Mr teX
Hall of Fame
You have to be able to protect to do that man. The colts were also dropping 6 dbs in coverage a lot of times to ensure nothing came open quickly very often.
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You have to be able to protect to do that man. The colts were also dropping 6 dbs in coverage a lot of times to ensure nothing came open quickly very often.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
No. There is plenty of protection for 3-5 step drops. The scheme is dated and doesn't work in modern football. Even the Patriots run a quick tempo short passing scheme. Between OB and his terrible feel for games and Watson's regression in timing, no wonder we suck offensively.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
I would not call us getting steam rolled. We forced a fair number of punts. Their defense was not much better than ours. They only beat us by a field goal. It was an even mix of offense and defense on both ends.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
Max
Veteran
I don't think the Oline is the problem right now. It's a combination of plays taking too long to develop, Watson not trusting the pocket (guessing he's gotten into that habit from earlier in the year when pass pro was much worse) and other times Watson trying to extend plays that he shouldn't. Of course, sometimes that pass pro isn't very good as well but that happens on all teams. My point is that I think the Oline play is good enough to see a better O than what we're seeing right now. Watson's got some room for improvement as you would expect this early in his career.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Dated....except it worked just fine for a 9 game win streak....running the ball to set up the pass is never an outdated scheme or strategy.
Why is his territory shaped like a penis?
WOW!!! A little trickery. I changed jerseys, ballcaps and PJ bottoms at halftime. Hope it works!!!
Because he's a stud.
ShinobiMusashi
Waterboy
Did Cole play today? Also what happened to Foreman? I thought he was playing today?
JamTex
Hall Of Fame Texans Fan!
The main thing I saw was that Watson needs to get rid of the ball and throw it away instead of taking sacks. In 4 of those 6 sacks, he held on to the ball to long instead of throwing it away and living to play another down with less yardage to make up. 2 of the sacks were bad protection. The others were Watson's fault in trying to be a hero and make a big play even if it wasn't there. Get rid of the ball man. Less yardage to lose and have to make up. The rest was bad running. Not only was the line inadequate, but also the plays were poorly executed at the wrong times. Get it right man. Choose the right times to run and the right running plays to call at the appropriate time. Don't just script it.
badboy
Hall of Fame
agree. This was on #4. I thought over all Oline was pretty good. Several plays Davenport block with LG to shutdown rush and Colts sent a defender wide angle to QB. Watson knew he was coming and didn't do anything to protect himself even sliding to the right. IIRC at least twice announcer said same thing "growth". TEs did well but I would have called more for them including not having #5 on field at all. That was a ridiculous call! I'd rather see Miller in slot with Blue at RB. The feel of this game was negative to me from 1st Q, something just seemed off with both sides of ball. We had enough to win and didn't. Clowney made another stupid penalty that impacted game. This was at least three IIRC. He's either tagged or tagged and traded.
Last two or three games we saw a lot in the run game we just didn't see today. Didn't try to stretch the line, run off tackle, sweeps, tosses, misdirection. Heck, not much pre snap motion in the back field.
Maybe that was because we performed so poorly on 1st down.
Also, last week BO'b said Watson deserves credit for getting them in the right run play. Maybe he didn't see things so clearly today.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Winning doesn’t just magically make things better. Our offense has been an issue despite the wins. You just chose to ignore it.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
The reason we lost is because the Colts have a better quarterback than we do right now.
I can list a lot of other reasons, but it really comes down to that. Luck is a seasoned veteran, Watson is not.
I can list a lot of other reasons, but it really comes down to that. Luck is a seasoned veteran, Watson is not.
Texas Jake
Rookie
The Colts played a good game. You have to give them credit for that. Luck got the ball out quickly. Watson had an off game. He missed some open receivers and held the ball too long. We couldn't run the ball and the passing game was too inconsistent to carry us.
Watson made the Colts defense look like the '85 Bears
Set back today,
But I believe Gaine is the guy to fix the issues this team has.
