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All encompassing Bill O'Brien thread

Texansphan said:
If you can get Reid, sure.
But just jumping off the OB ship for a coach with a similar record makes no sense wouldn't you agree?
Watson likes OB, so why upset that apple cart?
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That will not upset Watson not one freaking bit. Just say it will upset you verse trying to act as if you know how someone you'v probably haven't met before would feel. Haha

Andy Reid is a players coach, so what makes you think he would like him as a coach?

Andy Reid is a very seasoned head coach. Bill O'Brien is still trying to find his way.
Dude has been to Superbowls as a head coach. Bill O'Brien hasn't. Im very confused about them having a similar record.
 
OB has proven that he has a real good ability as an OC. The problem lies with OB the head coach. His inability to manage the clock (even prior to him being OC at the same time) and his poor handling of competition at all positions, but notably the QB position.

I do think Smith is more to blame with this team than anyone, and would be open to seeing OB as HC one more season with a new GM.
 
Reid > BoB for sure

implosion ? perhaps he didn't have that good a team in the 1st place? they were overperforming?

knowing what you know now about your team, the Texans , who do you think would the hoodie or cowher or gruden would pick to coach for the 2017 or 2018 season, (no injuries) Texans or Chiefs?
 
Texansballer74 said:
That will not upset Watson not one freaking bit. Just say it will upset you verse trying to act as if you know how someone you'v probably haven't met before would feel. Haha

Andy Reid is a players coach, so what makes you think he would like him as a coach?

Andy Reid is a very seasoned head coach. Bill O'Brien is still trying to find his way.
Dude has been to Superbowls as a head coach. Bill O'Brien hasn't. Im very confused about them having a similar record.
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I was generalising - not equating OB with Reid.
But you do touch on a good point that I hammer on - being that if OB can have such decent numbers while still "trying to find his way", then could he not be an excellent coach with a few more seasons under his belt?
 
This thread should be interesting come this time next year since I don't see O'Brien or Reid losing their jobs.

I expect O'Brien to get zero credit for wins and all the blame for losses. Apparently that's how it works.
 
Texansphan said:
I was generalising - not equating OB with Reid.
But you do touch on a good point that I hammer on - being that if OB can have such decent numbers while still "trying to find his way", then could he not be an excellent coach with a few more seasons under his belt?
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That's a possibility. I just don't see it happening here for Bill O'Brien. Every year there is something. This reminds me of the Kubiak Era. He had the offense rolling but didn't have a good defense to complement the O. Then Wade comes along and the defense became tremendously better but injuries to the offense and cutting key linemen, low and hehold the offense became the problem.

Both coach were conservative in big time games.

Something is going on with this franchise. Bad karma or something.

Bill O'Brien will become great once he leaves Houston
 
Texansballer74 said:
That's a possibility. I just don't see it happening here for Bill O'Brien. Every year there is something. This reminds me of the Kubiak Era. He had the offense rolling but didn't have a good defense to complement the O. Then Wade comes along and the defense became tremendously better but injuries to the offense and cutting key linemen, low and hehold the offense became the problem.

Both coach were conservative in big time games.

Something is going on with this franchise. Bad karma or something.

Bill O'Brien will become great once he leaves Houston
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Once he leaves Houston, he will kick our asses every time we play him while our new HC gets things to where he likes them.
There's another couple of seasons and there is no guarantee his tenure will escape the injury bug bite.
 
Texansphan said:
Once he leaves Houston, he will kick our asses every time we play him while our new HC gets things to where he likes them.
There's another couple of seasons and there is no guarantee his tenure will escape the injury bug bite.
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The next head coach might come guns blazing too. We will never know until it happens right?

Bill might go somewhere else and pull a Chip Kelly as well.
 
Texansphan said:
Once he leaves Houston, he will kick our asses every time we play him while our new HC gets things to where he likes them.
There's another couple of seasons and there is no guarantee his tenure will escape the injury bug bite.
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That’s if he goes somewhere that has a QB. If that team doesn’t have a QB then expect a few Patriot retreads.

Oh wait that has been tried...

Personally I wouldn’t fire him unless Reid or Harbaugh was available. I don’t know if any other coaches that have had their type of proven success that will be available.

But even with Watson he was calling Lamar Miller up the middle for no gain. Stuff like that puts my confidence in him at low. And I don’t want to wait for him to learn to be a better coach.
 
