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Dez Bryant Cut

I'm torn on Dez. His production hasn't been good of late and he is a crybaby and he'll likely start whining sooner rather than later about not being the #1 and could cause some locker room issues.

OTOH, there is no doubting his talent and he is a very good RZ threat, and on a team with lots of injury history beyond the #1, it's tempting to get a guy with that level of talent.

It would also take WR off the draft list entirely imo.

I guess I'm for it but I have lots of reservations and it may blow up in their faces. Homerun or bust.

Last I heard, GB was the leader in the clubhouse, but it is intriguing that he is suddenly following a bunch of Texans.
 
steelbtexan said:
Whatever dude, it's not about particular players, it's about philosophy and that comes from the top. Do I think the team will be better, of course it would be hard not to be better. You talk about not needing to make major move to be successful. Look at the final 4 teams last yr and tell me where this line of thinking comes from. BTW, I'm not down on Gaine or BOB because this comes from the top and I cant see how they've changed their model of acquiring players since Gaine took over for Ricky.

Maybe I'm wrong and the scouting dept and pro personnel depts need new blood. But I think this comes directly from the top. I know they aren't serious about bringing a championship to this city. You can agree to disagree but maybe you will change your mind after a couple of more regimes and another decade and a half.

Look at how the Rockets/Astros go about their business and compare and contrast how the Texans go about their business. Crane and Les gave millions to the city after the flood. In addition to that Crane spent another 20 mil to bring in Verlander. The Texans said they would match the amount of $$$$ that season ticketholders gave from the Dallas game and then charged those same flood stricken season ticketholders a 4% increase to make up for the $$$$ lost on the Dallas game.

You tell me what it appears the McNair's are all about. It sure isn't about acquiring the best players possible and putting the best team possible on the field. Brandon Brooks is so glad to have gotten out of Houston while the getting was good and I'm sure there are many others in the lockerroom that feel the same way today.
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I agree about the Astros and Rockets. I think they are both better organizations but both have been around longer as well. Lots of learning.

But really the only option with the Texans is to either suck it up and remain a fan or don’t.

I’m becoming more of a fan of certain players on the team, rather than the franchise itself. But that’s cool...no one can force us to follow the team. The games will still be played and the world will keep on spinning.
 
corytx8 said:
Trust I agree with you but there times we settled for mediocrity at that position. Hoyer and Fitzpatrick. Matty Schaub


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Fitzpatrick had his best outing here in Houston.

Before the injury Hoyer was having a helluva season in Cleveland. After the 0-4 start and the continues circus show by O'Brien, Hoyer started playing some decent football.

Again it's more about coaching. Bill O'Brien didn't know what the heck he wanted to do. Yanking out QB's like he's coaching a college team.

Oh and during those years what top free agent quarterbacks were available during that those years?
 
Texansballer74 said:
Fitzpatrick had his best outing here in Houston.

Before the injury Hoyer was having a helluva season in Cleveland. After the 0-4 start and the continues circus show by O'Brien, Hoyer started playing some decent football.

Again it's more about coaching. Bill O'Brien didn't know what the heck he wanted to do. Yanking out QB's like he's coaching a college team.

Oh and during those years what top free agent quarterbacks were available during that those years?
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I am merely using the QB as one example in the areas I felt this team just settled. So do you really think the Texans put the same kind of effort of improving the team each year just like the Rockets or Astros have?


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corytx8 said:
I am merely using the QB as one example in the areas I felt this team just settled. So do you really think the Texans put the same kind of effort of improving the team each year just like the Rockets or Astros have?


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Do you even know why they couldn't make big splashes like those teams did. Come on I've already explained the major reason why. Not only that its unfair to even compare those franchises to the Texans anyways. Again what big time FA they actually had a shot at? And mean they wanted to come to Houston
 
infantrycak said:
I'm sure the same has been said many times about Pittsburgh & Green Bay as well. The biggest factor in making the philosophy work out is finding QBs.
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And a coach smart enough to make the best use of the pieces he has (or make sure he has the pieces he needs) and not try to make square pegs fit in round holes.
 
paycheck71 said:
I'm not sure how I feel about Dez on the Texans, but if he's here, it means either he or DeAndre will be single covered on every play.
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From what I have read about Dez part of the problem was that he was singled covered in Dallas and still was not as productive as he had been in the past.

