All encompassing Rick Smith thread

[Belichick Fan]

Forgive me if someone posted an update. Rumors were that Rick Smith was the one that told Bob not to start Watson. Has that been contradicted yet?

It was from Oct 4th
https://www.google.com/amp/texanswi...aming-deshaun-watson-starting-qb-earlier/amp/

Not the main reason that I want Rick gone but his drafting/scouting department is what has got us in this mess.

I thought this only a rumor, but I am sure others follow this more than I do.

If that hypothesis I just floated is correct is right, Rick's entire job is to take the heat for bad decisions. BOB made a mistake, so they blame it on the FO and move on.

The alternative hypothesis is that BOB is not given full control of the team, in which case we can't ever know who to blame bad FO decisions on. I actually think this alternative hypothesis would be worse. It would be like a Cleveland situation where the FO and HC don't see eye to eye and agree as collaborative partners.

 

[TheKDog]

Next we're gonna hear that Rick is telling O'Brien not to use timeouts

 

[infantrycak]

Forgive me if someone posted an update. Rumors were that Rick Smith was the one that told Bob not to start Watson. Has that been contradicted yet?

Credibility takes a hit when it treats as fact that OB wasn't consulted on Oz since OB said he watched every college and Broncos snap prior to signing.

 

[dream_team]

Forgive me if someone posted an update. Rumors were that Rick Smith was the one that told Bob not to start Watson. Has that been contradicted yet?

It was from Oct 4th
https://www.google.com/amp/texanswi...aming-deshaun-watson-starting-qb-earlier/amp/

Not the main reason that I want Rick gone but his drafting/scouting department is what has got us in this mess.

This was discussed a lot when it was first released.

BOB decides the final 53, who is active for game day, and who starts the games. This has been clarified by BOB numerous times, I don’t understand why there is still confusion here.

Now with that being said, BOB consults Rick on some of his decisions. I’m sure he went to Rick saying something like, “I think Watson is ready, I want him to start opening day.” Rick probably didn’t agree with the idea and gave his reasoning. And let’s be honest, there were a lot of people against Watson starting day one. But after that discussion, it’s STILL BOB’s decision on who starts game one.

 

[Double Barrel]

But even the guys who do this for a living don't get it right. I mean, Elway couldn't wait to get Brock back. Ted Thompson's team isn't all that without Rodgers. Not saying this to defend RS, that's just how it is. It's not as easy as saying let's get competent people in here and everything will be fine.

I don't disagree with you. Most of the guys who do it for a living don't get it right. Which is why there is turnover at these jobs. It's all about accountability. And it seems like Rick Smith is above that type of scrutiny.

Which leads me to believe one of two things (or maybe a mixture of both): he's close to the family and they trust him, and / or, he's not a traditional GM (top down management) but more of an accountant GM that manages salaries, the cap, and like 'cak said, fetches players for the coaching staff.

I sometimes wonder if Rick is more of a figure head and Bill is making more of the decisions. Do we know how much power Rick even has?

Based on various sources over the years and piecing together a composite picture based on accounts from Bob & Cal, Kubiak, Wade, Rick Smith, and O'Brien, they tend to operate more like a corporate boardroom in making decisions, There is no consolidation of power like you see with Belichick or Bill Parcells, but the decision-making process is more reflective of groupthink mentality by the Texans.

Rick is clearly not the traditional NFL GM who only answers to the owner and makes all decisions downstream with regards to HC and coaching staff, scouts, players, etc.

I figure McNair's background is corporate, so this is a style that he prefers after dealing with Charlie Asserly for four seasons. Charlie fancied himself as a traditional GM, and the 2-14 record four seasons into it was the result.

 

[Belichick Fan]

There is no consolidation of power like you see with Belichick or Bill Parcells

Perhaps this is too off topic, but I wanted to get folks' opinion on something. It always seemed to me that having the power consolidated with the HC made the most sense from an organization standpoint. Obviously it requires a HC that is capable of making personnel decisions, performing economic cost-benefit analysis, etc. But having the HC have the final say creates the best incentive structure and chain of responsibility in my opinion.

