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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Jadeveon Clowney Claus is the best!
You only wish for good things in the life of men like Clowney, Watt, etc.
Jadeveon Clowney completes healthy, impressive season with Texans
INDIANAPOLIS – Before the best season of his NFL career, Texans Pro Bowl outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney always maintained that he had simple goals.
The former top overall pick from South Carolina just wanted to play every game and prove that he could be durable after dealing with injuries each previous season.
The results spoke for themselves as Clowney emerged as an even more disruptive force at the line of scrimmage. He finished the season with a career-high 9 ½ sacks.
"That was one of my goals coming into the season," Clowney said Sunday after recording seven tackles and a half-sack during a season-ending loss to the Indianapolis Colts. "I achieved my goal to play all 16 games for the first time. I feel pretty good after the season. I'll take a couple of weeks off and try to get ready for next season."
Now, Clowney could be in line for a blockbuster contract extension that could make him the highest paid non-quarterback in the NFL.
Clowney said he plans to play in the Pro Bowl after being forced to miss the annual NFL All-Star game last year due to undergoing arthroscopic knee surgery.
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http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/...ney-completes-healthy-impressive-12465184.php
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Every sports group, organization, association has it's MVP, right ?
On this MB my vote for MVP goes to the esteemed CloakNNNDagger, or just C&D, because of his astute opinions on players, opinions & judgements of both a medical and nonmedical nature. And even MVPs aren't perfect,they make mistakes in judgement from time to time but not very often.
I'm curious if C&D is surprised by Mr Clowney and his career at this point in time given the reservations many including as I recall he had earlier about how much success Clowney might have in the NFL after a rather "rough" start to his career ?
INDIANAPOLIS – Before the best season of his NFL career, Texans Pro Bowl outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney always maintained that he had simple goals.
The former top overall pick from South Carolina just wanted to play every game and prove that he could be durable after dealing with injuries each previous season.
The results spoke for themselves as Clowney emerged as an even more disruptive force at the line of scrimmage. He finished the season with a career-high 9 ½ sacks.
"That was one of my goals coming into the season," Clowney said Sunday after recording seven tackles and a half-sack during a season-ending loss to the Indianapolis Colts. "I achieved my goal to play all 16 games for the first time. I feel pretty good after the season. I'll take a couple of weeks off and try to get ready for next season."
Now, Clowney could be in line for a blockbuster contract extension that could make him the highest paid non-quarterback in the NFL.
Clowney said he plans to play in the Pro Bowl after being forced to miss the annual NFL All-Star game last year due to undergoing arthroscopic knee surgery.
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http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/...ney-completes-healthy-impressive-12465184.php
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Every sports group, organization, association has it's MVP, right ?
On this MB my vote for MVP goes to the esteemed CloakNNNDagger, or just C&D, because of his astute opinions on players, opinions & judgements of both a medical and nonmedical nature. And even MVPs aren't perfect,they make mistakes in judgement from time to time but not very often.
I'm curious if C&D is surprised by Mr Clowney and his career at this point in time given the reservations many including as I recall he had earlier about how much success Clowney might have in the NFL after a rather "rough" start to his career ?
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Totally echo the sentiment about CnD, there are a wealth of great posters on this board and the effort he goes to week in week out, year after year to make you or I seemingly have a better insight to player health than Rick Smith does is incredible.
As for Clowney, unfortunately his good performances this year are still pretty much in line with the doc's prognosis. He predicted relative good health for several years after the op before things begin to deteriorate again.
Clowneys knee was rarely off the injury report this season, showing that even though he's managing to play through it, there hasnt been some miraculous recovery.
Dishman
Miss Ya Blue
Clowney having his knee scoped: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-reportedly-will-have-surgery-on-injured-knee
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I wonder if Doc ever gets tired of being right?
You know, I think I might. I'd hope it was a team that was a perennial contender too because I like Clowney a lot more than I expected to and his window will unfortunately be short. I'd trade him for that package in a heartbeat though. Most likely nobody would offer that. The guy gets his knees worked on yearly and with that microfracture in his rearview mirror I'm sure teams with adequate medical advisors know what Doc has pointed out.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I hate to say it but that knee is going to have an expiration date. Clowney was a top 3 most dominant defensive player in the league this year and his talents were wasted on a bad team.
