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santo said:
I wish we had McVay. :(
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me too brother, me too. Imagine Watson in that system? Frank Reich is doing great. Pederson obviously after last year. Reid showed last night he's quite possibly the best offensive mind in history. We have the Chin of Butts, whose offense instead of being those that resemble a well timed rowing scull, resembles a life sentence picking rocks one hack at a time.
 
It is being reported that Denver believes Kubiak will be listening to offers for offensive coordinator soon. Even if he and GM were open to it, OBrien would not imo.
 
badboy said:
It is being reported that Denver believes Kubiak will be listening to offers for offensive coordinator soon. Even if he and GM were open to it, OBrien would not imo.
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Koobs only drawing up plays and moving the offense down the field? Yes please.
 
PapaL said:
I wonder how DT87 is feeling. After his first 15 snaps as a Texan he’s been mostly invisible but he’s winning and his new team leads the division.
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Posed this question just now in the Game Day thread. Go out and buy a shiny new toy and the dude is in the closet collecting dust.
 
badboy said:
It is being reported that Denver believes Kubiak will be listening to offers for offensive coordinator soon. Even if he and GM were open to it, OBrien would not imo.
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I don't really think there's much chance of the HC welcoming back to Houston a hometown hero who used to have his job with the Texans and later went else where to be a
SB winning coach as his OC. I mean really the most secure of head coachs would feel intimated by that arrangement.
But yea sure it would be great to have an OC of Kubiaks caliber.
 
I just dont get the Kubiak turtle mode love.

Everybody hates the BOB turtle mode love but are more than willing to not only embrace but sometimes beg for the Kubiak turtle mode love.
 
Sarah Barshop‏@sarahbarshop Nov 18


With the Chiefs still to play on Monday night and the Chargers leading the Broncos in the third quarter, here’s what the AFC standings look like.

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KC and the Chargers went on to lose.
 
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Just found an interesting piece of trivia.

3 of the top 25 players in kick return average played for the Texans. Can you guess who they are?










Jacoby Jones, Danieal Manning, Quentin Demps

Lesson: stats are meaningless
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Just found an interesting piece of trivia.

3 of the top 25 players in kick return average played for the Texans. Can you guess who they are?










Jacoby Jones, Danieal Manning, Quentin Demps

Lesson: stats are meaningless
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It's more the team than the individual
 
ghostlight said:
All I remember about Kub was the failure of scoring in the red zone. Seems to me that was why he was fired
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Kubiak's last year was poor (2-11) and his overall record was mediocre with the Texans.

On December 6, Kubiak was fired from the Houston Texans with three games remaining in the 2013 season. He finished the 2013 season with a 2–11 record and was replaced by defensive coordinator/interim head coach Wade Phillips. Kubiak had a 61–64 regular season record and a 2–2 playoff record as the Texans' head coach.[37]
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ArlingtonTexan said:
Kubiak's last year was poor (2-11) and his overall record was mediocre with the Texans.
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He lost the locker room in 2013... 2011 was best team Texans have had even though 2012 was better record (12-4).

But he started with pretty much nothing after the Capely/Casserly years and Carr was put on him the first year
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Sarah Barshop‏@sarahbarshop

The Texans have begun the 21-day window for ILB Dylan Cole to return from IR. Cole dislocated his left wrist in Week 3 vs. the Giants. If he returns to the active roster, Houston could also make one more move to bring a player -- maybe CB Kevin Johnson -- back from IR this year.
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In your professional opinion should Kevin Johnson play again this season? In my non-medical professional opinion that kid should worry about his future more than the present. It was frightening seeing him go down.
 
With the Texans commitment on running the ball even if it’s not the most efficient method of moving the ball but is the best way to protect DW4 I can’t help but wonder what this offense would look like with Adrian Peterson. He would have been better suited than Miller/Blue for running in obvious running situations and would have surely made some highlight reel plays this season.

Oh well.
 
JB said:
He lost the locker room in 2013... 2011 was best team Texans have had even though 2012 was better record (12-4).