From the Texans perspective I would prefer they pass on Dez and draft a good prospect to groom.

If they sign him I will not be upset.

:coffee:
 
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cuppacoffee said:
From what I have read about Dez part of the problem was that he was singled covered in Dallas and still was not as productive as he had been in the past.

From the Texans perspective I would prefer they pass on Dez and draft a good prospect to groom.

If they sign him I will not be upset.

;coffee:
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That's where i'm at on the guy as well. He's obviously talented and would be an upgrade over who we have behind Hopkins/Fuller and much needed insurance for Hopkins. But I wouldn't be upset if we didn't get him. I think Fuller would be the #2 WR between the 20s and Bryant would be a short yardage/redzone WR jump ball specialist. 3-5 targets a game would be his ceiling here.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Do you even know why they couldn't make big splashes like those teams did. Come on I've already explained the major reason why. Not only that its unfair to even compare those franchises to the Texans anyways. Again what big time FA they actually had a shot at? And mean they wanted to come to Houston
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Really? Fitzpatrick had best season, but there wasn't a reason why O'Brien couldn't work with Yates or Keenum the season prior. Fitzpatrick was a journey man.... and Hoyer signings were terrible signings regardless of his performance in Cleveland. He showed signs of folding under pressure. Those signings aren't showing to make improvements to the team. Remember when Andre Johnson was the only lone WR. Kubiak never made honest effort to get AJ help on the receiver end. There was a reason why AJ became disgruntled... Remember giving Texans giving Matt Schaub, Cushing contracts before coming back from injuries? But I am not going to go through a Texans History of moves, I don't have time for that. Again, you are missing my point. My point is that the Texans haven't shown the commitment of making improvements from season to season (I'll give them some credit under Obrien, they have been making moves from season to season).

Of course you can't compare Astros and Rockets because their leagues have different cap rules, but JL and DM both didn't settled. We will agree to disagree.
 
steelbtexan said:
But fans who think signing 3 OL who were backups on their teams is going to move the needle,
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We are all hoping that those backups are better than the numerous backups OBrien trotted out there last year.

As for Dez....I'd probably lean toward NO, but if the money worked, why not? I just don't think he has it in him to NOT be the guy. But him, Hopkins, and Fuller with Watson could be nasty.
 
austins23 said:
We are all hoping that those backups are better than the numerous backups OBrien trotted out there last year.

As for Dez....I'd probably lean toward NO, but if the money worked, why not? I just don't think he has it in him to NOT be the guy. But him, Hopkins, and Fuller with Watson could be nasty.
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They cant be worse.

I would lean toward giving Dez a one yr deal.

Dez isn't what he used to be due to a foot injury, but he still has to be respected. Dez has never been great at separation but is a physical mismatch that needs to be thrown open. A very underrated part of Dez game is he's a very good blocking WR which leads to long runs.

Think Dez could be a very rich mans Kevin Walter and would allow Hopkins to play in the slot more where he's really effective. If they dont sign Dez I wont think twice about it but with all of that cap space Dez would be an upgrade over the B. Miller/Thompson's etc... of the world.
 
NFL Update@MySportsUpdate
Many people try to get clues when a big time player hits the open market. Here's one. The last four people @DezBryant has followed on Instagram are:

- DeShaun Watson
- JJ Watt
- Will Fuller
- DeAndre Hopkins

Hopkins also posted a picture of Dez photo-shopped into a #Texans uni, which Dez Bryant himself later liked and also retweeted on Twitter.

10:13 AM - Apr 15, 2018

I mentioned the Twitter stuff on Friday.
But I'm intrigued by the Instagram thing yesterday.

So a one year deal makes sense for both sides? Do it! We play the Dallas Cowboys twice this year also: Preseason and season. We may not be an NFC East rival, but we're an in-state rival that could steal all the major headlines away from Jerry Jones' kingdom.