The Colts game planned to protect their QB. They used an additional tackle often. They designed plays to get their receivers open quick. They moved the pocket, negating half our pass rush on several occasions.
Things it looked like we were asking Watson to do on his own. In real time.
The Texans kept a TE in to block several times and used a RB to chip.
What more do you want.
I want routes designed to get receivers open quick. I want to move the pocket.
I want something that's not so predictable & has a chance to work.
There were WR's open today, Watson just had trouble finding them.
badboy
Hall of Fame
agree.
TK Oline did their jobs for most part. #4 just did too much incorrectly. He didn't look lost like he did two games ago so not sure how much we can point finger at OBrien this time. Repeatedly, Watson ignored or ran right into defense and announcers constantly spoke of it. He would revert quickly after a so so play by trying to do it all himself. Now running plays called in 4th Q when down by 14 may have been on coach. Bad news 90-95 % was on #4. Good news is the same and easier to correct a super talented player than having to correct several sort of good to avg players. Also we should not over look that Hopkins dropped at least two catch able passes.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
More receiving options.
Norg
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the shallow crosses and short slants killed us
the DB wright got beat like a drum 2nd half prob helped cost us the game ...it was so bad I guess they put the injured J joe in the game at the end
we just dont have anyone who can cover TY Hilton well we did but we shipped him to J-ville
the DB wright got beat like a drum 2nd half prob helped cost us the game ...it was so bad I guess they put the injured J joe in the game at the end
we just dont have anyone who can cover TY Hilton well we did but we shipped him to J-ville
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Our defense was terrible and made worse with an offense that didn't do much to stay on the field and give the defense a break.
Complimentary football.
Complimentary football.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
How many times must the Texans allow 1 man kill them? I mean, why not double Hilton and force Luck to go elsewhere.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
All true, but Luck was also hitting covered receivers. He put the ball where only they could catch it. I've seen Watson do that too, but Luck did it consistently in this game. Luck's performance was in a different tier than Watson's, and it wasn't just due to play calling.
I think Watson will eventually be as potent as Luck, but this game proved who the better QB is right now. That shouldn't be a major revelation about a 23 year old sophomore who hasn't played a full season.
Luck's one of the best QB's in the league and the defense held him to 24 points. Not stellar, but not terrible. They gave the offense something to work with. The greater failure was the offense allowing five sacks, several at critical drive-killing moments.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Watson doesn't realize.....the rate in which the defense is getting into the pocket, if he would just throw it away, he just might induce a boat load of Roughing the Passer calls that would take a potential sack or wasted play and turn it into a 15 yard gain.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
My biggest problem with this game.....and basically the other 12 games:
How many ducking times in a game are the Texans going to continue to face 2nd down and between 12-14? If there's a stat for this, then the Texans have to be ranked #1 in the NFL. This dreadful start on first downs continue to hamstring this offense and put Watson and the OL in a hole b/c defenses are pinning their ears back on 2nd and 3rd downs. O'Brien is far to predictable to remain the teams OC going forward.
Just once, I'd love to see O'Brien come out and decide he's going to outsmart the opposing DC by going up-tempo, no-huddle, with a quick slant passing attack right out of the gate. Why, b/c every ducking DC in the NFL knows they must have their run stop personnel on the field at the start of the game, so if O'Brien runs a no-huddle up-tempo offense, the DC is going to have to burn a TO to get the right personnel on the field. By the time the DC realizes this, how far down the field are the Texans. O'Brien could possibly dictate how the opposing team reacts to his offense versus being fully prepared and then having what they were fully prepared for delivered to them on a silver platter.
How many ducking times in a game are the Texans going to continue to face 2nd down and between 12-14? If there's a stat for this, then the Texans have to be ranked #1 in the NFL. This dreadful start on first downs continue to hamstring this offense and put Watson and the OL in a hole b/c defenses are pinning their ears back on 2nd and 3rd downs. O'Brien is far to predictable to remain the teams OC going forward.