But he started with pretty much nothing after the Capely/Casserly years and Carr was put on him the first year
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Furthermore Koobs had to watch his QB implode in historic fashion. Koobs strength is X's and O's way more effective, creative and proven variant of the WCO/EP type systems. He understands that linemen are important especially in the ZBS.

His biggest fault and what ultimately led to the fire IMO was loyalty. He couldn't fire his guys when they needed to be, he held onto players past their shelf life

I still throw out the team that Kubiak took over and how he was able to grow the team into a winner while working with Smith.

Obrien took over a better nucleus was nowhere near the same rebuild and his record is mediocre, his offense much worse, luckily he chose a great DC and didn't go with the buddy system like Koobs mistakenly had a propensity to do, but yet his failures have a habit of being aimed at Rick Smith and he needs more time with Gaine. But if Smith was that bad how could Koobs win with him? Coaches have more input in personnel than some are willing to admit.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Furthermore Koobs had to watch his QB implode in historic fashion. Koobs strength is X's and O's way more effective, creative and proven variant of the WCO/EP type systems. He understands that linemen are important especially in the ZBS.

His biggest fault and what ultimately led to the fire IMO was loyalty. He couldn't fire his guys when they needed to be, he held onto players past their shelf life

I still throw out the team that Kubiak took over and how he was able to grow the team into a winner while working with Smith.

Obrien took over a better nucleus was nowhere near the same rebuild and his record is mediocre, his offense much worse, luckily he chose a great DC and didn't go with the buddy system like Koobs mistakenly had a propensity to do, but yet his failures have a habit of being aimed at Rick Smith and he needs more time with Gaine. But if Smith was that bad how could Koobs win with him? Coaches have more input in personnel than some are willing to admit.
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Koobs got Smith hired and effectively Smith was a yes man for Koobs
 
Uncle Rico said:
Furthermore Koobs had to watch his QB implode in historic fashion. Koobs strength is X's and O's way more effective, creative and proven variant of the WCO/EP type systems. He understands that linemen are important especially in the ZBS.

His biggest fault and what ultimately led to the fire IMO was loyalty. He couldn't fire his guys when they needed to be, he held onto players past their shelf life

I still throw out the team that Kubiak took over and how he was able to grow the team into a winner while working with Smith.

Obrien took over a better nucleus was nowhere near the same rebuild and his record is mediocre, his offense much worse, luckily he chose a great DC and didn't go with the buddy system like Koobs mistakenly had a propensity to do, but yet his failures have a habit of being aimed at Rick Smith and he needs more time with Gaine. But if Smith was that bad how could Koobs win with him? Coaches have more input in personnel than some are willing to admit.
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The team that BOB inherited was built for Kubiak's system not O'Briens. Smith did a much better job of finding guys to fit Kubiak's system than he did finding ones to fit BOB's. Maybe part of the difference is that when Kubiak left, Smith had more say in the process and the coaching staff had less—IDK. BOB and Gaine seem to be on the same page and Gaine, so far, appeares to be doing a better job of finding talent that can excel in BOBs system.
 
Texas Jake said:
The team that BOB inherited was built for Kubiak's system not O'Briens. Smith did a much better job of finding guys to fit Kubiak's system than he did finding ones to fit BOB's. Maybe part of the difference is that when Kubiak left, Smith had more say in the process and the coaching staff had less—IDK. BOB and Gaine seem to be on the same page and Gaine, so far, appeares to be doing a better job of finding talent that can excel in BOBs system.
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I can't believe that a new coach isn't going to have input on personnel. Maybe Kubiak could spot talent better? O'Brien isn't a poor victim who dealt with a rogue GM, O'Brien just can't seem to identify the talent needed for his system or any other for that matter. We shall see if Gaine can steer Obrien in the right direction.
 
JB said:
Koobs got Smith hired and effectively Smith was a yes man for Koobs
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It worked for a while didn't it? Purely based on talent Kubiak selected and developed a good amount of mid round guys and turned them into pro Bowlers. Im to believe that O'Brien the fire breather was bullied by Rick Smith?
 
