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Demaryius Thomas traded to Texans

LikeMike said:
What I am wondering: what are we gonna do next Season? Have a real solid WR Rotation with Hopkins, Fuller, Thomas and Coutee? Cut Thomas and let him walk? Try to trade Fuller because of his injury history?

I like the Player and am ok with what we gave up for him - but I also saw more pressing Needs at OT and CB. But you gotta take what is available...
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To me, this is what is so attractive about DT. We have a lot of options for next year (as opposed to a 2018 rental only). We can cut him (with zero cap hit, to my understanding), renegotiate, or pay him, or possibly even trade him at draft time and get our pick back (or close).

But don't assume we get rid of him after this year. Most of his numbers since 2013, are comparable and actually better than Nuk's. I know he's older, but we could have quite a dynamic combo for a couple of years.

And if Fuller and Coutee get healthy, then wow. And if either are not healthy, we have depth.
 
Got a question, if Thomas has a great year and a half with us then leaves for free agency. Is it possible we could get compensated a fourth?


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Shishkabob said:
Stole this from someone who posted a snippet from The Athletic, if you want you can pay for the full story I'm not going to lol

Beloved in the locker room and revered as a quiet leader, Thomas was the one who stayed behind at practice to coach up the rookies. He was that one to pull newcomers aside to show them the ropes. He was the one to keep an even keel when the Broncos’ performance and record over the last couple of years plummeted.

"I love D.T.," cornerback Chris Harris Jr. said. "He’s been a great teammate to me and we’ve had great competition for eight years that I’ve been here. I know he’s going out there and he’s giving it his all. I’ve won a lot of games with him, so I know I can continue to win them with him."

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Drafted in the first round (No. 22) in 2010 out of Georgia Tech. Among his many achievements that will surely land him in the Broncos’ Ring of Fame:

  • His 125 consecutive games played ranks fourth in the NFL among non-quarterbacks.
  • He was the fastest receiver in Broncos history to record 600 catches, needing only 112 games.
  • He recorded five consecutive seasons with at least 90 catches and 1,000 receiving yards. Those five 1,000-yard seasons rank as the second-most in Broncos history.
  • His 665 career receptions with the Broncos rank as the third-most on the Broncos’ all-time list. Ten more and he would have tied Shannon Sharpe for second place.
  • His 9,055 receiving yards rank No. 2 on the Broncos’ all-time list.
  • His 60 receiving touchdowns also rank No. 2 on the Broncos’ all-time list.
  • And his 36 100-yard receiving are tops in Broncos history.
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His greatest ability seems to be availability. I like the trade...a little expensive but he is probably better than any 4th rounder we gamble on. I would expect his stats to increase compared to the last couple of years from QB play alone. Throw in that he will likely face lots of single coverage here and the opponents CB2. He is also familiar with the "system" (if we actually have such a thing) from his time with McDaniel
 
It's a good move for the Texans, as the team is in the front seat of the chase for the division.
It also prevents the Titans and the Pats to obtain a weapon.

For the Broncos, it's about cap space, more targets for Sutton (and another young receiver or two), and a draft pick.

Thomas, as UR had said, is prone to the occasional drop. He also seems to have lost half a step or a quarter of a step.
As big as he is, he no longer plays as big as Hopkins (who's smaller).

Watson has more of an ability to scramble to allow the receivers a hair more time to adjust their route, so it could work to our advantage.

Thomas doesn't draw double coverage anymore though, so he needs to be used differently than Fuller.

I dislike O'Brien as a HC, but I like to see the Texans winning (and whine about the playoffs later, LOL).
 
76Texan said:
It's a good move for the Texans, as the team is in the front seat of the chase for the division.
It also prevents the Titans and the Pats to obtain a weapon.

For the Broncos, it's about cap space, more targets for Sutton (and another young receiver or two), and a draft pick.

Thomas, as UR had said, is prone to the occasional drop. He also seems to have lost half a step or a quarter of a step.
As big as he is, he no longer plays as big as Hopkins (who's smaller).

Watson has more of an ability to scramble to allow the receivers a hair more time to adjust their route, so it could work to our advantage.

Thomas doesn't draw double coverage anymore though, so he needs to be used differently than Fuller.

I dislike O'Brien as a HC, but I like to see the Texans winning (and whine about the playoffs later, LOL).
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His qb play has been trash the last 2 years with Siemien, Lynch and now Keenum. His overall numbers would suggest that he's still got plenty left, he's just not a #1 anymore..which is perfect b/c we don't need a #1 we need a #2.
 
Well, I gotta admit, this is a pleasant surprise. Not the trade itself, although I’m happy with it.

It’s that when I got the text alert when I was buying groceries, I snickered, thinking when I get home and get on the board, I’m gonna see nothing but crying eyes over the sticker shock.