When the GM is above the HC, there is a tension. The GM might devote resources into some player, and he wants the HC to prove that the sunk cost was a good decision. If the HC is the one in charge, they have incentive to freely admit a mistake and move on. There is no reason to waste playing time on a draft bust or disappointing free agent. Furthermore, when things fail with a HC in charge it is obvious who to blame.

 

[IDEXAN]

Are players getting better under him?

How did Mancz end up on the bench?

We know the Oline play improved dramatically when Watson began to play but now in his absense, well there you have it.
As far as Mancz goes, so you think you know the inside story on Mancz ? Well as you know he's playing behind a guy (Jeff Allen) with a much bigger cap number than he has.

 

[IDEXAN]

Think about when Alex Gibbs was here. Gibbs specified which type of guys he needed for his zone blocking scheme to be successful - mobile guys who could make the first block, get off it, and get to the second level and make another block. He told Smith those were the kind of guys to go get and Smith made it his business to go get them.

THEN, he coached them up. I remember when linemen were interviewed they'd tell the media how hard Gibbs would drill them and how much he would stay in their face until they got it right. During the open practices, back in those days, you could hear Gibbs reading guys the riot act when they missed blocks.

Maybe Devlin does this too but I've not heard, from anywhere, what kind of guys Devlin looks for. Should they be mobile, ZBS guys (like Gibbs brought in) or big road grader guys (like the Cowboys have) or guys who excel at pass-blocking....

I just haven't heard what Devlin looks for. Has anyone?

Well Gibbs was the godfather of the ZBS, actually kind a living legend when he was coaching so no way the Texans current line coach can compare to Gibbs when he was activly coaching.
Gibbs even put his guys on diets, trimmed them down so they could move better. The league has perhaps dampened the appetite for an emphasis on zone blocking with their modifications of the rules for executing that technique.
Judging from the size, girth, etc of the Texans olinemen I don't see too many who resemble the ZB types of the Gibbs days.

 

[infantrycak]

We know the Oline play improved dramatically when Watson began to play but now in his absense, well there you have it.

No, Watson masks bad OL play.

As far as Mancz goes, so you think you know the inside story on Mancz ? Well as you know he's playing behind a guy (Jeff Allen) with a much bigger cap number than he has.

He was our 2nd best OL by a mile last year and can't crack this crappy lineup? No insider knowledge needed.

I don't buy the salary fan argument one bit. That may play for really high draft picks and superstar FA signings, not Joe Schmoe the yeoman.

 

[thunderkyss]

Next we're gonna hear that Rick is telling O'Brien not to use timeouts

Someone needs to.

 

[Double Barrel]

Someone needs to.

“I don't want to hear any BS about clock management this week.” - Bill O'Brien

 

[infantrycak]

Who wanted Manziel?

This week on Maui.

 

[Belichick Fan]

Someone needs to.

“I don't want to hear any BS about clock management this week.” - Bill O'Brien

When I first came to texanstalk I was very pro-O'Brien. After watching more this season and reading some dissenting opinions I have come around quite a bit. I still think O'Brien is using the best offensive scheme in football (spread EP)*, but I can see some of the game management mistakes. His play calling & game planning conservatism made sense when your defense was excellent and your offense sucked. Yet as that began to flip he needed to trust Watson to win him games. I also have questions about his temperament.

That said, I think it would be a mistake to fire O'Brien at the end of the year, even if you go winless from this point:

First, there are just not that many good head coaches in the league. As I watch games around the NFL I see game management mistakes that everywhere. At times it seems like a above-average player of the Madden video game could do better with clock management. Jason Garrett blew his game vs. Rodgers, and calling timeouts and game management are his primary roles. O'Brien does that and runs the offense.

