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Olinemen in the 2019 draft.

OptimisticTexan said:
Yeah, this tape keeps Risner firmly in place as my RD1-23 pick.....if he makes it to the Texans pick. After this film and write-ups, his stock is going to rise b/c it appears he's a Day 1 starter in the NFL.
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I see Risner going in the second round, not first.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Yeah, this tape keeps Risner firmly in place as my RD1-23 pick.....if he makes it to the Texans pick. After this film and write-ups, his stock is going to rise b/c it appears he's a Day 1 starter in the NFL.
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He got successfully bull rushed by both Mack and Wren in the last 2 shots... I don't know why that's cause for celebration, or why the writer counts it as a win. We saw what that can do 11 offensive plays into our season when Davenport got bull rushed back into the pocket and it ended with our RT getting his ankle broke
 
Shishkabob said:
He got successfully bull rushed by both Mack and Wren in the last 2 shots... I don't know why that's cause for celebration, or why the writer counts it as a win. We saw what that can do 11 offensive plays into our season when Davenport got bull rushed back into the pocket and it ended with our RT getting his ankle broke
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The idea would be great to nail and stop a bull rush at the line of scrimmage, but mostly riding the bull rusher around the pocket is just fine as well and putting an exclamation point on it by knocking them to the ground is also nice. Gruden really liked it.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
The idea would be great to nail and stop a bull rush at the line of scrimmage but, mostly riding the bull rusher around the pocket is just fine....putting an exclamation point on it by knocking them to the ground is also nice. Gruden really liked it.
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He didn't knock either Mack or Wren to the ground. He did a better job with the bull rush on Mack, right around 3 seconds until he is closing in on the QB making him have to move off his spot. With Wren it was horrible IMO, about 2 seconds from snap until Gruden is flushed out of the pocket because Wren is pushing Risner into his lap. There is no issue with "riding" the bull rush, but when you're tackle is pushed back to behind your center your QB is going to have a bad time
 
Shishkabob said:
He didn't knock either Mack or Wren to the ground. He did a better job with the bull rush on Mack, right around 3 seconds until he is closing in on the QB making him have to move off his spot. With Wren it was horrible IMO, about 2 seconds from snap until Gruden is flushed out of the pocket because Wren is pushing Risner into his lap. There is no issue with "riding" the bull rush, but when you're tackle is pushed back to behind your center your QB is going to have a bad time
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Wren and who?
 
Watched some game tape of Risner and what jumps out is how well he combo blocks and getting to the 2nd level in the run game. I haven't watched enough guys to say he's my preference but he would clearly be a big upgrade at RT.
 
Max said:
Watched some game tape of Risner and what jumps out is how well he combo blocks and getting to the 2nd level in the run game. I haven't watched enough guys to say he's my preference but he would clearly be a big upgrade at RT.
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Over Lamm for sure, but we don't know about Henderson yet do we? Are they wanting to spend a very high draft pick at RT?
 
JB said:
I just don't think that they would spend one of the top 3 picks on RT after resigning Henderson for what they did. I could very well be wrong
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Ok, thought you were asking about a rt early just on general draft philosophy.
 
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JB said:
I just don't think that they would spend one of the top 3 picks on RT after resigning Henderson for what they did. I could very well be wrong
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Henderson was signed for one year if you don't play you don't get paid contract. This might help the Texans not reach in the draft or overspend in free agency but hardly shows that the Texans are sure about Henderson as an RT.
 
At #23, Risner might be the best OT available. The best LT's could be off the board. If RT is answered first, then that's ok if the Texans sign a veteran LT to mentor Davenport a little longer. The bigger question might be:

1. I like CB, Trayvon Mullen a lot if he's still there at 23?

2. I also like the RB, Josh Jacobs, Alabama or David Montgomery, Iowa State if their still on the board at 23.

Worth asking: If the top LT's are off the board and the following were available, who would you pick?

1. RT- Risner
2. CB- Mullen
3. RB- Jacobs
4. RB- Montgomery
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Henderson was signed for one year if you don't play you don't get paid contract. This might help the Texans not reach in the draft or overspend in free agency but hardly shows that the Texans are sure about Henderson as an RT.
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Not quite... he's getting 4.5MIL unless not on game day rosters... he could be supplanted, but that kind of money tells me they figure for a starter or top backup. They won't spend a top 3 pick (that it will take to get Risner or Edwards. They may use a late round pick on a strictly RT, but I doubt that... too many of them out there
 
OptimisticTexan said:
At #23, Risner might be the best OT available. The best LT's could be off the board. If RT is answered first, then that's ok if the Texans sign a veteran LT to mentor Davenport a little longer. The bigger question might be:

1. I like CB, Trayvon Mullen a lot if he's still there at 23?

2. I also like the RB, Josh Jacobs, Alabama or David Montgomery, Iowa State if their still on the board at 23.

Worth asking: If the top LT's are off the board and the following were available, who would you pick?

