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Steel B's Texans Mock 1.0
- Thread starter steelbtexan
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Anybody can do a consensus draft, Good GM's go by their own evals. With scouts recommendations. I now understand why RS is good in the 1st rd and hit or miss their after. This thought process is why the Texans roster building is so bad and not likely to get better under RS.
dream_team
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All 3rd rounders have reasons to not pick them. He was drafted exactly where everyone expected him to go. It wasn’t like a Sam Montgomery where just about everyone was scratching their head with that one.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I said nothing about how RS & the Texans go about the draft.
I said the picks have been in the neighborhoods expected. In other words people who knew the medical, social, discipline problems discounted and came to similar values/chances.
I didn't didn't realize Hill was an honor roll student, who played in the band, in addition to being a HS All American football player. I can see why he would have issues with Strongs staff. So he likes to smoke dope, he's a smart kid, just keep him clean during the 3 month testing period.
It's time to bring Hill home.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
When McNair(s) fire (?) Rick, please submit your resume’
I would have zero fear of the unknown, if I thought they would even look at my resume.
The unknown is will McNair be willing to pay off Ricky's newly signed contract.
Well, I think it is known but hopefully I'm wrong. Maybe McNair heard the boos on AJ's day. McNair certainly has made enough $$$$ off of the fanbase to afford to pay Ricky off.
So anyway SteelB who do you see at the top of the class in OTs in the 2018 Draft ? Of course I realize these are prospects we won't have a shot at unless the Texans put together an impressive package of draftpicks/players to move up into the first round ?
Here is a list of the top 10 Tackles from Great Blue North draft report, which has been around practically since Al Gore invented the internet. An average of 9 Tackles have gone in the first 100 picks over the past 5 drafts. I would guess that most of the guys 7-10 would be available to the Texans.
Note that of the JRs listed, only Connor Williams and Brian O'Neill have announced for the draft.
Here is a list of the top 10 Tackles from Great Blue North draft report, which has been around practically since Al Gore invented the internet. An average of 9 Tackles have gone in the first 100 picks over the past 5 drafts. I would guess that most of the guys 7-10 would be available to the Texans.
Note that of the JRs listed, only Connor Williams and Brian O'Neill have announced for the draft.
Among the Tackles drafted over the past 10 years in picks 70-79 (where the Texans should draft in the 3rd) are:
2016 Shon Coleman - Cleveland - RT (pick#76)
2013 Terron Armstead - New Orleans - LT (pick#75)
2012 Donald Stephenson - Kansas City - RT (pick#74)
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Loving me some Brandon Parker/Alex Cappa/Joseph Noteboom.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I'm liking these 5 trench guys:
1. Frank Ragnow (C/OG- Arkansas)
2. Jamarco Jones (OT- Ohio St)
3. Mike Gesicki (TE- Penn St)
4. Bentley Spain (OT- North Carolina) **The other OT at NC**
5. Brendon Mahon (OG- Penn St)
The Texans will be going into the 2018 season with many holes and neglect on the OL and at TE.
I'm beginning to feel that Martin is the only quality (Based on the the Texans quality on OL) starter entering 2018 and he now dealing with a serious ankle injury late in the season...not good. Mancz is going back to C, so it will be interesting to see if he can deliver this go round...if not, he could be re-signed for quality depth or bridging purposes.
Fiedorowicz should probably hang up his cleats and call it a career. The group of Fido, Griffin and Anderson has been a let down. Fido can't stay healthy, Griffin can't block not catch the ball consistently and Anderson can't block nor catch the ball consistently. Is Anderson really playing out of position?
In both cases, the Texans have the cap space to sign Greg Robinson (LT- Detroit) and a veteran TE to short term prove-it type contracts. They would both have the opportunity to resurrect their careers or bridge the gap for the 2018/2019 draftees. I would rather see the Texans shallow-pocket these 2 FA's versus going out and deep-pocketing mediocre FA OT's who are going to cash in on stupid contracts b/c of the weak FA Class.