TexansBull said:
That’s if he goes somewhere that has a QB. If that team doesn’t have a QB then expect a few Patriot retreads.

Oh wait that has been tried...

Personally I wouldn’t fire him unless Reid or Harbaugh was available. I don’t know if any other coaches that have had their type of proven success that will be available.

But even with Watson he was calling Lamar Miller up the middle for no gain. Stuff like that puts my confidence in him at low. And I don’t want to wait for him to learn to be a better coach.
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I think the reason behind that is Nick Martin is by far our best OL and he plays Center. If we try and get cute with sweeps, we'll most likely get a holding call because Giacomini and Jeff Allen are terrible. You can blame Rick for the abysmal OL.
 
bOODRO87 said:
I think the reason behind that is Nick Martin is by far our best OL and he plays Center. If we try and get cute with sweeps, we'll most likely get a holding call because Giacomini and Jeff Allen are terrible. You can blame Rick for the abysmal OL.
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I don’t know who to blame for what, nor does anyone else know 100% except for the McNairs, Rick, and OB.

It’s strange because when Kubiak was here we had a good o-line and hardly any draft day trades. When OB got here we are trading for players in the draft trading draft picks away and the o-line went to crap. Wasted draft picks is something that is in an issue too.

So is Rick a gopher for his HC or did he find some new authority with putting together the roster that he didn’t have with Kubes? I don’t know, there is a lot of speculation, and it’s probably a mixture of some sort.

Either way - if Rick is a gopher than lets pair him with a HC that has had both the GM and HC roles and had success with putting together a talented roster.

I would argue that Reid and Harbaugh fit that definition of a HC.
 
TexansBull said:
That’s if he goes somewhere that has a QB. If that team doesn’t have a QB then expect a few Patriot retreads.

Oh wait that has been tried...

Personally I wouldn’t fire him unless Reid or Harbaugh was available. I don’t know if any other coaches that have had their type of proven success that will be available.

But even with Watson he was calling Lamar Miller up the middle for no gain. Stuff like that puts my confidence in him at low. And I don’t want to wait for him to learn to be a better coach.
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That is going to happen. You have to try and establish a run game if you don't want to be one dimensional and easier to predict and defend and also open up your own offense.
If I am a coach, I am going to be determined to try and establish a run game.
Agree with the rest of the post.
 
Texansballer74 said:
That's a possibility. I just don't see it happening here for Bill O'Brien. Every year there is something. This reminds me of the Kubiak Era. He had the offense rolling but didn't have a good defense to complement the O. Then Wade comes along and the defense became tremendously better but injuries to the offense and cutting key linemen, low and hehold the offense became the problem.

Both coach were conservative in big time games.

Something is going on with this franchise. Bad karma or something.

Bill O'Brien will become great once he leaves Houston
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Bob/Ricky McNair are the bad karma.

Agreed about BOB's being great at his next stop as long as he gets with a good GM that's on the same page as BOB.
 
If O'Brien does deicide to leave, I think the Texans are going to try get Bruce Arians if the Cardinals decide to part ways.
 
bOODRO87 said:
And now we have a shiny, new QB and were averaging 30+ points a game. The best is yet to come, friend.
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If and this is the biggest If of them all

Can he stay healthy, His legs look alot like Bridgewater's and that worries me and should worry Texans fans everywhere.
 
TexansBull said:
That’s if he goes somewhere that has a QB. If that team doesn’t have a QB then expect a few Patriot retreads.

Oh wait that has been tried...

Personally I wouldn’t fire him unless Reid or Harbaugh was available. I don’t know if any other coaches that have had their type of proven success that will be available.

But even with Watson he was calling Lamar Miller up the middle for no gain. Stuff like that puts my confidence in him at low. And I don’t want to wait for him to learn to be a better coach.
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The senseless pounding up the gut is to hit that occasional big play (sometimes it works ) but his timing of it is atrocious
 
JB said:
point is that it's wins you want... you have to have a running game
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And I just don't see anything creative in the running game. Not much, if any, misdirection. Miller needs to get outside, and quick.

Does O'Brien game plan/teach the running game also? I would guess since he is the OC. I've heard other teams have "running game" coordinators. Sure could use one here.

And O'Brien's clock management is abysmal - Captain Obvious
 
austins23 said:
And I just don't see anything creative in the running game. Not much, if any, misdirection. Miller needs to get outside, and quick.