I think the most optimistic projection would be 2 more years with similar production to this year. Add Mercilus back at full strength and assuming JJ can give us above average play our window for success is the next 2 seasons imo. And that’s assuming we strike gold in the draft and FA and DW4 comes back at full speed.
I think the most optimistic projection would be 2 more years with similar production to this year. Add Mercilus back at full strength and assuming JJ can give us above average play our window for success is the next 2 seasons imo. And that’s assuming we strike gold in the draft and FA and DW4 comes back at full speed.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Sounds like a long term contract ia in the making.............I feel, if McNair does not think this over carefully, we could very likely see a Cushing rerun.
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Clowney's having knee surgery this offseason. I would franchise him, I still dont trust that knee. Microfracture surgery has a lifespan.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Agreed. Lucky to be in a window where the cap ramifications aren't insurmountable and he's still healthy enough to contribute at a level to justify the outlay.
I think McNair signs him up long term though this off season, and worry about the latter years of that contract, especially if dead money outweighs cap hit in year 3 for instance, when we need to be looking for cash to pay DW4 the biggest contract in the league (hopefully).
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
If there was an option: First, it appears "Daddy" McNair wants to get him extended. Second, let's say he were to come to his senses and wanted to see what the market may bear for a DE like Clowney. Third, I'd be shopping him to a team with a plethora of picks and cap space to work with...hello Cleveland.
The Browns brought in Greg Williams as DC in 2017, he instituted a 4-3 alignment and upped the defense's game. They also drafted Myles Garrett to start the building process along the trenches. Maybe, the idea of adding a ready to go defensive line veteran might appeal to them. Clowney and Garrett as DE's could make their front pretty special.
Texans would part ways with a young up and comer but gain the cap space in 2019 by not re-signing him to his first "real money" contract after his rookie contract, not to mention the draft picks needed to help improve the prospects of building this team in 2018 and 2019.
Browns Get:
Clowney
RD3-COMP Pick
Texans Get:
RD2-35
RD2-61
2019 RD1
Not only is Rick Smith gone from the scene (atleast for this year), so is his former goto guy in Cleveland former GM Sashi Brown who's been replaced by John Doresy, formerly with the Chiefs and Dorsey is nobodys fool.
Thing is the Texans and their yet to be named GM will have to find new trading partners which may or may not include Cleveland.
I'm one of Clowneys biggest fans on this Board but I'm for trading him if we can get value, meaning a good deal and two 2018 second round picks would probably be a good deal. JD just had a second straight very good year
but with his injury history it's very possible we've already seen the best of him even though he doesn't turn 25 for a couple months now.
It's a tough call if the Texans are approached with a deal. In some way the Clowney situation is comparable to the AJ Bouye of this time last year and in several keys ways it obviously isn't.
Both guys are still young, Clowney is actually two years younger than Bouye but I don' recall any injury concerns with Bouye. Of course Bouye was going to be a FA so no trade ops like with JD him having a year left.
And about these talks we hear saying JD should be the next 100 M $ non QB. Like I said, big Clowney fan here but I don't think he is or will be the same kinda of elite+ talent category like JJ Watt in his prime or Ndamukong Suh in his prime or the current top NFL Dlineman Aaron McDonald. So I sure hope the Texans aren't contemplating that kind of deal for JD.
How the McNairs, HC O'Brien, & the Texans new GM whoever he is decide to handle the Clowney situation should be one of the Houston Texans more interesting subplots this offseason.
zshawn10
All Pro
Mark Berman@MarkBermanFox26
#Texans owner Bob McNair on signing Jadeveon Clowney (@clownejd), who's heading into the final year of his contract, to an extension: "He's a good player. He plays hard. We want him to spend his career with us. So we'll be working on that."
6:46 PM - Jan 3, 2018
#Texans owner Bob McNair on signing Jadeveon Clowney (@clownejd), who's heading into the final year of his contract, to an extension: "He's a good player. He plays hard. We want him to spend his career with us. So we'll be working on that."
6:46 PM - Jan 3, 2018
Hervoyel
BUENO!
No sense sending mixed messages when you know you're on the right track right? Go get em' Bob!
In all seriousness there's no question Clowney could be a terrific TE in the NFL.
badboy
Hall of Fame
be a bit more specific I am listening.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Clowney will be a very rich man soon!