1. Frank Ragnow (C/OG- Arkansas)
2. Jamarco Jones (OT- Ohio St)
3. Mike Gesicki (TE- Penn St)
4. Bentley Spain (OT- North Carolina) **The other OT at NC**
5. Brendon Mahon (OG- Penn St)
The Texans will be going into the 2018 season with many holes and neglect on the OL and at TE.
I'm beginning to feel that Martin is the only quality (Based on the the Texans quality on OL) starter entering 2018 and he now dealing with a serious ankle injury late in the season...not good. Mancz is going back to C, so it will be interesting to see if he can deliver this go round...if not, he could be re-signed for quality depth or bridging purposes.
Fiedorowicz should probably hang up his cleats and call it a career. The group of Fido, Griffin and Anderson has been a let down. Fido can't stay healthy, Griffin can't block not catch the ball consistently and Anderson can't block nor catch the ball consistently. Is Anderson really playing out of position?
In both cases, the Texans have the cap space to sign Greg Robinson (LT- Detroit) and a veteran TE to short term prove-it type contracts. They would both have the opportunity to resurrect their careers or bridge the gap for the 2018/2019 draftees. I would rather see the Texans shallow-pocket these 2 FA's versus going out and deep-pocketing mediocre FA OT's who are going to cash in on stupid contracts b/c of the weak FA Class.
This is why I think this OL class is so deep if you add in potential starters like Timon Parris/Kolton Miller/Hyatt/Crabtree/the other Ok St. OT etc... Ricky should be able to fortify the OL this offseason.
He needs to start drafting OL that play with a nasty mean streak though.
infantrycak
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...that it makes no sense to trade away 3rd round picks.
Sure it does, it improves the odds of Ricky finding a couple of OL that can play, since he struggles in the 3rd rd pick area.
If we were talking about Newsome/Schnieder I would agree with you, but we're talking about Ricky here.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I think the draft is deep enough in regards to OL that I would hold the picks. I definitely wouldn't trade any picks from the 2019 NFL Draft to move up in this draft...not this draft wouldn't be worth it but to trade a pick or 2 from 2019 would continue the mistake of robbing Peter to pay Paul.
The depth of this upcoming draft could put the Texans in a position to trade back in both the RD3-5 and RD4-5 as long as their targets are still on the board. They could move back 3-4 spots in both rounds and probably pick up additional RD4 and/or RD5 picks along the way. Yeah, I'd prefer to stock up on a couple of picks for this draft and/or 2019. Bottom line, the Texans need a GM who would be savvy enough to make hay, even out of a crap situation like this.
The depth of this upcoming draft could put the Texans in a position to trade back in both the RD3-5 and RD4-5 as long as their targets are still on the board. They could move back 3-4 spots in both rounds and probably pick up additional RD4 and/or RD5 picks along the way. Yeah, I'd prefer to stock up on a couple of picks for this draft and/or 2019. Bottom line, the Texans need a GM who would be savvy enough to make hay, even out of a crap situation like this.
We have different philosophies and I'm not saying yours is wrong. If I can trade up and get a qualty starter this yr by trading a 2019 draft pick I do it. I haven't looked at the 2019 OL draft, but this one is a strong one. It could be that a 2018 2nd rd OL draft pick (Say Brian O'Neal for example) could be better than a 2019 1st rd pick.
I wonder if the Texans org/Ricky looks at at the 2019 draft before thinking about how to approach the 2018 draft? History says he doesn't.
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Currently, the Texans first pick in the 3rd round would fall at #70. I went to some draft sites to find their top rated OT at or after pick #70:
GBN Draft Report - Jamarco Jones - Ohio State
Walter Football - Mitch Hyatt - Clemson
NFL Draft Scout - Jamarco Jones - Ohio State
Drafttek - Orlando Brown - Oklahoma
CBS Sports - Joseph Noteboom - TCU
GBN Draft Report - Jamarco Jones - Ohio State
Walter Football - Mitch Hyatt - Clemson
NFL Draft Scout - Jamarco Jones - Ohio State
Drafttek - Orlando Brown - Oklahoma
CBS Sports - Joseph Noteboom - TCU
No way Brown falls that far. If he does Ricky should sprint to the stage with card in hand.