Houston would be the ideal landing spot for Dez Bryant. Come here, Dez! We'll treat you right and this team would be loaded with you on board. None of the NFC East teams want you big boy. You would be welcomed and also appreciated with open arms here in Houston!
 
Dez Bryant could do just fine with this team. I've already mentioned my reasons as to why but I did fail to mention that I don't think DB would be a locker room cancer. As he's stated, he lives and breathes football 24/7....I can live with that commitment. I feel like he would enjoy this locker room and the potential relationship he could build with Watson. I also like someone who wants to win.
 
infantrycak said:
Nobody means pre-season when they say play twice. He clearly meant an NFC East.
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I know that (you read too much into that). I'm trying to point out what other teams can he sign with that will make the Dallas Cowboys organization feel worse for letting him go? If none of the NFC East teams are chasing him that is.

I still think the Houston Texans make the best sense for him, personally, and also for this team that is trying to take down a really good Jaguars team. We need all the talent we can get. I'd feel better having another mismatch on the field (an Andre Johnson type body but 29 years old), that will likely see man coverage, especially inside the red zone.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I know that (you read too much into that). I'm trying to point out what other teams can he sign with that will make the Dallas Cowboys organization feel worse for letting him go? If none of the NFC East teams are chasing him that is.

I still think the Houston Texans make the best sense for him, personally, and also for this team that is trying to take down a really good Jaguars team. We need all the talent we can get. I'd feel better having another mismatch on the field (an Andre Johnson type body but 29 years old), that will likely see man coverage, especially inside the red zone.
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You say that from the perspective of being a Texans fan, right ?
It seems to me that his best op would be with NOLA if he wants to remain in this geo region and play ball for a legit contender.
I think he would likley be a malcontent here in Houston and therefor I'm not much interested in seeing his name on our roster and we are a team in rebuilding mode IMO
that needs to develope our younger talent.
 
IDEXAN said:
You say that from the perspective of being a Texans fan, right ?
It seems to me that his best op would be with NOLA if he wants to remain in this geo region and play ball for a legit contender.
I think he would likley be a malcontent here in Houston and therefor I'm not much interested in seeing his name on our roster and we are a team in rebuilding mode IMO
that needs to develope our younger talent.
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I Don't think he'd be a malcontent .... Some guy's just hate losing (I know I do). I think Dez fits that description , not a malcontent , just a fiery personality.


Us fans might think they are in rebuild mode because that OL sucks and they have no running game ..... But the team think's they are contenders (they are as long as Watson's upright).
Develop young players ?! They have zilch at the position behind DHop , Fuller and Ellington ..... Braxton Miller and Sammie Coates aren't developmental types , they are underwhelming veterans.

For the right price , I take a shot on Dez .... You cant double team three guys on the back end. DHop , Fuller , Dez and Ellington are a solid 4 WR's , potentially top of the league talent wise.
 
Somehow I don't think a serious malcontent would last very long with OB, so I wouldn't have a problem with signing Dez for a reasonable one year deal just to check him out. You can always cut him whenever the need (or want) arises.
 
Thorn said:
Somehow I don't think a serious malcontent would last very long with OB, so I wouldn't have a problem with signing Dez for a reasonable one year deal just to check him out. You can always cut him whenever the need (or want) arises.
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I don't get why people call him a malcontent ..... because he argued with someone ? Because the Cowpies cut him , because he wouldn't restructure ?!


None of that says malcontent.
 
Corrosion said:
I don't get why people call him a malcontent ..... because he argued with someone ? Because the Cowpies cut him , because he wouldn't restructure ?!


None of that says malcontent.
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I wouldn't use malcontent, but he is a child who frequently needs another coach or player to play babysitter and take their focus off the game to sooth out Bryants sideline temper tantrums whenever he disagrees with coach or player. Plus he has averaged about 600 yds and 5 tds in the 3 years since he signed his contract. No thanks, give me some young blood.
 
steelbtexan said:
They cant be worse.

I would lean toward giving Dez a one yr deal.

