Then you dont draft him.
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Injury Thread
- Thread starter CloakNNNdagger
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Then you dont draft him.
infantrycak
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You can bet in interviews draft prospects almost all say they'll do what the doctors recommend.
I would cut him then.
@PatDStat: D’Onta Foreman has been placed on the reserve/PUP list. #Texans
@PatDStat: Foreman will miss the first 6 games of the season. #Texans
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Carr Bombed
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We'll never hear from him again.. well at least not like we would've pre-injury. He'll end up not even being a blip on the Texans' history radar.
Sad.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Drafting injury prone players usually results in this. He ran good for a bit though, but I doubt we'll ever see him in the form he could have been in.
CloakNNNdagger
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Jermaine Kelly evidently has been kept for special-teams. The injury that kept him out of most of the preseason was never disclosed. I suspect that it may be an ankle issue. He was placed on IR in Sept 2014 for an ankle fracture and seemed to have intermittent lingering ankle issues since then.
CloakNNNdagger
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As of Aug 29th, he had not cleared the protocol. Since the last PS game has been played, we will not officially hear anything about injuries until the week prior to the Pats game.
badboy
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That's what I thought not cleared as of yet but probably expected to.
CloakNNNdagger
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WRONG THREAD
Maybe people will start to believe our medical expert around here.
CloakNNNdagger
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D'Onta Foreman .@D33_foreman on being placed on PUP: 'At the end of the day, we're looking out for my best interests and the team's best interests. I don't want to go out there and be put out there and I'm not 100 percent and I'm not at my best.'
Ha!, probably only 4 or 5 players that are 100% right now
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CloakNNNdagger
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“A number of NFL coaches don’t take muscle injuries seriously,” says Dr. Marcus Elliott, director of P3 Applied Sports Science and former physiologist and muscle injury specialist to the New England Patriots. It’s Elliott’s belief that this is one of the underlying factors in why the injury continues to plague NFL teams.
The reason for many of those non-contact hamstring injuries may actually lie in the oft-ignored offseason and preseason. Preseason games don’t count but the injuries sustained during that time do—what happens in the preseason definitely doesn’t stay in the preseason. Hamstring problems that occur during training camp—and Elliott’s 10-year analysis of NFL hamstring injuries indicates that over 50% of hamstring injuries are during the preseason—often recur or lead to other injuries [compensatory] during the regular season.
Part of the problem may be that, despite complaints that the NFL preseason is too long, preparation for the season may be inadequate. “Training in professional sports is often on the soft side, since strength and conditioning professionals don’t want athletes to get injured during intensive training,” Elliott says. “But the rigors of football are so high that if training camp doesn’t prepare athletes for high force, high stress movements, then players will be vulnerable to injury.” LINK
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Let's hope it doesn't end up recurrent this season. Over 30% (range in studies 12-63%) of hamstrings recur within a year, the period of high risk...........the highest risk being in the player's 1st 3 weeks back to playing.
In fact, isokinetic deficits have been demonstrated in ~2/3 of players 1 year post injury.........and ~90% still show MRI damage changes at 1 year.
amazing80
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Any update on Fuller?
CloakNNNdagger
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Won't until Wednesday (hasn't practice yet). I have a concern with Fuller beyond the high recurrence rate of hamstrings as I've posted above. Fuller who at the Combine weighed 186, then lost to ~172 because he always had problems gaining/keeping weight on, has gained ~8 pounds since last season. Admittedly this has been mostly upper body. Those 8 pounds may not sound like much, but for a relatively tall, relatively thin WR, those extra uupper body pounds can easily have a significant effect on lower extremities, especially their musclular balance (quads vs hamstrings) both during standstill explosion and running at top speed.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Damn, I hope we (the fans) have reason to be excited about this news.
CloakNNNdagger
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Came across this pic from last year's Patriots game. It caught my eye because it demonstrates Watson taking an extra long stride with leg fully extended with anticipation that when he hits the turf, the heel would be taking most of the weight . This is one classic mechanism encouraging knee hyperextension leading to non-contact ACL injuries.
orrrrr... this could be Watson taking a long stride to avoid #90's attempted tackle. I'd like to see the whole play to know for sure.Came across this pic from last year's Patriots game. It caught my eye because it demonstrates Watson taking an extra long stride with leg fully extended with anticipation that when he hits the turf, the heel would be taking most of the weight . This is one classic mechanism encouraging knee hyperextension leading to non-contact ACL injuries.
To be clear, I don't disagree with your point that this could end badly if he gets caught with his heel planted - no telling which way his leg would bend if that happens.
I'm just saying that I've seen nothing in the replays (YouTube highlight, I admit) that says this one extra long stride is the way Watson runs all the time.
CloakNNNdagger
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Never implied that to be the case. But for whatever reason, and I have reviewed several games including going back to Clemson, when he is being strongly pursued from behind, he does occasionally show this same tendency. The point is that with this leg extension/body positioning relationship, the knee joint is faced with maximal stress load........which as you put, "could end up badly"...........as we've all seen, it just takes one play.
CloakNNNdagger
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KJo has cleared the Concussion Protocol.
Yeah, it's not a good position, for a joint meant to operate in one plane, to take a side load of any magnitude.
....from a physics standpoint.
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CloakNNNdagger
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This doesn't surprise me as his first real practice practice was Wed.........and he was still limited. After a hamstring, you want to be able to go full in practice before "shocking" the hamstring in a real game................same goes with Coutee, Coates and Mercilus. Caution should be the word with all of them.
You may want to review my previous post on hamstrings.........especially the part about proper intense prep to be ready for the intensity of a game.