Just once, I'd love to see O'Brien come out and decide he's going to outsmart the opposing DC by going up-tempo, no-huddle, with a quick slant passing attack right out of the gate. Why, b/c every ducking DC in the NFL knows they must have their run stop personnel on the field at the start of the game, so if O'Brien runs a no-huddle up-tempo offense, the DC is going to have to burn a TO to get the right personnel on the field. By the time the DC realizes this, how far down the field are the Texans. O'Brien could possibly dictate how the opposing team reacts to his offense versus being fully prepared and then having what they were fully prepared for delivered to them on a silver platter.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
The Colts defense is not their strength but they held other opponents than us to less than four TD's. In fact they held their opponents including us to under 28 points 8 times. On two occasions their defense held their opponents to less than a TD and an extra point. Yes their defense gave up a **** load of points during the season as well but the point is that their defense has been average to piss poor all season. I think our offense did alright against them. To me the Colts defense was better than avg. I had a feeling we would lose this game. I also feel that we will be just fine going forward. I see no shame in us losing by the score we did. They only scored 24 against us. It was a good football game that we just happened to find ourselves on the losing end of.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Watson was bad. Defense was bad. Obrien was bad. Any questions?
Good teams rebound from bad performances. We will see if this team has the stones needed to be a legitimate contender over the next 3 weeks .
Good teams rebound from bad performances. We will see if this team has the stones needed to be a legitimate contender over the next 3 weeks .
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
Overall I can't say I'm too disappointed in the loss, always prefer a win but you never win them all - and I still look at yesterday as a winnable game even though it looked like we were dominated clean up a few mistakes and could have been a different story.
For me coaching issues:
1) Joe Webb? He is our fourth receiving option? Why not Coates? Or Miller? Or an additional TE - at some point a guy 'who can do a lot' just means he isn't good at anything. I get versatile but this is a league of experts
2) How many hall of fame induction games does TY Hilton need to have against the Texans before we double him? Put Exlax in his Gatorade, something
3) Running the ball when you are behind and time running out in the 4th quarter, just doesn't make sense and you don't see it a lot across the league except for Bill
4) It isn't every first down - but it is a damn high % of first downs that we run, even when it hasn't worked all game, consistently putting your team in 2nd and +10 yards is hard to overcome
5) Just work in some things to slow the rush, move Watson outside the pocket, play action on 1st (especially since they sold out to stop the run on 1st downs)
6) On certain downs - GET TO LUCK - at all cost, can we jam a receiver? Do we know how to do that? Jam the receivers no quick timing throws, send everyone else after Luck do SOMETHING to try and get off the field on a 3rd down
Player issues:
1) Watson better learn he isn't superman stop dancing around trying to hit a home run every damn pass play, make a decision - throw the ball, run with the ball, or throw it away stop taking sacks unnecessarily if I was his oline I'd be pissed (and for the love of all you believe in stop waving the ball around like it's a magic wand - you ain't Harry Potter (yes I have kids))
2) I'm putting this one on the players and not the coaches read the blitz/pressure and do anything to help Watson out, break off your route go to a hot route something (yes I know Watson just missed some of these read point 1)
3) Nothing else to say on the players other than EXECUTE - at some point your players have to make plays - JD missed Luck at least twice (no need to mention the jump to end the game, bonehead) coaches can do this or that but players have to win THEIR battle
Not declaring the sky is falling here - Watson had a bad game they all do, Luck looked anything but Luck(y) last week, Brady, Rodgers, Ben they all have weeks where it looks like they are finished. Bounce back do better, don't go on a losing streak. To me that's what the good teams do, they lose a game here and there but rarely two/three in a row.