Out of that group give me Noteboom, he's the most technically sound and understands blocking angles.
I met Holton Hill's Mom and dad at the game today. I told them he was a great athlete/really smart but he needed to to grow up. They said they were working with the kid and after meeting them if Hill is available in the 3rd the Texans should pick him and thank their lucky stars.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I can go Hilton Hill if he's still on the board in RD3...as long as the Texans secure the services of Jamarco Jones (LT) and Frank Ragnow (OC/OG) in RD3 as well. I've been earmarking a DB in RD3.
Another guy I'd really be excited to see the team land...Rashaad Penny / RB-KR-PR / SDSU / 5-11 @ 220 lbs / 2017: 2,200+ Rushing Yards / 10 Career Return TD's (2- PR / 8 KR). Damn, the Texans need another RD4 and RD5 pick if possible.
It would be nice if the team could trade back a few spots in RD3-04 and secure an additional RD4 as well as trading back a few spots in RD4-04 while gaining a RD5 pick. Gaining 2 extra picks could help make a difference in what many will probably be projecting as a lame draft for the Texans.
Another guy I'd really be excited to see the team land...Rashaad Penny / RB-KR-PR / SDSU / 5-11 @ 220 lbs / 2017: 2,200+ Rushing Yards / 10 Career Return TD's (2- PR / 8 KR). Damn, the Texans need another RD4 and RD5 pick if possible.
It would be nice if the team could trade back a few spots in RD3-04 and secure an additional RD4 as well as trading back a few spots in RD4-04 while gaining a RD5 pick. Gaining 2 extra picks could help make a difference in what many will probably be projecting as a lame draft for the Texans.
Do you have a pretty good idea of what picks we will have ?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
At the moment, it looks like:
RD3-04
RD3-21 (Seattle)
RD4-04
RD6-04
RD7-04
COMP Picks
RD3-33 (Bouye) **His contract & play will make this the 1st Comp Pick awarded**
RD6-?? (Simon)
RD6-?? (Demps)
RD7-?? (Aboushi & Jones) **This is projected but not guaranteed**
I would really get behind a trade down in both RD3 and RD4 if, they could keep the drop to 1-4 spots while returning additional picks in RD4 and/or RD5 and their targets are still on the board.
The depth at QB, WR, RB and DB in this draft might create some excitement in both RD3 and RD4 if the right player is still available. If the Texans could finagle a couple of deals and come away with 6 picks in RD's 3-5....it could pay nice dividends down the road.
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Thanks Opto. Actually, we could come very close to having 4 picks in the 3rd round. It won't shake out quite this way, (after bowl games, combine and pro days), but we could acquire a number of promising linemen in the draft .... close to enough to keep Watson from being killed !
badboy
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I want a guard and two OTs + a safety and a corner; problem is I'm in love with Josie Jewell as ILB/Olb. His stats at Iowa are amazing and consistent last 2 seasons. In 11 games 123 tackles, 13.5 TFL with 11 passes broken up, 4.5 sacks, 3 QBs and a forced fumble. He is 6'2" and just finds the passing lanes. I am happy with Mckinney, Cunningham and Cole inside and if Watt is healthy I can see Clowney at OLB with a healthy Mercilus but Cush is prob gone. I think Jewell is perfect but is he needed enough to use high third? Chances are he will be gone but if there wow for me hard not to get him. I am also hoping Braden Smith falls also to third; but then I am greedy.
Braden Smith is on the web benching 515 twice ! I'd take him in a heart beat, followed by Notebloom, Crabtree, and Ragnow .... that is if JJ succeeds in teaching Davenport to build core and upper body strength during the off season !