Dez isn't what he used to be due to a foot injury, but he still has to be respected. Dez has never been great at separation but is a physical mismatch that needs to be thrown open. A very underrated part of Dez game is he's a very good blocking WR which leads to long runs.

Think Dez could be a very rich mans Kevin Walter and would allow Hopkins to play in the slot more where he's really effective. If they dont sign Dez I wont think twice about it but with all of that cap space Dez would be an upgrade over the B. Miller/Thompson's etc... of the world.
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Why would you take Hopkins out of the outside game? That would be counterproductive to his real value.
 
John Harris:

When you look at dead cap money Cowboys will have to experience this year & outright cutting him & not offering a pay cut, that should tell you something. To say "See ya!", wow. That tells me everything. I’m sure some people plugged him into Madden over the weekend. I got Will, DeAndre & Dez, that’s awesome, why can’t it happen in real life? There’s a lot of things in real life that will not fly in Madden & vice versa. This is one of them. Dez in the locker room, how he is with the coaching staff, I’m not sure how comfortable I am putting him in that environment. The Texans WRs are not divas crying for the ball. Hopkins is the least diva of them all. He’ll never tell Deshaun to throw me the ball [coming back to the huddle]. Throwing Dez in there who’s saying throw me the ball & is loud about it, that can make people uncomfortable. Not just coaches but players as well. I’d be skittish about bringing him in. He’ll also work with a route coach. For 8 years, what was he doing? It floors me. You have money under the cap. You need to get Clowney extended, probably a B-Mac extension as well & provide for a rainy day if something happens to your key players down the road. They should add a WR in the draft (not in the 3rd round). Deep WR class. Not sure Dez is the right fit on a number of different levels. Not sure I trust him with this team & if he’s not getting the ball early on. Not sure I buy him being a good fit for this squad.

Jags are out:

https://twitter.com/ryanohalloran/status/985936062324277248
 
steelbtexan said:
And he was more productive in the slot. Wouldnt it be nice to have options .
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I remember this same thing but I can't find anything written about it and I'm not about to re-watch games to support it. I just remember noticing it and thinking to myself that he was lining up there quite a bit and seemed to be more open and productive as well.
 
zshawn10 said:
John Harris:

When you look at dead cap money Cowboys will have to experience this year & outright cutting him & not offering a pay cut, that should tell you something. To say "See ya!", wow. That tells me everything. I’m sure some people plugged him into Madden over the weekend. I got Will, DeAndre & Dez, that’s awesome, why can’t it happen in real life? There’s a lot of things in real life that will not fly in Madden & vice versa. This is one of them. Dez in the locker room, how he is with the coaching staff, I’m not sure how comfortable I am putting him in that environment. The Texans WRs are not divas crying for the ball. Hopkins is the least diva of them all. He’ll never tell Deshaun to throw me the ball [coming back to the huddle]. Throwing Dez in there who’s saying throw me the ball & is loud about it, that can make people uncomfortable. Not just coaches but players as well. I’d be skittish about bringing him in. He’ll also work with a route coach. For 8 years, what was he doing? It floors me. You have money under the cap. You need to get Clowney extended, probably a B-Mac extension as well & provide for a rainy day if something happens to your key players down the road. They should add a WR in the draft (not in the 3rd round). Deep WR class. Not sure Dez is the right fit on a number of different levels. Not sure I trust him with this team & if he’s not getting the ball early on. Not sure I buy him being a good fit for this squad.

Jags are out:

https://twitter.com/ryanohalloran/status/985936062324277248
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor.../dez-bryant-dallas-cowboys-pay-cut/985835001/


Dez Bryant on taking a pay cut from Cowboys: 'Hell no'
 
The cool thing that Dez would bring to the table...the versatility of moving Dez, Hopkins or Fuller into the slot to advantage of potentially any defensive formation. Slot could become a feast type of position in this offense.
 
Look at the slot receivers like on the Pats and other teams.......they are the most oft injured. Lots of tough big D usually roaming those parts........
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Look at the slot receivers like on the Pats and other teams.......they are the most oft injured. Lots of tough big D usually roaming those parts........
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Edelman worked the slot for yrs without getting hurt. He eventually blew out a knee and that could happen to any WR. Welker is the only slot that suffered concussion issues. Troy Brown retired and was healthy. Amendola had injury issues before he came to the Pats and BB always kept him on a snap count to keep him healthy for the playoffs.