Second, O'Brien successfully created a hybrid between his offensive scheme and Clemson-like RPO / zone-read system. Watson has found success in the system. Having Watson learn a new offense in year two could stunt his development. The new coach might not utilize his skill as well. Watson had an offensive explosion week 3 & on, and changing coaches might put it in jeopardy.

Third, O'Brien had three above-average seasons before this year. It appears very likely that the Texans would win the division again if the team did not lose so many key players. Even if you think O'Brien is at fault, it might not send a good message about management to fire him at this point. There is likely to be many coaching openings. While Watson might attract top tier coaching prospects, a mess divorce with O'Brien might scare them away.

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*(I think there is a strong debate that Kyle Shanahan's scheme might be better. I would love to have this discussion generally, but I think this is a bit tangential for a GM/HC firing discussion)

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

We know the Oline play improved dramatically when Watson began to play but now in his absense, well there you have it.
As far as Mancz goes, so you think you know the inside story on Mancz ? Well as you know he's playing behind a guy (Jeff Allen) with a much bigger cap number than he has.

Mancz was dealing with a knee issue going into the beginning of the season, but it didn't culminate until before the Titans game after which he missed 3 games (plus the Bye)........tried to come back for the Seattle game and was unable again to play last week. He had major meniscus surgery after being placed on IR after Week 3 in 2015 and continued to have issues into 2016. And now it seems that he may be dealing with a progressive problem. Only time will tell.

 

[TexansSeminole]

No, Watson masks bad OL play.



He was our 2nd best OL by a mile last year and can't crack this crappy lineup? No insider knowledge needed.

I don't buy the salary fan argument one bit. That may play for really high draft picks and superstar FA signings, not Joe Schmoe the yeoman.

If not a cap issue, what? Incompetence by Devlin? It’s hard to believe. Possible, sure, but the cap argument is much easier to believe.

 

[infantrycak]

If not a cap issue, what? Incompetence by Devlin? It’s hard to believe. Possible, sure, but the cap argument is much easier to believe.

Well CnD has a potential injury explanation.

But is incompetence by OB/Devlin in starter selection so hard to believe? We've yanked starting QBs in the 1st game twice.

As a general matter, as I said I think the cap argument is virtually wall fan yapping. HC is not going to put his career or his QB in jeopardy for no cap savings just to play the more expensive guy. How does having the FA play like crap look any better than benching him?

 

[TexansSeminole]

Well CnD has a potential injury explanation.

But is incompetence by OB/Devlin in starter selection so hard to believe? We've yanked starting QBs in the 1st game twice.

But Mancz actually played well, whereas the starting QBs weren't. It's difficult for me to believe that a coach goes from a guy who is clearly playing well to a guy that is clearly playing poorly all because he can't see it. Obviously, possible.

 

[thunderkyss]

That said, I think it would be a mistake to fire O'Brien at the end of the year, even if you go winless from this point:

I'm still hyper critical of O'Brien. I was warming to him before Sunday though. He & DW4 definitely have some chemistry. That reason alone is why I'd be against firing him. HC/QB synergy is a beautiful rare thing.

But I wouldn't beg him to stay.


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[Belichick Fan]

I'm still hyper critical of O'Brien. I was warming to him before Sunday though. He & DW4 definitely have some chemistry. That reason alone is why I'd be against firing him. HC/QB synergy is a beautiful rare thing.

But I wouldn't beg him to stay.


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I still think you should also consider that point about how almost all NFL coaches and FOs are disappointing. I consider Pete Carrol to be one of the good coaches, but he totally botched his last game vs. the Redskins.

Check out this ~ 3 minute audio review of the Seahawks game. Start listening at 7:12

 

[IDEXAN]

“I don't want to hear any BS about clock management this week.” - Bill O'Brien

O'Brien has got to get a part in sombodies flic playing a coach, Army or Marine drill instructor/sergeant, whatever, he's so perfect for that part.

