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**Official Game-Day Thread** Texans at Jets Saturday Dec 15th, 2018!!

NitroGSXR said:
10-4. Ten and four! I’m stoked.

Many of you are going to be paying attention to the Colts/Titans games. Not me... my primary focus is on the Pittsburgh game tomorrow.

GO STEELERS!
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Yep, Steelers - Pats is the game tomorrow. We could be the 2nd .....................No, I want say it. :)
 
TexansBull said:
I am not trying to vilify Watson, but just want to know if the TEs are out there and part of the plays that are being called so he can throw to him?

I will easily believe that OB isn’t calling plays to involve the TEs, but Watson does have the bad habit of holding the ball too long going for the big play. So could he be overlooking the TEs.

It’s weird because against Tennessee (I think) the TEs appeared out of nowhere. Why was that?
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Watson tries to escape trouble instead of throwing it Out of Bounds. He has too many sacks.
 
thunderkyss said:
We just saw a young QB play behind a poor offensive line but his coach & the play calling successfully reduced the pass rush. Same thing we saw against the Browns. Same thing against the Colts (though they may very well be more talented).

We can't keep using the "bad OL" argument after watching how the Jets managed Jj freak'n Watt & Clowney tonight.

& we give up 6 sacks. Pathetic.
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Browns did a good job against Texans pass rush but Mayfield still had 3 first half INTs.

JJ/Clowney had 3 sacks tonight... not exactly managing the two of them. Especially Watt. He played great today.

But I get what you're saying. I think they really miss Coutee right now. They are in desperate need of a pass catcher that can get open quickly for DW4 to dump off to when the heat is coming. They just don't have a pass catcher that can create on their own right now other than Hopkins (who isn't the best at getting separation either). Part of that comes down to coaching. But also Fuller/Coutee being out.
 
thunderkyss said:
We just saw a young QB play behind a poor offensive line but his coach & the play calling successfully reduced the pass rush. Same thing we saw against the Browns. Same thing against the Colts (though they may very well be more talented).

We can't keep using the "bad OL" argument after watching how the Jets managed Jj freak'n Watt & Clowney tonight.

& we give up 6 sacks. Pathetic.
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Just so you will stop spouting Ignorant takes, here are the facts.

The Jets have a pretty good pass blocking line vs the trash that the Texans are putting out there in front of Watson.


Football Outsider Rankings 12-11-18


Team / Pass Protection Ranking / No. of Sacks / Adjusted Sack Rate

NYJ / 13 /28 / 6.6%

Hou / 31 /48 / 10.8%


BOB is not throwing to the TE's because he is keeping them in max protecting, in an attempt to keep Watson from being dismembered.

At least know the actual statistics before you spout nonsense.
 
AggiebyMarriage said:
Just so you will stop spouting Ignorant takes, here are the facts.

The Jets have a pretty good pass blocking line vs the trash that the Texans are putting out there in front of Watson.


Football Outsider Rankings 12-11-18


Team / Pass Protection Ranking / No. of Sacks / Adjusted Sack Rate

NYJ / 13 /28 / 6.6%

Hou / 31 /48 / 10.8%


BOB is not throwing to the TE's because he is keeping them in max protecting, in an attempt to keep Watson from being dismembered.

At least know the actual statistics before you spout nonsense.
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We max protected very little this game.
 
AggiebyMarriage said:
Just so you will stop spouting Ignorant takes, here are the facts.

The Jets have a pretty good pass blocking line vs the trash that the Texans are putting out there in front of Watson.


Football Outsider Rankings 12-11-18


Team / Pass Protection Ranking / No. of Sacks / Adjusted Sack Rate

NYJ / 13 /28 / 6.6%

Hou / 31 /48 / 10.8%


BOB is not throwing to the TE's because he is keeping them in max protecting, in an attempt to keep Watson from being dismembered.