In addition to signing Dez I would draft another WR. I noticed they looked at Richie James who I really like he's also a dynamic KR/PR guy. He was injured some last yr and if you would look into his injury prognosis it would be greatly appreciated.
 
steelbtexan said:
Edelman worked the slot for yrs without getting hurt. He eventually blew out a knee and that could happen to any WR. Welker is the only slot that suffered concussion issues. Troy Brown retired and was healthy. Amendola had injury issues before he came to the Pats and BB always kept him on a snap count to keep him healthy for the playoffs.

In addition to signing Dez I would draft another WR. I noticed they looked at Richie James who I really like he's also a dynamic KR/PR guy. He was injured some last yr and if you would look into his injury prognosis it would be greatly appreciated.
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You must be misremembering in that Edelman has had significant injuries every year since 2009. He didn't become. Early on, he was lucky as to WHEN these injuries occurred, lessening the number of missed games, but still often affecting his performance.

As fas as Richie James, he fractured his clavicle last year and was treated non-surgically. Traditionally in the past, the vast majority of clavicle fractures were treated non-surgically in NFL players. However, recent high level evidence has suggested superior outcomes with surgery as far as missed games and refracture. Furthermore, he missed three games earlier last year with a grade II ankle ligament tear besides the additional final five with his broken clavicle. He is slight of build at 5'9" 175 pounds for the NFL. He comes from a small school with lesser talent..........Middle Tennessee does not incite excitement.........and he has only completed a little over 2 years of college football.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
You must be misremembering in that Edelman has had significant injuries every year since 2009. He didn't become. Early on, he was lucky as to WHEN these injuries occurred, lessening the number of missed games, but still often affecting his performance.

As fas as Richie James, he fractured his clavicle last year and was treated non-surgically. Traditionally in the past, the vast majority of clavicle fractures were treated non-surgically in NFL players. However, recent high level evidence has suggested superior outcomes with surgery as far as missed games and refracture. Furthermore, he missed three games earlier last year with a grade II ankle ligament tear besides the additional final five with his broken clavicle. He is slight of build at 5'9" 175 pounds for the NFL. He comes from a small school with lesser talent..........Middle Tennessee does not incite excitement.........and he has only completed a little over 2 years of college football.
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I was just remembering playoffs/SB's starred in.

James seems like a perfect Texan. He and Miller can compare MRI's.

Dont be fooled by the school though, this guy can play if he can stay healthy. After reading this post I would probably draft him in the 7th if at all.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Look at the slot receivers like on the Pats and other teams.......they are the most oft injured. Lots of tough big D usually roaming those parts........
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That's why Amendola is a Dolphin. The position doesn't pay/ Kind of like Gronk getting screwed, due to position, by the Pats. I'd be tempted to cast injury concerns aside to sign Gronk.
 
Dez will give us a true shot at going deep in the playoffs and even a good shot at the SB. You pretty much cant go wrong with Hop and Dez.


Opportunity like this does not come very often. For Dez and Us. Why try to sign with a team that see the cowboys twice a year when you can try to get a ring here.
 
The Cowboys are one of the most WR needy teams in the NFL. So, cutting Bryant should tell you everything you need to know.

Plus, like Kaepernick, the talent no longer compensates for the baggage that comes with the player. The dude had to have a friggin babysitter, for Pete's sake.
 
Dez doesn't even know what a good route looks like. He announced over a month ago that he was hiring a route "coach" David Robinson...............when he was catching whiff that the Cowboys were talking about cutting him...............he has yet to do so. He also announced that he will be working hard to become a "professional"..........I'd say to that, about 9 years too late.:toropalm:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Dez doesn't even know what a good route looks like. He announced over a month ago that he was hiring a route "coach" David Robinson...............when he was catching whiff that the Cowboys were talking about cutting him...............he has yet to do so. He also announced that he will be working hard to become a "professional"..........I'd say to that, about 9 years too late.:toropalm:
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For a glass half full perspective...if he was that good running bad routes for 9 years, could we not imagine how good he might be if his route running skills were to improve by say a 25% clip? If the OL isn't really upgraded this season, what the Texans may need is a route breaking specialist like Bryant...it could work in Watson's favor to have a big target who's a natural at breaking his routes.
 