We all knew (mostly all knew?) the team has flaws, and are below average to downright bad at certain positions (CB's, OLine, RB, LB(?)) and they have done a pretty impressive job of winning in spite of those weaknesses again which IS what good teams do, no team is great everywhere.
For me coaching issues:
1) Joe Webb? He is our fourth receiving option? Why not Coates? Or Miller? Or an additional TE - at some point a guy 'who can do a lot' just means he isn't good at anything. I get versatile but this is a league of experts
2) How many hall of fame induction games does TY Hilton need to have against the Texans before we double him? Put Exlax in his Gatorade, something
3) Running the ball when you are behind and time running out in the 4th quarter, just doesn't make sense and you don't see it a lot across the league except for Bill
4) It isn't every first down - but it is a damn high % of first downs that we run, even when it hasn't worked all game, consistently putting your team in 2nd and +10 yards is hard to overcome
5) Just work in some things to slow the rush, move Watson outside the pocket, play action on 1st (especially since they sold out to stop the run on 1st downs)
6) On certain downs - GET TO LUCK - at all cost, can we jam a receiver? Do we know how to do that? Jam the receivers no quick timing throws, send everyone else after Luck do SOMETHING to try and get off the field on a 3rd down
Player issues:
1) Watson better learn he isn't superman stop dancing around trying to hit a home run every damn pass play, make a decision - throw the ball, run with the ball, or throw it away stop taking sacks unnecessarily if I was his oline I'd be pissed (and for the love of all you believe in stop waving the ball around like it's a magic wand - you ain't Harry Potter (yes I have kids))
2) I'm putting this one on the players and not the coaches read the blitz/pressure and do anything to help Watson out, break off your route go to a hot route something (yes I know Watson just missed some of these read point 1)
3) Nothing else to say on the players other than EXECUTE - at some point your players have to make plays - JD missed Luck at least twice (no need to mention the jump to end the game, bonehead) coaches can do this or that but players have to win THEIR battle
Not declaring the sky is falling here - Watson had a bad game they all do, Luck looked anything but Luck(y) last week, Brady, Rodgers, Ben they all have weeks where it looks like they are finished. Bounce back do better, don't go on a losing streak. To me that's what the good teams do, they lose a game here and there but rarely two/three in a row.
We all knew (mostly all knew?) the team has flaws, and are below average to downright bad at certain positions (CB's, OLine, RB, LB(?)) and they have done a pretty impressive job of winning in spite of those weaknesses again which IS what good teams do, no team is great everywhere.
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Malloy
Hall of Fame
I've noticed that Watson has developed self-sacking abilities the last few games and I'm not pleased at all. Not only does he seem oblivious to pressure coming in from the sides, once he moves chances are he'll trip himself up :/
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I don't know, maybe an extra lineman that practices blocking all day every day? Reich was doing it to much success. We aren't playing good blocking TEs .. our RB blocking is average at best the colts have 12 sacks and like 30 QB hits on Watson in 2 games!
Yes Watson was bad yesterday, but at some point Bob can save him from himself too you know. It wasn't all on coaches or players it was a group effort on both sides of the ball and on both sides of the outcome.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Still only a 3 point game .. if Bill let's Fairbairn do his job at home we could have won another ugly game but then of course 'those FGs aren't guaranteed" even though Fairbairn is statistically the 3rd best K in football this year. Annoying loss but it can't define you ... alot of what happened was to be expected in some ways .. need to show everyone you belong next week .. Indy is a good team.
Then you're going to get Watson hurt playing behind this OL.
Do you really want the OT's constantly singled up on pass rushers?
If you give the OT's the help they Obviously need than that takes away from the receiving options.
jshabang
Quality Backup!