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8375/jadeveon-clowney
New Texans GM Brian Gaine said a contract extension for Jadeveon Clowney is "on the horizon."
"Right now, I'm in an evaluative period in terms of studying the roster and studying the team and learning the players in terms of how they performed," said Gaine at his introductory press conference. "But certainly a player that's valued by the Texans organization, and in time, as we go through that process, we'll arrive to that conclusion." Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle suggests Clowney's next contract could surpass the six-year, $114.1 million deal inked by Von Miller in 2016. That would make Clowney the highest-paid non-quarterback in the NFL. The former first overall pick will earn $13.846 million in the final year of his rookie contract.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8375/jadeveon-clowney
New Texans GM Brian Gaine said a contract extension for Jadeveon Clowney is "on the horizon."
"Right now, I'm in an evaluative period in terms of studying the roster and studying the team and learning the players in terms of how they performed," said Gaine at his introductory press conference. "But certainly a player that's valued by the Texans organization, and in time, as we go through that process, we'll arrive to that conclusion." Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle suggests Clowney's next contract could surpass the six-year, $114.1 million deal inked by Von Miller in 2016. That would make Clowney the highest-paid non-quarterback in the NFL. The former first overall pick will earn $13.846 million in the final year of his rookie contract.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'm happy with Clowney over the last 2 years but what happy horse crap has him as the best non-QB in the league?
I don't mind paying him top dollar, possibly even over market for a short term deal. But his injury history should preclude anything with cap consequences beyond 3 years.
I don't mind paying him top dollar, possibly even over market for a short term deal. But his injury history should preclude anything with cap consequences beyond 3 years.
PapaL
Loose Screw
I think it's more about timing than anything else. He's not the best non-QB in the league but he's probably the best non-QB that's due for a contract this year. I hope our new GM doesn't throw caution to the wind in these negotiations. I like Clowney but not at the expense of our team, cap space, and future.
As I've said before, I would tag Clowney for 2 yrs. I dont trust that knee.
McNair is going to take care of his fellow South Carolina alum. At the risk of screwing up the cap for yrs to come. Jo Jo will be back for the same reason.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Or OB & Gaine do contracts for them based on their play.
Seriously, step away from the tunnel foil.
edo783
Hall of Fame
Injuries are certainly worth some concerns, so I would prefer a shorter term deal in as the 3-4 year range. I doubt he would accept one that short unless we pay fairly well over market and make it fully gaurranteed. Could very likely wind up tagging him. That then might wind up having to be done several times. Could get messy.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Human nature does not tell you that becomes the motivation with all decisions for all alumni. The Texans have drafted 3 other South Carolina players, none of whom got a 2nd contract (2 didn't finish their 1st). Human nature isn't even all people having a bias for their school. Human nature isn't any school fondness will overcome thr human nature for making money & winning.
I agree about the two year tag. Signing him to huge money beyond that is just dumb with his injury history. Ask yourself what would Belichick do. . .certainly not sign him to a six-year, $114.1 million deal that jams this team down the road.
While I don't know about the Gamecock connection (it would not surprise me, but that's just speculation on my part), I do not believe McNair is capable of long term vision for his football team. I'm talking 5-10 years ahead and knowing what kind of team he wants to build. He apparently leaves that to the head coach and maybe or maybe not the GM. So with that in mind, I fully expect some foolish six-year, $114.1 million deal for Clowney that we all know will most likely regret.
It was thought that Mario would be re-signed for ridiculous money also...
With McNair's cancer issues I seriously doubt he's thinking about 5-10 yrs down the road.
Good point. I remember that was a widely-help assumption. So who knows?
Yeah, for sure now, but honestly, when he admitted in a documentary many years ago that he was "football ignorant" about running a pro football team, I kinda' figure he never really had any sort of directional vision other than find a coach he liked and letting them run with it.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Would only use the tag as a last resort. Players hate it. They don't have to participate in much of the offseason. Better to give him a 2, maybe 3, year contract with all the money he would get tagged plus some and good guarantees.
I thought Clowney was a little more impressive in 2016 than he was in 2017 and I'm not necessarily saying he regressed. I dunno maybe it was just a case of Crennel using him better than Vrabel has this past year.