You do understand who is going to be making those picks? Do you really think a positive result will happen?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
That long and loud flatulence sound you hear...is the air coming out of my balloon. I know, but dang I want to think McNair is going to get fed up with the dung pile that is his GM and finally pull a Brown's owners page and fire RS before a draft as crucial as this one.
So, I should have prefaced my response with....if McNair were to bump RS up the ladder into a new position that has nothing to do with the day to day operations of the Texans (maybe he could be food vendors GM) and secure the services of a savvy new veteran GM to fill the roll of Mentor/President of Football Operations to educate the McNair's (Cal) while blocking their input into this restocking project. Not to mention, the addition of a shiny new GM to mentor, so there is a possibility that a positive spin could be put on this otherwise dooky sandwich of a draft.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Can we stop mentioning the Browns as some paragon of ownership and responsibility?
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Hate to say this but seems Texans (ownership) stays the course. They like themselves too much. Rick will be here long after O’Brian is gone. We all live in our own little dream world thinking Texans will make change and get it right but Year after year we’re let down. Can’t hold coaches medical staff, players or agents accountable for injury’s incured over normal course of paid services.
Three major failings I see since before Rick took charge are, maximizing draft allotments (draft slot leveraging) settling for BPA approach, acquisition of NFL free agents and retention of own free agents to be.
Texans have a nice job of finding and bringing in unsigned, undrafted prospects and developing them. Having said that I would be thrilled with a specific positional emphasis on improving OL to support Watson going forward then finding weapons to develop on the cheap, like New England has done, because you gotta do a better job protecting the franchise. Since Rick traded away two drafts to acquire that franchise player, the next two should focus on surrounding him with protection.
Your mock draft is a good start, headed in the right direction
Three major failings I see since before Rick took charge are, maximizing draft allotments (draft slot leveraging) settling for BPA approach, acquisition of NFL free agents and retention of own free agents to be.
Texans have a nice job of finding and bringing in unsigned, undrafted prospects and developing them. Having said that I would be thrilled with a specific positional emphasis on improving OL to support Watson going forward then finding weapons to develop on the cheap, like New England has done, because you gotta do a better job protecting the franchise. Since Rick traded away two drafts to acquire that franchise player, the next two should focus on surrounding him with protection.
Your mock draft is a good start, headed in the right direction
Hate to say this but seems Texans (ownership) stays the course. They like themselves too much. Rick will be here long after O’Brian is gone. We all live in our own little dream world thinking Texans will make change and get it right but Year after year we’re let down. Can’t hold coaches medical staff, players or agents accountable for injury’s incured over normal course of paid services.
Three major failings I see since before Rick took charge are, maximizing draft allotments (draft slot leveraging) settling for BPA approach, acquisition of NFL free agents and retention of own free agents to be.
Texans have a nice job of finding and bringing in unsigned, undrafted prospects and developing them. Having said that I would be thrilled with a specific positional emphasis on improving OL to support Watson going forward then finding weapons to develop on the cheap, like New England has done, because you gotta do a better job protecting the franchise. Since Rick traded away two drafts to acquire that franchise player, the next two should focus on surrounding him with protection.
Your mock draft is a good start, headed in the right direction
We are in total agreement, (Shocking)
Sad thing is Ricky's so entrenched that Ricky will survive even if McNair dies.
Sunday's game with the Terrible Towels should be an eye opener for the McNair's though. Along with the Andre Ring of Honor day. If Ricky stays I see more fans like myself selling my tickets to opposing teams so I dont lose my PSL $$$$.
Unfortunately the PSL $$$$ looks like a sunk cost.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Those who were season ticket holders when Oilers left town are largely same PSL owners who ponied up when McNair forked over 800 million up bringing back an NFL team (Texans). For that we will be forever grateful no matter how terrible the product or sunken cost is, but hope is eternal. Which is why you and others doing this whole mock thing........... for that I am grateful
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
When I mentioned the Browns it was to bring light to the fact that they once again find themselves drafting very high...RD1-1 this year and with multiple picks early. It appears, the owner just didn't have confidence in his GM to nail the opportunity that this draft potentially presents, so he's going to give the draft to a new GM.
