Shishkabob
All Pro
hmmm he is one of the top players in both of those categories sooo
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/returns.htm
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Does this win feel more like a loss?
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hmmm he is one of the top players in both of those categories sooo
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/returns.htm
It doesn’t take a Vincent Lumbardy to figure this tool out, just half a brain. Unfortunately for you.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
part of me wanted the loss and the wheels to fall off as a means to cleaning house and getting rid of BoB but I jumped with excitement when Hopkins just missed the TD pass from Watson late in the game and I was happy the Reich rolled the dice and crapped out at the end of the game. It feels good to win. I still want BoB gone, but the win feels like a win. I'm not going to whine about it. I didn't whine when Foressett's knee hit the turf and Jim Schwartz screwed his team by challenging the TD thus making it in-reviewable. The team won. On to the cowgirls.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Uh huh.maybe you should read a little more about what's going on, get a proper perspective instead of getting in your feelings about this.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/26/deshaun-watson-houston-texans-bill-obrien
This was written after the Giants loss. Keep in mind that this is data based on the Texans with Davenport starting and no Keke Coutee to help open up what we all saw this past Sunday. Personnel often dictates what you can do offensively.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
If not for hamstring issues, I'd love to see Keke Coutee on kickoff and punt returns. The kid is a special game changer with his elite speed and quickness. Keep giving him a lot great massaging and keep him healthy for gameday!
I'm tired of hamstrings that cause any of our pro athletes to miss games. it cost the Houston Rockets a 2018 NBA Finals appearances and their third NBA title, IMO. With Chris Paul missing Game 6 and 7 against the Warriors in the Western Conference Finals.
I don't have a crystal ball, so I just hope for the best. My definition of saving the season includes a play-off appearance. Wild-card or division winner.
If this coach can get this team to 10 or 11 wins, why would we want to get rid of him?
If we only win 6 or 7 games & O'b is our coach next season, the problem is deeper than O'Brien... or higher up.
I haven't studied the games this year like I have in the past, but I feel there are enough leading indicators that we may be turning the corner as a franchise. A four or five game win streak would go a long way in helping me believe so.
A loss, might as well fire O'b now.
10 or 11 wins isn't what we fans are seeking.
We want Lombardi Trophy's , at least that's my expectations …. not just playoff berths and cheap division titles in what had been the weakest division in the league over that span.
I don't tune in to see OB giving away wins with a bad coaching decision every week , running an inept offense , keeping his best playmaker in shackles for the first 3 weeks of the season.
What makes any of us think he's gonna magically get better in the playoffs when he faces the better teams and coaches ?! I mean he's getting out coached by Mike Vrabel who's in his first season in Tennessee … and we somehow expect him to beat Belechick or Andy Reid when it matters ?! I'm not buying it when he makes the same damn mistakes this week he made last week or last year.
I want a championship …. We aint getting that under OB.
This team isn't lucky or good. It has some good parts but as a whole they are exactly what their record shows them to be - a bad team.
I guess we're just bad fans for calling them what they are , a bad product ? Funny I've been a bad fan since before they had a name …. NFLHouston.com was the first incarnation of this place back in 2002. There's a handful of us still around from those days …. but hey , I'll be a bad fan if it gets me the desired result.
Tell you what you keep reading opinion pieces to form your opinion and I’ll just keep watching the games to form my own.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol, b/c the facts in that opinion piece about the adjustments to scheme for protection sake we’re formed without watching the games huh?
that piece is about as objective as it gets when discussing BoB and the Texans...Author clearly states towards the end that he doesn’t understand some of the things BoB and the Texans have done or not done..
The fact is this team is 1-3.
1-3 is NOT a good result but it is accurate to how the team has performed - they didn't deserve to win games they didn't.
They are a bad team with some good components - OB is NOT one of those good components. He's made mistakes in game management , clock management , play calling , not being prepared …. He's shown us he isn't a quality decision maker.
OB sucks - Get your pink soap.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
What leading indicators are leading you to believe the franchise might be turning the corner?
Scooter
Funky
I would be less annoyed at him be a junk Sunday coach, if he showed competence Monday through Friday. We keep getting worse. It's 5 years later and we're still leaning almost entirely on leftover talent (Watt, Hopkins, Jackson, Joseph, etc). Our offensive line impossibly keeps getting worse. We finally land a franchise qb and he's showing worrisome regression between the ears. Our formerly great defense is falling apart. We don't have a #2 receiver and have yet to accomplish anything at tightend.