There might be hope after all. ;)
 
Mike Klis

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Houston Texans pick up $4.5 million of Demaryius Thomas' $8.5 million salary. Wouldn't think Texans will pay D.T.'s non-guaranteed $14 million salary for 2019 but that's for dynamic reporter duo @McClain_on_NFL and @AaronWilson_NFL to handle now. #9sports

1:33 PM - Oct 30, 2018


As the 2018 NFL trade deadline approaches, @ConorOrr is grading the biggest moves https://on.si.com/2DdeGrJ

1:15 PM - Oct 30, 2018

DEMARYIUS THOMAS TO THE TEXANS: As we mentioned last week, Houston has the capital and their window to win a Super Bowl is now. Swapping Thomas for Will Fuller, who tore his ACL against the Dolphins on Sunday, is not a direct replacement given that Fuller was excellent at stretching defenses with his speed. Thomas, though, is sure-handed, physical and could fit in wonderfully as a downfield blocker in addition to his receiving skills. Deshaun Watson could not be happier with someone who can alleviate stress in the red zone and take some pressure off DeAndre Hopkins. GRADE: A-
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zshawn10 said:
Mike Klis

✔@MikeKlis

Houston Texans pick up $4.5 million of Demaryius Thomas' $8.5 million salary. Wouldn't think Texans will pay D.T.'s non-guaranteed $14 million salary for 2019 but that's for dynamic reporter duo @McClain_on_NFL and @AaronWilson_NFL to handle now. #9sports

1:33 PM - Oct 30, 2018


As the 2018 NFL trade deadline approaches, @ConorOrr is grading the biggest moves https://on.si.com/2DdeGrJ

1:15 PM - Oct 30, 2018
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"dynamic reporter duo??" lol, oh pancakes burner account..
 
leebigeztx said:
Fuller wont be fuller until probably 2020. For a speed guy, it's kinda like a yr and a half. Thomas with Hopkins have a large catch radius. Both having Thomas should improve the red zone production. He's also been very durable.
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Fuller can be close to Fuller as long has he mostly sticks to straight ahead speed which should not be affected. What will be limited for a while in 2019 is his ability to cut........his routes will be more limited.
 
I honestly never care about 4-7 round picks anyway. As far as i'm concerned they're throwaway picks. Besides we have an extra second so we really don't even lose in terms of total # of picks.
 
Mr teX said:
His qb play has been trash the last 2 years with Siemien, Lynch and now Keenum. His overall numbers would suggest that he's still got plenty left, he's just not a #1 anymore..which is perfect b/c we don't need a #1 we need a #2.
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I didn't say anything different about the #2 spot.

About the other part, you need to be on the Broncos MB.
Many of their fans were in a similar situation as some of us with AJ in his last year here; only stronger since they think they have Sutton as a replacement while the Texans didn't have one for AJ.
 
IDEXAN said:
Wow looks like we got a pretty classy guy to boot who will fit right into our solid locker room.
Wait, SteelB might be disappointed because he might prefer a WR with a lengthy rap sheet.
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SMH

DT is better than any WR they could've drafted in the 4th rd and you get the extra yr.

BTW, did they get Dorsett too?
 
76Texan said:
I didn't say anything different about the #2 spot.

About the other part, you need to be on the Broncos MB.
Many of their fans were in a similar situation as some of us with AJ in his last year here; only stronger since they think they have Sutton as a replacement while the Texans didn't have one for AJ.
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DT is 31. AJ at 31 was still posting 1400-1500 yd seasons & I stand firm in saying DT's numbers can easily explained away as due to bad qb play. Hopefully here with Watson, he'll get a little bit of jolt.

Aside from that, Fans are always more critical of their own players than they are of other teams'.
 
For those complaining about age.

There are several receivers out there(All Pro caliber) who had their best years from 30-35.

He is still very much in his prime.
 
how quick before he can really hit the field? I expect he can do some work Sunday. Thought he played for the current NE OC, McDaniel, was that close to our system since all Patriots all the time? If so, maybe he can be up to speed quick
 
Mr teX said:
DT is 31. AJ at 31 was still posting 1400-1500 yd seasons & I stand firm in saying DT's numbers can easily explained away as due to bad qb play. Hopefully here with Watson, he'll get a little bit of jolt.

Aside from that, Fans are always more critical of their own players than they are of other teams'.
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Oh I agree.
I was saying that AJ did not have a successor at the time, so the Texans still fed the ball to him.
You see what happened the following year?

The Broncos currently have at least one main option and that is Sutton, a guy that the Texans didn't have at the time.
Many of their fans have been clamoring for him to get more targets.
 
Hats off to Gaine for quickly switching course and not beating a dead horse. Reports say Texans first target was Deshuan Jackson, once it became clear Tampa wasn't moving him they quickly switched course. No clue what the titans were doing, but by all reports they were late to the party for DT
 
Wow, just heard the news, can't believe they got Thomas from Denver! That's huge for this year, and possibly next. This will be the first team that Thomas is a #2 option in the passing game, and I think he will do well here. Now if the Texans could just find left tackle, then they might win a playoff game or two.
 