McNair has observed RS's handling of his wonderfully successful organization for 11+ years...enough so, that he extended his contract as GM. Now, with the proper amount of sarcasm out of the way...RS's job as GM would've have gotten him fired in most organizations. With the holes in this present team, from starters to backups and a draft that should have 8 to possibly 9 picks between RD3 and RD7, what should this team do?
How many on this board have the confidence that RS can get some solid answers via the draft and possibly some additional answers via FA? The same goes for O'Brien, can he properly identify the needs of this team and then work with RS during the off-season to get the players that not only plug holes but provide some glimmer of a long-term answers from a talent standpoint?
I'm not feeling as optimistic if the same guys are allowed to run the show in 2018 and 2019 but of course, that's just my opinion.
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badboy
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yeah, the greatest thing I like about Browns is they are much worse than Texans..at least for now.
If the Texans had kept Ricky and the Browns hiring Dorsey I would've bet that the Browns would've passed the Texans up. With a new GM coming in who knows. But Watson has to stay healthy or the Texans are screwed regardless of who the new GM/HC is.
Can't you say that about every franchise? if 'x' isn't healthy we're doomed? Finally the Texans have a QB that can fill that role
dream_team
Hall of Fame
After watching the East-West Shrine game, if I was Gaine I would
1. Sign Norville in FA
2. Trade a 2019 4th that could turn into a 2019 2nd based on snaps played. Glenn currently is owed 3 yrs 23 mil on his contract. He finished the season on IR with foot/ankle issues but it's reported he will be ready for OTA's.
3. Draft Jeff Noteboom in the 3rd. Your new RG
4. Draft Zack Crabtree in the 3rd. Your new RT.
OL LT Glenn, LG Norville, C Martin RG Noteboom RT Crabtree
A young talented OL.
1. Sign Norville in FA
2. Trade a 2019 4th that could turn into a 2019 2nd based on snaps played. Glenn currently is owed 3 yrs 23 mil on his contract. He finished the season on IR with foot/ankle issues but it's reported he will be ready for OTA's.
3. Draft Jeff Noteboom in the 3rd. Your new RG
4. Draft Zack Crabtree in the 3rd. Your new RT.
OL LT Glenn, LG Norville, C Martin RG Noteboom RT Crabtree
A young talented OL.
Why do you keep assigning so much importance to LG when we still don't have a clue about what to do at either OT position in '18 ?
Why do you keep assigning so much importance to LG when we still don't have a clue about what to do at either OT position in '18 ?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The G FA market is better than OT.
I'm putting importance on getting the best players possible. Also since there are no quality FA OT's then the only way to get one is thru trade. Did you even look at my post and how I would try to improve the OL?
It can be done, they just have to spend the $$$$ that they have on the cap.
Yep, I will do another one after the Senior Bowl if y'all want me too.
I'm really looking forward to seeing Noteboom/Crosby in the Sr Bowl. There are going to be talented OL in all shapes and sizes in that game.
I hope he does! I'm counting on him to make that jump. He's gotten a taste of what it will take to be a LT in the NFL with the 2 or 3 starts he had at the end of the season. Now it's up to him to hit the weight room, study the film, and refine his technique to make that jump. I don't expect him to be All Pro next season but just a good solid NFL LT.
I sure hope he does, maybe he'll hit the weight room and really bulk up and improve his strength & stamina. He's already got the natural athleticism and the length to play the position.
I dunno how mean the young man is, if he' got a nasty streak, that's also a big consideration for an NFL O-lineman.
But it's true that in general that NFL experts say that the most dramatic improvement for player occurs between his 1st and second year the league.