Andy Reid is currently on fire, but he's always been a strong Monday-Friday coach with a whole lot of questions about Sunday - Wade Phillips was in that mold as well. That's fine, they balance out. O'Brien not only sucks on Sunday, his lack of gameplanning, coaching ability and that of his subordinates is the reason we're on a steady decline. He's a bad coach, a bad teacher, and bad at identifying and improving talent.
badboy
Hall of Fame
For me it's Watson getting better each game and being on pace for almost 5,000 yards and avg is 8.4 and 28 TDs passing. And that's with rest of offense not getting better which it should. Any game this mish mash team should get better with Clowney and Watt leading the way. Hop, Fuller and Coutee project to 1,000 + seasons. Lamar Miller is looking at 1,000 and I'm hopeful someone will remember how good Jordan Akins was in preseason. Erving is making me look silly for wanting to cut him at 10 yds avg punts and over 25 on kick off returns. Will this continue? Who knows but for now better for me to be a opti rather than a pessi.
All these guys putting up "good statistics" …. Yet the team is 1-3.
What does that say to you ?
Watt and Clowney put up a monster day against the Dolts , you'd be happy with a third of that production between them on a regular basis yet the defense gave up 34 points and it took a coaching blunder on the other sideline for you to squeeze out a win against a very bad team.
What does this say to us ?!
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Here’s another fact...the coach isn’t the only component of the team that’s been underperforming in this 1-3 start..
Scooter
Funky
True, all of the coaches that he's brought in have failed spectacularly as well.
I don't hold much against them though, they had all of 10 minutes NFL experience before signing with the Texans. At least O'Brien had a whopping 4 years.
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Shishkabob
All Pro
Sean Ryan- 11 years(3 years with Texans)
Danny Barret- 3 years(1 year with Texans)
Mike Devlin - 12 years(4 years with Texans)
Anthony Weaver- 6 years(2 years with Texans)
Anthony Midget- 3 years(all with Texans)
D'Anton Lynn- 5 years(First year with Texans)
Brad Seely- 29 years(First year with Texans)
Welker- 2 years (all with Texans)
Romeo Crennel- 37 years?(5 years with Texans)
Scooter
Funky
Exactly.
Shishkabob
All Pro
was your previous post meant to be sarcastic?
Scooter
Funky
Not at all (well, exaggerated obviously). Outside of Romeo, O'Brien brought with him next to no NFL experience. The list of coaches you posted after 5 years is just plain sad, and still wildly inexperienced.
This is a Texans tradition, go back and look at Kubiak's 1st staff.
I think this comes down from the top. Inexperienced coaches cost less. # Richard Smith/Frank Bush/David Gibbs/Lil Shanny etc...
Scooter
Funky
Kubiak's Denver staff got wiped out a year before he signed if I remember correctly, Shanahan's seat was getting hot and he started moving everybody. That's not a Texans' tradition, it's what happens when you sign first time head coaches, however Kubiak had a tree and it was growing. Kubiak now has the head coach of the 49'ers and Broncos from directly under him, and Richard Smith was DC in the Superbowl. As posted elsewhere, O'Brien's strongest coach is Devlin.
We had the winning formula, perfection for the city of Houston and state of Texas once we got Wade to sign on ... and for some reason that doesn't fit your agenda. 6-10 is the end of the world and we're stupid to pay the guy building probowlers. 4-12, he just needs a GM to giftwrap him probowlers.
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Scooter
Funky
Hey now, OB groomed a HC that turned around and outcoached him in the Tenn game.
I'm not sure what's worse. This statement being reality, or the question "would you rather have O'Brien or Garrett". Ummm I don't watch college ball, who should I be rooting for?
I was just pointing out the fact that both staffs had young guys. BTW, how did you like those Bush/Smith hires? Wade was forced on Kubiak and for some reason Wade wasn't Kubiak's 1st choice for DC in Denver. Lil Shanny was a nepotism hire that luckily worked out and how's Joseph working out for Denver. He's a defensive guy and Denver's defense has actually gotten worse under his leadership.