Told some guys last week ....... our defense is too susceptible to chunk plays....... when a QB can move in the pocket and extend plays we are in serious trouble...... Baker did the same to us last week in the second half...... his receivers just kept dropping passes and Reid made a couple Amazing plays
Contender? Contender to what? Y’all trally think we are gonna go to the Super Bowl???? We always make the playoffs and. Win one week and lose the next....... so who cares about that...... are you saying we are a contender to win it all??? And for the record I think we should be........ we have enough talent on both sides of the ball but I haven’t really seen us dominate anybody yet like we should ....... don’t know if it’s coaching or what but I see a team that’s good but not good as the Big Boys to win anything significant
Contender? Contender to what? Y’all trally think we are gonna go to the Super Bowl???? We always make the playoffs and. Win one week and lose the next....... so who cares about that...... are you saying we are a contender to win it all??? And for the record I think we should be........ we have enough talent on both sides of the ball but I haven’t really seen us dominate anybody yet like we should ....... don’t know if it’s coaching or what but I see a team that’s good but not good as the Big Boys to win anything significant
TejasTom
All Pro
Some of his other games this year.
CIN 46 yds
PHI 50 yds
BUF 24 yds
OAK 34 yds
JAX 77 yds twice
This guy is stoppable.
My point stands, there were people open and Watson missed them
BOB has done a good job masking poor OL play this yr. Fact is Watson is either 1. Going to get hit alot playing behind this OL if TE's/RB's aren't kept in to block.
2. You cant send out extra receivers if you have to keep them in to help the OL.
3. There were plays there to be made and Watson either A. Didn't see them. B. Had a few bad throws.
4. Watson had a bad game, good news is he didn't throw a bunch of picks and the issues he had were issues that can easily be corrected. Watson despite all of the great things he does is still a young QB and is still learning.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I've seen the Ravens and Broncos go on strange championship runs over the last 5 years. It can happen. There are no juggernauts in football, all can be beaten.
How do you think the Pats feel today? This year is prime for a dark horse.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
So you're sticking with the BoB can do no wrong schtick I see. it's all on Watson, OL, Rick Smith any other possible cause other than a fairly evident one. Ok.
Tone isn't a lynch mob vs O'Brien today and still some of you guys can't even see the warts. Tell me what has Bob done exactly? TE AND RB chips? That all you got? Is that all that can be done to help the poor OL?
Fact of the matter is that Obrien couldn't adjust to the blitz pressure because he kept running the same slow developing pass plays over and over and over again. Why no hot routes? Other than the weekly bubble screens nothing to help out your young QB against an aggressive defense? Then he plays field position against an offense the defense can't stop? Anither blown obvious challenge, turtled up instead of kicking the field goals.
I wasn't even gonna get worked up but when there are guys like you who can't share the blame as it should be it irks me. Bill didn't help either hate to break it to you.
In the last couple of weeks all of "good" teams have either looked mortal or flat out lost. Pretty much every team has something to work on.
Except the plays were there to be made and Watson missed on some of them.
BTW, I'm in total agreement about using more 3 step drops and getting the ball out of Watson's hand. I've been saying this all season. With that said that further restricts playcalling. Which I'm sure if he went to using more 3 step drops you would find something to ***** about BOB using that gameplan.
I've discovered there's no way BOB will ever be able to make you guys happy. The Texans are going to make the playoffs and probably win 11 games and considering the talent level on the offense that's a great job. IMHO
It's called getting the most out of your talent.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
See how you attempt to use emotion in a logical discussion? "You guys just wont ever like Bill" .. when you can't even acknowledge Bill had his fair share of blame yesterday!! It's insanity.
Frank Reich took an aggressive defense out of the game by pass blocking with 6OL and Max protect with 7 at times. Luck only needed 2-3 receivers to do his thing in a relaxed pocket. I just wonder why Obrien can't employ similar solutions to such an obvious flaw.
Indy has a better OL and they weren't taking any chances. That's coaching.
Again I'm not crucifying O'Brien, just making sure he isn't forgotten when it comes time to point fingers.
He can be better next week. THEY ALL CAN.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
When the playoffs start everyone is 0-0 .. I'll take my chances with Watson .. he's been there all his life.