
Is JB better than Randall Cobb?
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JB is a different type of WR than Cobb. He's more of a deep threat whereas Cobb is a slot guy. JB is the more valuable player to have.
 
Texansphan said:
Never said that.
I'm trying to get across the point that,right now Colts are better than us and have 107 mill in cap and won't be sitting on their hands - so, what are we going to do to do to try and overtake them?
Bell is a known quantity unlike rookies and he was not happy at Steelers. Imagine how good he could be if he comes over here feeling a whole lot better about himself?
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Fix the oline and add a shutdown corner and I think last years team is better than the Colts.
 
Texansballer74 said:
We got outcoached by the Colts. I don't think they were better than us.
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I didn't realize it at the time .... I was watching, and admiring their line .... they looked like a well-oiled machine. Then, they played the Patriots, and the line looked like "Ned in the first primer", or even worse - our line ! I suppose that illustrates that the need for good coaching is nearly as necessary as good talent .... NAHHH .... just kidding !
 
Texansphan said:
Never said that.
I'm trying to get across the point that,right now Colts are better than us and have 107 mill in cap and won't be sitting on their hands - so, what are we going to do to do to try and overtake them?
Bell is a known quantity unlike rookies and he was not happy at Steelers. Imagine how good he could be if he comes over here feeling a whole lot better about himself?
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Toss in a new and improved OL with Watson, Hopkins, Fuller, Coutee, the Jordan's, a healthy Foreman to help reduce the workload, Miller being properly utilized as a 3rd down back and that would appear to be more than a good enough start for LeVeon Bell.....enough so that the Colts would have to up their game to compete with this offense.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
Toss in a new and improved OL with Watson, Hopkins, Fuller, Coutee, the Jordan's, a healthy Foreman to help reduce the workload, Miller being properly utilized as a 3rd down back and that would appear to be more than a good enough start for LeVeon Bell.....enough so that the Colts would have to up their game to compete with this offense.
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Agree.
We can't halfass these next couple of seasons if we want to try and win it all for JJ and keep pace with the Colts and oh, don't look now but if Jax gets Foles, they could very quickly return to their 2017 form and suddenly this division is a real dogfight.
Quality free agents of Bell, Trent Brown caliber are not all that common so we have to try and make hay while the sun shines.
 
Texansphan said:
Agree.
We can't halfass these next couple of seasons if we want to try and win it all for JJ and keep pace with the Colts and oh, don't look now but if Jax gets Foles, they could very quickly return to their 2017 form and suddenly this division is a real dogfight.
Quality free agents of Bell, Trent Brown caliber are not all that common so we have to try and make hay while the sun shines.
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That would be my focus this off season.....get me; Trent Brown, LeVeon Bell, then sign the Texans FA's they wish to keep. If Clowney isn't happy with the tag and is seeking to be the highest paid EGDE/DE hybrid, then he's going to have to get that payday elsewhere.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
That would be my focus this off season.....get me; Trent Brown, LeVeon Bell, then sign the Texans this team wishes to keep. If Clowney isn't happy with the tag and is seeking to be the highest paid EGDE/DE hybrid, then he's going to have to get that payday elsewhere.
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If they tag him can they trade him?
 
Texansphan said:
If they tag him can they trade him?
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I found this:

A franchise-tagged player can be traded and teams can work out any compensation they like; they can deviate from the two first-round draft picks that a franchise-tagged player's new team must give to his previous team if the player is signed to an offer sheet not matched by his previous team. Updated: Feb 20, 2018

Wanted to include this as well:

https://www.thoughtco.com/franchise-tags-and-transition-tags-1333788
 
justmy2cents said:
I didn't realize it at the time .... I was watching, and admiring their line .... they looked like a well-oiled machine. Then, they played the Patriots, and the line looked like "Ned in the first primer", or even worse - our line ! I suppose that illustrates that the need for good coaching is nearly as necessary as good talent .... NAHHH .... just kidding !
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This is why I think it is always a combination of talent and coaching - is the Colts OL more talented than the Texans, uhh YEAH - no question. But when the Colts played the Evil Mastermind (Patriots coach - you know who I mean) that Oline didn't look nearly so good.

The Evil Mastermind is brilliant at a game plan for each opponent, it says quite a bit about him that he can still confuse Luck with coverages and line calls.

Do I expect BoB to = the Evil Mastermind, no - but I would like to actually see some of this game plan for each opponent stuff - to me it just always looks like old school "we're going to line up and do what we do, and if we can't beat you that way we didn't deserve to win" mentality. It didn't even look like we tried to get to Luck our brilliant scheme was to every now and then move Clowney inside.

Could have been a talent issue - but as many on here pointed out, at least for a play - one damn play, try and jam the receivers at the line, maybe it would have failed and they got a TD off of you, but your normal plan wasn't working either.

What do I know - it's way to dang early and I am severely caffeine deficient - in simple terms, I don't really see the Texans try and do enough to be innovative during a game, I haven't quit on BoB yet I think he is a mediocre HC/OC at the moment but give him another draft, if the talent from that draft sucks or he fails to use it (after having his hand-picked GM) then he has to go.

edit: by innovative - I want to be clear I'm not talking about trick plays and gadgets, but specifically in a game, move away from what they normally do and try something else. Again as an example - our DB's are back peddling and being run by - let's try and jam that 'tiny' receiver Ty Hilton, just knock him on his ass at the line and see if we can throw off their timing - something.
 
justmy2cents said:
I didn't realize it at the time .... I was watching, and admiring their line .... they looked like a well-oiled machine. Then, they played the Patriots, and the line looked like "Ned in the first primer", or even worse - our line ! I suppose that illustrates that the need for good coaching is nearly as necessary as good talent .... NAHHH .... just kidding !
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Did you watch the Colts game? because they didn't play the Patriots in the playoffs lol. They played the Pats in week 5, but we had quite a bit more success against their line in week 4(4 sacks) then the Patriots did in week 5(1 sack).

I guess you might be talking about KC who the Colts actually played after us. Their defense finished #1 in sacks last season though with 52, we finished tied for 11th with 43. Chiefs had the best pass rush in the league last year, mainly because Chris Jones is a beast up the middle, so QBs can't step up and it allows guys like Dee Ford and Justin Houston to feast.
 
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