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CloakNNNdagger
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I know that concussions are all different, but when you've had just one in the "fencer's response" which was the second within a year, 3 weeks is not enough "rehab." The NFL Concussion Protocol is an algorithm........the body seldom follows algorithms more than common sense. That's what's wrong with the principles of recent medicine and medical insurance in general........everything has to be tied up in a nice neat bow. It just doesn't work that way......never has, never will. This third concussion, the third in a year, has again affected his midbrain..........he again assumed the "fencer's response." No on can force him to quit football............and an algorithm may very well tell him he can resume...........but if anyone will try to guide him through common sense instead, he will choose to favor Madden in front of his big screen TV.
CloakNNNdagger
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CloakNNNdagger
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Bill O'Brien said Kayvon Webster, coming off Achilles last year, won't be back this week, but will be part of rotation soon.
The biggest question which I have asked from the beginning.......do we really expect decent production once he's back? And the Texans and the media still have not reported that he also underwent shoulder labrum AND rotator cuff surgery around the same time (Feb 19) that he underwent Achilles repair (Jan).
The biggest question which I have asked from the beginning.......do we really expect decent production once he's back? And the Texans and the media still have not reported that he also underwent shoulder labrum AND rotator cuff surgery around the same time (Feb 19) that he underwent Achilles repair (Jan).
Hopefully he continues following Fido and calls it a career.
CloakNNNdagger
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It surprises me to see how unrealistic the Texans, fans and Watson have been about what to expect from him upon return to the regular season following his ACL surgery. It seems like everyone wants to point to his quick recovery following his first ACL repair. Ask any sports medicine doctor that's been in the game for a while. Coming back to the college game is nothing compared to coming back to the NFL game. You're not going to be able to "get by" with even small residual deficiencies. You're not going to be able to outrun the D. And, you will need to read and react much more quickly than in college, and more often (not always) stay in the pocket and maintain good accuracy while there. Then add to that, teams having tape on tendencies upon return. Discipline and being realistic when coming back from injury in the NFL is much more important than just saying you feel "100 %."
I wasn't worried about his mobility. To me he looked mobile enough and his run was decent. What I was concerned with was his accuracy, his decision making and how hesistant he was to throw the ball. Would you say that also has anything to do with his injury other than being rusty after such a Long time off?
CloakNNNdagger
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All of what I saw could be attributed to his ACL...........rust and teams having film didn't help any. That run was pretty much straight line, not something that would be affected by an ACL at this point. Understand that footwork, balance and accuracy are all related to strong and stable knee joints.
you know you're being right all the damned time can be sickening.
CloakNNNdagger
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Covington who left the game prematurely is dealing with a thigh issue.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Watson played bad because he played bad .. not because of an ACL, not because of Obrien, not because he stayed at a Holiday Inn express .. cant it just be that simple? I wasnt watching a guy who was hurt on the field on Sunday. I was watching a guy who just simply didnt make the right read and ultimately the winning plays. His knee didnt have anything to do with it and anyone who says as much is just looking for smoke.
I agree with this./ DW4 looked exactly like a guy who hasn't played very much NFL football period and very few snaps in the preseason. The game was moving too fast for him, but he improved a bit as the game went on.
To me, the biggest (not only) pure issue for Watson is that he simply has not played enough NFL football to presume that he is going to play well. He was slow to process and trust what he saw because of his general lack of experience as NFL QB more than in single thing.
Now, that said, I am not ignore the "other" factors such as returning from injury, surrounding cast, etc. For me that's the point of a discussion.
Texans placed KJO on IR
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL
Texans placed cornerback Kevin Johnson on injured reserve due to a concussion, he can be designated for return.
5:56 PM - Sep 11, 2018
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL
Texans placed cornerback Kevin Johnson on injured reserve due to a concussion, he can be designated for return.
5:56 PM - Sep 11, 2018
CloakNNNdagger
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Not only was it an MCL, but he also sustained significant meniscus damage.
Is he fully healthy now?
CloakNNNdagger
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Miss Cleo is no longer with us...........but meniscus damage doesn't go away..........it all depends on how much damage. The medial meniscus is firmly directly attached to the deep portion of the medial collateral ligament (This is not the same relationship that the lateral meniscus has with the lateral collateral ligament). So when the medial collateral ligament sustains a significant tear, parts of the medial meniscus usually tears away with it.
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Tweet from @PatDStat: Deshaun Watson said he rolled his ankle late in the game and called a cramp on the last thrown. Said he has been fine the past two days. #Texans
Tweet from @PatDStat: Bill O’Brien was asked if he thought that Kevin Johnson had a chance to make it back this season after suffering a concussion. “Sure, maybe.”
Tweet from @DeepSlant: No update from O'Brien on Christian Covington who left Sunday's game with a thigh injury. #Texans
Tweet from @PatDStat: Bill O’Brien was asked if he thought that Kevin Johnson had a chance to make it back this season after suffering a concussion. “Sure, maybe.”
Tweet from @DeepSlant: No update from O'Brien on Christian Covington who left Sunday's game with a thigh injury. #Texans
CloakNNNdagger
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This explains a lot. It made no real sense that dehydration was the cause if he indeed did have cramps. Ankle sprains commonly result in secondary calf cramping, especially when, like in that last hail Mary play, the calf is exerted to the max. Now it is to be seen if the ankle holds up well the next game. And, whether anyone here wants to accept it or not, the most likely explanation in Watson's particular case for him rolling his own ankle is mechanical lower limb dysfunction......secondary to his previous ACL which is not yet fully rehabilitated.
Shishkabob
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nah you doctors don't know what you are talking about, my 5 minute google search is more than enough to disprove you. *sarcasm