Today, Dez has stated that he wants to play for the Giants. As far as I know, the Giants have not shown interest thus far. I wonder if Dez knows that if that should eve come to be, he would have to probably play for wooden nickels............the Giants only have $5 million cap space.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
For a glass half full perspective...if he was that good running bad routes for 9 years, could we not imagine how good he might be if his route running skills were to improve by say a 25% clip? If the OL isn't really upgraded this season, what the Texans may need is a route breaking specialist like Bryant...it could work in Watson's favor to have a big target who's a natural at breaking his routes.
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You really want Watson, who is still going to be a rookie of sorts, to be exposed to a chronic finger-pointing malcontent?
 
take6 said:
Lets bring Dez Bryant in and use him as a tite end. What do you fans think ?
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That's the only position I see him playing at a high level actually. His speed and athleticism has dropped off a lot. He could be used at #2 TE type spot like Hernandez was in NE or how Kelce is used in KC where he is more like a glorified WR running TE routes. He'd have mainly LB's and slot corners defending him, and TE's don't really run a lot of complex routes in most offenses. He'd have to block from time to time, but he could be used primarily as a passing target. I think he'd serve very well for that kind of role on a number of teams.

I doubt that Dez would ever be open to that and will likely have a very exaggerated belief of what he is still capable of as a wideout though, so it's pretty much a pipe dream. He'd have very little value to the Texans as a wideout.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Today, Dez has stated that he wants to play for the Giants. As far as I know, the Giants have not shown interest thus far. I wonder if Dez knows that if that should eve come to be, he would have to probably play for wooden nickels............the Giants only have $5 million cap space.
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I'm still amazed at all of the fans that seem completely uninformed on Dez that have watched football for years. Dude put up not even 900 yards last season as the #1 WR on a team that desperately needed passing production with one of the best Olines in the league. He was healthy all year. That's terrible, and all his staff and coaches claim he doesn't have the route running abilities which makes him unfeasible for most teams in the league unless he's the #2 WR and being paid like it. Other than that, see my TE post above. I think he could work in that type of role, but only if he was excited for it which likely wouldn't happen in a Million years.
 
Texecutioner said:
I'm still amazed at all of the fans that seem completely uninformed on Dez that have watched football for years. Dude put up not even 900 yards last season as the #1 WR on a team that desperately needed passing production with one of the best Olines in the league. He was healthy all year. That's terrible, and all his staff and coaches claim he doesn't have the route running abilities which makes him unfeasible for most teams in the league unless he's the #2 WR and being paid like it. Other than that, see my TE post above. I think he could work in that type of role, but only if he was excited for it which likely wouldn't happen in a Million years.
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The QB drop in performance had a lot to do with that as well. You have to factor in everything. Dak hit the sophomore wall head on last season.
 
Texansballer74 said:
The QB drop in performance had a lot to do with that as well. You have to factor in everything. Dak hit the sophomore wall head on last season.
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That doesn't have much to do with Dez's poor route running abilities at the wideout position. He doesn't get the separation frequently, and is limited on what he can run. Not exactly a difficult job for a CB who watches film and knows where his sweet spots are. We see WR's put up great numbers all of the time with garbage QB's. See Hopkins entire career. Sure, it can make it harder, but really good WR's find a way to get open and become productive. Dez benefitted from having extreme athleticism and freakish genetics early on in his career where he likely didn't have to work as hard as most guys and now is realizing this. Either way, not even getting 900 yards for a #1 WR literally sucks honestly. I like Dez too. I'm not trying to hate on the guy, but the only real spot I see for him where he could be a great weapon again is at the TE position playing mainly on passing downs. He could be one of the most productive pass catching TE's in the league in my opinion if he were to embrace the change.
 
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