At least know the actual statistics before you spout nonsense.
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And yet the best drive of the game was when we spread them out and made quick decisions. OB has gone overboard with trying to protect Watson. He’s calling long developing plays and only has 2-3 people out in routes. Throw in the fact Hopkins and Thomas aren’t as athletic and can’t create quick separation and you end up with a trash scheme.
 
badboy said:
Yeah and Griffin missed a block that allowed #4 to get bulldozed. I remember saying "Davenport will get blamed even though he controlled his guy. If we are using a blocking TE why not Thomas?
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Thomas didn't do so hot either -- he allowed one of the few sacks that I would say weren't Watson's fault. But yes, I agree he's much better than Griffin. Griffin doesn't belong in the league imo.
 
Insignificant significants:
1)Aaron Colvin finally got on field and made decent play late in game. He's a corner FA we signed if you don't remember.
2) Reader had great game after beginning season hot and then JAG
3) Red Zone TD pass with 2:15 left in game
4) GM pickups D.Thomas and De'Andre Carter perhaps we will see him in slot?
5) Yards per play 5.6
6) Zero interceptions by Watson. Should be insignificant but due to his start...
7) Zero fumbles!
8) Penalties 5 for only 43.
 
Damn. There's that word again. If you knew that the Texans would be 11% on 3rd down, allow a 52% 3rd down rate, have an 11 minute deficit in the TOP, have fewer than 50 yds rushing, DW4 sacked 6 times would you bet on the Texans winning? Pure luck that they won this football game. As I've been saying since 2014, the 1 score win/loss ratio seems to reverse itself year in, year out. 2013, the Texans lost in ways that I still don't understand. In 2014, they won the same way. 2017, the Texans couldn't buy a win. 2018, the vast, vast majority of breaks have bounced the Texans way. I'll take any win the Texans can get, but I predicted that the Texans would get unlucky enough to win enough games to get into the playoffs with no real shot at doing much of anything and that would force another year of WTF are you doing OB???
 
TheRealJoker said:
Browns did a good job against Texans pass rush but Mayfield still had 3 first half INTs.

JJ/Clowney had 3 sacks tonight... not exactly managing the two of them. Especially Watt. He played great today.
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Yeah, but other than that.
 
The Horribles: rushing first downs one. Rushing third downs 1 of 9. Blue totally exposed after Miller leaves. Total rushing avg 2.8! Please Le'veon Bell, please ! Red Zone 1 of 4 on TD pass mentioned above. Probably many others especially on Crennel and O'Brien but I'm nauseated enough.
 
AggiebyMarriage said:
Just so you will stop spouting Ignorant takes, here are the facts.

The Jets have a pretty good pass blocking line vs the trash that the Texans are putting out there in front of Watson.


Football Outsider Rankings 12-11-18


Team / Pass Protection Ranking / No. of Sacks / Adjusted Sack Rate

NYJ / 13 /28 / 6.6%

Hou / 31 /48 / 10.8%


BOB is not throwing to the TE's because he is keeping them in max protecting, in an attempt to keep Watson from being dismembered.

At least know the actual statistics before you spout nonsense.
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Before you disrespect my nonsense make sure your argument counters my rant. All the football outsiders stats does is prove my point. They are better making lemonade with the lemons they have.

We max protect with TEs & send out two possession receivers who can't get separation. They draw up better route combinations, roll there QB out of the pocket, & teach there QB to throw the ball away.

Look at football outsiders pass rush numbers & tell me which team should have recorded 6 sacks.
 
thunderkyss said:
Before you disrespect my nonsense make sure your argument counters my rant. All the football outsiders stats does is prove my point. They are better making lemonade with the lemons they have.

We max protect with TEs & send out two possession receivers who can't get separation. They draw up better route combinations, roll there QB out of the pocket, & teach there QB to throw the ball away.

Look at football outsiders pass rush numbers & tell me which team should have recorded 6 sacks.
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My counter to your argument is that BOB and crew have done a pretty good job getting this clown act of a line to be ranked 31st in passing vs the "rock bottom of hell", which is where they should be ranked. This line has for the last two weeks has let free runners fly untouched to blast Deshauwn within a second of the snap.

This maybe the worse O-Line that the Texans have ever fielded, AND THAT IS BOLD STATEMENT SEEING HOW THE TEXANS HAVE A HISTORY OF SOME OF THE WORST O-LINES IN NFL HISTORY. (at least recent NFL history).
 