Does O'Brien game plan/teach the running game also? I would guess since he is the OC. I've heard other teams have "running game" coordinators. Sure could use one here.

And O'Brien's clock management is abysmal - Captain Obvious
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It's next to impossible to have a running game with no continuity or talent on the OL. I mean how good do you expect the offense to be when you starting OT's are Allen/Breno with XSF mixed in this bowl of crap. Clark was actually worse at LT than Allen was last game. # Sad
 
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Losing Brandon Brooks and Ben Jones to FA while whiffing on XSF really set us back with the OL. I liked the D'Onta Foreman pick but he'll likely never be the same after tearing his Achilles so that's a scratch. Our best blocking TE has had 3 concussions in a year (I think) so he's probably done. I don't know how you guys expect O'Brien to have a successful running game with this situation. It's just not feasible.

When Watson went down, this season was absolutely over because Savage needs an OL & Running game to have success. There was no "Next man up" story that was going to happen.
 
bOODRO87 said:
Losing Brandon Brooks and Ben Jones to FA while whiffing on XSF really set us back with the OL. I liked the D'Onta Foreman pick but he'll likely never be the same after tearing his Achilles so that's a scratch. Our best blocking TE has had 3 concussions in a year (I think) so he's probably done. I don't know how you guys expect O'Brien to have a successful running game with this situation. It's just not feasible.

When Watson went down, this season was absolutely over because Savage needs an OL & Running game to have success. There was no "Next man up" story that was going to happen.
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Yeah OBrien should have thought of that when he and Rick were building the roster the past 4 years.

He isn't "given" anything, he's choosing.
 
steelbtexan said:
If and this is the biggest If of them all

Can he stay healthy, His legs look alot like Bridgewater's and that worries me and should worry Texans fans everywhere.
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Very true. Watson looks a bit more stout but not by much. I think you could say the same thing for Goff.

That's with every franchise QB though so OL has to be our #1 priority. The Colts fuct that one up big time.
 
TheKDog said:
Yeah OBrien should have thought of that when he and Rick were building the roster the past 4 years.

He isn't "given" anything, he's choosing.
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Sometimes players chase the money so I can't blame Brooks or Jones for taking the best deal. It happens to every team. I was actually excited for XSF when we drafted him because he was a mauler at UCLA. He had a round 1-2 grade by NFL.com. Unfortunately, it just didn't work out and I don't blame that on O'Brien. I put blame on Rick Smith for Brooks. We should have locked him up.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Only one win , therefore pointless stat.
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I can see you're never going to like O'Brien and I felt the same way about Kubiak. However, I think you should give him more than half a season with a QB who would have been the #1 pick by leaps and bounds if the draft was redone.

I'm willing to give O'Brien the benefit of the doubt that he's going to learn from the NE/Seattle games. He was probably worried about putting a pivotal moment in the hands of a rookie QB. He did throw a pick 6 to Sherman, after all. Remember, that Seattle game would have been won if Corey Moore didn't drop an INT that he had in his hands. In the New England game, Brady pulled off the most clutch throws I've seen in a while. I thought we had that game in the bag.

The fact that we're even talking about heart breaking losses against two SB-caliber teams while playing a rookie QB isn't necessarily a bad thing. Maybe if our defense wasn't jekyll and hyde compared to last year, we'd be singing a different tune.
 
Texansballer74 said:
The next head coach might come guns blazing too. We will never know until it happens right?

Bill might go somewhere else and pull a Chip Kelly as well.
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Chip Kelly had zero experience in the NFL when he became a HC for the Eagles. Also, Philly gave him complete control over personnel decisions. Bill O'Brien, on the other hand had experience in the NFL before he became a HC.

I also think you're underestimating the relationship between O'Brien and Watson. Watson was telling O'Brien the things he liked to run and BoB installed those plays into the offense in short order. Not many NFL HC's will do that for a rookie QB. The next HC probably will want to run HIS offense and not give a flip what Watson wants.

Anyway, all the people who dislike O'Brien and want him gone will very likely get what they want. And the Texans will begin full rebuild mode. That's going to fun to watch.{sarcasm}
 
GO CASE!

Case still will not return Coach BO's phone calls. Case is too busy getting ready for the Super Bowl.

Coach BO played a bad DE for Brown U ( The home of the most liberal ivy league U - a bunch of liberal weenies that love to get on their knees any chance they get.