Shishkabob
All Pro
That is just what happens when a new HC tries to fill his staff. It's not Mcnair being cheap the dude is worth multi billions he doesn't care about the peanuts he pays the coaching staff, if he did why keep RAC on the payroll last year and pay Vrabel to be DC? A new HC generally brings along guys he has worked with before, or at the very least they have mutual people they have worked with. It's hard to convince an established OC, DC, or whatever to come to your team in a lateral move when they already are working for an established coach, so you offer younger guys a promotion to get them to come over this leads to guys on the staff with less experience
Scooter
Funky
That's a whole lot Superbowl and major coaches that you feel the need to explain. How's our current situation?
LOL, Bush/Smith/David Gibbs haven't sniffed a SB and I explained the Lil Shanny and Wade was forced on Kubiak. Honest question, why do you think Wade wasn't Kubiak's 1st choice to be DC in Denver?
Shishkabob
All Pro
both guys have plenty of inexperienced coaches on their staff too, nice try though
Scooter
Funky
Smith was DC in the Superbowl 2 years ago. "Forced on Kubiak" is just your security blanket for being so wrong about everything.
You think Bum talking to McNair didn't get Wade the DC job?
Scooter
Funky
I don't know enough expletives to respond to that.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The "forced on" is just made up. You have no idea Kubiak, who also knew them, wasn't 100% on board.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Hey now, OB groomed a HC that turned around and outcoached him in the Tenn game.
The fact that this is true is why it's so frustrating to be a Texan fan.
What's worse is that they haven't grown any more than OB has …. they are all ineffective. We see the same mistakes over and over.
Way to change the topic.
How did I know the #3 Kubiak nuthugger would post this.
Scooter is the #1 Kubiak nuthugger
Kubiak's own close relative is even as big a nuthugger as Scooter. LOL
It was speculated on at the time, not by me.
You didn't answer my question as for why Wade wasn't Kubiak's 1st DC choice in Denver. Nice avoidance though.
badboy
Hall of Fame
first it tells me we can score with players vs Dallas meaning we should get better. 2nd I have to be aware that the Oline has played together very short time and our starting LT is a third round rookie and I need to give him time to be NFL ready and that he could be long time starter. Third it tells me coaches on both side also can get better. I'm not hopeful for OBrien but RAC should pull it together allowing 24 points to win most games. It tells me other coaches make mistakes as does ours. It doesn't tell me if Coach will stop forcing his offense on Watson. We have a lot of new guys on both sides of ball and some of those are starters.
Whoa... I thought we were talking about the here & now. A Lombardi this season isn't going to happen. Tanking the season won't guarantee one next year either.
It may be unrealistic to think O'b can be (or is) a good NFL coach.
Every year we see teams start 0-4 or 1-3, every now & then we see one of them follow up with a 4 or 5 game win streak.
Big picture, yeah I'd love to see a Championship. But after week 8 I'd be happier with 4-4 than 1-7
But that's just me.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Can't win a Super Bowl without wins.
We're not doing either so it doesn't matter.
We're not doing either so it doesn't matter.
I don't know the answer. I don't know that Wade wasn't Kubiak's first choice.
I thought Wade was DV in LA or something. Maybe LA was after. But didn't Kubiak take a year off & didn't Wade go to another team?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Kubiak spent a year as Baltimore OC, turned around their rushing attack (30th to 8th) and coached Joe Flacco to by far his best season (this season he is doing well so far).
Kubiak was hired January 18, 2015 by the Broncos. Wade was hired January 28th.
OB was hired Jan 2nd, 2014 and Crennel Jan 30th. Was Crennnel OB's 1st choice?
Why wasn't Crennel O'bs first choice? I understand he hadn't had a lot of success as a HC, but he's a well respected DC... always has been far as I know.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'm not saying he wasn't. Steelb was saying, without support, Wade wasn't Kubiak's 1st choice. But Kubiak moved far quicker on Wade than OB did on RC. So I raised the question whether RC was OB's 1st choice. I have no information to say he wasn't, just like steelb has nothing to say Wade wasn't 1st choice.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
How do you know Wade wasn’t Kubiak’s first choice? Please provide link. (I know you actually won’t, so stupid request by me.)
It was reported at the time Vance Joseph was Kubiak's choice for DC and the Bengals wouldn't let Joseph out of his contract, so Kubiak turned to Wade as DC.
You can look it up if you wish.