It would seem that Clowney is not gonna crack the double-digit sack ceiling (for a single year), even after completing 4 years in the league so he's just not the best of the best when it comes to current NFL edge rushers. I thought initially we were getting Javon Kearse or Demarcus Ware, but JD isn't that guy.
But he's a damn good football player, a very valuable football player who also seems to be a solid team guy with no known off field problems, but not worthy, or valuable enough of being the next most highly compensated non-QB in he NFL.
It would seem that Clowney is not gonna crack the double-digit sack ceiling (for a single year), even after completing 4 years in the league so he's just not the best of the best when it comes to current NFL edge rushers. I thought initially we were getting Javon Kearse or Demarcus Ware, but JD isn't that guy.
But he's a damn good football player, a very valuable football player who also seems to be a solid team guy with no known off field problems, but not worthy, or valuable enough of being the next most highly compensated non-QB in he NFL.
Somebody said elsewhere the Browns would be a good target to approach for a trade involving Clowney because they have such a large number of high Draft picks
and we have a history with them.
Of course whole new cast of characters in the front office in Cleveland with new GM Dorsey, but if they said we will return your #1 pick from this year (the 4th overall )
for JD, you know we have to do that deal without hesitation.
I don't believe for a second Clowney would fetch that much especially with such a QB-rich Draft coming up in April this year, but it's still fun to do these hypothetical trades. .
and we have a history with them.
Of course whole new cast of characters in the front office in Cleveland with new GM Dorsey, but if they said we will return your #1 pick from this year (the 4th overall )
for JD, you know we have to do that deal without hesitation.
I don't believe for a second Clowney would fetch that much especially with such a QB-rich Draft coming up in April this year, but it's still fun to do these hypothetical trades. .
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Mark Berman@MarkBermanFox26 1h1 hour ago
Agent Bus Cook says Pro Bowl OLB Jadeveon Clowney (@clownejd)would like a long-term extension from the #Texans:"He & I have been talking about it.He would like to get it done. It's real impt to him-So he can focus just on football.With Brian Gaine being there now,it's achievable"
Jadeveon Clowney heading into the final year of his contract would like an extension.Agent Bus Cook:"He's as good as anybody out there,better than most..They would be well-advised to keep him around,sign him to a long-term deal" Owner Bob McNair has said he'd like to do just that
Agent Bus Cook says Pro Bowl OLB Jadeveon Clowney (@clownejd)would like a long-term extension from the #Texans:"He & I have been talking about it.He would like to get it done. It's real impt to him-So he can focus just on football.With Brian Gaine being there now,it's achievable"
Jadeveon Clowney heading into the final year of his contract would like an extension.Agent Bus Cook:"He's as good as anybody out there,better than most..They would be well-advised to keep him around,sign him to a long-term deal" Owner Bob McNair has said he'd like to do just that
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
It's just the nature of a consistently expanding cap, players who are in the ballpark will sign record breaking contracts. There is so much room for manoeuvre with the contracts also that the player with the highest headline figure doesn't necessarily take home the most money.
I totally agree with the 2 year tag suggestion. Eye watering figures for 2 years are nothing compared to long term cap stability, but i can see where the Texans feel they need to sign Clowney up long term.
I even think he deserves it having been through what he has to play the way he has. Just don't think its what's right for the team.
I totally agree with the 2 year tag suggestion. Eye watering figures for 2 years are nothing compared to long term cap stability, but i can see where the Texans feel they need to sign Clowney up long term.
I even think he deserves it having been through what he has to play the way he has. Just don't think its what's right for the team.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
This Clowney situation could be the ultimate toe in the water test versus jumping in head first. I like Clowney but I would have major reservations in regards to giving him an extension that merits his work over the last couple of seasons. His work has been well above average but now comes the time to decide the faith the team might have in him "health wise" over the term of an extension.
The defense has faired pretty well, considering when Clowney was out quite a bit in his first 2 seasons, Watt held down the fort...now, with Watt being out quite a bit over the past two seasons Clowney did a great job of holding down the fort in 2016 but with additional injuries on defense the wheels came off this year. Watts contract is already in the books and both he and Clowney have missed ample time due to injuries over the past 4 seasons. The bigger question, can the Texans afford to carry 2 "often injured" DL on the books financially for the next 4 to 5 years?