Offense has pretty much been addressed .. same ol same ol. Blitz pickup bad. Route concepts bad. I'm not as upset with playcalling as much as mismanaged timeouts. Good to see OBrien use Fairbairn as a weapon and not a last resort.

I'm concerned with the defense. That zone package needs to be improved. If Shareece Wright Is on the field next week someone should be fired.

I like Darnold, but he shouldn't have looked that good against us. They were without their #1 RB and WR.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Offense has pretty much been addressed .. same ol same ol. Blitz pickup bad. Route concepts bad. I'm not as upset with playcalling as much as mismanaged timeouts. Good to see OBrien use Fairbairn as a weapon and not a last resort.

I'm concerned with the defense. That zone package needs to be improved. If Shareece Wright Is on the field next week someone should be fired.

I like Darnold, but he shouldn't have looked that good against us. They were without their #1 RB and WR.
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We should be getting Kayvon Webster (or the idea of Kayvon Webster) pretty soon. For whatever that is worth.
 
Should the Texans be proud? Not enough that you could tell it. The D played well except for that long scoring run from scrimmage. Was that a TD or a disgrace? You're absolutely correct.
 
Texansphan said:
On the last couple drives, Watson was getting the ball out a LOT quicker - self preservation kicked in.
Mahomes is definitely throwing the ball better atm, but Watson wasn't doing so bad his first 7 games either - iow, it's still in there.
Let's hope he finds it in time for the postseason.
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Why do people continue to compare these two when they are in totally different offenses, different weapons, WAY different coaches, apples and oranges! It sounds like buyers remorse....
thunderkyss said:
Stop.

Follow the conversation. The argument is that "Watson is basically a rookie" excuse is played out.

4 qtrs & he couldn't figure out the 23rd ranked defense in the NFL. Neither he or OB. The game came down to desperately throwing 50/50 balls to Hopkins.

I can't wait till next year so we can find out how well Sean Ryan learned from the master... then see how fast BO'b scapegoats him.
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Texazan said:
Sure Watson is playing a part but he’s still going through his first full season under BOBs “offense” so he should get a partial pass. If it persists long term then all bets are off
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First off there was never a conversation or argument ...it was a simple post in the GT. So no you’re wrong I never said Watson is basically a rookie, my post STATES that this is Watson’s first year in BOB “offense” which was to say I'm not a fan of BOBs offense. I was being sarcastic, see posts 577 and 586 and quotes above. Your preaching to the choir......I said all bets are off on DW if he keeps this up (post 577)
 
Texansphan said:
He has no hot read. Need Coutee back. Or get a TE to play the middle.
Good teams will double Hopkins and what do we have left?
Our running game has been non-existent for two weeks in a row - not a good thing when you have a porous line.
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DC's have figured the best way to defense the Texans offense.....blitz and blitz some more. They kill two birds with one stone. They shut down the run forcing Watson to run for his life while the majority of pass plays come off like Hail Mary attempts.....everyone go long and don't look back until you're 15 yards downfield.
 
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Texas Jake said:
It is Watson who picks the target and throws the ball. The NFL seems to have found a way to counter Watson; now it is time for Watson to adjust to what the defense is doing now.
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Yes they did.....when OB decided to wear the OC hat as well as the HC hat. OB has made the offense extremely predictable and has found no way to get past burying the offense after the vast majority of his 1st down calls result in 2nd and 10, 11, 12, 13 to 15 yards. It's a hell of a shitehole to crawl out of if your Watson and the defense knows a blitz takes care of the run and or pass on 2nd down.
 
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Max said:
We max protected very little this game.
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OB may have called for Max Protect.....the results indicated that no one knew what Max Protect meant. OB's patented response, "yeah that's on me".