OB should be fired and Rick the dick too. The poor Texan players deserve better than a bunch of kneelers!
 
Dondo said:
GO CASE!

Case still will not return Coach BO's phone calls. Case is too busy getting ready for the Super Bowl.

Coach BO played a bad DE for Brown U ( The home of the most liberal ivy league U - a bunch of liberal weenies that love to get on their knees any chance they get.

OB should be fired and Rick the dick too. The poor Texan players deserve better than a bunch of kneelers!
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When does this guy get banned? He is obviously trolling. Same comment in different thread over the past month.
 
OB should be fired simply for cutting Case Keenum , dude is in the conversation for league MVP .... and we have Savage.
 
austins23 said:
And I just don't see anything creative in the running game. Not much, if any, misdirection. Miller needs to get outside, and quick.

Does O'Brien game plan/teach the running game also? I would guess since he is the OC. I've heard other teams have "running game" coordinators. Sure could use one here.

And O'Brien's clock management is abysmal - Captain Obvious
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I understand the benefits of a good running game. It's a young QB's best friend. It can keep the clock moving, shorten the games and keep your defense fresh. However, I'm so sick of seeing ineffective runs from the shotgun. On any given Friday night, visit any bad high school team running a spread offense and you can see the same mind numbing, boring shotgun runs.

I have so many questions about this team's running game.
  1. Why do we have a FB on the roster?
  2. Why did we give our little used FB a 3 year extension?
  3. If we are going to keep a FB, why don't we use him more?
  4. If the OL is weak, why don't we use the FB to help the running game by using more I or offset I formations?
  5. It seems like Miller sees the holes better from a single, two back and two TE formations, why do we run him so much out of the shotgun?
Whatever scheme this is, we took an explosive RB who averaged 4.6 YPC with the Dolphins and turned him into a RB who averages a FB worthy 3.9 YPC.
 
banned1976 said:
The next HC probably will want to run HIS offense and not give a flip what Watson wants.
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Or not. I can't imagine anybody coming in here and getting a talent like Watson, and making him conform to their system. You won't be a coach very long playing that game. Hell, that's exactly what OB has done since he's been here.

And did the OB offense really change with Watson, or was it the fact that Watson was a superior athlete with the ability to escape the constant onslaught of pressure, thus extending plays and having the ability to make those plays? Same old shit is what it looked like to me with a Houdini like QB making everyone look better.

banned1976 said:
Anyway, all the people who dislike O'Brien and want him gone will very likely get what they want. And the Texans will begin full rebuild mode. That's going to fun to watch.
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Whether OB stays or goes, there needs to be a rebuild anyway. This team has got a LOT of holes. And as long as Rick Smith is in charge of that process, I don't think it's going to matter much who the HC is.
 
On the team message board, I was a major backer of what I thought Keenum could do in the NFL if he had the proper assets around him. When he suffered through the 8 game losing streak, he was already exhibiting many of the qualities that the Vikings are seeing today. His long ball accuracy was among the league leaders but for some reason, Kubiak was hell bent on making him stay within the confines of the pocket. The biggest improvement in his game since he left the Texans, instead of scrambling back 10+ yards, he either moving laterally or forward in the pocket to give himself and the receivers time to make a difference. I also like the reduction in TO's.

The Texans just haven't been good to their young starters b/c the majority of the time they're an incomplete team when these guys are on the field. Just really tough to get a good read on what they're truly capable of even though Watson broke the pattern (7 games) in regards to positive hope...the team record was still 3-4 and it was the defense and poor time management that snatched success from the jaws of victory on a couple of occasions which could have had him enjoying a 5-2 record instead.
 
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bOODRO87 said:
I can see you're never going to like O'Brien and I felt the same way about Kubiak. However, I think you should give him more than half a season with a QB who would have been the #1 pick by leaps and bounds if the draft was redone.
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Imagine what Watson could do with a coach who knows what he's doing.

O'Brien would make a great OC with a HOF QB. We need a HC first, & an OC second.
 