 

[JB]

“I don't want to hear any BS about clock management this week.” - Bill O'Brien

sig worthy quote right there!

 

[OptimisticTexan]

sig worthy quote right there!

Man, if he doesn't want to hear this topic....then he needs to do his very best to quit making it a topic of discussion. It's pretty much, that simple.

 

[PapaL]

Who wanted Manziel?

This week on Maui.

He really does remind me of Brick (Atticus Shaffer) from The Middle.

 

[IDEXAN]

Mancz was dealing with a knee issue going into the beginning of the season, but it didn't culminate until before the Titans game after which he missed 3 games (plus the Bye)........tried to come back for the Seattle game and was unable again to play last week. He had major meniscus surgery after being placed on IR after Week 3 in 2015 and continued to have issues into 2016. And now it seems that he may be dealing with a progressive problem. Only time will tell.

That nails it, folks usually do play less and/or are benched if they sustain an injury.
CnD do you think Devlin is average, better than average, or sub-par as an NFL OLine coach ? I honestly don't know ?

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Devlin was the Jets' TE coach from 2006 through 2012. He was then assigned to offensive line coach in 2013.

In 2012, the Jets OL ranked 3rd in the NFL. In 2013, his 1st year as OL coach, they ranked 26th. In his final year 2014 with the Jets, the OL improved significantly to 13th. He became available when the Jets fired head coach Rex Ryan at the end of the 2014 season and was considered one of the better OL coaches in the league. And that's why he was picked up by the Texans. It should be noted that Devlin, himself was an NFL offensive lineman for seven seasons.

Unlike some others, I feel that Devlin is a more than adequate OL coach that has been limited with inadequate talent and injuries.

 

[ObsiWan]

That nails it, folks usually do play less and/or are benched if they sustain an injury.
CnD do you think Devlin is average, better than average, or sub-par as an NFL OLine coach ? I honestly don't know ?

I think the question should be "What O-line philosophy is Devlin (and by extension, O'Brien) trying to install??

Are they building a road grader line? O'Brien does like to run the ball.

Are they building a line that excels at pass blocking?

Are they building something else?

And, most importantly, have they identified the types of players it takes to make whatever philosophy it is work to the scouting team and Rick Smith?

I can't tell.

 

[Double Barrel]

Who wanted Manziel?

This week on Maui.

So, when people say "he's in football shape", can they possibly also mean that he's shaped like a football?

sig worthy quote right there!

Awesome, man! You know me, I like to collect sig-worthy quotes, too. I've reached my maximum allowed at this point, tho'. . .

 

[Belichick Fan]

Well it's better than being shaped like a rolled up 20, or a bag of white powder.

 

[IDEXAN]

Unlike some others, I feel that Devlin is a more than adequate OL coach that has been limited with inadequate talent and injuries.

I'll take it !

 

[IDEXAN]

I think the question should be "What O-line philosophy is Devlin (and by extension, O'Brien) trying to install??

Wouldn't it be the other way around, i.e., O'Brien provides the O-Line philosophy while Devlin, by extention would be trying to install

Are they building a road grader line? O'Brien does like to run the ball.

Are they building a line that excels at pass blocking?

Whether they empasize a power or zone blocking scheme, still got to pass block assuming you throw the ball some.

 

[infantrycak]

I'll take it !

Why? Can you name something he has done well? They have done well?

Rushing ypc non-QBs
2013 4.2
OB arrives
2014 3.9
Devlin arrives
2015 3.7
Miller arrives
2016 4.0
2017 3.8

 

[IDEXAN]

Why? Can you name something he has done well? They have done well?

Rushing ypc non-QBs
2013 4.2
OB arrives
2014 3.9
Devlin arrives
2015 3.7
Miller arrives
2016 4.0
2017 3.8

"I'll take it"
That meant I was taking Doc's evaluation of Devlin - which was that Devlin was more than adequate while being limited with inadequate talent and injuries.