1. RT- Risner
2. CB- Mullen
3. RB- Jacobs
4. RB- Montgomery
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Who else is available? Who are the 'top' LT's in your mind that may be gone? What about DL or LB?

No way to know until draft and options unfold. Trade down/up?
 
OptimisticTexan said:
At #23, Risner might be the best OT available. The best LT's could be off the board. If RT is answered first, then that's ok if the Texans sign a veteran LT to mentor Davenport a little longer. The bigger question might be:

1. I like CB, Trayvon Mullen a lot if he's still there at 23?

2. I also like the RB, Josh Jacobs, Alabama or David Montgomery, Iowa State if their still on the board at 23.

Worth asking: If the top LT's are off the board and the following were available, who would you pick?

1. RT- Risner
2. CB- Mullen
3. RB- Jacobs
4. RB- Montgomery
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Risner.
Has a nasty streak and a chip on his shoulder.
 
JB said:
Not quite... he's getting 4.5MIL unless not on game day rosters... he could be supplanted, but that kind of money tells me they figure for a starter or top backup. They won't spend a top 3 pick (that it will take to get Risner or Edwards. They may use a late round pick on a strictly RT, but I doubt that... too many of them out there
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If you believe they are drafting for the short-term need, then yes. Long-term the Texans still need a right tackle (see 1-year, very cuttable contract).
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
If you believe they are drafting for the short-term need, then yes. Long-term the Texans still need a right tackle (see 1-year, very cuttable contract).
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good point!. I hope Gaine is smart enough to think long term, and hope OB is smart enough to think win now
 
JB said:
Who are the 'top' LT's in your mind that may be gone?
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First, let's look at the number of OT's from the past 10 drafts from picks number 1-22 who were selected. I count 30. From that 30, I would say 6 were drafted without the intent of ever playing LT. That would make it on average 2.4 LTs taken prior to pick #23. I would put this draft as no more than average at the LT spot. So, it looks like 2 or 3 LTs will likely be taken before the Texans pick at #23.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
At #23, Risner might be the best OT available. The best LT's could be off the board. If RT is answered first, then that's ok if the Texans sign a veteran LT to mentor Davenport a little longer. The bigger question might be:

1. I like CB, Trayvon Mullen a lot if he's still there at 23?

2. I also like the RB, Josh Jacobs, Alabama or David Montgomery, Iowa State if their still on the board at 23.

Worth asking: If the top LT's are off the board and the following were available, who would you pick?

1. RT- Risner
2. CB- Mullen
3. RB- Jacobs
4. RB- Montgomery
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Risner
 
OptimisticTexan said:
At #23, Risner might be the best OT available. The best LT's could be off the board. If RT is answered first, then that's ok if the Texans sign a veteran LT to mentor Davenport a little longer. The bigger question might be:

1. I like CB, Trayvon Mullen a lot if he's still there at 23?

2. I also like the RB, Josh Jacobs, Alabama or David Montgomery, Iowa State if their still on the board at 23.

Worth asking: If the top LT's are off the board and the following were available, who would you pick?

1. RT- Risner
2. CB- Mullen
3. RB- Jacobs
4. RB- Montgomery
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Let me begin by saying I really like him, but I would be quite concerned about Risner's durability.........specifically his shoulderS.........both shoulders. Risner said he had played through pain in his left shoulder since the middle of his sophomore camp and then hurt his right shoulder as a junior, not to mention a high ankle sprain that he also suffered the 2nd game of that year, an injury that dogged him the entire year..........as did both of his shoulder injuries. He later stated that during the 2017 season, his left shoulder dislocated each and every game (no doubt one tough son of a gun). After the 2017 campaign, he opted to miss the Cactus Bowl and forego an early college exit for the NFL..........rather choosing to have surgery for his fully torn left shoulder labrum while anticipating that he would thereafter need repair of his left shoulder. Fortunately, he was able to conservatively rehab his right shoulder and at least for the time being avoid another surgery.

As a RT, I would especially be concerned about his right shoulder holding up to pass protection from the outside. Pass protection has been his greatest noted weakness.........and could be due at least in part to his right shoulder injury.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Let me begin by saying I really like him, but I would be quite concerned about Risner's durability.........specifically his shoulderS.........both shoulders. Risner said he had played through pain in his left shoulder since the middle of his sophomore camp and then hurt his right shoulder as a junior, not to mention a high ankle sprain that he also suffered the 2nd game of that year, an injury that dogged him the entire year..........as did both of his shoulder injuries. He later stated that during the 2017 season, his left shoulder dislocated each and every game (no doubt one tough son of a gun). After the 2017 campaign, he opted to miss the Cactus Bowl and forego an early college exit for the NFL..........rather choosing to have surgery for his fully torn left shoulder labrum while anticipating that he would thereafter need repair of his left shoulder. Fortunately, he was able to conservatively rehab his right shoulder and at least for the time being avoid another surgery.