Like in Wedding Crasher's (One of my favorite movies), Vaughn is calling for "Hot Route" several times and finally Wilson turns to him and says, "What's a hot route, I don't what a hot route is"....or something like this. OB is standing on the sideline screaming, "Max Protect!.....Max Protect! And everyone is asking themselves, "does anyone know what this Max Protect thing is?
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
DC's have figured the best way to defense the Texans offense.....blitz and blitz some more. They kill two birds with one stone. They shut down the run forcing Watson to run for his life while the majority of pass plays come off like Hail Mary attempts.....everyone go long and don't look back until you're 15 yards downfield.
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They miss Fuller badly.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
DC's have figured the best way to defense the Texans offense.....blitz and blitz some more. They kill two birds with one stone. They shut down the run forcing Watson to run for his life while the majority of pass plays come off like Hail Mary attempts.....everyone go long and don't look back until you're 15 yards downfield.
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Always been so curious to BoB reasoning for not even trying to run a short pass game. Every team works us up the field with it so he knows what it can do. Yet here we are, everyone knows blitz is coming we still running 15 yard routes.
 
Jadmakaveli said:
Always been so curious to BoB reasoning for not even trying to run a short pass game. Every team works us up the field with it so he knows what it can do. Yet here we are, everyone knows blitz is coming we still running 15 yard routes.
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The receivers are also supposed to read the defense and adjust their routes accordingly... perhaps that's part of the problem
 
TheRealJoker said:
Correct and part of that comes from time in the system. Our #2 and 3 WRs currently Thomas/Carter have been with the team only a handful of games.
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Yep and some on here expect the offense o function like AJ/Hopkins are playing at WR. Couple this together with crappy OL play and being able to score 29 pts yesterday was really kind of amazing. Yet according to some BOB is doing a lousy job.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep and some on here expect the offense o function like AJ/Hopkins are playing at WR. Couple this together with crappy OL play and being able to score 29 pts yesterday was really kind of amazing. Yet according to some BOB is doing a lousy job.
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I don’t think he’s doing a “lousy” job but I do have qualms on whether or not if he can be consistent over the years. You know... I’m just a regular Joe who loves to watch football. I don’t know anything about it like these coaches yet I scratch my head at some of the stuff that BO’b does. At the end of the day though... -we- are 10-4 and I’m pretty effin’ optimistic with that.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep and some on here expect the offense o function like AJ/Hopkins are playing at WR. Couple this together with crappy OL play and being able to score 29 pts yesterday was really kind of amazing. Yet according to some BOB is doing a lousy job.
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The team plays hard week after week and are sitting at 10-4. Can't ask for much more than that. Everybody wants more, "Well why aren't they the best at ____?! Time to clean house!"
 
NitroGSXR said:
I don’t think he’s doing a “lousy” job but I do have qualms on whether or not if he can be consistent over the years. You know... I’m just a regular Joe who loves to watch football. I don’t know anything about it like these coaches yet I scratch my head at some of the stuff that BO’b does. At the end of the day though... -we- are 10-4 and I’m pretty effin’ optimistic with that.
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Some people cant be optimistic or admit they were wrong with how this season is going., or that the future is bright with Gaine as the GM/BOB as HC/RAC at DC and Watson at QB.

It's only human nature to be unable to admit you (Not you personally) were wrong.
 
thunderkyss said:
I can't wait till next year so we can find out how well Sean Ryan learned from the master... then see how fast BO'b scapegoats him.
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This is the kind of stuff I just don’t get from fans. I’m not a RAH RAH BIll O Brien guy and if I was the GM and had a do over it might not be him. However I would never want O’Brien or Ryan to fail NEXT YEAR so I could say “see I told you this guy sucks” Why are you even watching the games?

A10 win season, a playoff spot, probably a division title and here we have fans that are already looking to next year for failure.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep and some on here expect the offense o function like AJ/Hopkins are playing at WR. Couple this together with crappy OL play and being able to score 29 pts yesterday was really kind of amazing. Yet according to some BOB is doing a lousy job.
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I think he's doing OK as HC but lousy as OC. His play-calling is atrocious. He's not scheming to his offense's talent, limited as it is. I will say that he was much more creative yesterday than the vast majority of the season, but that was forced on him because Blue couldn't do squat and "up the middle" was even worse than usual.