 

[ObsiWan]

Wouldn't it be the other way around, i.e., O'Brien provides the O-Line philosophy while Devlin, by extention would be trying to install

Fair enough.
So what is O'Brien asking Devlin to install? And is he doing it well?

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Fiedorowicz is out with another concussion.........with retirement the smart move...............speaking of smart move, my hat's off to our brain trust Smith who on August 31 signed Fiedorowicz to a 3 three-year, $21.5 million contract extension that included a $10 million guarantee.............while he was in the NFL Concussion Protocol.

 

[amazing80]

Smith needs to go. I would rather get rid of Smith and let OB play out his final year, decide then if he is worthy of an extension. Can't make a gourmet meal without quality ingredients.

 

[gwallaia]

The Giants just fired their GM, what can't the Texans?

 

[Hervoyel]

They should rename this thread and the "Get your Fire OB Soap Here" threads into just "FIRE BILL O'BRIEN" and "FIRE RICK SMITH".

Then pin them together at the top of the page.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

The Giants just fired their GM, what can't the Texans?

It would make Christmas morning akward at the McNair home .

 

[amazing80]

In the span of 2 offseasons he is responsible for the worst free agent signing in NFL history in Osweiler, turned a top 3 secondary into a bottom 3 by letting 1/2 of it go and not replacing it, failed to upgrade a single position on one of the worst offensive lines from the previous season, participated in one of the most detrimental holdouts in history with Duane Brown, and will have us likely be the first team in NFL history to finish with a bottom 5-10 record yet have no 1st or 2nd round picks. There are GMs with Super Bowl rings and strings of playoff success fired for FAR less, yet this is a GM who has presided over nothing more beating two of the only teams with fewer playoff wins than we do this century, to go with a losing record over a dozen years in charge.

That is from another poster on a different site. Sums up Rick Smith nicely. The guy is a bum and doesn't deserve to be GM anymore

 

[banned1976]

In the span of 2 offseasons he is responsible for the worst free agent signing in NFL history in Osweiler, turned a top 3 secondary into a bottom 3 by letting 1/2 of it go and not replacing it, failed to upgrade a single position on one of the worst offensive lines from the previous season, participated in one of the most detrimental holdouts in history with Duane Brown, and will have us likely be the first team in NFL history to finish with a bottom 5-10 record yet have no 1st or 2nd round picks. There are GMs with Super Bowl rings and strings of playoff success fired for FAR less, yet this is a GM who has presided over nothing more beating two of the only teams with fewer playoff wins than we do this century, to go with a losing record over a dozen years in charge.

That is from another poster on a different site. Sums up Rick Smith nicely. The guy is a bum and doesn't deserve to be GM anymore

Also, he sold a high 2nd round pick to get rid of the QB he signed the year before. And he'll be the guy firing O'Brien after the season finishes up; that's my guess now.

 

[texanhead08]

We know Ricky McNair will not be fired. If I was laying odds on who would be the first to go it would be Bob McNair will be six feet under before Ricky McNair gets fired.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

NYG owner Mara seems to get it..."his" team is failing to live up to expectations so he has a decision to make:
1. Fire McAdoo for failing to deliver the program he promised to be able to do during the interview process. Then making a bone-headed decision to sit a 2-time SB MVP QB in favor of Geno Smith!
2. Fire Reese for failing to deliver the personnel needed. Not realizing the existing problems or executing a plan to correct the short-comings at OL and RB. Did not step-in and stop the benching of Eli Manning.

Mara being the smart owner decided the two were tied at the hip and sent them both (Reese- 10 Yrs and McAdoo- 1 Yr) packing.

Hey McNair!!! This is the actions of a real NFL GM when his personnel has led "his" team into the dumpster...much in the same manner RS and O'Brien have done for you.