Warm Seat

Houston Texans (4-8)
Bill O’Brien has one year left on his contract, so the Texans will likely sign him to an extension early in the offseason, or he and the team will part ways. O’Brien hasn’t made injuries an excuse this season, but it would have been hard for the Texans to overcome losing quarterback Deshaun Watson, defensive end J.J. Watt, linebacker Whitney Mercilus and running back D’Onta Foreman, regardless of who the head coach was. O’Brien is on the warm seat, but I think general manager Rick Smith and owner Bob McNair will bring O’Brien back. — Sarah Barshop
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banned1976 said:
Chip Kelly had zero experience in the NFL when he became a HC for the Eagles. Also, Philly gave him complete control over personnel decisions. Bill O'Brien, on the other hand had experience in the NFL before he became a HC.

I also think you're underestimating the relationship between O'Brien and Watson. Watson was telling O'Brien the things he liked to run and BoB installed those plays into the offense in short order. Not many NFL HC's will do that for a rookie QB. The next HC probably will want to run HIS offense and not give a flip what Watson wants.

Anyway, all the people who dislike O'Brien and want him gone will very likely get what they want. And the Texans will begin full rebuild mode. That's going to fun to watch.{sarcasm}
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While a new head coach will want to leave his mark on the team the team is hardly in need of a fell blown rebuild for him to do that. Besides it is known by most of us that any new head coach will not have a lot of say in personnel decisions.
 
thunderkyss said:
Imagine what Watson could do with a coach who knows what he's doing.

O'Brien would make a great OC with a HOF QB. We need a HC first, & an OC second.
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I have had my issues with BO'b but this season more than any I feel he has bought himself another season to lead our team.

With a mostly healthy team I am curious as to what this season would have been like. Also there is no way I feel next season will be a mirror of this season if our team is mostly healthy and BO'b is still the head coach. BO'b piqued my interest in what he could do for a whole season calling the offense with our young upstart Qb.

Most of our coaches deserve another shot at coaching our team imo.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
While a new head coach will want to leave his mark on the team the team is hardly in need of a fell blown rebuild for him to do that. Besides it is known by most of us that any new head coach will not have a lot of say in personnel decisions.
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Well, according to some here (not sure how many) Bill O'Brien is responsible for the offensive line problems because it was he who let Brooks and Jones walk away.
 
TexansBull said:
https://www.headcoachranking.com

I would be interested in seeing some opinions if people have time or are interested too.
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Looking at your link, Bill O'Brien is tied for 14th. That seems to be about right, IMO. His lowest grade (6.6) was in clock management. Also right.

I'd like to see one full year with Watson and O'Brien. Of course people will say O'Brien had nothing to do with Watson's success. They are the same people who blame O'Brien for every QB failure leading up to Watson. He either mistreated them, didn't coach them properly and/or he was solely responsible for them being here.

All that said, I was calling for him to be fired earlier this year myself. But that had more to do with clock management than anything else.
 
banned1976 said:
Well, according to some here (not sure how many) Bill O'Brien is responsible for the offensive line problems because it was he who let Brooks and Jones walk away.
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Yeah, apparently everything wrong with the team is his/RS/McNair's fault and everything positive that has happened with this team over the last couple of years he's been here is either not b/c of him or not all that impressive....which is why i can't take alot of what's going on in this thread seriously.

People are operating under the premise that BoB's tenure has been an abject failure & its been past time for him to go & the facts just don't back that up. As i've said, just about every HC in the league would have trouble keeping it together if they lost 2 of their very best defensive players and 2 of their very best offensive players...

most HC's that wind up having sustained success, usually don't take off until they find their qb. Folks on here argue that the play & selection of qbs is all on him & that he should've drafted or acquired his guy in subsequent drafts before....ok cool, Well lets look at the pick of the litter that he realistically had a shot at drafting in his 4 years here.


Blake Bortles
Johnny Manziel
Teddy Bridgewater
Derek Carr
Jimmy Garoppolo
Garrett Grayson
Sean Mannion
Paxton Lynch
Christian Hackenberg
Cody Kessler
and a bunch of other guys not worthy of being mentioned.

So Basically a bunch of trash outside of 3 guys....2 of which haven't really shown much of anything for anyone to know what they really are & another that had an awesome year last year, but took a step back this year. Even still, would anybody right now trade Watson for any of those 3 guys to lead this franchise in the future? I'm guess most wouldn't. We also know that truly great qb's don't hit FA.
 
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thunderkyss said:
Imagine what Watson could do with a coach who knows what he's doing.

O'Brien would make a great OC with a HOF QB. We need a HC first, & an OC second.
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Imagine what a competent defense could do when your offense can put up around 40 points per game.
 
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