Uncle Rico said:
I can't believe that a new coach isn't going to have input on personnel. Maybe Kubiak could spot talent better? O'Brien isn't a poor victim who dealt with a rogue GM, O'Brien just can't seem to identify the talent needed for his system or any other for that matter. We shall see if Gaine can steer Obrien in the right direction.
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I don't believe the coach has much say in individuals past the 1st round. It's the GM running the scouting team and doing most of the assembly of the draft board. Yes the coaches all have input but given Smith's poor record in mid-rounds I think he was given a type of athlete by the coaches and selection was his
 
Uncle Rico said:
I can't believe that a new coach isn't going to have input on personnel. Maybe Kubiak could spot talent better? O'Brien isn't a poor victim who dealt with a rogue GM, O'Brien just can't seem to identify the talent needed for his system or any other for that matter. We shall see if Gaine can steer Obrien in the right direction.
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I definitely believe there is shared blame, but Smith did have the final say on personnel. There is also evidence there was friction between them and they weren't on the same page. I am much more confident in Gaine than in Smith. I feel like Gaining is building a team and not just adding pieces. Time will tell if this is true or just an illusion.
 
Uncle Rico said:
It worked for a while didn't it? Purely based on talent Kubiak selected and developed a good amount of mid round guys and turned them into pro Bowlers. Im to believe that O'Brien the fire breather was bullied by Rick Smith?
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I guess we differ on the amount of mid-round guys that turned out.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Owen Daniels, Vonta Leach, Chris Myers, Wade Smith, Antonio Smith, Arian Foster, Bryan Braman, James Casey?
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Actually Daniels, Braman and Casey were only Texans mid-round picks of those. Foster was UDFA that chose the Texans (don't know if he had other offers). Kubiak had a great offense no doubt, but that is not a lot of mid-round picks spread out over 8 years
 
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JB said:
Antonio and Vonta and Wade and Chris weren't Texans draft picks ... all those others guys shined in Koobs offense except Braman who was a special teams standout

Owen Daniels wasn't a Smith pick. Koobs offense was great but that is still not a lot of guys over 8 years
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Right, but we're they pro bowl caliber players before they got here? Identifying talent is a skill that a coach should possess no?

How many mid rounders has O'Brien hit on in 5 years? Oh that's right Poor Bill was dealt a bad hand with the rogue GM Rick Smith.

Hopefully Gaine changes that for Bill since he apparently will listen to him and not just draft and sign guys without even checking with the coach like Rick Smith did. :rolleyes:
 
Uncle Rico said:
Hopefully Gaine changes that for Bill since he apparently will listen to him and not just draft and sign guys without even checking with the coach like Rick Smith did. :rolleyes:
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:uprights: No one said that... I thought the conversation was all the mid-round picks that Smith selected under Kubiak :uprights:
 
Texas Jake said:
The team that BOB inherited was built for Kubiak's system not O'Briens. Smith did a much better job of finding guys to fit Kubiak's system than he did finding ones to fit BOB's. Maybe part of the difference is that when Kubiak left, Smith had more say in the process and the coaching staff had less—IDK. BOB and Gaine seem to be on the same page and Gaine, so far, appeares to be doing a better job of finding talent that can excel in BOBs system.
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What's Kubiak's system?

Before he got here most of us could answer that question. We didn't see it year one, but we could see what he was working towards. 4 years later we saw Kubiak's system in Houston. & we could say Rick did a good job finding players to fit Kubiak's system. 1st round, sixth round... bargain bin free agancy... UDFA... whatever.

What's BO'bs system?


How do you find players to fit that?
 
thunderkyss said:
What's Kubiak's system?

Before he got here most of us could answer that question. We didn't see it year one, but we could see what he was working towards. 4 years later we saw Kubiak's system in Houston. & we could say Rick did a good job finding players to fit Kubiak's system. 1st round, sixth round... bargain bin free agancy... UDFA... whatever.

What's BO'bs system?


How do you find players to fit that?
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We are going to find out, now that we have a GM that knows what BOB is looking for.

Did you listen to the Gaine PC when he was hired? Good times are head.
 
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