Oh, before I forget, an analyst for ESPN wrote an article in regards to the Giants situation and what their next move(s) should be....
1. Included the idea of Polian being hired like a czar to execute the hiring of the next GM and HC. They didn't think his age would be a factor since Coughlin has done a great job for the Jaguars at the ripe old age of 71. Polian is 75 and still working as an analyst for ESPN. Czar - Mentor...mox-nix, identify him as you wish but I'd ask him if he has a 2 year stint left him to right this Texans ship.

2. Included Eliot Wolf's name as a possible target for GM amongst several others. GB will not release him easily but they don't have an immediate need for a GM at the moment. I would like to think that if a team was serious on giving him a chance to steward a franchise, they would see it as a good move and let him explore the opportunity. I think Wolf would be an awesome hire.

3. Crazy thought....could Lane Kiffin bring his playbook to the NFL and exploit the capabilities of Watson? If this team gets younger over the next couple of seasons, his approach to coaching might be a good thing. Could be interesting to bring a young GM and coach together at the right time while they're under the tutelage of an NFL HOF GM. His offensive or a closely modified scheme is what I'm looking at...could it work with NFL players executing it? Like I said..just a thought, since it could be tough to find the right coach based on the amount of new positions that might be available at the college and pro levels.

 

[adama51]

NYG owner Mara seems to get it..."his" team is failing to live up to expectations so he has a decision to make:
1. Fire McAdoo for failing to deliver the program he promised to be able to do during the interview process. Then making a bone-headed decision to sit a 2-time SB MVP QB in favor of Geno Smith!
2. Fire Reese for failing to deliver the personnel needed. Not realizing the existing problems or executing a plan to correct the short-comings at OL and RB. Did not step-in and stop the benching of Eli Manning.

Mara being the smart owner decided the two were tied at the hip and sent them both (Reese- 10 Yrs and McAdoo- 1 Yr) packing.

Hey McNair!!! This is the actions of a real NFL GM when his personnel has led "his" into the dumpster...much in the same manner RS and O'Brien have done for you.

Oh, before I forget, an analyst for ESPN wrote an article in regards to the Giants situation and what their next move(s) should be....
1. Included the idea of Polian being hired like a czar to execute the hiring of the next GM and HC. They didn't think his age would be a factor since Coughlin has done a great job for the Jaguars at the ripe old age of 71. Polian is 75 and still working as an analyst for ESPN. Czar - Mentor...mox-nix, identify him as you wish but I'd ask him if he has a 2 year stint left him to right this Texans ship.

2. Included Eliot Wolf's name as a possible target for GM amongst several others. GB will not release him easily but they don't have an immediate need for a GM at the moment. I would like to think that if a team was serious on giving him a chance to steward a franchise, they would see it as a good move and let him explore the opportunity. I think Wolf would be an awesome hire.

3. Crazy thought....could Lane Kiffin bring his playbook to the NFL and exploit the capabilities of Watson? If this team gets younger over the next couple of seasons, his approach to coaching might be a good thing. Could be interesting to bring a young GM and coach together at the right time while they're under the tutelage of an NFL HOF GM. His offensive or a closely modified scheme is what I'm looking at...could it work with NFL players executing it? Like I said..just a thought, since it could be tough to find the right coach based on the amount of new positions that might be available at the college and pro levels.

On Lane Kiffin, ive been following him since he got to Bama and left for FAU. You don't want that guy as a HC just yet, He is still working on his maturity issues but OC with Watson I totally agree though. He has called some head scratchers while with us but he did a great job scheming guys open and getting the most out of a relatively average Oline for Bama standards. pair him with a HC similar to Saban who can reel him in if he gets too wild and he can create magic on O

 

[TexansSeminole]

I don’t even want Kiffin to coach Florida State, I definitely don’t want him coaching the Texans.

 

[TexansBull]

Mara being the smart owner decided the two were tied at the hip and sent them both (Reese- 10 Yrs and McAdoo- 1 Yr) packing.