IDEXAN said:
How do you compare the deals: Thomas for a 4th rounder vs Tate for a 3rd rounder ?
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I actually like the Thomas trade better Tate is more of a slot WR. Thonas plays outside which is what the Texans needed and at less of a cost. If you look at production this yr you will see Thomas has actually put up numbers similar to Fuller's with Keenum. I exppect with Watson Thomas to be even better, particularly in the RZ where the Texans have struggled. Although Thomas and Fuller couldn't be more different WR's they have these traits,

1. Playmakers.
2. Drop passes
 
Dutchrudder said:
Wow, just heard the news, can't believe they got Thomas from Denver! That's huge for this year, and possibly next. This will be the first team that Thomas is a #2 option in the passing game, and I think he will do well here. Now if the Texans could just find left tackle, then they might win a playoff game or two.
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And a CB or 2.
 
IDEXAN said:
How do you compare the deals: Thomas for a 4th rounder vs Tate for a 3rd rounder ?
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Kinda difficult. Tate is the better Option - and a FA next Season. If Tate leaves, the Eagles will get a comp-pick. Probably a 3d rounder or a 4th rounder. We have Control over DT - but it Comes with a heavy Price tag. I don't know if we would get a comp pick if we just cut him...
 
steelbtexan said:
I actually like the Thomas trade better Tate is more of a slot WR. Thonas plays outside which is what the Texans needed and at less of a cost. If you look at production this yr you will see Thomas has actually put up numbers similar to Fuller's with Keenum. I exppect with Watson Thomas to be even better, particularly in the RZ where the Texans have struggled. Although Thomas and Fuller couldn't be more different WR's they have these traits,

1. Playmakers.
2. Drop passes
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Some previous Texans in Cecil Shorts and David Anderson have been lobbying (Cecil) or really like the trade, DA was saying he thinks this helps us more from the 25 in, and hurts a bit from 25 to 25. Makes some sense. Saw the offense moving to a more move it down the field with two hard to handle jump ball receivers who can block you out, while also leveraging the tight ends. So let's see how BOB deploys his assets
 
Mr teX said:
DT is 31. AJ at 31 was still posting 1400-1500 yd seasons & I stand firm in saying DT's numbers can easily explained away as due to bad qb play. Hopefully here with Watson, he'll get a little bit of jolt.

Aside from that, Fans are always more critical of their own players than they are of other teams'.
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You're going to get in trouble around these parts talking about Keenum like that. LOL
 
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steelbtexan said:
You're going to get in trouble around these parts talking about Keenum like that. LOL
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Keenum isn't going to win anyone a super bowl, he's a Matt Schaub game managing type that is overrated due to people from U of H on this board. No fanbase outside Texas and Denver cares that much about him.
 
Who starts this Sunday? Coates maybe?

I see DT playing some but with a fairly limited playbook. Learn a few things down pat, and run just those routes, etc.

The good news is then he gets a full two weeks to study the playbook and should be ready to start vs. Washington.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Wow, just heard the news, can't believe they got Thomas from Denver! That's huge for this year, and possibly next. This will be the first team that Thomas is a #2 option in the passing game, and I think he will do well here. Now if the Texans could just find left tackle, then they might win a playoff game or two.
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Wouldn't it be great if wit actually turned out that we essentially found a WR #1a and WR #1b.
 
steelbtexan said:
I actually like the Thomas trade better Tate is more of a slot WR. Thonas plays outside which is what the Texans needed and at less of a cost. If you look at production this yr you will see Thomas has actually put up numbers similar to Fuller's with Keenum. I exppect with Watson Thomas to be even better, particularly in the RZ where the Texans have struggled. Although Thomas and Fuller couldn't be more different WR's they have these traits,

1. Playmakers.
2. Drop passes
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Tate for a 3rd was crazy for a guy on an expiring contract. I much prefer DT at the current cost with the mindset that hopefully Coutee can Smyth can keep the safety at home. If you don't have anybody to worry about a good defensive coordinator can scheme you to death. I do like Thomas' size and pressure catch rate with 22 for first downs. Drop passes as in they don't drop passes right? Pretty sure I read that Fuller caught something like 32/33 catchable balls thrown his way.
 
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Dutchrudder said:
Keenum isn't going to win anyone a super bowl, he's a Matt Schaub game managing type that is overrated due to people from U of H on this board. No fanbase outside Texas and Denver cares that much about him.
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I certainly didn't overrate him.
He's been playing right about where I expect him to.
A second tier QB that usually does'nt lose a game for you.
In his two 3-pick games, he still managed enough plays to win the games.
That's not too bad for a second-tier QB.
He doesn't have batted balls problem like some of the taller QBs.
He doesn't really have fumbling issues.

Unlike Cousins, whose turnovers had cost his team some games - two already this season.
The Vikings are already 4-3-1.
That means Cousins can't match Keenum's record from last year, and the Vikings still have some tough games to play.

....

But enough about Keenum.
Wrong thread/forum.
My bad, LOL.
 
Porky said:
Who starts this Sunday? Coates maybe?

I see DT playing some but with a fairly limited playbook. Learn a few things down pat, and run just those routes, etc.

The good news is then he gets a full two weeks to study the playbook and should be ready to start vs. Washington.
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DT did play in the McDaniels Pats system, So I'm sure he's got some knowledge of BOB's system.
 
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