As a RT, I would especially be concerned about his right shoulder holding up to pass protection from the outside. Pass protection has been his greatest noted weakness.........and could be due at least in part to his right shoulder injury.
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When those joints keep popping out that's not a good thing.
My daughters knee would pop out occasionally (she was 15, 16 at the time) and it was not fun.
 
It's possible O'Brien may like Davenport more than some of us. I'm thinking an OT that could push/replace D but also play OG and RT plus be available in round three. A QB walk on at Alabama State hoping to play TE; was moved to OT soph year and told to "eat up". He did to 6'5" 325 and retained his quick feet. Hands 10 5/8" arms 34 3/4" with wing 79 3/8 ".

https://www.al.com/sports/2019/01/bigger-is-better-to-alabama-states-tytus-howard.html
Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline writes that Alabama State T Tytus Howard was "as good as advertised" on Tuesday's Reese's Senior Bowl practice.

Howard measured in at 6-foot-5, 322-pounds on Tuesday, and then went on to have one of the better offensive lineman performances at practice in Pauline's eyes. "Lining up exclusively at right tackle, he looked explosive and athletic and blocked with great fundamentals," he writes. "For the most part, he got the better of the top-rated talent he faced off against including Montez Sweat, Oshane Ximines and Carl Granderson." There are going to be questions about Howard's lack of play against quality opponents, but those questions are going to get a lot of answers this week in Mobile. So far, so good.


Source: Draft Analyst
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I would not be shocked if a LT is taken at #23 but if Williams, Little and perhaps Taylor gone, I could see Murphy a cover corner that pretty much shuts down his opponent being selected. I have seen mocks with Cajusty and Dillard available in second round which could be very interesting for Houston.
 
Who’s everyone’s first and second choice at both OT positions?

LT: 1. Dillard 2. Cajuste
RT: 1. McGary 2. Risner (although it was very hard to rank them)
 
TexansFan15 said:
Who’s everyone’s first and second choice at both OT positions?

LT: 1. Dillard 2. Cajuste
RT: 1. McGary 2. Risner (although it was very hard to rank them)
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No Edwards? Rsner's injury history scares me after Doc's post
 
TexansFan15 said:
Who’s everyone’s first and second choice at both OT positions?

LT: 1. Dillard 2. Cajuste
RT: 1. McGary 2. Risner (although it was very hard to rank them)
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LT, Dillard due to Cajuste injury history, but I won't be upset if Cajuste is the pick.

RT, Edoga or the guy from N. Illinois
 
TexansFan15 said:
Edwards has injury history as well if I remember correctly.

Edwards would be 3rd on my list.
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Last season in fall TC, Edwards sustained a Grade II left shoulder "burner" which caused significant weakness of his left upper extremity. He admitted that this caused him a great deal of problems throughout the season. He re-injured the shoulder at the end of the season and was unable to play in the Pinstripe Bowl.

A “burner” is a common nerve injury resulting from trauma to the neck and shoulder, specifically to the brachial plexus.

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Burners recur frequently. One study of college football players found that 87 percent had a recurrence. Another study found that of 36 athletes with neck injuries causing time loss from sports participation, 15 (42 percent) experienced subsequent neck injuries. The risk of permanent nerve injury from recurrent burners has not been determined. In light of the high incidence of burners, this risk appears to be low. However, burners can clearly lead to a chronic syndrome that limits athletic participation.
 
Seriously, I'm rubbing my neck just from reading this post. I haven't played football in 39 years. WTH.
 
steelbtexan said:
LT, Dillard due to Cajuste injury history, but I won't be upset if Cajuste is the pick.

RT, Edoga or the guy from N. Illinois
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Dillard doesn't sound like he'll transition well to the NFL as a LT.........by several sources, questionable footwork, strength and run blocking skills.

He looked better to me in the Senior Bowl than during the season. I've always wondered how much you can legitimately garner from a player's performance in that one specific game..........as opposed to being able to watch, assess their "coachability" in their preceding practices (by the hands-on Senior Bowl coaches).
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Dillard doesn't sound like he'll transition well to the NFL as a LT.........by several sources, questionable footwork, strength and run blocking skills.

He looked better to me in the Senior Bowl than during the season. I've always wondered how much you can legitimately garner from a player's performance in that one specific game..........as opposed to being able to watch, assess their "coachability" in their preceding practices (by the hands-on coaches)/
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I watched many games of Dillards and he has the feet to play LT. He needs to improve his strength to improve in the run game.

Cajuste also has the feet and the power that Dillard doesn't have. But his injury history scares me and I would rather have an injury free guy like Dillard who will gain strength with NFL S&C than Cajuste and his injury risks.


My general thoughts are against spending high rd picks on guys with injury histories in college because they get injured in the pro's. (You can speak much better about this than I ever could and if I'm wrong please let me know.) With that said, if Williams/Little/Dillard are gone I would pick Cajuste and hope for the best. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
 
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