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Mara is one of the dumbest owners. Owners like him make me appreciate McNair more. He was aware of of the Manning benching too and can be attributed to being the one who brought up the topic. Ask any Giants fan how they feel about Mara.

“But Mara said he mentioned to general manager Jerry Reese a week or two ago that it might be time to look at other quarterbacks with the Giants' 2-9 season having spiraled out of control. Mara was under the impression that Reese and coach Ben McAdoo had already talked about the possibility of removing Manning as the starting quarterback.”


https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews....voices-regrets-handling-eli/story?id=51486894

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Mara is one of the dumbest owners. Owners like him make me appreciate McNair more. He was aware of of the Manning benching too and can be attributed to being the one who brought up the topic. Ask any Giants fan how they feel about Mara.

“But Mara said he mentioned to general manager Jerry Reese a week or two ago that it might be time to look at other quarterbacks with the Giants' 2-9 season having spiraled out of control. Mara was under the impression that Reese and coach Ben McAdoo had already talked about the possibility of removing Manning as the starting quarterback.”


https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/giants-owner-john-mara-voices-regrets-handling-eli/story?id=51486894

Was the idea to bench Manning during the season? If so, they should've gone with Webb to see what he brings to the table in order to set the table for the #2 pick in the draft. If Davis Webb looks promising, the Giants would have no problem finding a team willing to trade up b/c of this QB class.

Mara can't be that dumb...he's the proud owner of a team that won 2 NFC Championships and 2 Super Bowls while knocking off the Patriots 2x. I'd take that resume over the current owners resume here in Houston.

 

[TexansBull]

Was the idea to bench Manning during the season? If so, they should've gone with Webb to see what he brings to the table in order to set the table for the #2 pick in the draft. If Davis Webb looks promising, the Giants would have no problem finding a team willing to trade up b/c of this QB class.

Mara can't be that dumb...he's the proud owner of a team that won 2 NFC Championships and 2 Super Bowls while knocking off the Patriots 2x. I'd take that resume over the current owners resume here in Houston.

Sounds like you would take Jim Irsay and Jerry Jones too.

Are owners that have won Superbowls really that great compared to what is here in Houston? Who would you take?

Mara
Irsay
Jones
Glazers

 

[TexansBull]

Was the idea to bench Manning during the season? If so, they should've gone with Webb to see what he brings to the table in order to set the table for the #2 pick in the draft. If Davis Webb looks promising, the Giants would have no problem finding a team willing to trade up b/c of this QB class.

Mara can't be that dumb...he's the proud owner of a team that won 2 NFC Championships and 2 Super Bowls while knocking off the Patriots 2x. I'd take that resume over the current owners resume here in Houston.

And on a second point - Why would you let a HC bench your two time Super Bowl winning QB who is setting records for starting consecutive games when that head coach had lost the team? McAdoo was a lame duck coach that was going to be fired regardless of the season. He had to call all the players one by one to talk to them. And the owner signed off on the decision. That’s how dumb Mara is.

And this isn’t aimed at you specifically OT - people around here argued for Kaep to win one or more games because winning matters - why would you bench a healthy multiple Super Bowl winning QB for Geno Smith? Or a rookie that that was drafted in the third round? The odds are you aren’t going to win any more games by benching him.

A QB that is the only QB to beat Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. A QB btw when he found out he was benched was in the cafeteria mentoring Webb on his time.

https://twitter.com/davediehl66/status/935857471696105472

Dumber decision than when Buffalo wanted to see what they had in Peterman and benched Tyrod Taylor.

End rant.

 

[dream_team]

Mara can't be that dumb...he's the proud owner of a team that won 2 NFC Championships and 2 Super Bowls while knocking off the Patriots 2x. I'd take that resume over the current owners resume here in Houston.

So you must have even a higher standard for GMs, because Reese had those same qualifications.

 

[steelbtexan]

Giants = Texans

Dont fix the OL and suffer the consequences.