Watson is clearly more productive playing up tempo and spread out or when using PA effectively. Quick hitters and RPO will slow down the pass rush. Watson also has to learn how to pick up blitzes better. Post snap reads were a problem for him in college also, so it's no surprise he's having that same problem in the NFL. His internal clock has to get faster. He's holding the ball too long too often.
 
DocBar said:
I think he's doing OK as HC but lousy as OC. His play-calling is atrocious. He's not scheming to his offense's talent, limited as it is. I will say that he was much more creative yesterday than the vast majority of the season, but that was forced on him because Blue couldn't do squat and "up the middle" was even worse than usual.

Watson is clearly more productive playing up tempo and spread out or when using PA effectively. Quick hitters and RPO will slow down the pass rush. Watson also has to learn how to pick up blitzes better. Post snap reads were a problem for him in college also, so it's no surprise he's having that same problem in the NFL. His internal clock has to get faster. He's holding the ball too long too often.
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What offensive talent are you talking about Scheming too? The triplets of Blue/Thomas/Carter.? He schemed a way to get Hopkins the ball 10 times yesterday. I think getting your best WR the ball 10 times is doing a pretty good job of scheming.

The rest of your post I'm in total agreement with.

BTW, getting 10 wins with a rookie QB/this OL/injuries to the WR corps is doing a pretty damn good job, despite what the mob of people on here that didn't like the BOB hire in the 1st place are posting.

I'm all for BOB getting an OC. The job is to big for 1 guy to be the HC/OC. IMHO
 
Texazan said:
This is the kind of stuff I just don’t get from fans. I’m not a RAH RAH BIll O Brien guy and if I was the GM and had a do over it might not be him. However I would never want O’Brien or Ryan to fail NEXT YEAR so I could say “see I told you this guy sucks” Why are you even watching the games?

A10 win season, a playoff spot, probably a division title and here we have fans that are already looking to next year for failure.
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Just posters being unable to admit they were wrong. That is all.

Kinda sad really.
 
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steelbtexan said:
What offensive talent are you talking about Scheming too? The triplets of Blue/Thomas/Carter.? He schemed a way to get Hopkins the ball 10 times yesterday. I think getting your best WR the ball 10 times is doing a pretty good job of scheming.

The rest of your post I'm in total agreement with.

BTW, getting 10 wins with a rookie QB/this OL/injuries to the WR corps is doing a pretty damn good job, despite what the mob of people on here that didn't like the BOB hire in the 1st place are posting.

I'm all for BOB getting an OC. The job is to big for 1 guy to be the HC/OC. IMHO
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The Jordan twin TEs have shown some talent and are the ones I'd like to see schemed for more often. Big bodies that can chip, get into the vacuum left by a blitzer and burn that blitz. Carter showed some flash when he's been on the field and so has Coutee. The only area really hurting for talent is the OL. RB would be the next area of concern for me if Miller's ankle is going to be an issue. No way will Blue and whoever else is on the team be able to pick up Miller's slack.
 
steelbtexan said:
Just posters being unable to admit they were wrong. That is all.

Kinda sad really.
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I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. If you can watch the games the Texans have played this year and concluded that the Texans are a talented, well coached team, then we will just have to disagree. I'm of the opinion that they are more talented than they are well coached, especially on the offensive side of the ball. The Texans will be one and done, bye week or not.
 
DocBar said:
The Jordan twin TEs have shown some talent and are the ones I'd like to see schemed for more often. Big bodies that can chip, get into the vacuum left by a blitzer and burn that blitz. Carter showed some flash when he's been on the field and so has Coutee. The only area really hurting for talent is the OL. RB would be the next area of concern for me if Miller's ankle is going to be an issue. No way will Blue and whoever else is on the team be able to pick up Miller's slack.
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Agreed, but the TE's are being used to cover the OL deficiencies. They did the chip and go thing with Griffin yesterday. I like Carter cant believe Gaine found him on the WW this late in the season. Anybody still longing for Braxton Miller?

A speed WR is where I think they are really lacking, but a case could be made that another RB is just as big of a need. I'm happy for Blue that a marginally talented RB is going to stick around long enough to get his pension.
 
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