I'd test the trade waters by declaring the Texans have to focus on offense and maintain cap space for future concerns. I think the Texans could get some draft pick relief in both 2018 and 2019 if Clowney was seriously available.
The defense has faired pretty well, considering when Clowney was out quite a bit in his first 2 seasons, Watt held down the fort...now, with Watt being out quite a bit over the past two seasons Clowney did a great job of holding down the fort in 2016 but with additional injuries on defense the wheels came off this year. Watts contract is already in the books and both he and Clowney have missed ample time due to injuries over the past 4 seasons. The bigger question, can the Texans afford to carry 2 "often injured" DL on the books financially for the next 4 to 5 years?
I'd test the trade waters by declaring the Texans have to focus on offense and maintain cap space for future concerns. I think the Texans could get some draft pick relief in both 2018 and 2019 if Clowney was seriously available.
I’m puzzled as to why fans think Clowney is an injury risk and should be dealt, but feel he would bring a king’s ransom in a trade. Do the 31 other teams not remember Clowney’s surgerys? Or perform physicals? Why is Clowney not worth re-signing here, but so worth 1st and 2nd round picks for another team?
PapaL
Loose Screw
My thought process on this whole situation - if you can get a king's ransom for JDC, you get it. If we're working on a long term contract, our financial flexibility should be protected. Pay him what he's worth, front load that SOB, and hope for the best health wise. I'd like a contract similar to JJ's where we're at the point that he can be restructured/cut easily if need be.
We're at a good place cap wise. Clowney, BMack (2018), and Meri (2019) are the only big contracts coming up and Clowney is the most expensive of the bunch until Watson's contract is up in 2022. All signs point towards him breaking the bank...but we should have space by then.
We're at a good place cap wise. Clowney, BMack (2018), and Meri (2019) are the only big contracts coming up and Clowney is the most expensive of the bunch until Watson's contract is up in 2022. All signs point towards him breaking the bank...but we should have space by then.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
For some teams, desperate times can lead to foolishly blind decisions. Example: Brock Osweiler and the Texans...giving Cushing the extension, etc. Of course, had the Texans desperation led to the signing of Romo, they probably go a different direction in the pursuit of Watson and then Romo gets stretchered off the field at some point in the season...that would be better known as the "Double Whammy".
Can you give me an example of a team trading a 1st and (2) 2nds for a DE that's on the last year of his contract? Forget the injury stuff.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Closest I can come up with is Chandler Jones from NE to Arizona for a 2nd and Jonathon Cooper. And that's not very close.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Texans would never get a RD1 pick for Clowney. As for determining his value...that sort of depends on the team trading for him. If they feel they can get him an extension or re-signed at the end of the season, then it comes down to what they're willing to pay for his services. Now, if I could get a 2018 RD2 and RD4 as well as 2019 RD2 for Clowney, then that deal is done. This could potentially mean, the Texans would have 2 more solid picks to add to the 2019 NFL Draft which would then look like a RD1 and 3- RD2's. That could be some good picks to work with.
Well you can see why I'm confused, as you had Clowney going to the Browns for a 1st AND (2) 2nds in another post. I'm not suggesting that Clowney doesn't have value. Just that his future contract demands and past injuries will mitigate the trade return to some degree.
Maybe I'm too impressionable but I admit to not knowing squat about players and their medical issues which is why I pay such close attention to what C&D says and he's not been very encouraging about JDs NFL future over the longer-term ever since the microfracture surgery and we are now entering that longer-term of his career.
And even with no concerns of JDs long-term viability due to potential injury or otherwise I don't think he's worthy of being the next highest paid non-QB in the league.
He's very good, but not the best of the best IMO.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
If the Browns were the first team to show interest in Clowney, then my asking price could be predicated on what I think they could afford to lose. If I don't ask for that type of package, then I would never know the value they truly placed on Clowney. I can't think like I'm in the Browns FO, I'd be working for the best return for the Texans. The worst thing that could happen, I ask for a package that I think is fair, they accept, then later...through the grapevine I find out that they were willing to give more.
In all seriousness, the Browns would be hard pressed to find a player (DE/OLB) as good as Clowney -currently- within their first 5 picks. The Browns have picks to work with and definitely have the cap space in their favor. The key, how would they view the pairing of Garrett and Clowney?
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